July 16, 20195 yr 33 minutes ago, mbeaumont76 said: Multiple buildings on the site. "the project will start with a 130,000-square-foot building at the corner of Vine and Neil, which would be completed by the end of 2021. The developer estimates the full build-out could have as much as 500,000 square feet of new commercial office space." So it's a 500k sq ft project, the first building of which will be 130k sq ft. Gotcha. Thanks. The article doesn't mention anything about multiple buildings so that's probably why I was getting confused. Those lots suck. Sure, for monthly parking they're the cheapest in the area, but they're not even paved and hardly ever monitored except for big events. Very Stable Genius
July 16, 20195 yr A gravel parking lot that big in a Downtown does not help a city's reputation at all, especially with out-of-towners.
July 16, 20195 yr 14 minutes ago, aderwent said: That's a giant lot for only 130,000 square feet. The article says a 500k sq ft project. The 130k sq ft is just phase one.
July 16, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, DarkandStormy said: Gotcha. Thanks. The article doesn't mention anything about multiple buildings so that's probably why I was getting confused. I had to read it twice myself, haha.
July 16, 20195 yr 1 minute ago, mbeaumont76 said: The article says a 500k sq ft project. The 130k sq ft is just phase one. I guess I figured the whole highlighted lot would be phase one. Even if not, it's over three and a half acres. 500,000 isn't much for that, either.
July 16, 20195 yr 8 minutes ago, aderwent said: I guess I figured the whole highlighted lot would be phase one. Even if not, it's over three and a half acres. 500,000 isn't much for that, either. Think it might look something like where Nationwide Retirement Solutions moved to? Link Very Stable Genius
July 16, 20195 yr 14 minutes ago, aderwent said: I guess I figured the whole highlighted lot would be phase one. Even if not, it's over three and a half acres. 500,000 isn't much for that, either. Well, it's NRI. I doubt we'll see anything over 5 stories.
July 16, 20195 yr OK here's another article with more info. https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/07/16/nationwide-realty-plans-200m-expansion-of-the.html?ana=fbk Not just 130,000 square feet of offices. There will be ground floor retail or offices, 150 apartments, and a 650 space parking garage.
July 16, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, aderwent said: OK here's another article with more info. https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/07/16/nationwide-realty-plans-200m-expansion-of-the.html?ana=fbk Not just 130,000 square feet of offices. There will be ground floor retail or offices, 150 apartments, and a 650 space parking garage. All for the first building? If so, that would obviously be taller than 5 stories. At least 6 ? But seriously, I'm expecting underwhelming design and a height reduction for whatever gets proposed.
July 16, 20195 yr 12 minutes ago, jonoh81 said: All for the first building? If so, that would obviously be taller than 5 stories. At least 6 ? But seriously, I'm expecting underwhelming design and a height reduction for whatever gets proposed. That article was updated. The initial building at Vine/Neil will be four floors. Chipotle will occupy the top three floors. The apartments and garage will be separate. The 500,000 square feet is spread across these lots and their lots along the railroad tracks and Spring. What happened to the Nationwide that built three skyscrapers in a couple decades?
July 16, 20195 yr 37 minutes ago, aderwent said: That article was updated. The initial building at Vine/Neil will be four floors. Chipotle will occupy the top three floors. The apartments and garage will be separate. The 500,000 square feet is spread across these lots and their lots along the railroad tracks and Spring. What happened to the Nationwide that built three skyscrapers in a couple decades? lol... so the underwhelming part at least. It'll be hard to reduce 4 stories, though, but if anyone can do it... These parking lots are enormous. They could've been something special because they are on full display from 670 and 315. But nope. Who needs vision when you can go cheap. I can't believe we waited 20 years for this. Edited July 16, 20195 yr by jonoh81
July 17, 20195 yr 3 hours ago, jonoh81 said: lol... so the underwhelming part at least. It'll be hard to reduce 4 stories, though, but if anyone can do it... These parking lots are enormous. They could've been something special because they are on full display from 670 and 315. But nope. Who needs vision when you can go cheap. I can't believe we waited 20 years for this. Good grief. What's with all the whining? This is about density, not height. These are huge parking lots that can't all be filled with 15 story towers. If this is what's feasible then there is nothing wrong with it. It's easy to say someone has no vision when it's not your money being spent on a huge project. And a $200 million project is not cheap. There are two significant towers about to be built and downtown and the short north have seen significant infill and density being built over the last couple of years filling in innumerable parking craters and you're complaining about height, lol. Edited July 17, 20195 yr by jeremyck01
July 17, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, jeremyck01 said: Good grief. What's with all the whining? This is about density, not height. These are huge parking lots that can't all be filled with 15 story towers. If this is what's feasible then there is nothing wrong with it. It's easy to say someone has no vision when it's not your money being spent on a huge project. And a $200 million project is not cheap. There are two significant towers about to be built and downtown and the short north have seen significant infill and density being built over the last couple of years filling in innumerable parking craters and you're complaining about height, lol. I'll second the $200 million is not cheap, considering the Normandy & Neilston apartments just sold last week for $62 million.
