May 31, 20232 yr Got downvoted to hell today on Reddit for saying that Clintonville is the s**ttiest urban density corridor in the city.
June 1, 20232 yr There was an article in whatever printed neighborhood paper they have on the City's rezoning efforts and the commissioner said 'it's hard to add density. Clintonville is a streetcar community and has narrow shallow lots'... and I dont believe either of those is true. But beyond that, the sheer ignorance of 'narrow and shallow lots' somehow preventing density... He did later go on to acknowledge that Clintonvillains need to be a part of the City Rezoning conversation and participate otherwise they'll get bulldozed. He encouraged all residents to attend the meetings to He heard. Basically a veiled call to arms while trying to seem more 'both sides' about it.
June 1, 20232 yr 7 hours ago, DTCL11 said: There was an article in whatever printed neighborhood paper they have on the City's rezoning efforts and the commissioner said 'it's hard to add density. Clintonville is a streetcar community and has narrow shallow lots'... and I dont believe either of those is true. But beyond that, the sheer ignorance of 'narrow and shallow lots' somehow preventing density... He did later go on to acknowledge that Clintonvillains need to be a part of the City Rezoning conversation and participate otherwise they'll get bulldozed. He encouraged all residents to attend the meetings to He heard. Basically a veiled call to arms while trying to seem more 'both sides' about it. Haha good luck, it’s pretty much a done deal that zoning is changing and is going to permit density. People don’t even really care if the neighborhood itself doesn’t develop, but but some 3-4 story mixed use builds along high and shut the hell up. Part of me hopes they try to fight it and ruin the community so much that housing drops.
June 1, 20232 yr 13 hours ago, VintageLife said: Got downvoted to hell today on Reddit for saying that Clintonville is the s**ttiest urban density corridor in the city. To be fair... I don't think Clintonville has ever wanted to be a "dense urban corridor". Hard to call it s**tty urban density when that is never what it has attempted to be. Clintonville has always tried to be "the suburb that's in the city". That being said... we need more dense developments along High Street in Clintonville.
June 1, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, TIm said: To be fair... I don't think Clintonville has ever wanted to be a "dense urban corridor". Hard to call it s**tty urban density when that is never what it has attempted to be. Clintonville has always tried to be "the suburb that's in the city". That being said... we need more dense developments along High Street in Clintonville. Maybe not the entirety of Clintonville, but certainly the High St. and Indianola corridors are, or were. The amount that North High has actually regressed in urban, walkable density in recent years is shameful. The intersection of N. High and N. Broadway is the shining example of that. I think that's what's being called out as s**tty urban density, and rightfully so.
June 1, 20232 yr 14 minutes ago, CMHOhio said: Maybe not the entirety of Clintonville, but certainly the High St. and Indianola corridors are, or were. The amount that North High has actually regressed in urban, walkable density in recent years is shameful. The intersection of N. High and N. Broadway is the shining example of that. I think that's what's being called out as s**tty urban density, and rightfully so. Yep exactly, I should have worded my statement a little different by adding urban density building and design. It always cracks me up when I call out Clintonville for not being a comfortable walkable neighborhood and people get mad. They claim that it’s super walkable in the neighborhood area and that’s true, but that isn’t what makes a walkable urban area. High st should be enjoyable to walk but it’s just loud and cars drive by going insanely fast because it’s basically a 6 lane road. Indianola is the same with just less development to walk to. It should have a few sections that have great walkable fun things. Such a disappointing area that has so much potential to be incredible.
