July 12, 201014 yr I would actually spread this positive vibe out beyond Cincinnati - it seems that the downtowns (Dayton is prob. the exception) of most of Ohio's big cities seemed poised to really recapture their pride of place in their regions when the economy picks up. no offense to the rest of Ohio's major cities, but who else has anything close to the number of major projects in the pipeline as Cincinnati?
July 12, 201014 yr I would actually spread this positive vibe out beyond Cincinnati - it seems that the downtowns (Dayton is prob. the exception) of most of Ohio's big cities seemed poised to really recapture their pride of place in their regions when the economy picks up. How is Dayton the exception if there are projects in the pipeline when it gets more money that will help infill downtown like every other city in the state? http://www.downtown-dayton.com/plan/ "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
July 12, 201014 yr I would actually spread this positive vibe out beyond Cincinnati - it seems that the downtowns (Dayton is prob. the exception) of most of Ohio's big cities seemed poised to really recapture their pride of place in their regions when the economy picks up. no offense to the rest of Ohio's major cities, but who else has anything close to the number of major projects in the pipeline as Cincinnati? Downtown Columbus is practically mirroring Cincinnati's projects (riverfront park, central square rehab, downtown townhouses, capping I-71). http://www.downtowncolumbus.com/progress I don't know if Columbus or Cincinnati is spending more downtown but both cities are doing the damn thing, projects-wise. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
July 12, 201014 yr The Columbus stuff is exciting, but I have not warmed up to the Gay Street housing stuff that is going on. It seems like a nice enough development, but it feels out of place to me--I guess I'd prefer to see infill that is more in the type of 3-10 story buildings than the townhome developments.
July 12, 201014 yr Downtown Dayton is doing fine; I don't know what dmerkow is referring to. It lost many businesses but it also gained businesses. And when the economy picks up, it'll be fine like the rest of the state. The Gay Street Condos are out-of-place, agreed, but to be fair, that area before the 70's was low-rise, 2-3 story townhouses (an extension of the German and Italian Villages). The context today is out-of-sync but it's historically accurate. For a look at old downtown Columbus, check out the old rows and townhomes along Town, Main, and Rich Streets towards Franklin University. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
July 12, 201014 yr I would actually spread this positive vibe out beyond Cincinnati - it seems that the downtowns (Dayton is prob. the exception) of most of Ohio's big cities seemed poised to really recapture their pride of place in their regions when the economy picks up. no offense to the rest of Ohio's major cities, but who else has anything close to the number of major projects in the pipeline as Cincinnati? Downtown Columbus is practically mirroring Cincinnati's projects (riverfront park, central square rehab, downtown townhouses, capping I-71). http://www.downtowncolumbus.com/progress I don't know if Columbus or Cincinnati is spending more downtown but both cities are doing the damn thing, projects-wise. Two main differences, No Casino Downtown and no project timeline or funding for Streetcar
July 12, 201014 yr Downtown Dayton is doing fine; I don't know what dmerkow is referring to. It lost many businesses but it also gained businesses. And when the economy picks up, it'll be fine like the rest of the state. The Gay Street Condos are out-of-place, agreed, but to be fair, that area before the 70's was low-rise, 2-3 story townhouses (an extension of the German and Italian Villages). The context today is out-of-sync but it's historically accurate. For a look at old downtown Columbus, check out the old rows and townhomes along Town, Main, and Rich Streets towards Franklin University. Yeah, and it beats the alternative--it's hard to complain about projects bringing housing and residents to the urban core. Of course, we always want more...
July 12, 201014 yr Downtown Dayton seems to lacks the centripetal forces that benefit the other dt's of the state (or so see it seems from the 71 corridor). The economic energy of the Dayton region seems to stretch along the 675 corridor rather than 75. Cincy/Cbus, and Toledo's dt's are all centrally located regionally if even the regional growth isn't quite as a evenly distributed to the benefits of those dt's as it could be.
