August 24, 20168 yr Looks like there is a meeting coming up on September 8th (where I don't know). Probably a good time to ask where we are on the schedule! http://www.dot.state.oh.us/projects/ClevelandUrbanCoreProjects/LakefrontWest/Documents/ODOT%20City%20Presentation%20for%20St%20Malachi_2015-09-08.pdf Sept 8, 2015 Well I feel dumb ha. I saw 'NEW' and just assumed :/
August 24, 20168 yr ^also, the items that they were proposing at the sept 2015 meeting have been scrapped due to some vocal (and very logical imho) neighborhood feedback.
August 24, 20168 yr Not all - the eastbound ramp to the Shoreway is still being removed, right? There was an article about it in Late December, where Ohio City, inc wanted the ramp to remain. I haven't heard anything in the news about it since. I'd be really surprised if it stayed though. It would most likely violate FHWA's terms for the funding...unless they can obtain a design exception. This late in the game though I don't know about that.
August 24, 20168 yr ^Sounds as if you probably know more about the govt highway world than I do. But I do know that the ramp closing and the 25th/Main Ave changes were initially added on to the original shoreway project due to some sort of additional safety funding. Also, i believe the speed limit in the area of the ramp is being lowered and that reduces the "need" to remove the ramp.
August 25, 20168 yr ^Sounds as if you probably know more about the govt highway world than I do. But I do know that the ramp closing and the 25th/Main Ave changes were initially added on to the original shoreway project due to some sort of additional safety funding. Also, i believe the speed limit in the area of the ramp is being lowered and that reduces the "need" to remove the ramp. I wouldn't advise a sense of security when entering that ramp even with lowered speeds!
August 25, 20168 yr ^Sounds as if you probably know more about the govt highway world than I do. But I do know that the ramp closing and the 25th/Main Ave changes were initially added on to the original shoreway project due to some sort of additional safety funding. Also, i believe the speed limit in the area of the ramp is being lowered and that reduces the "need" to remove the ramp. That sounds very plausible. Highway funding is a complicated puzzle sometimes to get the final total required. It is possible that in order to get the safety funds for other items of work, it was required to close the ramp. That is something I should be able to find out... My understanding though is that beginning at the Main Avenue bridge (prior to the merge) the speed limit will remain at 50mph.
September 12, 20168 yr They started demolishing the Jersey barriers in the median of the shoreway today.
September 13, 20168 yr According to the project site, there is another public meeting scheduled for October 6. http://www.dot.state.oh.us/projects/ClevelandUrbanCoreProjects/LakefrontWest/Pages/default.aspx
October 5, 20168 yr Reminder of the above... Lakefront West Shoreway Project Update - October 6 at 6-8pm-2700 Washington, Lakeview Tower @ODOT_Innerbelt @CityofCleveland @ohiocitytweets https://t.co/T7YJrSnozP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 6, 20168 yr Shoreway construction is on track, but still a long way from completion http://s.cleveland.com/Qyr2U6c "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 6, 20168 yr Shoreway construction is on track, but still a long way from completion http://s.cleveland.com/Qyr2U6c It's interesting the article only mentions center median construction, multi purpose path and landscaping as remaining work. Seems like that shouldn't take very long.
October 6, 20168 yr Except for all the drainage they're installing. Then they have to resurface the entire roadway from the Main Avenue bridge to Lake Road. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 6, 20168 yr Except for all the drainage they're installing. Then they have to resurface the entire roadway from the Main Avenue bridge to Lake Road. I wonder if they'll keep doing the small wetlands along the roadside, as seen near Edgewater? Anyhow, at least I 90 is close to full capacity. That should help with some of the traffic. Maybe.
October 10, 20168 yr It's not resurfacing but complete pavement rebuilding. Expect for backhoes and assorted equipment ripping out the old concrete base and installing a new base and asphalt pavement.