July 17, 20195 yr 2 hours ago, jeremyck01 said: Good grief. What's with all the whining? This is about density, not height. These are huge parking lots that can't all be filled with 15 story towers. If this is what's feasible then there is nothing wrong with it. It's easy to say someone has no vision when it's not your money being spent on a huge project. And a $200 million project is not cheap. There are two significant towers about to be built and downtown and the short north have seen significant infill and density being built over the last couple of years filling in innumerable parking craters and you're complaining about height, lol. So you're complaining about so-called whining while whining that not everyone has the same idea of what urban development should be? Ok. 4 stories is not dense. There's not a suburb out there that hasn't built 4 stories. It's simply unacceptable in a downtown area. The AD is part of Downtown. They're not even going as high as the rest of the district. It's lame, underwhelming and a poor use pf space and prime real estate. Good for you if you're happy with that. I'm not required to be, no matter how much money gets spent building it. Edited July 17, 20195 yr by jonoh81
July 17, 20195 yr This article sums up all of the stuff going on in the area pretty well. https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/07/17/northern-arc-downtown-becoming-a-billion-dollar.html Quote The northern cusp of downtown is poised for a boom as multiple development projects converge in the next few years. The plans are impressive in scope: Hundreds of millions of dollars in new development, hundreds of housing units and the city's two newest high-rises will be built in the area between Nationwide Arena and I-670, where the booming Short North, growing downtown and nascent Arena District, Grandview Yard and Franklinton areas converge. In fact, eight projects alone are in development promising $1 billion in investment. "This urban area is as good as any city in America and there's room to grow for the whole neighborhood," said Michael Schiff, principal of Schiff Capital Group and one of the principals on the North Market mixed-use development, which has been in the works for years. "We're lucky to have the growth we've had and it's coming together." The developments come as a result of years of work on a series of projects that made the area of town favorable, including the continued build-out of Grandview Yard, the $140 million renovation of the Greater Columbus Convention Center and continued growth of downtown employers like Nationwide. Here's a rundown of what's under construction and what's planned in this part of downtown: The $220 million, 28-story Hilton Columbus Downtown tower along North High Street is set to break ground next month. The $192 million North Market tower project will construct an approximately 28-story tower at the North Market's parking lot. It'll have apartments, more market space and 90,000 square feet of offices. A $200 million expansion of the Arena District, on what are today gravel lots between Vine and Spruce streets. Details are still being worked out, but long-term plans could mean 500,000 square feet of office space. Chipotle's headquarters would be the first anchor tenant in a 130,000-square-foot building. A $233 million new soccer stadium for the Columbus Crew SC, with substantial commercial and residential components expected around it. An $18 million, 650-space parking garage being constructed now on the other side of the convention center to open in February 2020. The Reach on Goodale, a 21-acre mixed-use development including a $65 million new headquarters for White Castle, is under development to the northwest as well. That site also includes a second office building, amphitheater and apartment complex. Developers say it's intentionally designed to eliminate the "no man's land" where Grandview and Arena District have been separated by highway, river and industrial corridors. The cost of the total development isn't clear. The 13-story, $50 million Canopy by Hilton Columbus hotel at 77 W. Nationwide Blvd., which is fitting out now for an opening next month. An eight-story AC Hotel by Marriott is vertical now at 511 Park St. Building permits put construction at $30 million but fit-out costs are likely to drive the cost up. It should also be noted that a host of nearby developments will undoubtedly contribute to the developments at this one-mile stretch, including the $200 million multi-phase Gravity project and the $240 million CoverMyMeds campusacross the river in Franklinton; the 600-unit Jeffrey Park expansion with 12-story tower just to the north, and continued development in the Short North. "It's a confluence, and we feel good about it," said Brian Ellis, COO of Nationwide Realty Investors Ltd., which has put over a billion dollars into the Arena District since it began in 1997. Edited July 17, 20195 yr by TH3BUDDHA