July 12, 201014 yr If you are talking about decentralization, sure. Dayton and Youngstown are Ohio's most decentralized metropolitan areas ala Detroit. But the downtown is still the region's largest employment center and is still the center of the metro. Sure, there are offices along I-675 but I can't point to any area along it (maybe Wright-Patt/Fairborn) that is an "office center." Just scattered low-rise buildings. I'd like to point out that Dayton has built two largest commercial office buildings downtown within the past five years (Relizon and CareSource) while other downtowns in Ohio have not (except the 3C's, of course). Thus, downtown Dayton will be fine. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
July 12, 201014 yr I would actually spread this positive vibe out beyond Cincinnati - it seems that the downtowns (Dayton is prob. the exception) of most of Ohio's big cities seemed poised to really recapture their pride of place in their regions when the economy picks up. no offense to the rest of Ohio's major cities, but who else has anything close to the number of major projects in the pipeline as Cincinnati? Downtown Columbus is practically mirroring Cincinnati's projects (riverfront park, central square rehab, downtown townhouses, capping I-71). http://www.downtowncolumbus.com/progress I don't know if Columbus or Cincinnati is spending more downtown but both cities are doing the damn thing, projects-wise. Two main differences, No Casino Downtown and no project timeline or funding for Streetcar Well, one can also make the same line with "No Arena District expansion or no large convention center/hotel expansion." And Columbus is still getting a casino, just not downtown ;). The point is, both Cincinnati and Columbus have large-scaled projects going on downtown in this horrendous economy and it's great to see that. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
July 12, 201014 yr Downtown Dayton is doing fine; I don't know what dmerkow is referring to. It lost many businesses but it also gained businesses. And when the economy picks up, it'll be fine like the rest of the state. The Gay Street Condos are out-of-place, agreed, but to be fair, that area before the 70's was low-rise, 2-3 story townhouses (an extension of the German and Italian Villages). The context today is out-of-sync but it's historically accurate. For a look at old downtown Columbus, check out the old rows and townhomes along Town, Main, and Rich Streets towards Franklin University. Yeah, and it beats the alternative--it's hard to complain about projects bringing housing and residents to the urban core. Of course, we always want more... Agreed. I wish it were (sort-of) Vancouver-ish lining 3rd, 4th, Gay, and Long Streets instead of those (nice) townhomes but hey, we'll take what we can get LOL!!! It's better than that $5 a-day parking it used to be behind that church! "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
July 12, 201014 yr Back on topic.... it seems like a waste of money to me that they stripped the asphalt in this area only to lay new down. I understand it'll still be used as parking for sometime but what was there was adequate enough I'd think. "It's just fate, as usual, keeping its bargain and screwing us in the fine print..." - John Crichton
July 12, 201014 yr ^Yea but construction workers know best though when it comes to that. It's all covered in the budget anyway, might as well make it new;)
July 13, 201014 yr ^I was actually going to come in here and post about it after I saw that today. I was worried that it implied the park was going to be set back a bit. I guess it's their money. Stimulates the economy, I suppose!
July 13, 201014 yr Perhaps, anticipating Bengals home games maybe? Asphalt is relatively cheap to replace in return for lessening your liability of trip hazards and such from old broken up, half gravel lots. Not sure, but I doubt this would bust the budget anyway. They could probably even recoup that money from the 8 (or possibly more) home games this year that charge our suburban friends 40 bucks a car!! :-D
July 13, 201014 yr Just got back from Forecastle Fest in Louisville and spend a bunch of the time thinking how having a festival like that would be such a better experience in this park with the City as the backdrop! Back on topic.... it seems like a waste of money to me that they stripped the asphalt in this area only to lay new down. I understand it'll still be used as parking for sometime but what was there was adequate enough I'd think. I think there is something in the Banks agreement that they have to keep the same amount of parking available at all times. Although I thought this was accomplished when they opened the garage. Also it's going to be a few years before they get to that part of the park anyway. By that time the asphalt will probably be looking a little worn. “All truly great thoughts are conceived while walking.” -Friedrich Nietzsche
July 13, 201014 yr Asphalt is 90% recyclable. Might as well rip it up and re-do it, given the opportunity.
July 14, 201014 yr The Thursday Enquirer will include an article on the unveiling of detailed plans and renderings for the Moerlein Lager House. It might make the evening news as well on Wednesday. Sorry, don't have any previews to share other than the interior will be more traditional/historic than the modern exterior.
July 14, 201014 yr Moerlein Lager House details released today By Lisa Bernard-Kuhn • [email protected] • July 14, 2010 DOWNTOWN – New details about a 1,100-seat microbrewery and restaurant planned for Cincinnati’s riverfront are slated to be released Wednesday morning. An 11 a.m. press conference is scheduled at the Reds Hall of Fame where planners expect to unveil the latest developments for the Moerlein Lager House – a two-story restaurant planned by Christian Moerlein Brewing Co. at the 45-acre Cincinnati Riverfront Park that’s under construction now. "It's just fate, as usual, keeping its bargain and screwing us in the fine print..." - John Crichton
July 14, 201014 yr Moerlein Lager House will open next year By Lisa Bernard-Kuhn • [email protected] • July 14, 2010 Construction of an 1,100-seat microbrewery and restaurant planned for Cincinnati’s riverfront is expected to begin this fall with plans to open the venue by August next year. On Wednesday, developers released new renderings and its lineup of local business partners for the Moerlein Lager House, a two-story, $4 million restaurant planned for the first phase of Cincinnati Riverfront Park. The hours of operation will be 11 a.m. to midnight Sunday through Wednesday; 11 a.m. to 2 a.m. Thursday through Saturday. cont. Drawings "It's just fate, as usual, keeping its bargain and screwing us in the fine print..." - John Crichton
July 14, 201014 yr It looks cool, but the outdoor dining space is way too small. Seating for 600 supposedly...that doesn't sound too shabby to me. ps. anyone see those wide stairs leading up to the terrace in the rendering? yeah, I can't wait to stumble down those :wink:
July 14, 201014 yr ^really? It doesn't look that big. They do seem to have 3 separate areas, so maybe together they hold 600. I guess I just expected to see one huge hofbrauhaus-style bier garten.
