Oh, that makes more sense. The one between 3rd and 4th.

Would a siding starting directly to the east of the Ohio Center, going under 3rd and 4th then rejoining the mainline under 670 be long enough?

1 hour ago, DevolsDance said:

 

I think they meant the East Surface Lot that sits between 3rd and 4th. Right now that lot mostly just seems like a giant overflow lot for the various things around it. I know at one point the Convention Center had mentioned the lot as a future expansion/field house, just not sure if that is in the books anymore. 

 

 

Yep, that's the one.

On 3/31/2021 at 7:29 PM, TH3BUDDHA said:

I was driving on 670 and noticed they had cleared out the trees along Vine St.  I don't think it means anything, it was just very noticeable with it being so open.  I pulled off and turned down Vine from Neil, and you can see the stadium driving on Vine now.  I wonder if maybe there were some homeless camp problems in there that they wanted to clear out.

 

 

It's a little blurry, but crossposting the Hilton Construction cam image from the Crew Stadium thread this morning that shows this cleared out land along Vine.  This angle really shows the potential for some big development on that parcel, the triangle between the tracks, and the land north of Crew Stadium that can all be tied to The Reach under 670.

 

Edited April 6, 20214 yr by TH3BUDDHA

The north parcel easily connects to the White Castle site underneath 670 in its current state. A bridge over the RR tracks would be required to connect that parcel to the Astor Park district, and an elevated intersection could connect the triangle parcel. 

 

On 3/5/2021 at 8:14 AM, .justin said:

I don't think I've seen this posted yet on here -- Columbus Rec & Parks is adding a covered patio to the North Bank Park pavilion:

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2020/10/14/city-to-renovate-downtown-north-bank-park-pavilion.html

 

 

It appears that work on this is starting as the area is now fenced off:

 

 

The new covered patio at the North Bank Park Pavilion appears to be mostly finished:

 

From the Downtown Commission meeting today --

 

The city is working to implement a DORA for the Arena District. The DORA would begin 3 hours before the beginning of any sports games (Crew, Clippers, and Blue Jackets) and end at midnight.

 

Edited May 25, 20214 yr by .justin

10 minutes ago, .justin said:

From the Downtown Commission meeting today --

 

The city is working to implement a DORA for the Arena District. The DORA would begin 3 hours before the beginning of any sports games (Crew, Clippers, and Blue Jackets) and end at midnight.

 

Nice! Our own Las Vegas strip!

41 minutes ago, .justin said:

From the Downtown Commission meeting today --

 

The city is working to implement a DORA for the Arena District. The DORA would begin 3 hours before the beginning of any sports games (Crew, Clippers, and Blue Jackets) and end at midnight.

 

Hopefully this along with the Crew Stadium opening will bring some life back to this area.  The rise of the Short North has not been great for the Arena District.

4 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

Hopefully this along with the Crew Stadium opening will bring some life back to this area.  The rise of the Short North has not been great for the Arena District.

With the new stadium, new housing around the stadium and all the residential development right across the river I have to imagine the Arena District won't look so dead after hours in a few years time.

Why not just make all of the AD as the DORA?  It doesn't make sense to me to have only certain streets.  Seems like a recipe for people getting into trouble accidentally by unknowingly walking down a street that doesn't have the designation.

Edited May 25, 20214 yr by jonoh81

I liked the idea kicked around five or six years ago (maybe a little longer) of a pedestrian bridge connecting Franklinton to the Arena District.  The bridge design they had released at the time that was being considered was sweet.  I think with all the development in Franklinton and the new Crew Stadium and surrounding development on the way, I'd like to see this idea considered again.  No better time than now.

16 minutes ago, Luvcbus said:

I liked the idea kicked around five or six years ago (maybe a little longer) of a pedestrian bridge connecting Franklinton to the Arena District.  The bridge design they had released at the time that was being considered was sweet.  I think with all the development in Franklinton and the new Crew Stadium and surrounding development on the way, I'd like to see this idea considered again.  No better time than now.

Seems like a no brainer! 

1 hour ago, jonoh81 said:

Why not just make all of the AD as the DORA?  It doesn't make sense to me to have only certain streets.  Seems like a recipe for people getting into trouble accidentally by unknowingly walking down a street that doesn't have the designation.

 

It's more convoluted than the Columbus 500 track!

It is interesting it does not include the park street businesses north of vine. I think it goes to what I mentioned in the other thread in Dublin, seems like Columbus is avoiding DORAS in some ways to avoid a Duval St, Beale St, Broadway St, Bourbon St (redacted)show that those places can become. Not that Columbus would but Park Street, SN etc would certainly head that way quickly with a broad DORA. Columbus seems to want to go slow on this. I would venture to guess that it will eventually get expanded to Goodale at some point. It just makes sense. 

