July 17, 20195 yr 9 minutes ago, brtshrcegr said: Umm @KJP are you subtly dropping some heretofore unknown news on us? What’s Benesch’s involvement at East 55th and Euclid? Apologies in advance if I’ve missed something, but I searched the forum and the only references to Benesch are related to their intended occupancy at NuCLEus. ? I was actually wondering the same thing.
July 18, 20195 yr ^ Right it's actually Berusch Development not Benesch. They control the site at 55th and Euclid that was recently a gas station which demolished about a month ago. No real proposal at this point but speculation is it will be residential based on some of their previous work. I think they did EUCLID 115. Edited July 18, 20195 yr by freethink
July 18, 20195 yr 41 minutes ago, freethink said: ^ Right it's actually Berusch Development not Benesch. They control the site at 55th and Euclid that was recently a gas station which demolished about a month ago. No real proposal at this point but speculation is it will be residential based on some of their previous work. I think they did EUCLID 115. Got it, that makes a little more sense! Thanks for clarifying.
July 18, 20195 yr This Cleveland architect makes some good points about using local talent for the new Cleveland Foundation HQ in the Crains link below. Also, i just saw the rendering. Pretty uninspiring and its only a 2-3 story building. I'd rather the Cleveland Foundation be downtown in a high rise---it would fit their stature better than a plain, low-rise building. https://www.crainscleveland.com/opinion/personal-view-cleveland-foundation-overlooks-local-architects-new-headquarters Edited July 18, 20195 yr by Pugu
July 19, 20195 yr Correct, Berusch. Sorry for the brain cramp. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 2, 20195 yr not big news.... the mansion on 79th and Carnegie is gone to make way for a dunkin donuts.... across the street angie's soul food has done a good job refurbishing the old hot sauce williams building... Edited August 2, 20195 yr by lockdog
August 3, 20195 yr 3 hours ago, lockdog said: not big news.... the mansion on 79th and Carnegie is gone to make way for a dunkin donuts.... across the street angie's soul food has done a good job refurbishing the old hot sauce williams building... Dunkin’ Donuts is going to be awesome at that location and when Angie’s soul food finally open that would awesome. Cannot wait. Great for us Cleveland Clinic employees
August 3, 20195 yr 5 minutes ago, osu4brutus03 said: Dunkin’ Donuts is going to be awesome at that location and when Angie’s soul food finally open that would awesome. Cannot wait. Great for us Cleveland Clinic employees it'll be great for creating new patients for the clinic too.
August 3, 20195 yr Work looks to be going on with the dilapidated apartment building next to the DD site too. I've noticed some new windows installed in the west wall. It was in one of the news stories on DD that it was going to be fully rehabbed. That will be great - it is a gorgeous building.
August 5, 20195 yr field of dreams... I think the proposed Cleveland foundation development will have such a huge affect on that intersection...
August 7, 20195 yr On 8/5/2019 at 4:01 PM, lockdog said: field of dreams... I think the proposed Cleveland foundation development will have such a huge affect on that intersection... I’m excited for the dilapidated lot to be filled in. It would be great to be a park if it were actually made into a decent park. But it’s a blight on Euclid Avenue, which is an otherwise really great street. It would be really great if the big lot next to Gallucis could be developed into a street abutting building.
August 7, 20195 yr On 7/3/2019 at 8:05 AM, Htsguy said: For what it is worth I quickly reviewed a brief filed in DT lawsuit and it would appear to me that the grounds for the suit are pretty shaky. That said the assigned judge is very unpredictable. Update on the Dunham Tavern lawsuit. A couple of weeks ago the court ruled on the defendant's motion for judgment on the pleadings and ruled in defendant's favor dismissing the entire lawsuit. An opinion by the court has not yet been filed but is apparently forth coming. Of course the plaintiffs can still appeal which would continue to gum up the proposed property sale. I have a vague recollection that the Cleveland Foundation indicated in the past that the deal had to consummated by September of this year (why I am not quite sure) so an appeal would hamper that closing date if the reasons for a Sept. transfer are actually true and/or still in play.