July 17, 20195 yr 12 hours ago, jonoh81 said: Grandview Yard is taller. There's more height and density at Dublin's Bridge Street District. Very Stable Genius
July 17, 20195 yr 15 hours ago, aderwent said: What happened to the Nationwide that built three skyscrapers in a couple decades? Plaza One - BrubBrubaker/Brandt and Harrison & Abramovitz Plaza Three- NBBJ 280 - I think the same? Anyway, NRI wasn't established until 1997. Very Stable Genius
July 17, 20195 yr Touching on the development others have talked about, in whole, here's a piece today putting it all together. https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/07/17/northern-arc-downtown-becoming-a-billion-dollar.html Northern arc downtown becoming a billion-dollar boom town: Here's what's planned Quote The northern cusp of downtown is poised for a boom as multiple development projects converge in the next few years. In fact, eight projects alone are in development promising $1 billion in investment. Quote Here's a rundown of what's under construction and what's planned in this part of downtown: The $220 million, 28-story Hilton Columbus Downtown tower along North High Street is set to break ground next month. The $192 million North Market tower project will construct an approximately 28-story tower at the North Market's parking lot. It'll have apartments, more market space and 90,000 square feet of offices. A $200 million expansion of the Arena District, on what are today gravel lots between Vine and Spruce streets. Details are still being worked out, but long-term plans could mean 500,000 square feet of office space. Chipotle's headquarters would be the first anchor tenant in a 130,000-square-foot building. A $233 million new soccer stadium for the Columbus Crew SC, with substantial commercial and residential components expected around it. An $18 million, 650-space parking garage being constructed now on the other side of the convention center to open in February 2020. The Reach on Goodale, a 21-acre mixed-use development including a $65 million new headquarters for White Castle, is under development to the northwest as well. That site also includes a second office building, amphitheater and apartment complex. Developers say it's intentionally designed to eliminate the "no man's land" where Grandview and Arena District have been separated by highway, river and industrial corridors. The cost of the total development isn't clear. The 13-story, $50 million Canopy by Hilton Columbus hotel at 77 W. Nationwide Blvd., which is fitting out now for an opening next month. An eight-story AC Hotel by Marriott is vertical now at 511 Park St. Building permits put construction at $30 million but fit-out costs are likely to drive the cost up. Very Stable Genius
July 17, 20195 yr On 4/10/2019 at 4:15 PM, Columbo said: The second of the two 12-story Parks Edge condo buildings were completed last year. Here are some photos of the completed project from https://www.parksedgecondos.com/. I'm only posting exterior views (since that's what most of us want to see here at UO) - but if you're interested there are a bunch of interior images and many views from both of the buildings at https://www.parksedgecondos.com/see-the-project/ And finally, here's of the two Parks Edge buildings and the North Bank Condo Tower viewed as a whole with the city's North Bank Park along the Scioto River downtown: https://www.parksedgecondos.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Parks-Edge-Pricing.7.11.2019.pdf Already, they're down to 8 available condos out of the 151 units, which suggests they greatly underestimated the demand for this area (hey, 100% tax abatements drive up demand - who would have thought??). Hindsight is 20/20 but a bit disappointing they didn't go taller. Very Stable Genius
July 17, 20195 yr 44 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said: https://www.parksedgecondos.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Parks-Edge-Pricing.7.11.2019.pdf Already, they're down to 8 available condos out of the 151 units, which suggests they greatly underestimated the demand for this area (hey, 100% tax abatements drive up demand - who would have thought??). Hindsight is 20/20 but a bit disappointing they didn't go taller. They still have the last plot of land behind those two condo towers to develop. Maybe they will go a bit taller with that one...