 

Also. I forget the specifications. Maybe they can't go up that far by law if they've burned their allowable space for those areas outlined?

8 hours ago, 614love said:

Seems like a no brainer! 

It was part of the 2010 Downtown Strategic Plan...

I don't know if you remember the proposal, but it was a slick looking bridge.

If built the way it was proposed, it would compliment the Rich St bridge very  well.

I couldn't find a picture of it but found this on CU:

 

10. “Pedestrian Bike Bridge” — Status: Shelved / Not Yet Started

 

While the central and southern portions of Downtown are well connected across the Scioto River into Franklinton via bridges at Broad Street, Rich/Town Street and Main Street, the north end of Downtown doesn’t have any options north of Broad. That may not be a big problem for drivers, but for pedestrian and bike traffic, it’s a bigger issue. The solution of constructing a new bridge was proposed with the Downtown Strategic Plan, calling for improved access between the Vets Memorial event center and the Arena District / Convention Center area...

2 hours ago, DTCL11 said:

Yep!  That's one of them!   

If I remember right, there was a couple other design ideas for this bridge.  If you happen to see them, and could post them, I'd love to see them again.

Thank you for finding this!

4 hours ago, Luvcbus said:

Yep!  That's one of them!   

If I remember right, there was a couple other design ideas for this bridge.  If you happen to see them, and could post them, I'd love to see them again.

Thank you for finding this!

 

This was the graphic included in the 2010 Downtown Strategic Plan (available here):

 

1 hour ago, .justin said:

 

This was the graphic included in the 2010 Downtown Strategic Plan (available here):

 

Thanks!  There were three or four different options they were debating at the time.  If you could find the renderings of each of those, I would love to see them again.  I can't seem to find them.

14 minutes ago, Luvcbus said:

Thanks!  There were three or four different options they were debating at the time.  If you could find the renderings of each of those, I would love to see them again.  I can't seem to find them.

Here’s another one: http://www.rosalespartners.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/RP-Scioto-Downtown-Pedestrian-Bridge.pdf

Here are the pics of all 3 bridges...

 

 

 

Edited May 26, 20214 yr by OhioFinest

And here are the other renders: http://wxyarchitecture.com/columbus_bridge.html. I’m on mobile otherwise I would save and post the photos.

I was always curious why they proposed it to be east of the railroad bridge instead of west.  It would be a more direct route between Franklinton/AD and would likely be somewhat less expensive to build it to the west.

Edited May 26, 20214 yr by jonoh81

I can do that for ya...here are the other renderings.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I personally like the bridge in the first set of 3 pics...the one shaped like an "S".  To me that is the most clean and yet modern design.  The others have a lot going on and distract from the sky line.  I think the objective should be to be able to see the bridge and the skyline at the same time, without drawing too much attention from each other. In my opinion, the first bridge accomplishes that.  The other concepts are just too high in height if you ask me.  Just my opinion though...

Edited May 26, 20214 yr by OhioFinest

51 minutes ago, OhioFinest said:

I personally like the bridge in the first set of 3 pics...the one shaped like an "S".  To me that is the most clean and yet modern design.  The others have a lot going on and distract from the sky line.  I think the objective should be to be able to see the bridge and the skyline at the same time, without drawing too much attention from each other. In my opinion, the first bridge accomplishes that.  The other concepts are just too high in height if you ask me.  Just my opinion though...

The first one fits in downtown by far the best.  It even looks similar to the Main St bridge IMO

1 hour ago, jonoh81 said:

I was always curious why they proposed it to be east of the railroad bridge instead of west.  It would be a more direct route between Franklinton/AD and would likely be somewhat less expensive to build it to the west.

I wonder if it was because they were looking at it through 2010 lenses.  What was over there to bother getting to at the time?  Looking at the 2010 strategic plan, it looks like they envisioned a cultural district around COSI with other cultural institutions being built where the current development is happening.  So, the point of the bridge was getting people right to Veterans Memorial and COSI.  It also mentions that they planned on the Peninsula being a catalyst for development in Franklinton.  Maybe they weren't fully confident that would actually happen.  Turns out it was actually the success of Franklinton that may have finally got the Peninsula rolling.  I would hope that a more modern plan would consider a bridge west of the railroad bridge.

Edited May 26, 20214 yr by TH3BUDDHA

1 hour ago, jonoh81 said:

I was always curious why they proposed it to be east of the railroad bridge instead of west.  It would be a more direct route between Franklinton/AD and would likely be somewhat less expensive to build it to the west.