November 14, 20168 yr As someone who has used the W 73 exit quite a bit lately, they're going to have to put a traffic light at 73rd and Detroit. Making that left turn toward Gordon Square is a dangerous ordeal, even in off peak traffic hours.
November 14, 20168 yr From @aerialagents W73rd Norfolk Southern continues its recent policy of urging all new underpasses and other projects under/next to their tracks of ensuring they can add a fourth main track from Cleveland to Chicago at some point in the future. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 23, 20177 yr Our worship of fast cars wrecked it... West Shoreway $100M re-do brings benefits, but falls short of original vision (photos) https://articles.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2017/08/west_shoreway_100m_re-do_bring.amp "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 23, 20177 yr Our worship of fast cars wrecked it... West Shoreway $100M re-do brings benefits, but falls short of original vision (photos) https://articles.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2017/08/west_shoreway_100m_re-do_bring.amp Actually I'd say the presence of the railroad wrecked it. No way to make all those pass throughs to connect with the railroad in the way. And the massive sewer line which required relocation for the 65th tunnel.... But hey, we have great access points now to Edgewater at Lake, 76th, 73rd, 65th. That's 4 points in less than a 2 mile stretch. It's better access than what Chicago has to it's lakefront...
August 23, 20177 yr Steven nails it in this article. All that money, and all it became was a glorified repaving. Edgewater is still a traffic jam to get into. Shoreway is still a speedway. The new bikepath is nice, I'll give them that!
August 23, 20177 yr When is the repaving going to be done? I have no idea what the rubber overlay is they put up on the two inside lanes. Is the contractor out of cash and looking for some contingency payments to complete the project?
August 23, 20177 yr Our worship of fast cars wrecked it... West Shoreway $100M re-do brings benefits, but falls short of original vision (photos) https://articles.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2017/08/west_shoreway_100m_re-do_bring.amp Actually I'd say the presence of the railroad wrecked it. No way to make all those pass throughs to connect with the railroad in the way. And the massive sewer line which required relocation for the 65th tunnel.... But hey, we have great access points now to Edgewater at Lake, 76th, 73rd, 65th. That's 4 points in less than a 2 mile stretch. It's better access than what Chicago has to it's lakefront... The railroad preceded the park and the development of the surrounding neighborhoods/factories. How could the railroad have wrecked something that wasn't even there? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 23, 20177 yr Our worship of fast cars wrecked it... West Shoreway $100M re-do brings benefits, but falls short of original vision (photos) https://articles.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2017/08/west_shoreway_100m_re-do_bring.amp No, funding. Plans come and go all the time and some are just not realistic or feasible because of a variety of issues - notably, money. It would have been great to have gone with a pie-in-the-sky conversion of the Shoreway into something amazing, but you know what? The new Shoreway is a massive improvement in many respects: - New roadway base, replacing 70 year old+ concrete. (At least in the left lanes? Did they do all of the lanes?) - Fresh landscaping. - Traffic calming measures throughout. - Bike lanes. - Improved lighting. - New and improved connections to existing neighborhoods. - New NS overpass. This is spurring developments at Edgewater and the surrounding neighborhoods and paints a fresh face on what was a seriously crumbling expressway that long outlived its usefulness. With its freeway connections west and south axed long ago, it was just a stubbed highway that only saved commuters a handful of minutes. I do question the 35 MPH limit but oh well. 45 MPH is just fine.
