December 22, 20159 yr ^I don't have a problem with #1, but as a frequent user of the W28th street ramps they need to be improved if this is to be the permanent solution. -The off ramp should be widened (at least near W28th st) to allow for two lanes to alleviate congestion on the bridge at the exit ramp. -They should study the installation of a traffic light to improve traffic flow and protect pedestrians. -If they do not install a traffic light they should improve the pedestrian paths on the west side of W28th and FORCE pedestrians to use it. It's can be dangerous for pedestrians to cross on the east side of W28th, but there isn't really anything discouraging them from doing so.
December 22, 20159 yr ^I don't know if there's room to widen the off ramp at 28th given the tight fit between the travel lanes, unless ODOT gets its way and eliminates the on-ramp. However, another option would be to retain (and widen) the exit ramp there but eliminate the on-ramp, which is a bit of a compromise. Either way, sounds like pedestrian improvements are needed and would be relatively cheap compared to the roadway reconfigurations. EDITED: I forgot that ODOT is already proposing the thing I crossed out. So the feared increase in truck traffic on Detroit Ave. is based just on the trucks looking to enter the Shoreway. I should have re-read Litt's piece this morning.
December 22, 20159 yr The Port is one the things that is truly doing well in this area, are you saying you want to uproot and disrupt it? Nope. Not unless someone shows up with $1 billion to build that port island idea. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 22, 20159 yr BTW, even though there are signs that say "35 MPH" since they've taken down the barrels I'd say the average speed is back to 50. From personal experience, if you try going 40 you'll get passed by everyone, as well as receive a few rude gestures. So absent an enforcement crackdown, the option of keeping it 35 across the bridge may not work.
December 22, 20159 yr It's pretty well understood that, in general, speeds cannot be restricted simply by speed limits. Cars will drive the road's natural "free flow" speed regardless of what's posted. I'm sure everyone has noticed this before. So I agree with the above. You can post the '35 MPH' sign, but unless you make other adjustments to the road itself or a massive enforcement campaign, you won't notice a difference.
December 22, 20159 yr That's certainly true, but there are other means besides posted limits and enforcement to get people to slow down, like rumble strips and lights. They are hardly foolproof, but might be good enough. I really don't have a grasp of the safety risk on that stretch, though.
December 22, 20159 yr That's certainly true, but there are other means besides posted limits and enforcement to get people to slow down, like rumble strips and lights. They are hardly foolproof, but might be good enough. I really don't have a grasp of the safety risk on that stretch, though. And narrower lanes.
December 23, 20159 yr any/all of the numbered streets between W 32nd and W 58th could be intersections with lights. Why does 45th need a ramp if we want this to be an accessible road?
December 23, 20159 yr I think this is really going to come down to what the City wants to do. ODOT may be getting the flak in the article, but I'm pretty sure they're just managing the project (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). The City is responsible for the scope of the work...and any strategic decision regarding the truck/pedestrian traffic will need to be driven by them. Pun intended ;) I don't get the feeling that City Hall is going to say much. But then again that has never been Jackson's style.
December 23, 20159 yr We can't ignore the fact that there are some facilities along the lakefront that aren't going anywhere. The Morgan Waterworks Plant alone takes up several blocks along with the Taconite Pellet terminal and Cargill. As great an asset Esgewater Park is, it's un-developable from a residential or commercial standpoint. While you're correct about the water plant, there is a large amount of terminal services, which could be moved. As KJP has noted, these facilities could be moved upriver, closer to direct highway and rail access. This alone would solve the massive truck problem we have in Ohio City and Downtown (while certainly adding cost/time to the shippers, as the Cuyahoga is not exactly an easy maneuver for their boats). It would also free up a massive amount of land for direct waterfront development. Like anything else in this city, it would probably take public money to incentivize this move... Of course you would have to use money to incenticise a move. You can't just tell private entities to move because you want to build houses on their property. They're not just going to say, "ok, sounds good". And list their property and pay to move all of their operations and equipment. If the business' were closed, and property owners just holding the property, that's a different story. These are functioning business though. What I would like to see however is housing built on the hill, and the picnic areas of Esgewater park, with picnic areas moved to another location at the park. I always thought these locations would make for tremendous views.