June 1, 20232 yr 27 minutes ago, VintageLife said: Yep exactly, I should have worded my statement a little different by adding urban density building and design. It always cracks me up when I call out Clintonville for not being a comfortable walkable neighborhood and people get mad. They claim that it’s super walkable in the neighborhood area and that’s true, but that isn’t what makes a walkable urban area. High st should be enjoyable to walk but it’s just loud and cars drive by going insanely fast because it’s basically a 6 lane road. Indianola is the same with just less development to walk to. It should have a few sections that have great walkable fun things. Such a disappointing area that has so much potential to be incredible. Can't get behind this at all, it's a super walkable neighborhood. Within about a 15 minute walk I've got just about everything you could need to exist available to me. Yes, sometimes you have to cross streets that cars use but that doesn't mean it isn't walkable. Living here it's a very active neighborhood at the pedestrian level, there are always people walking around doing things. If this city didn't have this neighborhood, I doubt I would even live in Ohio anymore. If you go search the walkability of the South Clintonville zip code, it's identified as "very walkable", because it is. It's just one road you need to cross sometimes and there are plenty of stop lights and crosswalks to be able to do that safely. Is it the most walkable neighborhood? No, that would be the Short North. Is it significantly more walkable than just about every other neighborhood minus a few and every suburb and exurb? Yes, absolutely. Edited June 1, 20232 yr by TIm
June 1, 20232 yr 45 minutes ago, CMHOhio said: Maybe not the entirety of Clintonville, but certainly the High St. and Indianola corridors are, or were. The amount that North High has actually regressed in urban, walkable density in recent years is shameful. The intersection of N. High and N. Broadway is the shining example of that. I think that's what's being called out as s**tty urban density, and rightfully so. Them actively never building dense urban things at any of these intersections should be the obvious sign that they were NOT trying to make it dense. If they were trying to do that, they wouldn't be building single story banks. Not saying it's right, the intersection or North Broadway and High makes me shake my fist every time I pass through it, but they have actively been trying to ensure this neighborhood isn't dense since they removed the street car like 70 years ago. This neighborhood use to be the summer home destination for OSU professors so they could escape the "big city" for crying out loud!
June 1, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, TIm said: Within about a 15 minute walk I've got just about everything you could need to exist available to me. You could say this about most of the area along Morse but that doesn’t mean it’s an enjoyable walk. Neighborhoods should feel comfortable when you go to get your basic needs. The short north is popular because you can enjoy the walk you take even while walking along high. I feel like people confuse me saying it isn’t walkable with it being a s**tty neighborhood, which isn’t what I’m saying. Edited June 1, 20232 yr by VintageLife
June 1, 20232 yr 10 minutes ago, VintageLife said: You could say this about most of the area along Morse but that doesn’t mean it’s an enjoyable walk. Neighborhoods should feel comfortable when you go to get your basic needs. The short north is popular because you can enjoy the walk you take even while walking along high. I feel like people confuse me saying it isn’t walkable with it being a s**tty neighborhood, which isn’t what I’m saying. Parts of Morse don't even have sidewalks. Everywhere in Clintonville has sidewalks. Morse and other roads like Bethel also have significantly less areas for pedestrians to safely cross compared to Clintonville where there is one like every 1/8th to 1/4 of a mile. And who are you to decide what is an enjoyable or acceptable area to walk for everyone? I thoroughly enjoy my time walking up and down High Street and parts of Indianola patronizing the local businesses peppered along the road. If you don't enjoy that environment, means the neighborhood is not for you which is probably why you don't live here. The reasons I chose to live here are because of the walkability, access to pedestrian only parks (no cars allowed!), the mature trees, the abundance of cool local businesses and the convenience of being able to access everything Columbus has to offer within a 15 minute drive. Edited June 1, 20232 yr by TIm
June 1, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, TIm said: Parts of Morse don't even have sidewalks. Everywhere in Clintonville has sidewalks. Morse and other roads like Bethel also have significantly less areas for pedestrians to safely cross compared to Clintonville where there is one like every 1/8th to 1/4 of a mile. And who are you to decide what is an enjoyable or acceptable area to walk for everyone? I thoroughly enjoy my time walking up and down High Street and parts of Indianola patronizing the local businesses peppered along the road. If you don't enjoy that environment, means the neighborhood is not for you which is probably why you don't live here. The reasons I chose to live here are because of the walkability, access to pedestrian only parks (no cars allowed!), the mature trees, the abundance of cool local businesses and the convenience of being able to access everything Columbus has to offer within a 15 minute drive. I live off of Indianola technically the glen echo area and I enjoy the neighborhood just wish it was better than what it is.
