April 15, 201510 yr Lots of good comments on the article, nice to see. People are advocating for urbanism along Euclid and noting that this design does not seem to measure up. Pros: the surface parking is on side streets, buildings are properly fronted, some vague mention of a retail component, generally open to the public, and provides health services for nearby residents who use transit. Cons: suburban campus... acres and acres of surface parking, minimal density, minimal mixed-use (including zero residential), and another key parcel becomes exempt from property taxes through hospital ownership. That last item is one reason I've never been fond of Midtown's health-based redevelopment plan. The hospital tax exemption screws the city and its school district in a big way. I understand the "work with what we have" concept, but hospitals are not the only thing we have, and it seems like the planning ignored this rather significant opportunity cost. Put anything else there and it generates revenue. Anything but a hospital facility.
April 16, 201510 yr Lots of good comments on the article, nice to see. People are advocating for urbanism along Euclid and noting that this design does not seem to measure up. Pros: the surface parking is on side streets, buildings are properly fronted, some vague mention of a retail component, generally open to the public, and provides health services for nearby residents who use transit. Cons: suburban campus... acres and acres of surface parking, minimal density, minimal mixed-use (including zero residential), and another key parcel becomes exempt from property taxes through hospital ownership. That last item is one reason I've never been fond of Midtown's health-based redevelopment plan. The hospital tax exemption screws the city and its school district in a big way. I understand the "work with what we have" concept, but hospitals are not the only thing we have, and it seems like the planning ignored this rather significant opportunity cost. Put anything else there and it generates revenue. Anything but a hospital facility. It's always surprised me that CMSD never seems to have looked at its own income tax, which Ohio law has let it do since at least the mid 80s.
April 22, 201510 yr I would definitely agree that the campus is very suburban, and it lacks any sort of density, which you should have if you are trying to build up any urban area. Disappointing massing. :|
April 22, 201510 yr The consistent development plan for Midtown has been the suburban style office parks. This is a feature, not a bug, of Midtown's plans. It's deliberate. My philosophy has consistently been that I believe that everything in the suburbs should be available somewhere in the city amd combining that with the fact that this is a deliberate plan of midtown's development, I'm not opposed to this
April 22, 201510 yr I'm ok with it... the massing shows the buildings fronting Euclid with parking accessible on the side streets. From the article, it seems like most would be taking transit to access the buildings anyways, so it's a plus for the Corridor- which doesn't need any more suburban style developments along Euclid. If we're talking about Chester, then I'd say go for it... but not along Euclid. The infrastructure in place along Euclid calls for tighter, higher density development and settling for less time and time again would be a huge waste of an opportunity, IMO.
April 22, 201510 yr Lots of good comments on the article, nice to see. People are advocating for urbanism along Euclid and noting that this design does not seem to measure up. Pros: the surface parking is on side streets, buildings are properly fronted, some vague mention of a retail component, generally open to the public, and provides health services for nearby residents who use transit. Cons: suburban campus... acres and acres of surface parking, minimal density, minimal mixed-use (including zero residential), and another key parcel becomes exempt from property taxes through hospital ownership. That last item is one reason I've never been fond of Midtown's health-based redevelopment plan. The hospital tax exemption screws the city and its school district in a big way. I understand the "work with what we have" concept, but hospitals are not the only thing we have, and it seems like the planning ignored this rather significant opportunity cost. Put anything else there and it generates revenue. Anything but a hospital facility. It's always surprised me that CMSD never seems to have looked at its own income tax, which Ohio law has let it do since at least the mid 80s. It's mostly rural districts that use the school district income tax, because farmers understandably prefer it to property taxes. Not sure why cities with large employment bases haven't done it, but I suppose it would upset/drive away many employers/employees.
April 22, 201510 yr The consistent development plan for Midtown has been the suburban style office parks. This is a feature, not a bug, of Midtown's plans. It's deliberate. My philosophy has consistently been that I believe that everything in the suburbs should be available somewhere in the city amd combining that with the fact that this is a deliberate plan of midtown's development, I'm not opposed to this I like the notion that the city should offer everything the burbs can, I just think the placement here is wrong. Suburban office parks seem like a better fit for the Opportunity Corridor area. It's more of a blank slate and it has lesser prospects for prime urban development. What's the sense in calling something "Midtown" if we're not going to treat it as such? It's either a cruel joke or a fundamental conceptual misunderstanding.