 

If you build west of the railroad bridge, then you would also have to build a bridge over the railroad tracks to get into Franklinton. It would probably be pretty difficult to go under the tracks since the levee/floodwall is also right there at about the same level as the tracks.

1 hour ago, .justin said:

 

If you build west of the railroad bridge, then you would also have to build a bridge over the railroad tracks to get into Franklinton. It would probably be pretty difficult to go under the tracks since the levee/floodwall is also right there at about the same level as the tracks.

 

Yes, all that makes sense, but I think now it would be really interesting to see the bridge to the west with connections to Vets/SP and also a connection to the planned railroad bridge park.  

15 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

the planned railroad bridge park.

What is the proposed railroad bridge park?  I think I missed that.

28 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

What is the proposed railroad bridge park?  I think I missed that.

 

From this article a month ago-

 

Quote

 

One other project in the area that is “still being pursued,” according to Westall, is an elevated trail that would run along former rail the right-of-way from West Broad Street (just west of the Spaghetti Warehouse) to the Scioto Trail near the River and Rich development.

 

“That’s still high-level,” said Westall, but he is hopeful that eventually the project can serve as both “connective tissue” for the neighborhood and as “an expression of our community.”

 

 

It's #6 on the map below (from here), though based on this Dispatch article I think only the section over Rich and Town would be elevated.

 

5 hours ago, OhioFinest said:

Here are the pics of all 3 bridges...

 

 

 

i hope they put something like this back on the table

Edited May 26, 20214 yr by CbusOrBust

5 hours ago, OhioFinest said:

Here are the pics of all 3 bridges...

 

 

 

Thanks!  These are exactly what I was looking for.  I really like this particular one

Do we think there’s any chance any of these actually get built? Just trying to gauge my excitement level.

17 minutes ago, 614love said:

Do we think there’s any chance any of these actually get built? Just trying to gauge my excitement level.

With more and more development in the arena district, the peninsula and Franklinton, I can see it happening 99.99% 

9 hours ago, 614love said:

Do we think there’s any chance any of these actually get built? Just trying to gauge my excitement level.

If they had plans for this 10 years ago, then this should absolutely be a thing that's coming.  I mean, they are building one for Astor Park, so this should be a no brainer if you ask me.  

 

 

18 hours ago, .justin said:

 

If you build west of the railroad bridge, then you would also have to build a bridge over the railroad tracks to get into Franklinton. It would probably be pretty difficult to go under the tracks since the levee/floodwall is also right there at about the same level as the tracks.

I'm thinking east of the railroad bridge may still be best to move people between The Arena District area and The Peninsula/Cosi area.  They are already planning on widening the Souder Ave bridge in a couple years and part of that project is including a dedicated pedestrian bridge a few feet east of the widened bridge. 

 

I hope they don't just do the one next to Souder Ave and think that's sufficient. 

The issue is, and I say this as an apolitical observation, we currently have a mayor and city hall that are not quite as interested in show pieces than the previous mayor. While it is a no brainer, there's going to have to be some political willpower for the city to back and fund such a project right now. I'm not sure something like this is high on their radar in terms of direct funding. 

 

One of the best ways to initiate it would be to try to get the big players in the Arena District and Peninsula to push for it and largely fund it privately if possible. The CDDC can also play a big part. It will almost certainly happen but I'm not going to put money on it anytime soon if we are relying solely on the city to initiate and fund the plans. Des Moines, Iowa has a showpiece bridge that where then entire $10mil cost was private funding. 

 

It really does surprise me that they didn't just do it with the Greenway project but the bridge alone might have added another 50% to the project. Coleman et all were successful in getting the Greenway half funded by private investment so private and public funding sources may have been pretty well tapped at the time.  The new Dublin Bridge was over $20 million. Depending on design, a bridge here could probably come close to that if the goal is beauty. Function over form can probably decrease that but even the small mostly modular bridge by the Crew Stadium is a $2 million dollar bridge. 

 

Making the entire stretch of 70 from Front to Grant and 71 from Town to Spring parkland caps, or at least cap capable (and not just the bridges) is also a no brainer but we've got to have the right people in the right places with the right funding.  EDIT: and if you're REALLY ambitious, Hudson to Oakland Park and 18th to Kelton. And maybe part of 315 around Broad. But thats a but too visionary for Columbus/Ohio 

 

Of course, now that I've typed this all out, they'll announce the new bridge this summer. Lol. 

Edited May 27, 20214 yr by DTCL11

2 minutes ago, DTCL11 said:

Of course, now that I've typed this all out, they'll announce the new bridge this summer. Lol. 

We thank you for your service, then.

