that's what I was thinking...I guess all development is infill...they're filling in the world

Miami Township Trustees Debate Austin Road Funding

 

 

Apparently one of the trustees is sort of balking at the TIF funding?

 

Township trustees continue to debate an agreement committing the township to at least $10 million in investment for the next phase of the Austin Landing development.

 

After the meeting, Trustees Deborah Preston and Mike Nolan said they continued to discuss how much to contribute to the project and whether to build a township government center there.

 

Preston said she continued to press for protection of public funds used to finance the project, which officials said is to be paid off with tax incremental financing set aside from property taxes on the development.

 

...there a nice little site plan at the link, too.  Seems like they are trying for something Green-esque with the residential part. 

 

Also, a legal spat between the two trustees mentioned in the above linked artilce

 

Trustee Upset Meeting Was Recorded

 

A township trustee has asked the Montgomery County Prosecutor’s Office for legal advice because he claims a fellow trustee secretly recorded an executive session and is using privileged information to help opponents in the Nov. 8 election....

 

....Trustee Mike Nolan said he asked the prosecutor’s office for help after being told Trustee Deborah Preston recorded a recent executive session.

 

 

..the recent session being about the Twp financing of the mixed use developement.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kroger looks to open in Austin Landing

 

 

A new Kroger store could be coming to Austin Landing, according to Miami Township documents.

 

Officials submitted a plan to Miami Township zoning commission for the construction of a 99,000-square-foot Kroger and a fuel station in Austin Landing, a 142-acre mixed-use development in Miami Township that sits on the line between Montgomery and Warren counties.

 

The new grocery store, which would feature a drive-thru pharmacy, would be located to the east of the 125-room Hilton Garden Inn scheduled to open in early 2013.

 

More below:

http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news/2012/02/17/kroger-looks-to-open-in-austin-landing.html

I'm wondering what (if anything) will happen to the Springboro Kroger store on Rt.73 (Central Ave) not too far south of Austin Landing?  That store services both Springboro and Franklin/Carlisle.  While it isn't a new store, it does decent business.

It'll probably close.

Most of those I have encountered on this forum state they are dedicated to urban type developments. Then how can you be anything but against what is happening here? Office buildings with big-box stores interspersed along with a few cheaply constructed apartment buildings is not urban. Where is the common fabric? This is large scale development pure and simple. They say it will encompass 1200 acres, I believe that exceeds the total area of OTR in Cincinnati. The Liberty Towne Square in Warren county is more of the same.

 

What I seem to sense is redevelopment in dilapidated areas like OTR in Cincinnati you understand, buy some proprerty cheap invest a few bucks and make a profit. But when it involves getting out there and mixing it up with the big developers you fold like a cheap tent.

Who in God's name are you talking to?

 

Who in God's name are you talking to?

 

Who do you think I am talking to. Those whose are committed to urban type developemts in the area should abhor this thing. This is just another urban sprawl development between Dayton and Cincinnati. Before long there will be so much sprawl that discussion of anything else will be mute.

Typical city-data poster.

kjbrill, just because we are discussing it doesn't mean we like it. Who is saying this or Liberty Town Square are good things?

 

Frankly, most of us would prefer virtually nothing be developed in these areas. Look on this page, the way people are joking about developers' use of the word "infill" for greenfield development. We'd prefer the green fields stay.

 

BTW not to be picky or insulting, but in case you are curious and don't know, the word you were intending to use is "moot" not "mute".

Yeah, I don't think anyone is saying "Austin Landing is great!  Take THAT Oregon District!"  This is strictly a development portion of the forum, for both good and awful.

Who in God's name are you talking to?

 

Who do you think I am talking to. Those whose are committed to urban type developemts in the area should abhor this thing. This is just another urban sprawl development between Dayton and Cincinnati. Before long there will be so much sprawl that discussion of anything else will be mute.

 

Sorry it is rather odd that you appear to be addressing the entire...forum community?

