May 22, 201213 yr ^In fairness, while I guess I'm more willing to "settle" than 327, I'm not too keen on anything goes auto-centric stuff on our signature avenue, along a major transit investment and in an area that might poised for something better long term. I just don't think it's been as bad as 327 makes it out to be so far. 327, I didn't mean to rehash disagreements over the broader planning direction of Midtown, where I readily concede reasonable minds may disagree. I totally respect your point of view on that topic. I was just trying to set the record straight specifically with regards to the zoning "overlay," which is its own discrete thing. I hope to see it replicated in way or another in other parts of the city, so it's hard not to responds when it gets casually misrepresented. Don't get me wrong, I'm not that "keen" on it either. I'm not a fan of it. But I don't find it so offensive and I don't view it in blood boiling horror as an urbanist. I'm not crazy about it, but I view it as a means to an end in this neighborhood.
June 5, 201213 yr Penn Station here we come. http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/cleveland_metro/Plans-announced-to-develop-Clevelands-MidTown-renovate-and-rename-East-55th--Euclid-Avenue
June 5, 201213 yr At first I thought it was the sandwich place and was excited enough...and this clicked the link! :D Sounds like they're planting some collective seeds. This seems like the perfect location to anchor renovating Midtown. Sooooooooo glad the mental hospital was not built there. Market rate apartments in a few years??? It works in East Cleveland.
June 5, 201213 yr There is so much potential for this city!! So glad it's finally being realized little by little.
June 5, 201213 yr The most interesting part of this area, and the part I think has the greatest potential, is Prospect Avenue, East 30th and beyond. Some beautiful houses and structures over there.
June 6, 201213 yr Agreed. The Upper Prospect Historic District is oozing with potential. All it needs a reason to boom and this might just provide the necessary ammunition. Penn Station Square here we come. http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/cleveland_metro/Plans-announced-to-develop-Clevelands-MidTown-renovate-and-rename-East-55th--Euclid-Avenue Fixed that. We need those graphics for closer inspection! Can somebody do a screenshot?
June 6, 201213 yr ^ Ill try later if someone else doesnt beat me to it. But looked like a large park space on the south side of euclid on the corner of East 55th. Done by city architecture.
June 6, 201213 yr Penn Square is what this area was called a century ago. Then we abandoned the city and this area lost its identity. BTW, the article said the four-track Pennsylvania Railroad "roared" through this area. The reason it roared is because it was an at-grade crossing of Euclid and East 55th until 1915 (BTW, Norfolk Southern still roars through there with 60-70 trains a day, plus two nightly Amtrak passenger trains).... One of Cleveland's many neighborhood-scale downtowns. This one was served by streetcars every few minutes and 20 passenger trains a day to/from Hudson, Akron, Youngstown, Pittsburgh, the East Coast, plus Columbus, Cincinnati and St. Louis at its peak..... That's the past. Let's talk about the future now..... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 6, 201213 yr I agree we should move on but man... I can't believe we lost every single building on those four corners. Thanks for sharing the pictures.
June 6, 201213 yr BTW, this development was first discussed eight pages ago.... http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,3435.msg591918.html#msg591918 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 6, 201213 yr No news here. The article listed three actual developments: 1) open grass, 2) renovated office space in the Agora, and 3) a police station that we already know to be inappropriately designed. No mention of neighborhood development along upper Prospect. Apparently the plan is still centered around non-public workplaces. Captions in the pictures above bear that out... "Midtown - Build Your Business. Make a difference." The only difference I want is new planning. Start over.
June 6, 201213 yr The "Dunham GreenSpace Project" http://www.midtowncleveland.org/dunham-greenspace-district.aspx ....hooray..... :drunk:
June 6, 201213 yr The "Dunham GreenSpace Project" What a travesty, really. The 6611 Euclid building fading into history? Sorry but that is as representative of Clevleand's history as the Dunham Tavern. Maybe now we'll get more cut-out horses, pigs and bales of hay?? :|
June 6, 201213 yr No news here. The article listed three actual developments: 1) open grass, 2) renovated office space in the Agora, and 3) a police station that we already know to be inappropriately designed. No mention of neighborhood development along upper Prospect. Apparently the plan is still centered around non-public workplaces. Captions in the pictures above bear that out... "Midtown - Build Your Business. Make a difference." The only difference I want is new planning. Start over. Yeah, I was puzzled by the hub-bub of this since it was nothing at all new. Not sure what they were really announcing.... Just a reason to have a some publicity and a subsquent story I guess (the city PR machine at work)....
June 6, 201213 yr I hope the improvements make this are attractive to developers though. If new things are build here I hope it is along the lines of retail, residential and office space. A mix that would make this area conducive to more foot traffic. The area between CSU and 55th is full of institutional and other office space that leaves the street dead after a certain time. The area to the east up to about East 79th is also lacking in ammenities that would get people walking along this stretch. Not a good look when traveling from UC to PS.
June 6, 201213 yr ^Probably...maybe you should look into financing and tackle the project. Hey, that's not our job here at UO. Our job is to tell others what to do with their money and reputations! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 6, 201213 yr ^Then why do "we" always say "we need to...." I was under the assumption we had some kind of development fund here at UO to get started on these high-density, mixed use projects. I hadn't seen anything prior about the rehab of the RR crossing bridge. There seems to be some other infrastructure improvements as well. That is a necessary step considering the current condition of that intersection.
