May 2, 20187 yr A vacant lot gets a new use. An entrepreneur gets to start a business. And when the land becomes more valuable, you move the storage containers somewhere else. Seems pretty damned win-win-win to me.
May 2, 20187 yr If it had wheels I might agree. But this appears to be a permanent building that's designed like a trailer-- and proposed for a major commercial street connecting our two hottest areas. Instead of fixing up one of the area's many historic storefronts, we leave those to rot and build this? Hate to get all slippery slope, but to what extent is this our plan for the city's future? As KJP notes, it's not the first time we've seen "junkyard chic" proposed for major east-side corridors. And nothing about any of these plans sounds temporary.
May 2, 20187 yr A vacant lot gets a new use. An entrepreneur gets to start a business. And when the land becomes more valuable, you move the storage containers somewhere else. Seems pretty damned win-win-win to me. I defended the Kinsman/79th development. Is it that hard to put this on an actual foundation? It's not like there aren't some decent-looking double-wides out there. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 2, 20187 yr There's two proposals in a city of 80 square miles and 400,000 people. I'd say it's not the plan to any great extent. But if that's the investment someone wants to make on a block that is vacant, I don't see the harm. Somebody is trying to do a thing. The "plan", quite simply, should be "let them".
May 2, 20187 yr Good for him/her. Doesn't mean I can't make fun of it as "trashy." I did and I will. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 2, 20187 yr Part of my problem is that most of the lot would remain vacant, after they put their trailer right in the middle of it. Would not be surprised if current zoning actually requires all that lawn buffer, but that hardly makes it right. This breaks every recognized principle of good urban design. I guess those rules shouldn't be seen as ironclad, but why bother discussing better or worse ways to do things if it doesn't matter?
May 2, 20187 yr Nobody discusses any better way to do anything. They just made slams on what's being done. There's a difference.
May 3, 20187 yr And I never said you couldn't, just that you are wrong. That would be a first. Which it wasn't. :) "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 3, 20187 yr Nobody discusses any better way to do anything. They just made slams on what's being done. There's a difference. Most of my posts in this thread discuss a better way. In summary, look at the midtown areas of similar cities and do what they did. Short North and Over the Rhine went straight from nasty to nice and Woodward Avenue is getting there. Why does Cleveland need this Mad Max looking intermediate phase? Nobody else did. Are we really supposed to seek value in the eventual demo of this proposed building? Why not fix it on paper while the opportunity exists? The real question is-- why is this coffee shop so determined to operate out of a trailer? Is there no way to get them into a real storefront, no way at all? We just have so many of those, and so much incentive to get coffee shops into them. How can it be sane to carve up a perfectly good trailer instead?
May 3, 20187 yr Are there city incentives being used to fund this coffee shop? If so, I absolutely agree that the money spent on this would be better spent renovating an actual storefront. If not, I still think this plan could be better thought out. Maybe designate the entire lot as a sort of food cart zone ala Portland? Have several of these modular shipping container looking structures clustered to create a bit of critical mass. Offer the spaces for low rent to allow for the neighborhood to participate. It would create a low cost business incubator of sorts, and if a business is successful, it can spin off to find a brick and mortar location in the city. Findlay Market has served this function pretty well in Cincinnati. Businesses start with a single stall in the market for pretty cheap. There's a community kitchen that's available so equipment costs are kept low, too. Several businesses have started out this way, including Taste of Belgium, which now has 3-4 locations in Cincy, but also has expanded to Columbus and Nashville. A one-off trailer coffee shop on a vacant lot is surely aiming pretty low.
May 9, 20187 yr seems as though they are now working on the foundation of the tru hotel in midtown.... I've seen no ground breaking announcement.. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ncblvk1oeb8guop/IMG_20180508_161626.jpg?dl=0
May 9, 20187 yr seems as though they are now working on the foundation of the tru hotel in midtown.... I've seen no ground breaking announcement.. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ncblvk1oeb8guop/IMG_20180508_161626.jpg?dl=0 Is that what that is? I drove by it the other day and was wondering what was going on there.
May 9, 20187 yr Yes, construction is underway on the Tru by Hilton hotel at East 70th and Euclid.... The rapidly growing Link 59 development on Euclid Avenue at East 59th on the RTA HealthLine BRT features an office building, community hospital, full-service grocery store and street-level retail/cafes. Work is well underway on the Dave's Market.... And here's a couple of the One Midtown townhouses Lastly, here's the Emerald Alliance X apartments, 7609 Euclid "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 9, 20187 yr ^Thanks for the pix of Link59. It's street presence is much more impressive than the renderings were. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
May 22, 20187 yr Update from today (had to throw a train pic in there)..... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 22, 20187 yr Yup, snapping pictures all the way. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 31, 20187 yr I love the Link 59 development. I like the new townhouses being built as well a lot better than the suburban style ones next to the Clinic. The property across the street from One Midtown between Baker Electric and Church Square extending to Carnegie was for sale. Its a pretty large piece of property, could be more townhomes. I can't wait until Downtown has a fuller connect to University Circle. I wonder if some taller buildings can be constructed to give a fuller skyline for the city?! I also wonder if anything will ever be done about the Warner Swasey building now that its on the market again.