April 22, 201510 yr University Hospitals, Geis could create hundreds of jobs in the Health-Tech Corridor University Hospitals announced earlier this month that it plans to build a community care center, called the UH Rainbow Center for Women’s and Children’s Health, on East 57th Street and Euclid Avenue on a part of 12 acres in MidTown’s Health-Tech Corridor. Along with the facility, Geis Companies’ Hemingway Development will develop the rest of the land for a second Midtown Tech Park with mixed-use medical companies, retail, restaurants and other commercial space. Bike trails will also be created, and a new bus stop in front of the UH facility are planned, according to Fred Geis. http://freshwatercleveland.com/innovationnews/UHplans042215.aspx
April 28, 201510 yr New Third District police station welcomes community with public art @cleveLANDstudio http://t.co/Qc3UsAqsw1 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 28, 201510 yr ^Wait until you see that arch at night. It's impressive (although it feels out of place in the neighborhood).
May 2, 201510 yr ^Wait until you see that arch at night. It's impressive (although it feels out of place in the neighborhood). "out of place" or "catalyst" to build upon?
June 9, 201510 yr Cleveland Council approves sale of land to University Hospital, private developer for medical campus By Leila Atassi, Northeast Ohio Media Group on June 08, 2015 at 8:21 PM, updated June 08, 2015 at 9:44 PM CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Cleveland City Council on Monday approved the sale of city-owned land on the East Side to University Hospitals for the construction of a $15-million, 40,000-square-foot medical clinic for women and children. The long dormant site, located between Euclid and Chester avenues and East 55th and East 63rd Streets, would become the new home of University Hospital's Rainbow Ambulatory Practice and the Women's Health Clinic. Both facilities currently are stationed at Rainbow Babies & Children's Hospital on UH's main campus. Council also approved the sale of a neighboring parcel to Hemingway Development, an arm of the Geis Cos., of Streetsboro, to develop a 140,000-square-foot medical campus in the hopes of attracting health and technology companies and medical suppliers that would support the hospital's investment. MORE: http://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/index.ssf/2015/06/cleveland_council_approves_sal.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 9, 201510 yr An earlier article, above, had said there would be a retail/restaurant component to this. It seemed implausible at the time... who goes out or goes shopping in a medical campus? No mention of that in today's article. At least UH gets the parcel right by the RR tracks, which minimizes the tax loss on the hospital footprint. Since the UH facility is just a transplant from main campus, the new jobs expectation must refer to the Geis portion. So 200+ jobs, involving medical suppliers, one story high on 11 acres? Sounds like a distribution center. I hope not.
June 9, 201510 yr The retail permissible is probably a general business classification could be anything from a pharmacy, to a child care biz, to a storefront dentist/optometrist/pediatrician, etc. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 9, 201510 yr It probably would be good to have a restaurant there though. The workers in the Midtown Tech Park have frequently complained that they don't have anywhere to go to for lunch, except for Gallucci's. If they would have built that building using urban principles, then they could have had a restaurant facing the street, but alas....
June 9, 201510 yr It probably would be good to have a restaurant there though. The workers in the Midtown Tech Park have frequently complained that they don't have anywhere to go to for lunch, except for Gallucci's. If they would have built that building using urban principles, then they could have had a restaurant facing the street, but alas.... Just for my own information, is the restaurant in the Agora still open?
June 9, 201510 yr It probably would be good to have a restaurant there though. The workers in the Midtown Tech Park have frequently complained that they don't have anywhere to go to for lunch, except for Gallucci's. If they would have built that building using urban principles, then they could have had a restaurant facing the street, but alas.... Just for my own information, is the restaurant in the Agora still open? My brother's lead singer is security there, he says he hasn't seen it open for months.