December 23, 20159 yr Of course you would have to use money to incenticise a move. You can't just tell private entities to move because you want to build houses on their property. They're not just going to say, "ok, sounds good". And list their property and pay to move all of their operations and equipment. If the business' were closed, and property owners just holding the property, that's a different story. These are functioning business though. What I would like to see however is housing built on the hill, and the picnic areas of Esgewater park, with picnic areas moved to another location at the park. I always thought these locations would make for tremendous views. Or you could incentivize it in other ways, such as making major transportation access improvements (newer/bigger highway interchange, constructing direct rail connections/modernized rail yards, enhancing ship-docking facilities, etc.) farther upstream while not making such improvements near the old river channel or around Whiskey Island. Over time, new or expanded shipping and light-industrial activities will construct where the transportation is available. Hyperbole aside, obviously some things cannot easily move (Cargill, Port of Cleveland, water treatment plants), but that still leaves a significant developable footprint and reduces need for trucks and their stress on local roadways. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 24, 20169 yr Portion of Cleveland's West Shoreway Project will cost millions more than initial bid https://t.co/oEjDhhqPcu "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 30, 20169 yr More Shoreway construction set to begin Wednesday http://www.wkyc.com/mb/traffic/construction/more-shoreway-construction-set-to-begin-wednesday/106404070 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 30, 20169 yr I think one of the simplest but best parts of this project is that they cleared the hillside of all the overgrown brush and trees that were blocking the view of homes up along Tillman. This clearing alone has to improve the property values of those homes. I think that street is ripe for reinvestment/redevelopment given it's location & connections to downtown/Gordon Square
April 13, 20169 yr UCI President Chris Ronayne (Edgewater resident) took these pictures showing the median barrier is being removed... Check out @chrisronayne's Tweet: "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 13, 20169 yr Anyone else take the Edgewater exit into Battery Park yet? I seem to be the only person in my circle of friends that knows you can do this.
April 13, 20169 yr Anyone else take the Edgewater exit into Battery Park yet? I seem to be the only person in my circle of friends that knows you can do this. Several times. Fastest way to Gordon Square from Lakewood. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 13, 20169 yr Author Anyone else take the Edgewater exit into Battery Park yet? I seem to be the only person in my circle of friends that knows you can do this. Several times. Fastest way to Gordon Square from Lakewood. Does, should, the 55/CSU BRT-lite have a stop at Battery Park? If not, will the Shoreway conversion make such a stop more feasible? ... The few times I've been to BP (which I really like) I've always driven, but it appears that the #26 along Detroit is a tad distant..
April 13, 20169 yr Does, should, the 55/CSU BRT-lite have a stop at Battery Park? If not, will the Shoreway conversion make such a stop more feasible? ... The few times I've been to BP (which I really like) I've always driven, but it appears that the #26 along Detroit is a tad distant.. It doesn't, but I believe it should. In addition to Battery Park-area residents, I think it would also get some use by Edgewater Park visitors. The park often hosts events that draw big crowds and transit access would be very helpful. It would also help improve park access to visitors without cars -- that's 25 percent of the city and 10-15% of Lakewood residents too. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 13, 20169 yr That barrier wall had some major issues. During a tour not too long ago, they showed just how brittle the barrier had become. The conduits for the electric wiring had been collecting water - and some salt, and was expanding and contracting throughout the winter months. It was causing the cement to crack and weaken. Any cars that hit the wall essentially chopped off the top half - as was done many times in the curves by the tracks. I think that those walls were installed around 1988? They weren't that old.
April 13, 20169 yr Does, should, the 55/CSU BRT-lite have a stop at Battery Park? If not, will the Shoreway conversion make such a stop more feasible? ... The few times I've been to BP (which I really like) I've always driven, but it appears that the #26 along Detroit is a tad distant.. It doesn't, but I believe it should. In addition to Battery Park-area residents, I think it would also get some use by Edgewater Park visitors. The park often hosts events that draw big crowds and transit access would be very helpful. It would also help improve park access to visitors without cars -- that's 25 percent of the city and 10-15% of Lakewood residents too. I have used the interchange at 73rd probably 50 times already. Anyway. I agree...if there was a 55F bus stop at 73rd and the boulevard, I would've certainly used it often...park goers too. Do you know how many visitors stay downtown and really don't have access to our greenspace without a car?