June 1, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, VintageLife said: I live off of Indianola technically the glen echo area and I enjoy the neighborhood just wish it was better than what it is. Can both want improvements without needing to dump on what we already have!
June 1, 20232 yr 12 minutes ago, TIm said: Can both want improvements without needing to dump on what we already have! That is true, but too much defending what is currently there adds to the, we don’t need to unproven or make it better, that’s just my opinion though.
June 2, 20232 yr 9 hours ago, VintageLife said: You could say this about most of the area along Morse but that doesn’t mean it’s an enjoyable walk. Wowza, equating North High through Clintonville to Morse Road. One is 50ft wide with a line of trees and then sidewalks and then low rise buildings transitioning to dense neighborhoods. The other is a 100ft divided highway bounded by a small grassy median then huge expanses of parking lots in front of aging big box stores and strip malls. But sure, equally unwalkable in your opinion, noted.
June 2, 20232 yr 9 hours ago, 17thState said: Wowza, equating North High through Clintonville to Morse Road. One is 50ft wide with a line of trees and then sidewalks and then low rise buildings transitioning to dense neighborhoods. The other is a 100ft divided highway bounded by a small grassy median then huge expanses of parking lots in front of aging big box stores and strip malls. But sure, equally unwalkable in your opinion, noted. He did not really say they are equally walkable, or equally unwalkable, just that it can be done. Even Hilliard Rome rd. is walkable, if you don't mind possibly being killed by a car or semi. His point was about the enjoyability of the walk. Hillard Rome rd. would be incredibly unenjoyable, but it could be done. High in Clintonville is not as enjoyable as High in the Short North, but well above Morse rd. when it comes to enjoyable walkability. He clarified what he meant. *I have witnessed poor souls trying to maneuver Hilliard Rome rd. on foot. What a disgrace that stretch is.
June 2, 20232 yr 55 minutes ago, Toddguy said: He did not really say they are equally walkable, or equally unwalkable, just that it can be done. Even Hilliard Rome rd. is walkable, if you don't mind possibly being killed by a car or semi. His point was about the enjoyability of the walk. Hillard Rome rd. would be incredibly unenjoyable, but it could be done. High in Clintonville is not as enjoyable as High in the Short North, but well above Morse rd. when it comes to enjoyable walkability. He clarified what he meant. *I have witnessed poor souls trying to maneuver Hilliard Rome rd. on foot. What a disgrace that stretch is. When you compare the walkability of anywhere in Columbus to the Short North, whatever you are comparing it to is going to come in second every time. The Short North is statistically the most walkable neighborhood in Columbus so naturally everything else will seem lesser in comparison. The Short North would be like an A rating while Clintonville would be about a C or C+, but the city as a whole has a walkability score of a very low F (think it's like 23/100) so a C rated neighborhood is fantastic. Edited June 2, 20232 yr by TIm
June 2, 20232 yr 15 minutes ago, TIm said: When you compare the walkability of anywhere in Columbus to the Short North, whatever you are comparing it to is going to come in second every time. The Short North is statistically the most walkable neighborhood in Columbus so naturally everything else will seem lesser in comparison. The Short North would be like an A rating while Clintonville would be about a C or C+, but the city as a whole has a walkability score of a very low F (think it's like 23/100) so a C rated neighborhood is fantastic. That’s the point though, clintonville has the ability to be just as good as the short north, if not better. They can see what the short north got right and what could be done better. There is no excuse for having so many parking lots along high st and so many new single story single use buildings.
