If mold and water damage were/are in issue, you should be able to smell the mustiness and feel moisture in the air.

Well this is just me, but when I read the following statement "It is unfortunate and disappointing that the unsubstantiated ramblings of a disgruntled construction worker would garner such credibility."

 

I take it to mean they are saying the rumor was a load of crap... but again, that's just how I interpret it.

 

But isn't that what somebody would say that is trying to deny a problem that could be very damaging?

(I mean its only unsubstantiated because nobody has substantiated it, which doesn't automatically make it not true)

Well this is just me, but when I read the following statement "It is unfortunate and disappointing that the unsubstantiated ramblings of a disgruntled construction worker would garner such credibility."

 

I take it to mean they are saying the rumor was a load of crap... but again, that's just how I interpret it.

 

Agreed.  That's how I took it.  If lionmilk wants further assurances, I would go to K&D corporate and call carl monday.  ;)

 

If mold and water damage were/are in issue, you should be able to smell the mustiness and feel moisture in the air.

 

Not always true and not everyones "senses" are the same.  My brother had mold on the entire side of his house.  Two levels, seven people live in the house and nobody could smell it.

If lionmilk wants further assurances, I would go to K&D corporate and call carl monday.  ;)

 

Who is Carl? :) Don't get me wrong, I am just trying to know him. And could you do it not just for me but for all the residences who will pay around ~$1000 for an apartment.

Well this is just me, but when I read the following statement "It is unfortunate and disappointing that the unsubstantiated ramblings of a disgruntled construction worker would garner such credibility."

 

I take it to mean they are saying the rumor was a load of crap... but again, that's just how I interpret it.

 

Agreed. That's how I took it. If lionmilk wants further assurances, I would go to K&D corporate and call carl monday. ;)

 

If mold and water damage were/are in issue, you should be able to smell the mustiness and feel moisture in the air.

 

Not always true and not everyones "senses" are the same. My brother had mold on the entire side of his house. Two levels, seven people live in the house and nobody could smell it.

 

More what I meant is that if there is as much water as that Pee Dee poster said there was, you'd definitely notice something.

Well this is just me, but when I read the following statement "It is unfortunate and disappointing that the unsubstantiated ramblings of a disgruntled construction worker would garner such credibility."

 

I take it to mean they are saying the rumor was a load of crap... but again, that's just how I interpret it.

 

Agreed.  That's how I took it.  If lionmilk wants further assurances, I would go to K&D corporate and call carl monday.  ;)

 

If mold and water damage were/are in issue, you should be able to smell the mustiness and feel moisture in the air.

 

Not always true and not everyones "senses" are the same.  My brother had mold on the entire side of his house.  Two levels, seven people live in the house and nobody could smell it.

 

More what I meant is that if there is as much water as that Pee Dee poster said there was, you'd definitely notice something.

 

ohhhh...yes...now I get you!  ;)

Well I know everybody is going to chuckle given the problems in the City of Cleveland Building Department, but don't they need to do a final inspection in order to issue an occupancy permit.  Would not mold and water damage as extensive as described in the post come to light during such an inspection?

I find it odd that the person who first started this conversation hasn't followed up.

I find it odd that the person who first started this conversation hasn't followed up.

 

It says he's online right now.  Get out your whip, grand master!

I find it odd that the person who first started this conversation hasn't followed up.

 

OK!!  Exactly and has LionMilk all in tizzie!

Well I know everybody is going to chuckle given the problems in the City of Cleveland Building Department, but don't they need to do a final inspection in order to issue an occupancy permit.  Would not mold and water damage as extensive as described in the post come to light during such an inspection?

 

That's what I was worried about. K&D/city inspectores  :wink: 

I find it odd that the person who first started this conversation hasn't followed up.

 

It says he's online right now.  Get out your whip, grand master!

 

Grand Master Flash is on UO?  UO is really popular!

In terms of K&D's statement being sufficient, if you can prove that the post actually came from K&D or one of its agents (and it sounds like K&D is admitting that it is in fact their statement) then I would think you have enough . . . . A question was posed.  They chose to affirmatively respond to it, and even if they didn't directly address the issue, the fact that they gave assurances regarding the quality of the construction in the face of mold allegations, I would think, is enough.  They could have elected to stay quiet and let things play out.  Instead, they chose to respond to the allegations.  As such, if they lied, they could end up in a pretty bad spot. 

I'm also a little surprised we are giving so much credit to a posting on cleveland.com.  Think about that one for a second.  Also, I know someone who was walked through the building last week when meeting with some people regarding the building... He never mentioned anything to me about significant water damage being everywhere... the way that comment sounded it would be pretty impossible to not notice.  I think that whole post was BS.