April 13, 20169 yr Can get off at first stop on Clifton and walk into Edgewater via Lake tunnel or walk down from Detroit and 76/73
April 13, 20169 yr Can get off at first stop on Clifton and walk into Edgewater via Lake tunnel or walk down from Detroit and 76/73 Yep, but it's a long walk, especially to the beach and to Battery Park. And it's even longer walk in winter to Battery Park. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 15, 20169 yr Check out @ODOT_Cleveland's Tweet: "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 15, 20169 yr A more thorough explanation with a map: http://www.dot.state.oh.us/districts/D12/Deputy%20Director/News/Pages/Lakefront-West-Lane-on-OUTBOUND-Shoreway-to-close-starting-Monday-until-early-May.aspx
May 16, 20169 yr ODOT to suspend work on Shoreway, other projects during RNC http://fox8.com/2016/05/11/odot-to-suspend-work-on-shoreway-other-projects-during-rnc/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 16, 20169 yr ODOT to suspend work on Shoreway, other projects during RNC http://fox8.com/2016/05/11/odot-to-suspend-work-on-shoreway-other-projects-during-rnc/ Of course we wouldn't want those GOP delegates seeing wasteful spending on things like infrastructure. Make America Great Again!
May 16, 20169 yr The RNC is affecting a large area of work. Basically all interstate construction in Northeast Ohio will be shut down (i.e. all the counties surrounding Cuyahoga as well).
May 16, 20169 yr Author ODOT to suspend work on Shoreway, other projects during RNC http://fox8.com/2016/05/11/odot-to-suspend-work-on-shoreway-other-projects-during-rnc/ Of course we wouldn't want those GOP delegates seeing wasteful spending on things like infrastructure. Make America Great Again! Yep; especially after several conservatives have (very stupidly) opined that the constant cry for infrastructure repair is merely liberals' disingenuous quest to subsidize their union cronies.
May 27, 20169 yr The Shoreway's exit/entrance ramps to/from Edgewater Park have reopened. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 2, 20168 yr Shoreway closures expected to cause major delays this month http://www.newsnet5.com/traffic/traffic-news/shoreway-closures-expected-to-cause-major-delays-this-month "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 2, 20168 yr Basically, three lanes of Clifton and one lane of Lake will merge onto one-lane traffic going east. It uses the SR 2 west exit to Lake Road while the entrance ramp to SR 2 east and bridge on Clifton is being reconstructed. There are days when I'm glad I don't have to deal with traffic on Clifton. It was horrendous when it was down to two lanes on Clifton. Seek alternate routes and enjoy the improvements :)
August 2, 20168 yr The primary alternate route is also under construction at the same time. That's an ODOT specialty. I suspect they are trying to not have supervisors have to travel far.
August 2, 20168 yr Well, remember that the delay was... delayed for the RNC based on overblown projections that traffic in the city would be a quagmire.
August 4, 20168 yr Then watch, next spring another movie will close it! So fed up with this. Can't wait till it's done.
August 17, 20168 yr I didn't realize they were going to widen w45th to the extent that I'm seeing. They are cutting the curb significantly on the Northeast corner of Detroit and 45th (in front of Harp) for the new boulevard "onramp". I really hate this whole project. Besides maybe the bike/running trail and w76th ped tunnel bones we are being thrown.
August 17, 20168 yr I didn't realize they were going to widen w45th to the extent that I'm seeing. They are cutting the curb significantly on the Northeast corner of Detroit and 45th (in front of Harp) for the new boulevard "onramp". I really hate this whole project. Besides maybe the bike/running trail and w76th ped tunnel bones we are being thrown. I agree. This is in no way, shape or form a Boulevard. It's just irritating. It's nearly impossible to go 35 because it's a freaken highway!
August 17, 20168 yr I didn't realize they were going to widen w45th to the extent that I'm seeing. They are cutting the curb significantly on the Northeast corner of Detroit and 45th (in front of Harp) for the new boulevard "onramp". I really hate this whole project. Besides maybe the bike/running trail and w76th ped tunnel bones we are being thrown. I agree. This is in no way, shape or form a Boulevard. It's just irritating. It's nearly impossible to go 35 because it's a freaken highway! I can see it being 40mph, going 45mph is pretty comfortable. But going 40mph is really difficult. Why don't Cleveland area planners know there is a speed limit above 35mph but below highway speeds? In North Olmsted on a small stretch (50mph) and Detroit Rd in Westlake (40mph) but other than those two, I can't really think of any places with speed limits greater than 35mph in Cuyahoga County though they would be suitable in a lot of areas.