August 23, 20177 yr ^^It's the people still doing 70 mph that are worrisome. Unfortunately it will take a horrific accident to make people take a stand against these drivers. Buffalo NY had a similar scenario with a 45 mph road through Delaware park that people treated as a wide-open interstate. It took the death of a 3 year old for change to happen. http://www.wkbw.com/news/198-speed-limit-reduced-to-30-mph-through-park
August 23, 20177 yr Steven nails it in this article. All that money, and all it became was a glorified repaving. Edgewater is still a traffic jam to get into. Shoreway is still a speedway. The new bikepath is nice, I'll give them that! Boy did you miss the extensive rework of tunnels at Lake, 76th & new access at 73rd which required massive sewer relocation, railroad bridge, etc. Glorified repaving indeed... I guess I'm just bitter after listening to pile driving for 2 years.... and dealing with mud all over the streets from all the excavation trucking... Complaining about Edgewater being a traffic jam and complaining about the speed on the Shoreway sort of conflict each other to me. Just park nearby and walk in or bike in via one of the tunnels and ignore the speeding traffic/traffic jams. at a certain point, it's silly to complain about the traffic in & out of the park. Metroparks has done an amazing job transforming the place and programming some great events. It's a huge park. It's going to be busy. Sort of like trying to go to the zoo on a sunny Saturday morning. Or a concert at Blossom. You just deal with it because it's a cool place and everyone wants to be there. At least at Edgewater, you have other options to get in on foot/bike, whatever
August 23, 20177 yr This is spurring developments at Edgewater and the surrounding neighborhoods and paints a fresh face on what was a seriously crumbling expressway that long outlived its usefulness. With its freeway connections west and south axed long ago, it was just a stubbed highway that only saved commuters a handful of minutes. If it outlived it's usefulness and funding is in short supply, then why reconstruct it in the exact same fashion (as a freeway). I don't understand your logic. They could have reduced the infrastructure a great deal by reducing to 4 at-grade lanes without a landscaped median. Got rid of those crazy entrance/exit ramps and underpass on the western edge from West Blv and Lake. In addition, remember you don't have to deal the rails East of 58th. So the intersections there are much, much easier.
August 23, 20177 yr Have you been on the highway at rush hour - or really other times when traffic was elevated, during construction? I used to live on Clifton near W. 117 and took the bus to work in downtown (and later drove when I had to be at CWRU). When it was six lanes, traffic moved smoothly most of the time, with the usual congestion at interchanges and at traffic lights. No biggie. When it was four lanes, traffic backed up (in morning rush) westward by 2 to 3 miles. Detroit was gridlocked. My bus (the CSU line) was perpetually late. Those ramps at the west end are now reworked and much better. It's a lot less confusing.
August 23, 20177 yr I'm still surprised they aren't extending the bus lanes from the east end of Clifton to downtown(ish). The CSU line would be much more effective if it could continue it's rush hour lane convenience through this section.
August 23, 20177 yr ^^It's the people still doing 70 mph that are worrisome. Unfortunately it will take a horrific accident to make people take a stand against these drivers. Buffalo NY had a similar scenario with a 45 mph road through Delaware park that people treated as a wide-open interstate. It took the death of a 3 year old for change to happen. http://www.wkbw.com/news/198-speed-limit-reduced-to-30-mph-through-park Roadway design determines traffic speed more than changing the signs. http://usa.streetsblog.org/2017/08/08/the-state-with-the-deadliest-traffic-in-america-admits-its-high-speed-streets-have-to-change/
August 23, 20177 yr I think having the rush hour bus lanes would have been great, although it wasn't really much of an issue with traffic once you were on the freeway.
August 23, 20177 yr I love how controversial this Shoreway project has been - literally for 10+ years, people have been hating on it or loving it. Very little in between, even now as its nearly complete
August 24, 20177 yr I think having the rush hour bus lanes would have been great, although it wasn't really much of an issue with traffic once you were on the freeway. At least one day a week it is due to an accident, etc....Clifton was backed up off the Shoreway this morning when I went by there.
November 19, 20177 yr I can't tell you how fun it is to drive at a couple miles over the speed limit on the fully opened West Shoreway. I slide into the right lane after using the Lake Ave. ramp and cruise along at 35 to 38 MPH. My kids wonder why other drivers are waving with just one finger at me and I tell them they are just jealous of how we get a few extra seconds to enjoy the smooth road.
