August 3, 20186 yr Councilman McCormack is writing up some legislation to afford greater protection to street trees citywide. I have offered to testify or do whatever else I can to help and to be involved in it. But PUCO doesn't seem to give us a lot of rights, even on private property, and I doubt the City has enough clout to stop them doing what they want. I don't really know how to trump them, maybe we need state legislature involved- but that takes time and FE is moving fast through the near westside. I get the feeling it's a strategy- move fast, wreck up the joint, and be gone before anyone can organize resistance. BTW, any Ohio City residents, it sounds like you're next. So get the word out to your neighbors. There is supposed to be a public meeting (I don't think the date and time are set) for you before the chainsaws start going. There wasn't for Tremont, and in fact we never got the notification door hangars we were supposed to. Don't expect the meeting to slow them, or blunt their approach- they've rolled right on cutting today in Tremont despite all the complaints.
August 3, 20186 yr I guess I don’t fully know who is responsible for what...but why isn’t CPP responsible for maintaining these poles and lines?
August 3, 20186 yr These are FirstEnergy/Illuminating Company lines being trimmed. They each maintain their own lines. Potentially CPP could come through and do the same thing in another wave of "trimming".
August 3, 20186 yr These are FirstEnergy/Illuminating Company lines being trimmed. They each maintain their own lines. Potentially CPP could come through and do the same thing in another wave of "trimming". I always assumed everything in CPP’s service area was theirs and everything in CEI’s was theirs. Huh.
August 3, 20186 yr These are FirstEnergy/Illuminating Company lines being trimmed. They each maintain their own lines. Potentially CPP could come through and do the same thing in another wave of "trimming". I always assumed everything in CPP’s service area was theirs and everything in CEI’s was theirs. Huh. Residents of Cleveland proper can choose either First Energy service or CPP. As a result in Cleveland proper only the service areas of both companies overlap and the poles of both companies are in the same areas.
August 4, 20186 yr These are FirstEnergy/Illuminating Company lines being trimmed. They each maintain their own lines. Potentially CPP could come through and do the same thing in another wave of "trimming". I always assumed everything in CPP’s service area was theirs and everything in CEI’s was theirs. Huh. Residents of Cleveland proper can choose either First Energy service or CPP. As a result in Cleveland proper only the service areas of both companies overlap and the poles of both companies are in the same areas. Interesting! I lived downtown for a while and just bought a place in OHC. When I called First Energy to set up electric service they told me I had to call CPP ??♂️ Anyway...
August 4, 20186 yr These are FirstEnergy/Illuminating Company lines being trimmed. They each maintain their own lines. Potentially CPP could come through and do the same thing in another wave of "trimming". I always assumed everything in CPP’s service area was theirs and everything in CEI’s was theirs. Huh. Residents of Cleveland proper can choose either First Energy service or CPP. As a result in Cleveland proper only the service areas of both companies overlap and the poles of both companies are in the same areas. Interesting! I lived downtown for a while and just bought a place in OHC. When I called First Energy to set up electric service they told me I had to call CPP ??♂️ Anyway... If you live in an apartment or condo building and the landlord or developer picked CPP, you are stuck with CPP and vice versa. For example, when we renovated The Amertrust complex it had CEI (first energy) service. We ripped out all of their equipment and signed up with CPP because they essentially provide for free all new transformers needed.
August 4, 20186 yr Growing up I remember hearing about CPP on the news surrounding Dennis! As I grew older, I always thought CPP was just an aggregator--selling power to hundreds of thousands of customers without actually performing transmission duties. It was only recently that I realized that CPP has their own grid--after a thunderstorm there were neighbors on First Energy who had power, while those up the street on CPP were without. It all seems very stupid--in an aging city filled with infrastructure to maintain, I can't believe it makes sense to maintain two grids. And I'm probably right....