What I am saying is where are the protestors against this type of development when hearings are held on them. It seems the developers are just getting their way with no resistance. The developers are going to go with what makes them the most bucks.

What I am saying is where are the protestors against this type of development when hearings are held on them. It seems the developers are just getting their way with no resistance. The developers are going to go with what makes them the most bucks.

 

Similarly to how suburbanites have been impotent to stop the streetcar, it is incumbent upon residents of these communities to protest what they don't like, as others have very little say. Even if spending money on zero-sum developments hurts the whole region, it's beyond our reasonable control.

 

If you want to see instances of people from this board going up against big developers in protest, look at the historic preservation movement.

 

I think you would find many people here in favor of an "urban growth boundary" similar to what exists in , e.g., Oregon. However, it doesn't seem to be a prudent battle at this time, and with I-75 developed basically to Dayton, the idea of a ring boundary is already impossible -- that cat's out of the bag. (Can you imagine Warren or Butler counties agreeing to something like that?! Or Clermont County? Or Governor Kasich?)

 

Another thing we tend to do is not focus on individual projects in suburbia, but try to nip the encouragement of sprawl in the bud. You'll see a lot of use speaking out against the Brent Spence Bridge supplement, the I-75 widening, and the Eastern Corridor "expansion of I-74". Not only is it more effective to attack the source, but as most of us in the area are citizens of Cincinnati and Hamilton County, we're in a better position to be listened to. Even still, when the feds want to throw lots of Chinese money at sprawl encouragement, it's pretty hard to stop.

But something like the Brent Spence Bridge project is not an entirely new development, it is a replacement for an aging bridge. The fact the close to 5% of the entire annual product of the US flows down the I-75 corridor from Michigan to Florida tells you it will not be stopped.

 

Some of the objections I have is the current plans call for entirely replacing the existing Brent Spence Bridge. I keep going Why? Why? as it is 48 years old. If it is so delapidated it is falling apart then abviously maintenace procedures were not in place and those responsible should be held to task. If it is a dangerous structure, then the Golden Gate in San Francisco which is 85 years old must be a danger to everyone who drives over it every day.

 

Build a parallel bridge to the Brent Spence, likely of similar design. If the current traffic on the Brent spence is made one way, should be rather simple to do, the existing entrance exit ramps should be easily modified for one way traffic. There is then plenty of room for wider lanes, emergency stopping lanes etc. Make the new bridge a pretty much mirror image the opposite direction. But our public officials do not want to hear about conserving expenses. OH no, they have a concept of their own which just says NEW without regard to where the money comes from.

http://youtu.be/dGXMlyCfvF8

Kjbrill, I think if you go back over this thread, you won't see a lot of positive comments about this project. 

Kjbrill, I think if you go back over this thread, you won't see a lot of positive comments about this project.

 

I agree it has not been praised a lot. But I also have seen very little organized opposition to it. Most has been standard press releases from either developers or various governmental officials who seem all for it. I get the feeling is we bettter grab off this development before Butler or Warren counties beat us to in.

 

I also get the feeling it has the potential of turning Dayton Mall into another Forest Fair.

^That's not going to happen.  Bus hub alone will guarentee it from failing anytime soon.  Austin Landing isn't going to be a retail destination.

^That's not going to happen.  Bus hub alone will guarentee it from failing anytime soon.  Austin Landing isn't going to be a retail destination.

 

Why do you say that? Just because the developers several years ago said it would not be a retail development means nothing once the actual occupants begin to commit. When I see a big-box store such as Kohls being one of the first right smack dab in the middle of it, I feel not only retail, but big-box retail. And this does not forbid well for Dayton Mall.

Why do you say that? Just because the developers several years ago said it would not be a retail development means nothing once the actual occupants begin to commit. When I see a big-box store such as Kohls being one of the first right smack dab in the middle of it, I feel not only retail, but big-box retail. And this does not forbid well for Dayton Mall.