June 14, 20187 yr It's not often that we have a demolition request and new construction for the same site on the same CPC agenda.... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2018/06152018/index.php EUCLID CORRIDOR DESIGN REVIEW EC2018-014 – Proposed Demolition of a 4-Story Apartment Building: Seeking Final Approval Project Address: 1964 East 73rd Street Project Representative: Nate Barrett, BD Euclid Avenue EC2018-019 – One Midtown Townhomes New Construction: Seeking Final Approval Project Address: 1964 East 73rd Street Project Representative: Nate Barrett, BD Euclid Avenue "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 14, 20187 yr I wonder if that means they are extending the project down E. 73rd St. That apt building wasn't in the original footprint of their plans.
June 16, 20186 yr I was driving down Chester, so it wasn't the best view, but it appears the elevator shaft for the new hotel on Euclid between E69 and E70 has been built. It was visible popping up from behind the trees. Also, the hotel with Innova on Chester is on the 6th floor now. The new Case dental clinic next door to Innova is on the 3rd floor, and has a much larger presence from the street than I thought it would have. For some reason I had it in my mind this was going to be a single story building. While all the development on the north side of Chester there could have better interaction with the street, it doesn't appear its going to be a terrible stretch. The retail with Innova sure helps. The south side is another story, with the Case/Clinic school being set back quite far.
June 16, 20186 yr There's actually two elevator shafts that have been built for the Tru by Hilton hotel. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 29, 20186 yr Wasn’t sure where else to post this, but since my personal business is expanding I put it here: I’m happy to say I now have my CIPP/US certification and will be expanding the practice to include cybersecurity consulting work!
June 30, 20186 yr University Hospitals Rainbow Center for Women & Children to open July 9 https://www.cleveland.com/healthfit/index.ssf/2018/06/university_hospitals_rainbow_c_1.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 30, 20186 yr Wasn’t sure where else to post this, but since my personal business is expanding I put it here: I’m happy to say I now have my CIPP/US certification and will be expanding the practice to include cybersecurity consulting work! That's awesome, Yabo! Congrats on the growth!
July 10, 20186 yr I thought this all got submitted and approved already? Case 17-043 3101 Euclid Building 3101 Euclid Avenue Curtain Wall, Signage, Details Ward 7 B. Jones Ken Chow Richard L. Bowen Associates "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 15, 20186 yr Agora undergoes a $3 million-plus facelift https://www.cleveland.com/music/index.ssf/2018/07/agora_undergoes_a_3_million-pl.html
July 15, 20186 yr the bldg by 30th and euclid doesn't look that different. maybe some internal fixes?
July 16, 20186 yr the bldg by 30th and euclid doesn't look that different. maybe some internal fixes? It looks like they are making changes to the curtain wall, (The exterior wall with the metal panels and windows), and adding signage. It's hard to tell since the "after" rendering is in black and white.
July 19, 20186 yr Channel 19 Story on the Agora. http://www.cleveland19.com/story/38677465/first-look-at-the-agoras-3m-renovation
July 19, 20186 yr Another random question: Does anyone know the history about the Brownstone Inn on Prospect Ave? I've always thought it was a pretty interesting building that has tons of potential.
July 25, 20186 yr the pic excites me.... that part of midtown can still seem pretty dead.... the new hotel and grocery store make me hopeful for a bit more life....
July 25, 20186 yr I'm excited to see more development happening in Mid-Town, but is there any chance anything taller than 100ft will get built? With all the open space in the area, I feel like it's the perfect opportunity to add density and essentially develop another downtown like feel. Wouldn't be too bad to extend the skyline as well....
July 25, 20186 yr First, Cleveland would need to grow population and jobs. To be slightly more optimistic, this PART of Cleveland needs to grow jobs and population. In terms of the former, the progress in the last decade has been pretty remarkable. The Health Corridor, the new Rainbow Womens & Children hospital, and the office buildings Geis and others built on spec have created some momentum. Not to mention the Cleveland Clinic just down the street. The jobs seem to be coming left and right; hopefully residential and attendant mixed uses will follow.
July 25, 20186 yr I'm excited to see more development happening in Mid-Town, but is there any chance anything taller than 100ft will get built? With all the open space in the area, I feel like it's the perfect opportunity to add density and essentially develop another downtown like feel. Wouldn't be too bad to extend the skyline as well.... That is, unfortunately, the opposite of how things work. Density develops a little at a time, as land becomes more scarce and expensive. When you have a large surplus of land, it is cheap, and so development tends to be more low rise and spread out. As things get built, though, the land gets more scarce and expensive, and therefore higher densities are needed by the developers to make projects work. Also, the success of previous projects makes it more likely that developers can get financing and tenants to achieve more ambitious projects. Midtown is still early in this process- but it is making strides!