August 6, 20186 yr Growing up I remember hearing about CPP on the news surrounding Dennis! As I grew older, I always thought CPP was just an aggregator--selling power to hundreds of thousands of customers without actually performing transmission duties. It was only recently that I realized that CPP has their own grid--after a thunderstorm there were neighbors on First Energy who had power, while those up the street on CPP were without. It all seems very stupid--in an aging city filled with infrastructure to maintain, I can't believe it makes sense to maintain two grids. And I'm probably right.... Well the aging city maintains its one and only grid, while a private enterprise, First Energy maintains its own. So no one is maintaining two grids.
August 6, 20186 yr "Directional pruning" is technically the proper way to prune trees to keep them away from power lines. You cannot just cut branches back some distance from the wires (known as "topping" the tree) because this exposes the tree to disease and results in structural integrity loss: https://www.plantamnesty.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=170:powerlines&catid=20:site-content
August 6, 20186 yr Growing up I remember hearing about CPP on the news surrounding Dennis! As I grew older, I always thought CPP was just an aggregator--selling power to hundreds of thousands of customers without actually performing transmission duties. It was only recently that I realized that CPP has their own grid--after a thunderstorm there were neighbors on First Energy who had power, while those up the street on CPP were without. It all seems very stupid--in an aging city filled with infrastructure to maintain, I can't believe it makes sense to maintain two grids. And I'm probably right.... Well the aging city maintains its one and only grid, while a private enterprise, First Energy maintains its own. So no one is maintaining two grids. You are correct, no one entity maintains both grids--but there are in fact two grids, often in the same locations side by side.
August 6, 20186 yr It might do Cleveland well to sell off CPP but it exists for patronage jobs... I was on hold with CPP for 1 hour and 38 mins today
August 6, 20186 yr It might do Cleveland well to sell off CPP but it exists for patronage jobs... I was on hold with CPP for 1 hour and 38 mins today They most be moving people over from the water dept!
August 6, 20186 yr CPP rates were supposed to be cheaper than CEI's for residents and businesses in the city---that's why Kucinich fought to keep it. Anyone know the current residential and commercial rates lower per kWh for both CPP and CEI?
August 6, 20186 yr CPP rates were supposed to be cheaper than CEI's for residents and businesses in the city---that's why Kucinich fought to keep it. Anyone know the current residential and commercial rates lower per kWh for both CPP and CEI? I think CPP was cheaper back then but is has become more expensive due to mismanagement.
August 6, 20186 yr "Directional pruning" is technically the proper way to prune trees to keep them away from power lines. You cannot just cut branches back some distance from the wires (known as "topping" the tree) because this exposes the tree to disease and results in structural integrity loss: https://www.plantamnesty.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=170:powerlines&catid=20:site-content Bullsh-t, they did it the other way for a very long time. And looking at the results of "directional pruning", it's a damned laugh to suggest that they have maintained the trees' structural integrity. But I'm sure it's cheaper to hack back the trees every few years than to do a more considered pruning more often.
August 7, 20186 yr CPP rates were supposed to be cheaper than CEI's for residents and businesses in the city---that's why Kucinich fought to keep it. Anyone know the current residential and commercial rates lower per kWh for both CPP and CEI? I think CPP was cheaper back then but is has become more expensive due to mismanagement. CPPs rates are set by City Ordinance, which hasn’t changed since 1983 as far as I can tell. CEI’s standard offer rates are currently cheaper than CPP’s (I think), and then when you get into the whole apples to apples thing...yeah. I believe the theory behind CPP was to ensure that rates were affordable for the city’s residents and businesses by providing a sort of baseline price for service. But with the whole natural gas boom and all current prices are pretty low. EDIT* There is the whole CPP class action lawsuit though too, for charging some ambiguous and maybe illegal adjustment fee
August 12, 20186 yr Apparently First Energy is to blame for the massive CPP power outage to Cleveland's west side.... https://articles.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2018/08/west_side_cleveland_public_pow.amp "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 12, 20186 yr The Facebook posts about the outage have been hilarious. Apparently you can die if your fan isn't blowing on you. Any car that goes down a street a 2nd time is a cat burglar. And CPP owes everyone new groceries!
August 12, 20186 yr I thought it was funny how catty CPP and CEI were getting with each other. It’s your fault. No it’s YOUR fault!
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