July 17, 20195 yr 35 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said: https://www.parksedgecondos.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Parks-Edge-Pricing.7.11.2019.pdf Already, they're down to 8 available condos out of the 151 units, which suggests they greatly underestimated the demand for this area (hey, 100% tax abatements drive up demand - who would have thought??). Hindsight is 20/20 but a bit disappointing they didn't go taller. It's not even hindsight though. A lot of us questioned their limited height, especially on the second building after the first one sold out so quickly. Study after study, statistic after statistic is saying Columbus has very low vacancies, a huge apartment and housing shortage, and no signs of slowing down; and yet our developers continue to propose, and build very underwhelming projects. Some have been outright trash e.g. Edwards at Gay and High. I really don't get it. Easton is going to steal downtown jobs here soon. You don't just say your next round of development is 20-40 floor buildings without at least some talk as to how to fill such buildings. My guess is Easton's developers are in intermediate stage talks with employers to locate to Easton. Existing employers or new ones to Columbus; either way downtown is going to continue to miss out with our small minded developers. Wexner had to go to NYC to find the Georgetown Company to get Easton done and rolling. Perhaps it's time some other visionaries look elsewhere to get some projects of significance on the board.
July 17, 20195 yr Out-of-region developers pay almost no attention to sub-Top-20 Metros. International ones pay zero.
July 17, 20195 yr Despite the growth of Columbus and demand for residential, office, commercial, etc, tall buildings are still having a hard time penciling out. The North Market Tower and Hilton expansion are both publicly supported projects. I'd love to see height, especially in the core of downtown, but there still seems to be a gap that we can't pin only on developers not be visionary.
July 17, 20195 yr 12 hours ago, jonoh81 said: So you're complaining about so-called whining while whining that not everyone has the same idea of what urban development should be? Ok. 4 stories is not dense. There's not a suburb out there that hasn't built 4 stories. It's simply unacceptable in a downtown area. The AD is part of Downtown. They're not even going as high as the rest of the district. It's lame, underwhelming and a poor use pf space and prime real estate. Good for you if you're happy with that. I'm not required to be, no matter how much money gets spent building it. Ok, come up with the money then; $200 million dollars of investment and 500k sqft of office space alone on what could've been a single story Giant Eagle is a positive. And if I don't know what I'm talking about then you REALLY don't have room to complain because you haven't been in Columbus long enough.
July 17, 20195 yr 19 minutes ago, wpcc88 said: Ok, come up with the money then; $200 million dollars of investment and 500k sqft of office space alone on what could've been a single story Giant Eagle is a positive. And if I don't know what I'm talking about then you REALLY don't have room to complain because you haven't been in Columbus long enough. The articles are saying the 500,000 square feet of offices will be on all their remaining Arena District lots combined, not just this one parcel. If Easton is serious about their next phase, and there's no doubt in my mind that they are; then just one of their buildings will have more than 500,000 square feet of offices. Four floors in a "booming" downtown is simply unacceptable. Edited July 17, 20195 yr by aderwent Easton
July 17, 20195 yr 13 minutes ago, wpcc88 said: Ok, come up with the money then; $200 million dollars of investment and 500k sqft of office space alone on what could've been a single story Giant Eagle is a positive. And if I don't know what I'm talking about then you REALLY don't have room to complain because you haven't been in Columbus long enough. So people can only criticize a project if they're paying for it? I don't subscribe to the "good enough" philosophy so prevalent in Columbus and never have. I know there are local issues at play- financing problems, labor and material costs and shortages, few large-scale developers capable of handling big projects, etc., but so many projects just aren't good urbanism, or underwhelming in design, scale or use. Even small projects can be good urbanism (mixed-use, low or no parking, etc) but typically are not. Too many sites are being gobbled up by sub-par development. If we're at all serious about tackling the housing issues or if we really want expanded transit in Columbus, real density has to be developed. That means a lot more 10+ story projects and a lot fewer 5-story or less projects. I've said it before, but we only get one opportunity to do these projects right and then we have to live with them for the next 50 years. I'm a native of Columbus and spent most of my life there. I literally study every conceivable facet of its growth, history and demographic nature. I'm pretty sure I know it.
July 17, 20195 yr 52 minutes ago, GCrites80s said: Out-of-region developers pay almost no attention to sub-Top-20 Metros. International ones pay zero. Doesn't seem to be an issue in Nashville or Austin.