July 14, 201014 yr Does anyone think seating for 1,100 is a bit large, especially when the plan is to surround the whole development with other bars and restaurants? I also wonder if Rock Bottom or the Hofbrauhaus will suffer as a result of this?
July 14, 201014 yr I'd rather there be 1 huge LOCAL establishment. Rock Bottom and Hoffbrau are both chains. However, I doubt either will suffer or that 1100 will be too big.
July 14, 201014 yr This is going to be awesome - I can only imagine what it's going to be like on game days.
July 15, 201014 yr Does anyone think seating for 1,100 is a bit large, especially when the plan is to surround the whole development with other bars and restaurants? I also wonder if Rock Bottom or the Hofbrauhaus will suffer as a result of this? Some of the capacity is standing room type/overflow capacity for pre- and post-games. Also, the outdoor areas won't be used the entire year.
July 15, 201014 yr As great as I think the Moerlein establishment will be, I'm pretty underwhelmed by the design of the building. The best I can say for it is it seems like it doesn't compete visually with the park/stadium.
July 15, 201014 yr No doubt this place will be popular on game days. Hopefully the resurgence of the Reds will turn out to be an extended period of division titles, pennants and/or World Championships...or if nothing else at least September contentions. This would provide a wild game day atmosphere for years to come, no doubt. MLH will probably be a popular Bengals pre-gamer venue too since it is well within walking distance of PBS.
July 15, 201014 yr Speaking of the Reds, do you think the existence of the Moerlein Brewpub (and the park/Banks in general) will increase attendance? Seems like people would be more interested in going to games knowing there is a lively atmosphere within easy walking distance. Along those lines, couldn't this development also reduce some of the rush game day traffic since people would be more likely to linger before/after a game? "Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago." - Warren Buffett
July 15, 201014 yr I agree, I think the fan experience was hurt when the bar district in what is now the Banks was torn down for the stadia and the Banks.
July 23, 201014 yr I took this with my iPhone at GABP. I believe the wall across the street is the foundation for the Moerlein Brewpub. PBS looks at sunset.
July 24, 201014 yr I agree, I think the fan experience was hurt when the bar district in what is now the Banks was torn down for the stadia and the Banks. How much time did you spend at Flanagan's Landing during grade school? Because I was in Caddy's like it was my job.
July 24, 201014 yr I swear it used to have an e. It looks like they dropped it: http://www.oldspaghettifactory.com/history/history.html I love the business model. There, in the bottoms of a rotting industrial city near you, the The Old Spaghetti Factory hugged you.
July 24, 201014 yr Which explains why it moved out to Forest Fair mall when they closed the downtown location.
July 25, 201014 yr ^Yep. Was there at the Cincy Mall location a couple weeks back. Depressing surroundings.
July 29, 201014 yr I swear it used to have an e. It looks like they dropped it: http://www.oldspaghettifactory.com/history/history.html I love the business model. There, in the bottoms of a rotting industrial city near you, the The Old Spaghetti Factory hugged you. Have you looked at their website?! 1.) The background image is a trolley. BOONDOGGLE!!! 2.) Their original location was in Portland, Oregon. We don't need that Pacific Northwest hipster junk in OUR downtown!!! Plus, Downtown Cincinnati is totally different than Portland. Just because this restaurant was successful in Portland doesn't mean it's going to be successful in Cincinnati!!! I think it's a risky investment. This is a joke.
August 19, 201014 yr A ‘how it’s made’ on Cincinnati’s Riverfront Park Thursday, August 19, 2010, 12:34pm EDT If you like to go behind the scenes and learn how things are built, check out the latest construction update video for Cincinnati’s Riverfront Park. Project Manager Dave Prather describes in a highly detailed video hard-hat tour how things are moving on the creation of the new 45-acre park that will hug the Ohio River. http://cincinnati.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/blog/2010/08/a_how_its_made_on_cincinnatis_riverfront_park.html
August 21, 201014 yr Here is the update video: TAKE A GOOD LOOK! Cincinnati Riverfront Park Summer/Fall Construction Update It's pretty exciting seeing their progress. May 2011 is less than a year away!
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