It very well may have been an unfounded rumor . . . but then again, if it was bogus, you would think instead of coming on this forum and posting a bunch of meaningless PR drivel, K&D would've either just ignored it or said something to the effect of, "The allegations of water damage and mold are not true."

 

If this rumor is in fact a lie, K&D has only itself to blame for causing it to spread.

Wellll, they also have people who give credibility to potentially libelous posts from an unmoderated site like cleveland.com to blame. Granted, I believe you were posting out of legitimate concern, but this site isn't the most ideal arena to settle legal issues.

 

Just an fyi, the Admins can see where all posts are coming from (IP addresses, etc.). 

Well also I'm sure potential tenants wouldn't have taken it seriously at all had K&D not already had some questionable business practices (cutting corners, and bribing city inspectors etc.)

 

Thus why I kind of found it humorous that they would make this comment:

"It is unfortunate and disappointing that the unsubstantiated ramblings of a disgruntled construction worker would garner such credibility."

 

To me, they somewhat gave reason to question their credibility when one of their own was indicted for bribery of a city inspector. 

 

Alright, I'll lay off K&D now....

 

I'm really not concerned about people being able to see where posts are coming from.  For the record, I'm not exactly sure why it's so taboo for the future residents of this building to be discussing their legitimate concerns about the project on this forum.  No one has given credence to anything posted on Cleveland.com.  We've simply raised the issue as an area of concern and discussed how we might try to approach it with the building manager.  It's not a legal issue.  It's a community issue and we're trying to resolve it as a community of future residents. 

I'm really not concerned about people being able to see where posts are coming from. For the record, I'm not exactly sure why it's so taboo for the future residents of this building to be discussing their legitimate concerns about the project on this forum. No one has given credence to anything posted on Cleveland.com. We've simply raised the issue as an area of concern and discussed how we might try to approach it with the building manager. It's not a legal issue. It's a community issue and we're trying to resolve it as a community of future residents.

 

We just prefer facts over rumors around here, that's all :)

How can you say it's taboo when we've been discussing it for over a page, including several mods?  If it was taboo, it'd be gone. 

 

That said, the rumor sounds ridiculous.  How does an apartment fill up with 3" of water?  Are they building aquarium apartments?  Does anyone think that this cleveland.com poster should have to present a shred of evidence to back up this allegation?

Here's my take on the K&D statement (just reading b/t the lines) -

 

1) There was some issue with water coming into the building

2) That issue either was completely remediated or was not serious enough to warrant any concern for the health of future residents

A little update while walking by yesterday...

 

1.  Installation of windows on the East side of the building is coming along nicely.

2.  The big windows on the 3rd floor of the Euclid side are beginning to be installed, and restoration of the facade is progressing nicely.

3.  They have begun creating openings for the windows on the East wall.

4.  Work continues on the pit, errrrr plaza.

3.  They have begun creating openings for the windows on the East West wall.

 

Correct?

I hope the brick is cleaned on these walls. I know they were never meant to be exposed... But when you have the nice front finish...and then this on the sides.. a bit of cleaning would make it look better. I like the rough look of brick...nice brick, but I'm afraid that this sort of brick, left this way, will just look like crummy brick. Lots of trees planted around there would look good against suck brick... and reduce noise. We discussed this earlier in the thread.

I hope the brick is cleaned on these walls. I know they were never meant to be exposed... But when you have the nice front finish...and then this on the sides.. a bit of cleaning would make it look better. I like the rough look of brick...nice brick, but I'm afraid that this sort of brick, left this way, will just look like crummy brick. Lots of trees planted around there would look good against suck brick... and reduce noise. We discussed this earlier in the thread.

 

Do you seriously think they would not clean the building??  Major construction is taking place on site.

Does anyone know how the two buildings will be connected?

I hope the brick is cleaned on these walls. I know they were never meant to be exposed... But when you have the nice front finish...and then this on the sides.. a bit of cleaning would make it look better. I like the rough look of brick...nice brick, but I'm afraid that this sort of brick, left this way, will just look like crummy brick. Lots of trees planted around there would look good against suck brick... and reduce noise. We discussed this earlier in the thread.

 

Do you seriously think they would not clean the building??  Major construction is taking place on site.

 

Yes, I do... I have seen it happen before. That's why I ask about this one... I don't know what they're going to do.

Does anyone know how the two buildings will be connected?

 

I believe there is an atrium connecting the Euclid and Prospect sides of the building.

3. They have begun creating openings for the windows on the East West wall.

 

Correct?

 

No, it's the East wall.  The building sits on the South side of Euclid.

3.  They have begun creating openings for the windows on the East West wall.

Correct?

 

No, it's the East wall.  The building sits on the South side of Euclid.