July 26, 20186 yr I'm excited to see more development happening in Mid-Town, but is there any chance anything taller than 100ft will get built? With all the open space in the area, I feel like it's the perfect opportunity to add density and essentially develop another downtown like feel. Wouldn't be too bad to extend the skyline as well.... That is, unfortunately, the opposite of how things work. Density develops a little at a time, as land becomes more scarce and expensive. When you have a large surplus of land, it is cheap, and so development tends to be more low rise and spread out. As things get built, though, the land gets more scarce and expensive, and therefore higher densities are needed by the developers to make projects work. Also, the success of previous projects makes it more likely that developers can get financing and tenants to achieve more ambitious projects. Midtown is still early in this process- but it is making strides! University Circle is more of Cleveland's "second Downtown" than MidTown. There isn't a lot of space, and has more immediate opportunities to build up. Its already expanding out into other neighborhoods -"Circle North", into MidTown, etc. It also has One University Circle as its litmus test for taller buildings. The inner west side is also (I think) more likely to see taller buildings, at least apartment projects. MidTown is a very large space with a lot of vacancy that's attractive to campus style developments like Link 59, Pierres, Applied Industrial Technologies, etc. It's also attractive for townhomes and shorter mixed-use development with more floor space like the Innova project. Maybe one day it'll be littered with some taller buildings, but we'd need businesses and residents to fill that need. Side note, will MidTown ever become a "real" neighborhood versus a conglomerate of other neighborhoods?
July 26, 20186 yr Doubtful, unless there is a massive population influx. Neigborhoods today that are arguably flourishing, like the ones west, never became no man's land wastelands like so much of Midtown. Tremont had a rough time in the 70s and 80s, but it was still a real neighborhood with homes, commercial activity, and a healthy mix of middle and working class near the low income households. Also, racially, yeah, it was still somewhat diverse, and that balance had a huge impact in slowing a total collapse. Midtown... a much sadder fall without such stabilizing forces. Gays, hipsters, foreigners, artists, millenials, boomerangs, commercial developers - yeah, they're just not interested. Too many other affordable options out there
July 27, 20186 yr Driving up Euclid today I was trying to remember what is being built at the corner of 36th and Euclid. Then I remembered this.
July 27, 20186 yr Great, more useless green space across the street from... more useless unusable green space. What a waste.
July 27, 20186 yr Doubtful, unless there is a massive population influx. Neigborhoods today that are arguably flourishing, like the ones west, never became no man's land wastelands like so much of Midtown. Tremont had a rough time in the 70s and 80s, but it was still a real neighborhood with homes, commercial activity, and a healthy mix of middle and working class near the low income households. Also, racially, yeah, it was still somewhat diverse, and that balance had a huge impact in slowing a total collapse. Midtown... a much sadder fall without such stabilizing forces. Gays, hipsters, foreigners, artists, millenials, boomerangs, commercial developers - yeah, they're just not interested. Too many other affordable options out there I think this is more than a little too pessimistic! While Midtown isn't going to be an upscale urban fantasy-land anytime soon, the amount of development over the last decade or so makes me quite optimistic that it is turning into an at least functional urban corridor. Consider: -Multiple tech incubators/office buildings built or under construction -Dealer Tire HQ -UH facility/Link59 -Dave's Supermarket -Tru Hilton -New Cleveland Children's Museum -renovated Agora and Masonic Auditorium -residential reuse of office buildings creeping eastward from CSU -new townhouses It's just too easy to get wrapped up in all Midtown isn't and forget the progress it has seen.
July 27, 20186 yr It's not going to be hipsterland, but I think there's going to be enough people who are going to want to live near the hospitals that will help to build up some kind of a modest resident base.
July 27, 20186 yr It's not going to be hipsterland, but I think there's going to be enough people who are going to want to live near the hospitals that will help to build up some kind of a modest resident base. I'm currently on the market for a house as many of you know. Catch 22 with Midtown is that the new construction where we feel safe is out of our price range, and the homes we like would be in our price range, including big renovations, but aren't on safe streets.
July 27, 20186 yr MidTown Gets A Modern Makeover The One Midtown Townhomes are part of the neighborhood's $152 million in new development expected to be completed in 2018. There’s a change coming to MidTown. On a swath of Millionaires’ Row once home to shipbuilder and real estate magnate Morris A. Bradley, One Midtown’s 23 luxury townhomes are attempting to restore some of the former glory to the oft forgotten stretch of Euclid Avenue. “In the early 1900s, it represented [one of] the wealthiest neighborhoods in the entire world,” says Justin Campbell, director of luxury sales for Signature Collection. “What we’re looking to do is bring that high-end residential component back.” https://clevelandmagazine.com/at-home/articles/midtown-gets-a-modern-makeover#.W1sWa3sLK94.twitter
August 1, 20186 yr A design lover's inside look at the newly renovated Agora Theatre & Ballroom http://www.freshwatercleveland.com/breaking-ground/Agora071918.aspx "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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