November 19, 20177 yr I can't tell you how fun it is to drive at a couple miles over the speed limit on the fully opened West Shoreway. I slide into the right lane after using the Lake Ave. ramp and cruise along at 35 to 38 MPH. My kids wonder why other drivers are waving with just one finger at me and I tell them they are just jealous of how we get a few extra seconds to enjoy the smooth road. A couple miles? Outside of rush hour, I don't think I've seen anyone going less than 40. I don't think I've done less than 45 lol.
November 19, 20177 yr I can't tell you how fun it is to drive at a couple miles over the speed limit on the fully opened West Shoreway. I slide into the right lane after using the Lake Ave. ramp and cruise along at 35 to 38 MPH. My kids wonder why other drivers are waving with just one finger at me and I tell them they are just jealous of how we get a few extra seconds to enjoy the smooth road. A couple miles? Outside of rush hour, I don't think I've seen anyone going less than 40. I don't think I've done less than 45 lol. Funny how after all of that work it is still dangerous merging onto this road.
November 19, 20177 yr The short ramps at West 28th were supposed to be closed and West 45th were supposed to be replaced with an intersection. I'm hoping the road will evolve to that. Converting it from a freeway to a boulevard was too drastic of a change for the autobots. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 19, 20177 yr Converting it from a freeway to a boulevard was too drastic of a change for the autobots. Or it was an untenable idea advanced by the same cadre of decepticons who oppose all vertical development in the area.
November 19, 20177 yr Please go to other cities (particularly the growing, low-carbon, progressive ones) around the world and look at what they are doing with urban highways (and why) before expressing any more unfounded opinions. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 19, 20177 yr The short ramps at West 28th were supposed to be closed and West 45th were supposed to be replaced with an intersection. I'm hoping the road will evolve to that. Converting it from a freeway to a boulevard was too drastic of a change for the autobots. I knew the intersection at 45th wasn't happening--but I thought ODOT had agreed to get rid of that short merge from 28th. It's insane that they still allow that (almost as much as the drivers who don't know what a yield sign is).
November 21, 20177 yr From....... Bike Cleveland @Bike_CLE Something to be thankful for ahead of Thanksgiving. The Lakefront Bikeway is FINALLY getting paved!!! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 7, 20177 yr Kind of a breakdown of the Shoreway project from Matt Zone on Ideastream. http://www.ideastream.org/programs/ideas/remaking-cleveland’s-shoreway-helps-remake-a-neighborhood
December 7, 20177 yr Kind of a breakdown of the Shoreway project from Matt Zone on Ideastream. http://www.ideastream.org/programs/ideas/remaking-cleveland’s-shoreway-helps-remake-a-neighborhood Link is not working for me, but I found it on their site and reposting here: http://www.ideastream.org/programs/ideas/remaking-cleveland%E2%80%99s-shoreway-helps-remake-a-neighborhood
December 12, 20177 yr Time to finish the project. Get rid of the Edgewater interchange and turn it into an intersection. Ditto for West 45th. And lengthen the ramps at West 28th.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 12, 20177 yr None of that applies here though. It was conceived and built as a freeway, entirely within city limits, and served a distinctly urban population in Lakewood. Public funds aren't being sought to widen it, in fact the polar opposite is true. All in the service of this: http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2017/12/battery_park_townhouse_offers.html "Can't decide between city or suburban living? At Battery Park, you don't have to." My favorite line: "Downtown is just a $7 Uber ride away."
December 12, 20177 yr Nope. It was built as a boulevard 100+ years ago, originally called Bulkley Boulevard then upgraded to a freeway with WPA funds during the Depression. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 12, 20177 yr ^ I only learned about that a couple years ago when looking at a historical map.
December 12, 20177 yr ^ I only learned about that a couple years ago when looking at a historical map. Nope. It was built as a boulevard 100+ years ago, originally called Bulkley Boulevard then upgraded to a freeway with WPA funds during the Depression. The GPS on my car still calls it Buckley Blvd....
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