June 30, 20159 yr @fredgeis Abeona Therapeutics plans to open new headquarters in MidTown Tech Park Campus http://t.co/OGFk0bZ4tP @crainscleveland "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 4, 20159 yr No graphics, so I'm assuming this will be built to the rear of the existing building (shown below) that has an address of 3328 Carnegie (unless the whole parcel including the parking is also 3328).... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2015/08072015/index.php City Planning Commission Agenda for August 7, 2015 EC2015-020 – Stepstone Academy Classroom Building New Construction: Seeking Final Approval Project Address: 3328 Carnegie Avenue Project Representative: Mark Fremont, Architect "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 8, 20159 yr For sale: Cleveland Masonic Auditorium: http://t.co/jFqaWb4Cjg @CultureForward @CuyArtsC @Apollos_Fire @cim_edu http://t.co/AFnA3blsAY "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 10, 20159 yr Man, that's a really cool building. But the only use that seems to make sense would be performing arts. And who has the money in the arts community to buy and upkeep that building? PlayhouseSquare, but they've really focused their efforts downtown (as they should).
August 10, 20159 yr Man, that's a really cool building. But the only use that seems to make sense would be performing arts. And who has the money in the arts community to buy and upkeep that building? PlayhouseSquare, but they've really focused their efforts downtown (as they should). Only way that becomes a venue is if the Cleveland Agora moves there.
August 10, 20159 yr Man, that's a really cool building. But the only use that seems to make sense would be performing arts. And who has the money in the arts community to buy and upkeep that building? PlayhouseSquare, but they've really focused their efforts downtown (as they should). Only way that becomes a venue is if the Cleveland Agora moves there. Cleveland State doesn't have a "real" venue for it's Theatre Arts. It's close enough to campus..... :)
August 10, 20159 yr No graphics, so I'm assuming this will be built to the rear of the existing building (shown below) that has an address of 3328 Carnegie (unless the whole parcel including the parking is also 3328).... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2015/08072015/index.php City Planning Commission Agenda for August 7, 2015 EC2015-020 – Stepstone Academy Classroom Building New Construction: Seeking Final Approval Project Address: 3328 Carnegie Avenue Project Representative: Mark Fremont, Architect http://www.fremontassoc.com/new-gallery-5-1/wvrv5vycxb775r3h6kbcx5jycez0ti
August 10, 20159 yr Man, that's a really cool building. But the only use that seems to make sense would be performing arts. And who has the money in the arts community to buy and upkeep that building? PlayhouseSquare, but they've really focused their efforts downtown (as they should). Only way that becomes a venue is if the Cleveland Agora moves there. Cleveland State doesn't have a "real" venue for it's Theatre Arts. It's close enough to campus..... :) That's a good possibility too, though perhaps too big and expensive?
August 10, 20159 yr I believe that is the building used recently (a year or two ago) for a tour of The Nutcracker
August 10, 20159 yr Man, that's a really cool building. But the only use that seems to make sense would be performing arts. And who has the money in the arts community to buy and upkeep that building? PlayhouseSquare, but they've really focused their efforts downtown (as they should). Only way that becomes a venue is if the Cleveland Agora moves there. Cleveland State doesn't have a "real" venue for it's Theatre Arts. It's close enough to campus..... :) That's a good possibility too, though perhaps too big and expensive? Pfffft....it's only taxpayer money. And probably half the cost of most Ohio public university administrator residences?
August 10, 20159 yr I believe that is the building used recently (a year or two ago) for a tour of The Nutcracker It still has a couple events scheduled this year.
August 10, 20159 yr I thought CSU already moved their Theatre department to Playhouse Square...the Middough building and Allen Theatre?
August 10, 20159 yr I thought CSU already moved their Theatre department to Playhouse Square...the Middough building and Allen Theatre? That is correct.
August 11, 20159 yr It would make a cool single-theater IMAX or something. Can't really think of a nonprofit with the money or need for a space like this. Maybe CIFF can buy it :).
August 11, 20159 yr Auction 8/17: 3634-3636 Euclid Avenue https://www.auction.com/ohio/residential-auction-asset/193035670-15499-3634-3636-euclid-avenue-cleveland-oh-44115-b_162?utm_source=
August 12, 20159 yr ^Wow. That's really interesting to see. I had a meeting at one of those buildings a few months ago and we ended up getting held up at gunpoint in the parking lot. When the police asked the owners for the surveillance tape, the owners replied that the cameras didn't work. I wonder if that fiasco led the owners to reconsider the property?