July 17, 20195 yr 5 hours ago, aderwent said: It's not even hindsight though. A lot of us questioned their limited height, especially on the second building after the first one sold out so quickly. Study after study, statistic after statistic is saying Columbus has very low vacancies, a huge apartment and housing shortage, and no signs of slowing down; and yet our developers continue to propose, and build very underwhelming projects. Some have been outright trash e.g. Edwards at Gay and High. I really don't get it. Easton is going to steal downtown jobs here soon. You don't just say your next round of development is 20-40 floor buildings without at least some talk as to how to fill such buildings. My guess is Easton's developers are in intermediate stage talks with employers to locate to Easton. Existing employers or new ones to Columbus; either way downtown is going to continue to miss out with our small minded developers. Wexner had to go to NYC to find the Georgetown Company to get Easton done and rolling. Perhaps it's time some other visionaries look elsewhere to get some projects of significance on the board. Chipotle's other option was Easton. They chose the arena district. I don't know all the factors that went into the decision, but obviously downtown has appeal.
July 18, 20195 yr We're complaining about this being 4 floors but if Chipotle is the tenant with 200+ employees I don't see how this would justify a tall office building. It's not like they're moving thousands of workers to downtown Columbus to need all that space. I'm not sure people are clamoring to live or work in a tall building overlooking a freeway and the thing across the street that helps deodorize the sewer system either. I think the price points that this market can support also hinder bigger projects, we're lucky to still have rents in some of the new buildings under $1,000 a month or only slightly over. I moved here from Portland which has a lot of 12-15 story apartments going up and a few taller condos between 20-35 floors. All those buildings have extremely high rents to support the construction costs. Here's a one bedroom for sale in the condo on the right: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1150-NW-Quimby-St-310-Portland-OR-97209/2087020102_zpid/? $608,000... I don't think people here would pay that to live downtown. The condos in Columbus that cost that much are at least two or three bedroom units. If you want the taller buildings, we're going to have to find people who will pay enough to live in them. There's clearly demand in the Short North for high rent to build nice buildings like Hubbard Park Place but Downtown isn't there yet. Here are some rental examples that have two bedrooms in taller infill projects that have units renting around $9,000 / month. https://www.hollandresidential.com/or/portland/the-rodney/floor-plans/ https://www.block17apartments.com/#! I don't think anyone would rent that in Columbus for a developer to justify a taller structure. We should focus on getting rid of our surface lots with good urbanism first. It's also probably good idea to keep building housing types people can actually afford. 7 hours ago, jonoh81 said: Doesn't seem to be an issue in Nashville or Austin. Both of those cities are growing at a much faster rate than Columbus and are in cities that have marketed themselves and capitalized on having a cool local culture. When I told most of my friends I was moving to Columbus for work the reaction was either "Where is that?" or "Ew, Ohio?!" The Midwest in general still has a negative perception in most places, which probably makes things a little harder for Columbus even though people who know or have been here know it's not like Detroit, Cleveland, or Buffalo. Whatever Nationwide ends up proposing in this location I'm sure it will be decent just like the rest of their buildings in the Arena District. We'll probably continue to see most of our taller buildings get built along High Street when they do get built.
July 18, 20195 yr 8 minutes ago, cityscapes said: Here's a one bedroom for sale in the condo on the right: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1150-NW-Quimby-St-310-Portland-OR-97209/2087020102_zpid/? $608,000... I don't think people here would pay that to live downtown. The condos in Columbus that cost that much are at least two or three bedroom units. https://www.parksedgecondos.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Parks-Edge-Pricing.7.11.2019.pdf https://www.parksedgecondos.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Floorplans-Building-Layouts.pdf Parks Edge very quickly sold out of 2 bedroom condos going in the $800k-$900k range. Much like the developer, you're severely underestimating demand based on perception/history. Very Stable Genius
July 18, 20195 yr 36 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said: https://www.parksedgecondos.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Parks-Edge-Pricing.7.11.2019.pdf https://www.parksedgecondos.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Floorplans-Building-Layouts.pdf Parks Edge very quickly sold out of 2 bedroom condos going in the $800k-$900k range. Much like the developer, you're severely underestimating demand based on perception/history. You just kind of proved my point though, the units that are left are the most expensive ones on the upper floors. The lower floor units sold for between $400-600,000, if you check Zillow or the Franklin County Auditor. My example was a $600,000 ONE BEDROOM, here that's what people are paying for a two bedroom. I'm not saying Columbus doesn't have the demand, but to have a lot of these buildings get built we'll need a lot more people willing to spend very high prices on condos at a time when banks are reluctant to lend for these types of buildings after what happened during the recession. That's why you see all the wood construction low rises being built as rentals. It's a cheaper and safer investment.