August 7, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, imjustinjk said: I’m excited for the dilapidated lot to be filled in. It would be great to be a park if it were actually made into a decent park. But it’s a blight on Euclid Avenue, which is an otherwise really great street. It would be really great if the big lot next to Gallucis could be developed into a street abutting building. Not at all. Its neither blighted nor dilapidated but rather well kept. I think residents there will regret it one day.
August 7, 20195 yr 22 minutes ago, shack said: Not at all. Its neither blighted nor dilapidated but rather well kept. I think residents there will regret it one day. It's a patch of grass that serves no purpose.
August 7, 20195 yr 1 minute ago, imjustinjk said: It's a patch of grass that serves no purpose. Its a historic location that was meant to preserve the rural character of the Western Reserve that was once there. This project destroys an irreplaceable part of Cleveland's history. They could have built around this property and accommodate both. Nothing special about this particular intersection. Plenty of side streets between Chester and Euclid that could have been developed.
August 7, 20195 yr Just now, shack said: This project destroys an irreplaceable part of Cleveland's history. Could this be more wrong? There was a large building occupying the site. They tore it down and made it a grass lot. So how can you possibly say that the grass lot is irreplaceable? Edited August 7, 20195 yr by sizzlinbeef typo
August 7, 20195 yr 9 minutes ago, shack said: Its a historic location that was meant to preserve the rural character of the Western Reserve that was once there. This project destroys an irreplaceable part of Cleveland's history. They could have built around this property and accommodate both. Nothing special about this particular intersection. Plenty of side streets between Chester and Euclid that could have been developed. On that score, doesn't the Greater Cleveland area destroy the rural character of the Western Reserve? So let's get rid of all of that too. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 7, 20195 yr There’s more than enough urban prairie to look at on the east side to remind us of way back when (even though it was probably more forested than today anyway). We don’t need it on a main thoroughfare. My hovercraft is full of eels
August 7, 20195 yr 5 minutes ago, Terdolph said: It is irreplaceable because it is directly adjacent to Dunham Tavern and they had/have site and mission appropriate plans for that land. Precisely! It needs the entire block to function properly as a stand-in for the farmstead that once was. Context is everything here.
August 7, 20195 yr The context is that it's between two major thoroughfares and on a primary transit corridor among the first- and fourth-largest employment centers in Ohio. Yes, it's very fortunate that Dunham Tavern survived the massive development of a rapidly industrializing city. Perhaps we should pay an homage to that context as well, while looking forward to the future of that neighborhood, its city and this region. Or are we just picking contexts that suit our personal preferences? Edited August 7, 20195 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 7, 20195 yr 2 hours ago, KJP said: On that score, doesn't the Greater Cleveland area destroy the rural character of the Western Reserve? So let's get rid of all of that too. 99% of the time I would agree with you but I have to draw the line somewhere. It's the last remnant from a bygone era from the city's collective past. This is akin to a lobotomy from "One flew over the Cuckoo''s Nest".
August 8, 20195 yr 4 hours ago, shack said: 99% of the time I would agree with you but I have to draw the line somewhere. It's the last remnant from a bygone era from the city's collective past. This is akin to a lobotomy from "One flew over the Cuckoo''s Nest". I don't get this mentality. It's not a remnant. It was replaced long ago by other uses. The Dunham Tavern itself is significant and important because it remained. Having sheep graze there in the lot next door to remind people that sheep used to graze there doesn't add significant value to the experience, in my opinion. It's akin to removing the concrete from the surrounding streets to remind people that streets used to be dirt and gravel, as KJP alludes to up-thread. I'm going off-topic and won't take this argument further.
August 8, 20195 yr 14 minutes ago, Terdolph said: It's a unique place in the heart of the city. Sort of like this place in NYC..... what do they call it? Oh yeah, Central Park! (not to be confused with Terdolph Park) Lol. Central Park was designed by Frederick Law Olmsted. The lot next the Dunham was designed by a wrecking ball.
August 8, 20195 yr 54 minutes ago, Terdolph said: It's a unique place in the heart of the city. Sort of like this place in NYC..... what do they call it? Oh yeah, Central Park! (not to be confused with Terdolph Park) If they had their way they would fill in Central Park with high-rises!