June 2, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, TIm said: When you compare the walkability of anywhere in Columbus to the Short North, whatever you are comparing it to is going to come in second every time. The Short North is statistically the most walkable neighborhood in Columbus so naturally everything else will seem lesser in comparison. The Short North would be like an A rating while Clintonville would be about a C or C+, but the city as a whole has a walkability score of a very low F (think it's like 23/100) so a C rated neighborhood is fantastic. Well we are forgetting the "enjoyability" of the walk. I think German Village could give the Short North a run for it's money because or the quaintness of it. I do think Clintonville could be better with having a much more enjoyable High Corridor, That is the only area that needs any changes really. I don't know what is going on with Indianola actually. But High is the spine of the city and the drop off from Arcadia on up is noticeable and it feels like you are going into a not as nice area. Is that really what Clintonvillians want?-little strip malls and the like? It is not visually attractive at least to me-and this is a premier neighborhood within the old core of Columbus. Do y'all really like it, or is it resistance to change, or what? *I agree Clintonville is way better than most, especially the post war areas of the city. It is just that Clintonville could easily have such a higher score-the developers would be so willing to build they can be kept in check, if you know what I mean-and it could be a big win for Clintonville. It could be walkable and the walk could be ya know, really something else. Something that would make a person almost want to take a stroll along High and all lol. Edited June 2, 20232 yr by Toddguy
June 2, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, Toddguy said: Well we are forgetting the "enjoyability" of the walk. I think German Village could give the Short North a run for it's money because or the quaintness of it. I do think Clintonville could be better with having a much more enjoyable High Corridor, That is the only area that needs any changes really. I don't know what is going on with Indianola actually. But High is the spine of the city and the drop off from Arcadia on up is noticeable and it feels like you are going into a not as nice area. Is that really what Clintonvillians want?-little strip malls and the like? It is not visually attractive at least to me-and this is a premier neighborhood within the old core of Columbus. Do y'all really like it, or is it resistance to change, or what? Of course it could be better, but that doesn't mean it's bad. Everything could be better everywhere generally. And I don't know, I just live here and support development along high street I'm not really asking everyone on the street what their thoughts are on density in the neighborhood haha.
June 2, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, TIm said: I just live here and support development along high street Well that is the important part. The main part of the neighborhood is of course quite nice and lovely and we are never really talking about that.
June 2, 20232 yr Just now, Toddguy said: Well that is the important part. The main part of the neighborhood is of course quite nice and lovely and we are never really talking about that. It'll happen eventually! Hasn't been much action on High Street, specifically in South Clintonville, in a while. Just got that bank at the North Broadway/High intersection like a year+ ago and some remodels of pre-existing buildings. Still waiting on that development at the old car lot on Weber/High to start and that other one at Arcadia/High (although technically Old North) to start as well. Really hoping those set precedent that taller isn't bad and actually makes the neighborhood better.
June 2, 20232 yr 12 minutes ago, TIm said: It'll happen eventually! Hasn't been much action on High Street, specifically in South Clintonville, in a while. Just got that bank at the North Broadway/High intersection like a year+ ago and some remodels of pre-existing buildings. Still waiting on that development at the old car lot on Weber/High to start and that other one at Arcadia/High (although technically Old North) to start as well. Really hoping those set precedent that taller isn't bad and actually makes the neighborhood better. I don’t even think they need to build much higher than 5 stories to make it great. Just add density along high using really nice 3-5 story buildings and make them mixed use. Retail would be heavily supported all along high in clintonville. Every shop that is already there is busy and vibrant, just make it even more vibrant. A road diet would be the best option, since people feel the need to drive way too fast.
June 2, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, VintageLife said: I don’t even think they need to build much higher than 5 stories to make it great. Just add density along high using really nice 3-5 story buildings and make them mixed use. Retail would be heavily supported all along high in clintonville. Every shop that is already there is busy and vibrant, just make it even more vibrant. A road diet would be the best option, since people feel the need to drive way too fast. Yeah, that's exactly what would fit perfectly into the neighborhood along High. Even if they are for sale condos, I wouldn't care. Just adding the density and even more retail space would be great. I do know of one business on that street that isn't busy at all though... and one could say it's TOO vibrant.