Youre welcome :-) lol

Edited May 27, 20214 yr by DTCL11

39 minutes ago, DTCL11 said:

The issue is, and I say this as an apolitical observation, we currently have a mayor and city hall that are not quite as interested in show pieces than the previous mayor. While it is a no brainer, there's going to have to be some political willpower for the city to back and fund such a project right now. I'm not sure something like this is high on their radar in terms of direct funding. 

 

One of the best ways to initiate it would be to try to get the big players in the Arena District and Peninsula to push for it and largely fund it privately if possible. The CDDC can also play a big part. It will almost certainly happen but I'm not going to put money on it anytime soon if we are relying solely on the city to initiate and fund the plans. Des Moines, Iowa has a showpiece bridge that where then entire $10mil cost was private funding. 

 

It really does surprise me that they didn't just do it with the Greenway project but the bridge alone might have added another 50% to the project. Coleman et all were successful in getting the Greenway half funded by private investment so private and public funding sources may have been pretty well tapped at the time.  The new Dublin Bridge was over $20 million. Depending on design, a bridge here could probably come close to that if the goal is beauty. Function over form can probably decrease that but even the small mostly modular bridge by the Crew Stadium is a $2 million dollar bridge. 

 

Making the entire stretch of 70 from Front to Grant and 71 from Town to Spring parkland caps, or at least cap capable (and not just the bridges) is also a no brainer but we've got to have the right people in the right places with the right funding.  EDIT: and if you're REALLY ambitious, Hudson to Oakland Park and 18th to Kelton. And maybe part of 315 around Broad. But thats a but too visionary for Columbus/Ohio 

 

Of course, now that I've typed this all out, they'll announce the new bridge this summer. Lol. 

The city pushed for covering the Downtown highway trench for years during the planning phases of the 70-71 fix, but ODOT refused to even consider it.  They did ultimately agree to allow buildable caps at i believe 3rd and High?, but it’s been several years and we’ve heard nothing about it since.  Who knows if that’s still in the works. As for the current administration, we can’t even get a bike lane out of them.  

36 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

The city pushed for covering the Downtown highway trench for years during the planning phases of the 70-71 fix, but ODOT refused to even consider it.  They did ultimately agree to allow buildable caps at i believe 3rd and High?, but it’s been several years and we’ve heard nothing about it since.  Who knows if that’s still in the works. As for the current administration, we can’t even get a bike lane out of them.  

 

Yeah, they're pretty useless. You'd think Ginther would want to put his mark on the city, but instead he'll continue to coast. Such a bummer.

 

As for the cover of the highways, ODOT sucks so much. I think they're still planning on building "cap-able" bridges on High, Front, and another street, I think. Or at least High, maybe not Front. It's supposed to have greenery and be more walkable. Something like that. I would love if they could mimic the success of the Short North's cap.

Total "maintenance mayor".

22 hours ago, OhioFinest said:

 

 

 

 

I think this one is by far the most unique. I like the reference to the adjacent RR bridge. Nice opportunities for planting and shade as well. Make is scarlet & gray and I'm sold 😂

1 hour ago, GCrites80s said:

Total "maintenance mayor".

I agree.

Mayor Coleman understood that for The City of Columbus (or any big city for that matter) to reach its full potential, to be the very best it can be, it has to have a strong core, a thriving downtown.

Mayor Ginther doesn't seem to get this.  And, in my opinion, is making a huge mistake.

Edited May 27, 20214 yr by Luvcbus
Spell

I also wish we still had Coleman or a "Coleman type" mayor. He was a great advocate for the city. I also would not mind a reworking of the old "blue serpent" design for the Broad Street Bridge into a pedestrian type bridge connecting the Arena District with East Franklinton/the Scioto Peninsula. There needs to be a pedestrian connection, at the very least an inexpensive value engineered one.

Not to get too off subject, but Coleman was a mayor for ALL people too. He was truly truly a great mayor.  Wish he was still leading the city.  

 

1 hour ago, jebleprls22 said:

I think this one is by far the most unique. I like the reference to the adjacent RR bridge. Nice opportunities for planting and shade as well. Make is scarlet & gray and I'm sold 😂

 

As for this bridge in particular, i would be all for it if it was scaled down in height just a touch.  I actually don't mind any of the concepts, i just prefer the first bridge, but i love the Scarlet and Gray theme. Any chance the current Railroad bridge could be painted and brought back to life a bit too? 

23 hours ago, GCrites80s said:

Total "maintenance mayor".

 

He's called Mayor Suburbs for a reason.

He was looking into rail transit but had to leave the meeting in a rush. There's a crack in a curb on Noe-Bixby!