 

A Kohl's is about it.  Mostly restaurants and there is not THAT much space they want to build in.  Even IF there is a retail center, it STILL won't take away from the Dayton Mall due to it being a regional center for SOUTH Dayton folks.  The Greene is not in competition with the Dayton Mall as it is not that close for folks in Centerville or Miamisburg.  And seeing how the Dayton Mall is 95% occupied, I'm pretty sure it'll be okay. It'd be like saying Northgate is going to close because Kenwood or Tri-County are taking away all those retailers.  It isn't.  The only center remotely going by way of the axe is Town & Country in Kettering and THAT'S due to the The Greene.  Austin Landing is like a whole smaller version of that Streets of West Chester thing.  It wasn't the death of Tri-County when it was built (though that Liberty Square thing may be).

^That's not going to happen.  Bus hub alone will guarentee it from failing anytime soon.  Austin Landing isn't going to be a retail destination.

 

Why do you say that? Just because the developers several years ago said it would not be a retail development means nothing once the actual occupants begin to commit. When I see a big-box store such as Kohls being one of the first right smack dab in the middle of it, I feel not only retail, but big-box retail. And this does not forbid well for Dayton Mall.

 

Dayton Mall has survived the Mall at Fairfield Commons, it's survived The Greene, it's survived the Cincinnati Premium Outlets, and it's survived rampant development in every direction surrounding it for years. And it'll survive whatever Austin Pike throws its way. Frankly, besides Kenwood, the Dayton Mall is the best indoor mall in southwest Ohio and has been for many years.

 

Where other once-popular malls have seen their heyday come and go (Tri-County, Forest Fair, Fairfield, etc.), Dayton Mall has been remarkably consistent and able to adapt.

 

 

 

A Kohl's is about it.  Mostly restaurants and there is not THAT much space they want to build in.  Even IF there is a retail center, it STILL won't take away from the Dayton Mall due to it being a regional center for SOUTH Dayton folks.  The Greene is not in competition with the Dayton Mall as it is not that close for folks in Centerville or Miamisburg.  And seeing how the Dayton Mall is 95% occupied, I'm pretty sure it'll be okay. It'd be like saying Northgate is going to close because Kenwood or Tri-County are taking away all those retailers.  It isn't.  The only center remotely going by way of the axe is Town & Country in Kettering and THAT'S due to the The Greene.  Austin Landing is like a whole smaller version of that Streets of West Chester thing.  It wasn't the death of Tri-County when it was built (though that Liberty Square thing may be).

 

 

 

While I agree that The Greene doesn't really hurt the Dayton Mall, it is literally five minutes away from parts of Centerville. I'm not sure you can get much closer than that. It's closer to the eastern part of Centerville with far easier access than the Dayton Mall is.

 

Centerville, for its part, unfortunately wants to build its own version of The Greene at Wilmington and Feedwire, on wooded land that contains a historic 18th century home.

While I agree that The Greene doesn't really hurt the Dayton Mall, it is literally five minutes away from parts of Centerville. I'm not sure you can get much closer than that. It's closer to the eastern part of Centerville with far easier access than the Dayton Mall is.

 

Centerville, for its part, unfortunately wants to build its own version of The Greene at Wilmington and Feedwire, on wooded land that contains a historic 18th century home.

 

Yup, wanted to say the same thing about how close the Greene is for those in Centerville along 675. Same with people living up near the base along 675 if they want to avoid Fairfield Commons for some reason.

 

The new development at Wilmington and Feedwire is annoying. I don't blame the property owners for selling to a developer, they've been sitting on that property for many years now. There was a big ado about what municipality was going to get that land. I think it was part of Sugar Creek township but Centerville annexed it. Kettering is the big loser in all of this. All the new retail and restaurants at the Greene and in Sugar Creek just outside Kettering city limits have really hurt businesses inside. See Town and Country for an example. T&C at least seems to have stabilized thanks in big part to Trader Joes and BW3s moving in to fill big vacancies.