August 18, 20195 yr SATURDAY, AUGUST 17, 2019 Midtown property sale designed to spur new development On Aug. 20, the Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority's (GCRTA) Board of Trustees is expected to approve selling a chunk of Euclid Avenue land in Midtown to a Cleveland Foundation affiliate for future development. The sale is the latest example of intensifying interest in rejuvenating this once-vibrant neighborhood that's been relegated to pass-through status for more than 40 years. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/08/midtown-property-sale-designed-to-spur.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 18, 20195 yr Here are two views of the RTA property to be sold, seen at right, one from circa 1980, the other from September 2018. Both are looking east along Euclid Avenue. The 1980-era photo was taken from the elevated railroad bridge. The 2018 view was taken from a Google Streetview..... Circa 1980: Sept. 2018: Edited August 18, 20195 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 18, 20195 yr If this neighborhood wasn’t wiped off the face of the earth it could have been the City’s finest.
August 18, 20195 yr 45 minutes ago, w28th said: If this neighborhood wasn’t wiped off the face of the earth it could have been the City’s finest. I could say that about Euclid-East 105th too. Or maybe Five Points in Collinwood. Or Woodland-Kinsman-East 55th, or Broadway-East 55th, or a few other candidates. Point is, efforts are underway to rebuild this neighborhood and others. Let's look ahead, not to the last 50 years of destruction. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 18, 20195 yr What would need to be done to ensure that there is space for a new Penn Station commuter rail station on that railroad bridge at Euclid and East 55? If we can get commuter rail going, that would presumably be the transfer point for Clinic employees and possibly also a good chunk of UC employees, considering how much more convenient Health Line stations are compared to the Red Line. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
August 18, 20195 yr 30 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said: What would need to be done to ensure that there is space for a new Penn Station commuter rail station on that railroad bridge at Euclid and East 55? If we can get commuter rail going, that would presumably be the transfer point for Clinic employees and possibly also a good chunk of UC employees, considering how much more convenient Health Line stations are compared to the Red Line. It wouldn't be hard to preserve it. There were four tracks through there, and you can still see the station platforms as well as the capped openings for the stairwells and baggage elevators. NS still owns the entire width of the right of way so it's doubtful a bike trail or some non-rail use would be allowed on to the right of way. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 18, 20195 yr For those of us that are younger, it is absolutely unfathomable that the first picture is the east side of Cleveland.
August 18, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, jjames0408 said: For those of us that are younger, it is absolutely unfathomable that the first picture is the east side of Cleveland. Then you probably will have difficulty with these as well. They were taken in roughly the same location and also about 1980. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 19, 20195 yr 20 hours ago, KJP said: Then you probably will have difficulty with these as well. They were taken in roughly the same location and also about 1980. These I remember. I guess my father lived in one of the buildings around 55th/Euclid in the 60's as a college student.
August 19, 20195 yr 21 hours ago, KJP said: Then you probably will have difficulty with these as well. They were taken in roughly the same location and also about 1980. The presence of those large buildings didn't make the old Euclid Avenue so wide and oversized. Side note, that was A LOT of tear down. Who was behind this tear down? That is a large stretch, I've only witnessed such tear down when they have a replacement plan in place, clearly that wasn't the case. Edited August 19, 20195 yr by MyPhoneDead I had more to say
August 19, 20195 yr This is the Midtown: Development and News thread, not the Midtown: Trip Down Memory Lane thread. Can we get back on topic?
August 19, 20195 yr Just imagining that all these buildings could have been redeveloped into luxury apartments is making me sad. It's time to rebuild.
August 19, 20195 yr On 8/17/2019 at 9:50 PM, KJP said: SATURDAY, AUGUST 17, 2019 Midtown property sale designed to spur new development On Aug. 20, the Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority's (GCRTA) Board of Trustees is expected to approve selling a chunk of Euclid Avenue land in Midtown to a Cleveland Foundation affiliate for future development. The sale is the latest example of intensifying interest in rejuvenating this once-vibrant neighborhood that's been relegated to pass-through status for more than 40 years. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/08/midtown-property-sale-designed-to-spur.html A few days ago the plaintiff's challenging the sale of Dunham Tavern property to the Cleveland Foundation filed an appeal of the trial court decision in favor of Dunham Tavern and the sale. Will be interesting to see if the GCRTA sale to the Foundation discussed in @KJP's blog post will be put on hold pending resolution of the appeal. Again I believe the DT has a stronger position (as it won rather quickly in the trial court) but an appeal will take time (8-9 months or so) and it could gum things up which is often an ancillary goal of such litigation.