August 31, 20159 yr What is Link 59? I guess we'll find out in a few days.... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2015/pdf/EC_Agenda%209-3-15.pdf Euclid Corridor Design Review District Agenda September 3, 2015 8:30 EC 2015-026 Link 59 C (seeking conceptual approval) E 59th Street between Chester & Euclid Aves. MidTown District Allison Lukascy, GLSD Architects Brandon Kline, GLSD Architects 9:00 EC 2015-027 University Hospital project signage N 5899 Euclid Ave. MidTown District Brandon Moore "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 31, 20159 yr Probably the name for the Geis project planned as part of this big thing: Cleveland Council approves sale of land to University Hospital, private developer for medical campus By Leila Atassi, Northeast Ohio Media Group on June 08, 2015 at 8:21 PM, updated June 08, 2015 at 9:44 PM CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Cleveland City Council on Monday approved the sale of city-owned land on the East Side to University Hospitals for the construction of a $15-million, 40,000-square-foot medical clinic for women and children. The long dormant site, located between Euclid and Chester avenues and East 55th and East 63rd Streets, would become the new home of University Hospital's Rainbow Ambulatory Practice and the Women's Health Clinic. Both facilities currently are stationed at Rainbow Babies & Children's Hospital on UH's main campus. Council also approved the sale of a neighboring parcel to Hemingway Development, an arm of the Geis Cos., of Streetsboro, to develop a 140,000-square-foot medical campus in the hopes of attracting health and technology companies and medical suppliers that would support the hospital's investment. MORE: http://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/index.ssf/2015/06/cleveland_council_approves_sal.html
September 1, 20159 yr http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2015/09042015/index.php Link 59 by Geis for Midtown area
September 1, 20159 yr Not bad. Glad to that huge swath of land targeted, and built on the sidewalk. So are the two buildings on Euclid both part of UHHS? If so, is that phases 1 & 2? According to this article ( http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2015/04/university_hospitals_plans_mid.html ), the building to the east of UHHS is part of Hemingway's (Geis) future plans. Here is a full-size view of the overall site plan: http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2015/09042015/image/fullsize/Link_59_04.jpg "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 2, 20159 yr Is that 2nd last image a freaking cartoon still? The fact that Geis kept the design of this in house is pretty scary.
September 2, 20159 yr Great to see Midtown get much needed attention but I just despise low rise buildings in urban areas, especially when it's two stories.
September 2, 20159 yr ^If only it were two stories. Looks to me like most of this complex, including the part seeking approval in this round, is only one story.
September 3, 20159 yr ^only two stories?!? This is being built in the middle of nowhere. Going vertical doesn't make fiscal sense when Geis has all the room to spread out. It's the same thing every time someone proposes a two story structure, yet the same people on UO still don't seem to understand how construction, financing, etc work. If it made financial sense to go higher, Geis would.
September 3, 20159 yr I ride my bike from Playhouse Square to my job at the Clinic everyday and trust me this will be a huge addition to that stretch of Euclid one-story and all. And the nurse in me cannot explain how excited, and great I think it is, UH is expanding their women and children's clinic there on the Healthline stop.
September 3, 20159 yr I've said it before and will say it again. Buildings like this are easy to build and (wait for it....) easy to tear down. If something phenomenal happens which makes this land ripe for multi-use development even during the anticipated life of this building (which I don't expect is very long), Geis or whatever owner won't hesitate to tear it down. They are in the business to make money, not thumb their nose at urban enthusiasts.
September 30, 20159 yr http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2015/10022015/index.php City Planning Commission Agenda for October 2, 2015 EUCLID CORRIDOR DESIGN REVIEW EC2015-026 – Link 59 Master Plan: Seeking Conceptual Approval Project Location: East 59th Street b/w Chester & Euclid Avenues Project Representatives: Allison Lukascy, GLSD Architects Brandon Kline, GLSD Architects This project received Conceptual Approval for an office building on September 4, 2015. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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