 

As for the Austin Landing development, I don't see it hurting downtown at this point. It's a 20 minute car drive away. Austin Landing won't attract anyone besides people who would have gone to some other suburban space anyway.

One day in the near future Cincinnati and Dayton's MSA's will creep along I-75, joining together somewhere near Middletown. When this day happens, the terrorists will have won. #truth

One day in the near future Cincinnati and Dayton's MSA's will creep along I-75, joining together somewhere near Middletown. When this day happens, the terrorists will have won. #truth

 

If by 'terrorists' you mean 'oil interests', you are correct. An over-simplification, but even extreme facetiousness is not out of the ballpark.

Miami Township approves Kroger store at Austin Landing

 

 

A new Kroger store officially is coming to Austin Landing.

 

Plans for the construction of a 99,000-square-foot Kroger and a fuel station in the 142-acre mixed-use development in Miami Township on Tuesday were approved by the Miami Township Board of Trustees.

 

The new grocery store, which will feature a drive-thru pharmacy, will be located to the east of the 125-room Hilton Garden Inn scheduled to open in early 2013.

 

Kyle Hinkelman, Miami Township planner, said the grocery should be open before Christmas and construction should begin this spring.

 

More below:

http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news/2012/02/28/miami-township-approves-kroger-store.html

Austin Landing to add 14-screen movie complex

 

 

RG Properties has signed a deal to bring Regal Cinemas to Austin Landing.

 

On Monday, the development company unveiled plans for a 55,000-square-foot, 14-screen movie complex with about 2,700 seats. The project will create an estimated 50 jobs.

 

“We expect this state-of-the-art cinema to be an attraction for the entire region,” said Randy Gunlock, president of RG Properties. “For those already living, working or shopping at Austin Landing, it will be another great element to enjoy, and for those not yet here, it will be a reason to come and check out everything Austin Landing has to offer.”

 

More below:

http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news/2012/04/10/austin-landing-to-add-14-screen-movie.html

Hmm. That's cool I guess. The Dayton South theaters are only 4 miles away and the Danbarry is even closer, but I'm not sure if Springboro has a theater in town. Maybe it will create some more frequent movie-goers from there. Hopefully, anyway. Doubt it will kill a theater like Dayton South and The Greene did to Showcase in Centerville, but who knows.

I don't think it'll harm Rave Dayton South or Danbarry.  If I'm not mistaken, the closest "real" theater to the Springboro/Franklin area is south in Middletown (?).

Wow... I had no idea that Showcase had pulled out of Ohio (sans Springdale). They were all I knew in the Dayton area during my teens.

 

I still find it hard to believe people still go to movie theaters, let alone new ones being built!

I don't think it'll harm Rave Dayton South or Danbarry.  If I'm not mistaken, the closest "real" theater to the Springboro/Franklin area is south in Middletown (?).

 

That is correct. There is a multiplex at the southwest corner of Rt. 122 and Dixie Highway. Springboro and Franklin have nothing and Lebanon has a flea bitten, cramped multiplex at Colony Square.

 

The I-75 access for Austin Road stuff is strategic and makes stuff located there very accessible for suburbs like Springboro, which have little else. Austin Road feels pretty far if you're approaching from the north via I-75, 741 or 675, so I buy that it will not impact the Dayton Mall area that much.

 

I wonder if RTA bus service will be extended to Austin Landing.

You'd think so but I'm betting Miami Township is going to pull a Beavercreek on that one.

I wonder if RTA bus service will be extended to Austin Landing.

 

Highly doubt it, particularly since Springboro didn't want a Rec center to be built by the government as RTA service was something rumored and highly disliked in that town :P

I love this from their website:

 

"Austin Landing is in the heart of the Cincinnati-Dayton Corridor, an area long recognized for forward-thinking, innovation and invention."

 

 

RTA could go to the Kohls part of Austin Landing, and RTA is already in Miami Twp.  I think you wont see it south of the interchange, though (within Springboro city limits).