July 18, 20195 yr Apartments and Offices Planned for Arena District Parking Lot A parking lot on the northern edge of the Arena District is now slated to be redeveloped with a four-story office building, a 150-unit apartment building and a 600-space parking garage. Although Nationwide Really Investors (NRI) declared the Arena District “complete” when the Parks Edge condominium buildings were first proposed in 2015, the developer has continued to pursue opportunities to expand the neighborhood beyond the original 75 acres of land that it controlled when Nationwide Area opened in 2000. The latest addition will be built on the east side of Neil Avenue, between Spruce and Vine streets. Carli Lanfersiek, Marketing Director for NRI, said that the office building will be the first of the three structures to be built and will contain a total of 130,000 square feet of space. Chipotle has signed on as the anchor tenant, likely filling the top three floors of the building. More below: https://www.columbusunderground.com/apartments-and-offices-planned-for-arena-district-parking-lot-bw1 "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
September 9, 20195 yr Small update, as of today, Parks Edge has 7 units left for sale of the total 151 units that make up the towers. https://www.parksedgecondos.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Parks-Edge-Pricing.9.9.2019.pdf Personally, I would have to imagine we will be seeing some movement soon on Phase III... I just can't imagine they will let that prime of a lot sit empty much longer.
September 9, 20195 yr ^Why did they build it so small in the first place if this is the demand? (Rhetorical question) Very Stable Genius
September 9, 20195 yr Just now, DarkandStormy said: ^Why did they build it so small in the first place if this is the demand? (Rhetorical question) So they could build a 30-story tower on the remaining lot and still have views of the river front for half of the floors obviously.
September 10, 20195 yr 3 hours ago, cbussoccer said: So they could build a 30-story tower on the remaining lot and still have views of the river front for half of the floors obviously. If only!
September 10, 20195 yr I'll bet whatever is built will match the 8 story height of the existing buildings just north of the site on McConnell Blvd.
September 10, 20195 yr 10 minutes ago, Pablo said: I'll bet whatever is built will match the 8 story height of the existing buildings just north of the site on McConnell Blvd. If I had to guess, I's sadly agree. I remember reading a while back that NRI wanted the final plot to be a blend of Parks Edge and the brick condos along McConell. While I would personally love to see them give us another North Bank tower there, I do agree they'll give us a Parks Edge lite on that plot. It's a shame because NRI has the financial ability to go big but they love their mid/lowrises so much... It's shocking we ever even got North Bank Tower.
September 10, 20195 yr 4 minutes ago, Pablo said: I'll bet whatever is built will match the 8 story height of the existing buildings just north of the site on McConnell Blvd. I refuse to believe that it will be anything less than 30-stories because that's what I want. On a separate note...I wonder if/when we will see the numerous one story suburban-style office buildings west of Neil be replaced by taller and more urban structures. With Crew stadium being built, along with its surrounding mixed-use development, these lots will continue to increase in value. I think a hotel (or mixed-use building which includes a hotel component) would do great along Nationwide between Hanover and Neil. A hotel at the corner of Nationwide and Neil would have an awesome view of Huntington Park, be very close to the new Crew Stadium, Nationwide Arena, and Express Live, and reasonably to the Convention Center/North Market. I'm sure it would get a ton of business from out of town sports fans and concert-goers, and depending on the quality it could be the primary option for visiting sports teams and musicians.
September 11, 20195 yr 23 hours ago, Pablo said: I'll bet whatever is built will match the 8 story height of the existing buildings just north of the site on McConnell Blvd. Unfortunately, I think you are correct. It will probably match the McPherson Commons brick buildings in height and style-it will match them instead of matching the line along Spring.
September 18, 20195 yr Yeah right, he'd say it would be done in six months but we'd be sitting here in 2039 waiting on THE FUTURE
September 18, 20195 yr 16 hours ago, TH3BUDDHA said: Anybody know what the boring is for over near the 300 Spruce building? Utility work I would guess..
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