June 6, 201213 yr ^Then why do "we" always say "we need to...." I was under the assumption we had some kind of development fund here at UO to get started on these high-density, mixed use projects. We do..... Of course, I'd rather have this Penny...... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 6, 201213 yr I hadn't seen anything prior about the rehab of the RR crossing bridge. There seems to be some other infrastructure improvements as well. That is a necessary step considering the current condition of that intersection. Yes thats been out there as well. Originally as part of the Corridor project, but lack of funds caused it to be left out at that point. Since then it has been mentioned as a "this will be happening at some point, project" They just merely packaged everything together so they could toot their own horns and show what a good job they are doing... Nothing wrong with that when you consider the average person that doesnt read this board all day likely wouldnt have pieced it together or otherwise known.
June 7, 201213 yr If people don't think all our money and reputations are on the line with every one of these projects... I can't make them see it that way. But we're talking about the actions of a public entity here. That's not ambiguous, is it? What am I missing? The "Dunham GreenSpace Project" What a travesty, really. The 6611 Euclid building fading into history? Sorry but that is as representative of Clevleand's history as the Dunham Tavern. Maybe now we'll get more cut-out horses, pigs and bales of hay?? :| From the website: "...walking/jogging trails and beautiful gardens for contemplation and renewal." On a bare parcel in an industrial park by the projects? There are better places for contemplation and renewal. I've seen them. The site isn't big enough for a park of any real consequence. This is what might be called the lowest and worst use.
June 7, 201213 yr There is only one project that could possibly damage MY reputation - http://therockometer.com/
June 7, 201213 yr There is only one project that could possibly damage MY reputation - http://therockometer.com/ OH YEAH!!! :D And be prepared to get one of these! ;) http://therockometer.com/ecard_form.php
June 7, 201213 yr Was nosing around the Web last night and found the two images below at http://www.dimitarchitects.com (where there are more images of this abandoned project). I realize the developers couldn't make a go of it at this tiny little moment in history. And now that the building will be demolished, no one will.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 7, 201213 yr It is so easy and cheap to create pretty pictures. Easy for you to say.... you've never tried to get financing lined up for a pencil and a pad.
June 7, 201213 yr ^According to an earlier post by a reliable UO poster, financing wasn't the issue here, so not sure those jokes are actually appropriate in this case... ^I am not 100 percent sure but I think Dunham purchased the property recently (with the intent to tear it down). I do know that the deal with the mentioned developer fell through and I believed this allowed Dunham to step in. I would imagine somebody can confirm or correct this. It is actually a pretty crazy and disturbing story. Let me just say that Pace's development had all the letters of intent that it needed and that Dunham Tavern, or someone associated with it, was able to secure at the last moment the RTA-owned facility thru a technicality (for lack of a better term).
June 7, 201213 yr ^Another reliable poster reported that Price had agreed to 'step aside' if Dunham ever got their financing together. Michelle doesn't mention whether Price had his financing lined up or what kind of timetable he was looking at. I wonder if there was an actual, binding agreement between Price and Dunham or if it was more an "honor" thing which Price felt bound by. http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2012/02/developer_drops_plan_to_remake.html
June 8, 201213 yr The demo equipment is starting to show up on site. So it's goodbye to the 6611 And hello to more cut-outs :|
June 15, 201213 yr http://www.dimitarchitects.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=133&Itemid=147 Sad about 6611 Euclid Ave. This is what could have been done to convert this structure
June 15, 201213 yr http://www.dimitarchitects.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=133&Itemid=147 Sad about 6611 Euclid Ave. This is what could have been done to convert this structure Ahem.... http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,3435.msg624568.html#msg624568 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 23, 201212 yr On the other side of Dunham, this work is continuing along... And across the street, Gallucci's is celebrating their 100th anniversary. Congrats.
June 23, 201212 yr What is this project? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 23, 201212 yr Well, most of the sign out front is pictured here. I cant exactly say except that it looks like it's Frost's future home. I believe that "restaurant and" (not pictured) is before the "office space available"
June 23, 201212 yr This is the one everyone yelled at me for many pages up lol. It's just a rehab to restaurant/retail
June 23, 201212 yr This is the one everyone yelled at me for many pages up lol. It's just a rehab to restaurant/retail "Just"? Hell, that's awesome!! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 23, 201212 yr ^It was on a list of project approved by design review that you posted last November :) This project has been reported on sporadically in this thread as 6815 Euclid Ave, or the "Frost" project. The owner is rehabbing it primarily as office space but hopes to lease out the ground floor for restaurant. The Midtown web site has a little bit of info: http://www.midtowncleveland.org/frost-building.aspx
June 23, 201212 yr Now I hope you don't expect me to remember everything! :) However, I can tell you what happened almost to the day for things that occurred in my life from the late 1970s to the early 1990s. After that I apparently felt I'd seen it all and stopped making regular deposits into my memory bank. :) "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 23, 201212 yr Imagine if 6611 Euclid Avenue, next to the Dunham Tavern, was getting renovated instead of demolished. You would have the new midtown tech park, galluccis, this "Frost" project, a renovated 6611 Euclid Avenue, and Dunham Tavern all within one block.
June 23, 201212 yr This is the one everyone yelled at me for many pages up lol. It's just a rehab to restaurant/retail "Just"? Hell, that's awesome!! Haha...well I was excited, but people brought me down a notch ;)
June 24, 201212 yr It is so easy and cheap to create pretty pictures. Not entirely true. Architectural services on a project like this will be at least $10,000, not counting project management and AOR duties like construction management that would bring it up to 5-10% project cost (supposed to be 10% but architectural fees have been slashed nation-wide since the Great Recession). This makes me really sad - I am heavily considering a new apt between here and downtown. :|
June 24, 201212 yr so another pointless teardown? ugh. This is officially what's going there it's called "Dunham Greenspace" aka Grass..... http://www.midtowncleveland.org/dunham-greenspace-district.aspx
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