 

 

RTA can go to Austin Landing because it's still in Montgomery County and Miami Township and there is already RTA bus service in that jurisdiction (IE, there would appear to be no procedural reason why it needs to be approved by voters). I just wonder if it will be put into service.

Austin Landing poised for restaurant success

 

Dining Destination: The Village at Austin Landing, part of the overall Miami Township development, will include roughly 10 restaurants, as well as a 14-screen Regal Cinemas movie complex

 

The Dayton restaurant scene is getting another major restaurant hub.

 

Austin Landing, the region’s largest development in more than a decade, will house roughly 10 restaurants.

 

The 142-acre mixed-use development in Miami Township already has begun announcing its unique roster of restaurants, highlighted by locally-owned eateries.

 

More below:

http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/print-edition/2012/05/18/austin-landing-poised-for-restaurant.html

Wow.

 

I miss kjbrill, I wonder where he ran off to. Maybe Austin Landing! If so, he'll have plenty to eat pretty soon!

I don't think you will ever leave, Chris. 10 restaurants! :)

Wow.

 

I miss kjbrill, I wonder where he ran off to. Maybe Austin Landing! If so, he'll have plenty to eat pretty soon!

 

You are right, I just kind of ran off. Austin Landing and surroundings are a significant development. Anyone who thinks it will not affect everything from Dayton Mall to Springboro, etc. is smoking something stronger than weed.

Looks like I have magical summoning powers! :) Welcome back. (Now where is that other northern friend of ours, Scrabble?)

 

It will have an interesting effect on the nebulous gravity of the burbs up there, that is for sure. I'm not familiar enough with the area to make any bold predictions. It's pretty ambitious so there's definitely the distinct possibility that it will fall on its face in a few years' time, but if it succeeds as it is designed its effects will reverberate far and wide.

 

The thing is, the primary competitive edge it has is being new. Strategic location is part of it, but basically any nearby exit off 75 would be similarly as good a location. The threat of competition looms large, especially as the development gets 10, 20+ years old. Then all this new infrastructure which needs tax dollars to maintain starts to look like a ... boondoggle.

I couldn't read the article but I know they're very close to signing Jeff Ruby

So I went through this area for the first time yesterday and got my first taste of the continuous-flow intersection at Austin and Springboro Pike.  That has to be the most ridiculous example of over-the-top gold-plated absurd traffic engineering I've ever seen.  Aside from the immense cost of such an intersection, with all the added engineering, huge number of traffic signals and camera detectors, a lot of extra pavement, curb and gutter, medians, etc., it also functions horribly at low-traffic times.  Granted a sampling of two isn't anything to go on, but when one has to sit at a light waiting to turn left for three minutes with NO TRAFFIC coming, then something's wrong.  The same goes for turning right, which has two separate signals, both of which don't allow turning on red.  Seriously, waiting for two to three minutes just to turn right?  It really puts into perspective just how crazy things are in the exurbs. 

So I went through this area for the first time yesterday and got my first taste of the continuous-flow intersection at Austin and Springboro Pike.  That has to be the most ridiculous example of over-the-top gold-plated absurd traffic engineering I've ever seen. 

 

It's as useless as Middletown's endlessly looping major thoroughfares - IE, just for fun, try driving SR 122 through Middletown from west to east. Ramps, loops, turns ad nauseum. It's a straight through state highway through a nothing city and Middletown managed to engineer a "spaghetti bowl" out of it.

 

I think there is a large amount of pure municipal ego at work in such decisions. "Everyone will respect Middletown and will think we're awesome if it's a complete pain in the ass for through traffic to navigate our city."

 

Sorry for the thread drift but that is another local example of useless traffic over engineering.

 

I wonder what that continuous flow intersection will be like when the traffic lights go out due to a storm. Lulz.

It would all be great schadenfreude if we didn't have to help pay for it.

Hilton hotel at Austin Landing sets opening date

 

 

Austin Landing is preparing to welcome its second service tenant when the Hilton Garden Inn completes construction and opens this spring.