August 19, 20195 yr 12 minutes ago, Htsguy said: A few days ago the plaintiff's challenging the sale of Dunham Tavern property to the Cleveland Foundation filed an appeal of the trial court decision in favor of Dunham Tavern and the sale. Will be interesting to see if the GCRTA sale to the Foundation discussed in @KJP's blog post will be put on hold pending resolution of the appeal. Again I believe the DT has a stronger position (as it won rather quickly in the trial court) but an appeal will take time (8-9 months or so) and it could gum things up which is often an ancillary goal of such litigation. The Cleveland Foundation has broader goals regarding neighborhood redevelopment. Their proposed HQ relocation to Midtown is but a part of that goal. So is a transit-oriented development of an RTA-owned property. I believe these are separate projects albeit under the same overall mission. Thus, I don't see that one will affect the other, otherwise I doubt it would be on the RTA board's agenda for final approval tomorrow. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 24, 20195 yr Such great old photos! There were still a lot these buildings in the mid-80s when I was little. My mom used to take us on the bus downtown to Woolworths and when we got to this stretch of Euclid I thought I was in New York City or something. They left such a huge impression on me... staggering to watch them all go, but encouraging to see so much sprouting up in the last few years. Thanks for sharing all this knowledge in these forums, everyone ? Edited August 24, 20195 yr by Nickel Plate RR
August 24, 20195 yr Welcome @Nickel Plate RR! I'm a big fan of your forum name, and your namesake! I live just 10 houses from it in Lakewood. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 24, 20195 yr Just now, KJP said: Welcome @Nickel Plate RR! I'm a big fan of your forum name, and your namesake! I live just 10 houses from it in Lakewood. Ha, thank you! And thanks for sharing all your knowledge over the years. I’ve been surfing through these forums for a long time and finally thought I’d chime in.
August 24, 20195 yr 2 minutes ago, Nickel Plate RR said: Ha, thank you! And thanks for sharing all your knowledge over the years. I’ve been surfing through these forums for a long time and finally thought I’d chime in. My knowledge is in transportation. I don't know much about real estate news except where to find it. ? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 28, 20195 yr I'm pretty excited about this... Quote CLEVELAND, Ohio — Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority has sold a piece of land on Euclid Avenue to an arm of the Cleveland Foundation, which intends to develop the 3.2-acre site into residential, office and retail space. https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/08/rta-sells-midtown-property-to-cleveland-foundation-for-mixed-use-development.html
August 28, 20195 yr This is the area to the south Euclid and East of the tracks, I assume. It doesn't appear to actually be 3.2 acres, though. More like 2.2, unless there is another acre somewhere nearby included.
August 28, 20195 yr On 8/17/2019 at 9:50 PM, KJP said: SATURDAY, AUGUST 17, 2019 Midtown property sale designed to spur new development On Aug. 20, the Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority's (GCRTA) Board of Trustees is expected to approve selling a chunk of Euclid Avenue land in Midtown to a Cleveland Foundation affiliate for future development. The sale is the latest example of intensifying interest in rejuvenating this once-vibrant neighborhood that's been relegated to pass-through status for more than 40 years. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/08/midtown-property-sale-designed-to-spur.html I had that story 10 days ago... ? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 17, 20195 yr A couple of interesting demolitions pending. They're interesting to me because the properties were bought earlier this year by development-related nonprofits -- the East 55th property was bought by the Port Authority and the Prospect property was bought by Lassi/MidTown CDC. However both demolitions were requested by MidTown CDC..... 5000 PROSPECT AVE DEMOLITION Return to Case List | Start Over | Print Report (PDF format) Project Information Euclid Corridor Case # EC 2019-043 Address:5000 Prospect Company:MidTown Cleveland Inc. 1979 E 55TH STREET DEMOLITION Return to Case List | Start Over | Print Report (PDF format) Project Information Euclid Corridor Case # EC 2019-042 Address:1979 E 55th Street Company:MidTown Cleveland Inc. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 17, 20195 yr Neither of those will be any sort of architectural loss, and both could be steps to creating sizable development sites.
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