August 17, 20168 yr I didn't realize they were going to widen w45th to the extent that I'm seeing. They are cutting the curb significantly on the Northeast corner of Detroit and 45th (in front of Harp) for the new boulevard "onramp". I really hate this whole project. Besides maybe the bike/running trail and w76th ped tunnel bones we are being thrown. I agree. This is in no way, shape or form a Boulevard. It's just irritating. It's nearly impossible to go 35 because it's a freaken highway! I can see it being 40mph, going 45mph is pretty comfortable. But going 40mph is really difficult. Why don't Cleveland area planners know there is a speed limit above 35mph but below highway speeds? In North Olmsted on a small stretch (50mph) and Detroit Rd in Westlake (40mph) but other than those two, I can't really think of any places with speed limits greater than 35mph in Cuyahoga County though they would be suitable in a lot of areas. I keep hoping the end product with medians will help calm traffic. Something about those concrete jersey barriers in the center makes people want to fly. Recently it's been people doing 75 passing cars doing 35. The Highway Patrol must have been having a field day with reckless op tickets those days they were out there.
August 17, 20168 yr I didn't realize they were going to widen w45th to the extent that I'm seeing. They are cutting the curb significantly on the Northeast corner of Detroit and 45th (in front of Harp) for the new boulevard "onramp". I really hate this whole project. Besides maybe the bike/running trail and w76th ped tunnel bones we are being thrown. I agree. This is in no way, shape or form a Boulevard. It's just irritating. It's nearly impossible to go 35 because it's a freaken highway! I can see it being 40mph, going 45mph is pretty comfortable. But going 40mph is really difficult. Why don't Cleveland area planners know there is a speed limit above 35mph but below highway speeds? In North Olmsted on a small stretch (50mph) and Detroit Rd in Westlake (40mph) but other than those two, I can't really think of any places with speed limits greater than 35mph in Cuyahoga County though they would be suitable in a lot of areas. Harvard between Northfield and Richmond was 50mph up until construction of Eaton HQ and recently built developments in Chagrin Highlands.
August 22, 20168 yr Give ODOT credit on this! The Clifton entrance to the West Shoreway was closed Aug. 8 for 25 days to replace the bridge over the Lake Avenue eastbound ramp. The ramps were open yesterday! I watched precast concrete arches be delivered to the site the day of the roadway shut down. They were installed a few days later, then covered with dirt and then paved over.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 22, 20168 yr ^ Welcome news! That was quite a hassle, costing me around 1.5 hrs a day. Any chance they'll get the nice, tree lined median started this fall?
August 23, 20168 yr I think that is the goal. It's pretty easy to jackhammer out the median with heavy equipment and remove the conduits. I'm assuming new drainage tiles will be installed. This is shaping up to be an awesome project (albeit one with a very slow speed limit that no one follows)!
August 24, 20168 yr Major props to ODOT. I can't believe it actually took 25 days, I was thinking "no way".
August 24, 20168 yr Looks like there is a meeting coming up on September 8th (where I don't know). Probably a good time to ask where we are on the schedule! http://www.dot.state.oh.us/projects/ClevelandUrbanCoreProjects/LakefrontWest/Documents/ODOT%20City%20Presentation%20for%20St%20Malachi_2015-09-08.pdf
August 24, 20168 yr For some reason, I overlooked these improvements. There is only one old building that's worth salvaging (http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=41.49100,-81.70891&z=18&t=S) but the remainder is of no consequence. It corrects that awful W 25/Main/Washington intersection and removes the W 28 to OH 2 ramp that has no merging lane. Isn't that lot part of a larger mixed-use project I've seen floated around? The removal of those buildings will open up the entire block for the developer. It's a shame the other left exits and entrances on OH 2 aren't being relocated to the right, but budgets are budgets.
August 24, 20168 yr Isn't that lot part of a larger mixed-use project I've seen floated around? The removal of those buildings will open up the entire block for the developer. 2628 Detroit was being demolished for the mixed-used project but the two corner buildings, Linda's and Jamestown building, were to remain.
August 24, 20168 yr Looks like there is a meeting coming up on September 8th (where I don't know). Probably a good time to ask where we are on the schedule! http://www.dot.state.oh.us/projects/ClevelandUrbanCoreProjects/LakefrontWest/Documents/ODOT%20City%20Presentation%20for%20St%20Malachi_2015-09-08.pdf Sept 8, 2015
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