 

Provided construction continues as expected, the 125-room hotel plans to open March 1, said Kim Breitwieser, director of sales for the hotel.

 

More below:

http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news/2012/10/02/hilton-hotel-at-austin-landing-sets.html

What a beaut. Next time I visit the Cincinnati area, I know where I'm staying.

A bevy of news stories on this hot new location in "Daytonatti"

 

Opening dates pushed back for Austin Landing restaurants

 

Home  >  NewsPosted: 11:05 a.m. Monday, Oct. 29, 2012

 

 

Opening dates pushed back for Austin Landing restaurants

Owners say their enthusiasm for project still strong

3 0 0 86By Mark Fisher

 

Staff Writer

 

Rue Dumaine’s move to its new location in the Austin Landing development in Miami Twp. has been pushed back to early 2014, according to the restaurant’s co-owner and executive chef, Anne Kearney. Austin Landing’s developer initially said the restaurants would open as early as spring 2013.

 

“Our plans to relocate to Austin Landing are still very much a reality; however the timeline has been adjusted to better suit our needs,” Kearney said in a weekly email to Rue Dumaine’s customers. “We are planning our eventual move to take place in the late winter/early spring of 2014.”

 

“We’re doing fine where we are,” she said of the restaurant at 1061 Miamisburg-Centerville Road in Washington Twp. In addition to relocating Rue Dumaine, Kearney and Sand will open a second, more casual restaurant called Alligator Annie’s in Austin Landing.

 

What's Next for Austin Landing

 

Sirch added RG Properties is very excited Roto-Rooter's world headquarters, a $5.5 million facility will be built across the street from Austin Landing, on the other side of I-75.

 

(um...i would use the word excited....maybe suprised)

 

Also...Miami Township governemnt is moving a part of their offices to Austin Landing.  I suspect this is signalling on giving up on the Dayton Mall area.

 

Austin Landing businesses face charge/Township could open office in village

 

One of the keys to the sustainability of the village is to make it the town center for Miami Twp., as both the proposed location of the township offices and a gathering place for residents,” according to the agreement approved Tuesday.

 

$7M shopping center latest planned at Austin Landing

 

A $7 million shopping center, featuring 10 retailers, is the latest addition planned at the Austin Landing, the $150 million development off the new Interstate 75 interchange near the Montgomery-Warren county line.

 

Despite questions by Miami Twp. planners, RG Properties will finish the building, on the northeast corner of Ohio 741 and Austin Boulevard, by next spring, RG Properties President Randy Gunlock said last week.

 

So far known only as Building O, the structure will offer storefronts on all four sides, Gunlock said. It will anchor the southwest corner of a mixed-use village, much like the Greene Towne Center in Beavercreek.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Probably the biggest dirty deal in the Dayton area is this selective income tax...that taxes service industry employees working in the food, drink, hospitality, and retail establishments at Austin Boulevard, but exempts the white collar professional/managerial class working in the office buildings.

 

Income tax looms for some at Austin Landing

 

Developer, others in office buildings are exempt.

 

 

MIAMI TWP., Montgomery County — Austin Landing workers who do not work in offices within the $150 million development may soon have to pay a 2.25 percent income tax.

 

Recently designated boundaries for a joint economic development exclude – at least for now – office buildings housing the Teradata headquarters and a growing list of tenants, including the developer, RG Properties. Also excluded from income taxation will be upper floors of buildings around the development’s town center, set aside as offices.

 

“The developer has agreed he will include hospitality, entertainment and retail (in the taxing district),” Assistant Administrator Greg Rogers said after the Miami Twp. trustees voted unanimously earlier this week to approve the boundaries.

 

So I wonder what the deal here is.  Has the developer been making big contributions to the Twp trustees.  This seems so unjust...the people who can least afford an additional tax are the ones who pay, and the affluent are exempted. 

 

This really, really stinks.