 

Seems like the west wall to me...

 

3. They have begun creating openings for the windows on the East West wall.

Correct?

 

No, it's the East wall. The building sits on the South side of Euclid.

 

Seems like the west wall to me...

 

 

You're right... my mistake.  I thought he was referring to the 1st picture, not the third.

The building is actually connected two ways.  They are rebuilding a very old arched hallway that bisects the the Prospect side.  The hallway will be a great site as the ceilings are about 20 feet high and the walls will be glass looking into the Prospect store fronts (TITANS GYM :) ) There are also walkways on all floors of the Prospect side that go to the Euclid side.  I know they are spending alot of time restoring the history of this corridor on the prospect time.  Last time i was there they were patching the terrazo floor and the archways in the ceiling.  I think it will be very beautiful when complete 

Glass in facade windows on several floors, now.  Great.  'Can't wait 'til they finish, remove the very unattractive and nuisance scaffolding, and clean it all!  Looks like the terra cotta wasn't quite as fanciful as that of the Halle's or May Co. building, though.  Halle's Bldg. has the nice old and muntined windows, too.  I don't recall if the May Co. Bldg. still has them.  As an aside but not totally unrelated, it's such as shame we're losing the terra-cotta-facaded Corlett/Cadillac Bldg. at CSU.... :-(

I stopped by my future space today to check on the progress.  I havent been there in a month, but the progress on the prospect side seems to be coming along quickly.  the main enterance into the "histroric corridor" is open now.  I got to walk down the wallway a couple hundrer feet until a security gaurd stopped me.  the glass walls are up to so you can see into Titans from the hallway and the other store.  The hallway looks awesome.  The ceilings look to be about 18 feet and are beautifully arched and lighted.  the whole thing looks great and i cant wait to start my construction!

tripspapa,

 

It is really contagious to see someone so excited about their upcoming project in downtown Cleveland.  I wish you much success with this venture.

 

From your descriptions, it sounds to me like Titans is going to be something that Cleveland (and other cities as well) will look back many years from now and wonder how they did without it.

 

The illustration of the finished building used in the ads shows dozens of windows cut into the brick wall on the west side - not in the section closest to Euclid but behind it.  Did they give up the idea of including so many windows?  Looks like they did.  For the sake of honesty they should change the illustration! :lol:

The illustration of the finished building used in the ads shows dozens of windows cut into the brick wall on the west side - not in the section closest to Euclid but behind it.  Did they give up the idea of including so many windows?  Looks like they did.  For the sake of honesty they should change the illustration! :lol:

 

lafont -- why don't you relax and allow the construction to progress.  rome wasn't built in a day.

they are in the process of cutting those windows into place... it's going to take a while.

Well that would be cool. It was looking like they had finished the cutting.  I don't see any rhyme or reason to the order in which they're cutting each window.

the ones you see in pairs were existing but had been bricked over and they are opening those up.  It 'looks' like some lucky units will get those existing pair units.  The rest appear to be getting a single window (aligned in the center of where the pair windows are) and that is where they are making the new cuts.

Which parking garage is going to be the one for residents?  I thought it was going to be the one that you can see from Euclid but then I realized that it doesn't actually connect to the building.  The, I noticed the connected garage next to the building on the prospect side.  I assume that's the resident garage?

yes, the one on prospect with mike the hatter on the ground floor.  It is a 450 car garage.

Interesting.  I wonder if the commecial stuff on the Prospect side will change at all.  It seems like with new residential going in and E. 4th growing, we might be able to do a little bit better than check cashing joints on that side of the building.

Interesting.  I wonder if the commecial stuff on the Prospect side will change at all.  It seems like with new residential going in and E. 4th growing, we might be able to do a little bit better than check cashing joints on that side of the building.

As the neighborhood changes so will the needs.

Check cashing could go, but sustaining the hat businesses, record store, and Volk's should be a priority.  They are the kinds of quirky shops that make cities so interesting.

^I agree.

The hat store is particularly outstanding.  Only a handful of American cities have one as good!

K&D has been advertising the 668 building a lot on the Indians radio broadcasts lately.

K&D has been advertising the 668 building a lot on the Indians radio broadcasts lately.

Perfect advertising partner, considering Gateway is your backyard.

Check cashing could go, but sustaining the hat businesses, record store, and Volk's should be a priority.  They are the kinds of quirky shops that make cities so interesting.

 

 

Absolutely! These little stores/shops define the individual character of any given city. Don't go homogenizing this area with crap like more Starbucks... How many more of those kinds of things do we need? If you can get original things like Algebras or Lucky's...etc..Great!.... But please...if not avoiding them at all costs...limit the chains. See one seen 'em all. Nothing special.