June 2, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, TIm said: Yeah, that's exactly what would fit perfectly into the neighborhood along High. Even if they are for sale condos, I wouldn't care. Just adding the density and even more retail space would be great. I do know of one business on that street that isn't busy at all though... and one could say it's TOO vibrant. Hahahaha, well that business is a good example of how bad high st is in clintonville. I fully believe if it was easier for developers to build, a good developer would have bought that property and gladly built a 3-4 story brick building to match the area.
June 2, 20232 yr 30 minutes ago, VintageLife said: Hahahaha, well that business is a good example of how bad high st is in clintonville. I fully believe if it was easier for developers to build, a good developer would have bought that property and gladly built a 3-4 story brick building to match the area. I really don't have any issues with the building itself, it was kinda a cool building. I have every issue with what they chose to do with it though and I can't wait to see that place close down and leave the neighborhood with their tail between their legs. It's very obvious that the only barrier to opening a business is money haha, you certainly don't need to do any type of market research apparently. These ones are completely fine businesses but just two additional examples of people not doing their research. Closer to the intersection of High/Henderson there is now a dollar store (seem to have a lot of food) and also a little convince store/market (Sal's Market?) almost right next to each other. Both of these are in little strip malls that are not easy in and outs with vehicles and are in a less dense part of the neighborhood so there is much less foot traffic. And to top it all off, there are already 4 grocery stores in the neighborhood, multiple gas stations and even a few other little convince stores, but apparently we needed two more lol.
June 2, 20232 yr I live in the far northern section of Clintonville, the most car centric part. A group of us formed to try and encourage more density and walkability. We got tons of resistance from developers. They were accustomed to suburban style development and wanted everything car centric. Unfortunately, they already owned key plots that still sit vacant. Granted, this was a few years back and I do see successful walkable development in other areas. Perhaps there is an opportunity to revisit this. I do agree with the opinion that walking, especially in my part of Clintonville, is possible but far from pleasant. There is little shade and the narrow sidewalks are up against traffic zooming by at 45. It is so loud, you can’t really talk while walking unless you want to shout. That said, there are lots of shops and restaurants close by.
June 2, 20232 yr My south Clintonville walk score is 83. It includes a movie theater, 3 groceries, 4 used record stores, and lots of other shops, bars and restaurants. Pretty good I think. Can High St be better? Hell yes! It’s a mess and it could be so much better. High St could also use a road diet to slow down traffic. Hopefully the new zoning code will help spur higher density developments.
June 3, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, Pablo said: My south Clintonville walk score is 83. It includes a movie theater, 3 groceries, 4 used record stores, and lots of other shops, bars and restaurants. Pretty good I think. Can High St be better? Hell yes! It’s a mess and it could be so much better. High St could also use a road diet to slow down traffic. Hopefully the new zoning code will help spur higher density developments. I should have worded things differently, because I am very close to most of the things I need and can ask to all of them. It’s mostly just high st and parts of Indianola that need major help. is studio 35 your walkable theater?
June 4, 20232 yr On 6/2/2023 at 9:07 PM, VintageLife said: I should have worded things differently, because I am very close to most of the things I need and can ask to all of them. It’s mostly just high st and parts of Indianola that need major help. is studio 35 your walkable theater? Yup, and I fully agree. High and Indianola need a ton of work
June 5, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Pablo said: Yup, and I fully agree. High and Indianola need a ton of work Love studio 35 and it’s walkable for me as well.
June 5, 20232 yr On 6/2/2023 at 6:42 PM, Pablo said: My south Clintonville walk score is 83. It includes a movie theater, 3 groceries, 4 used record stores, and lots of other shops, bars and restaurants. Pretty good I think. Can High St be better? Hell yes! It’s a mess and it could be so much better. High St could also use a road diet to slow down traffic. Hopefully the new zoning code will help spur higher density developments. The entirety of High St from 104 to 270N needs a road diet. I'm down in Merion Village and we've had a few deaths on S High St from people trying to cross the road. Cars zoom by sometimes upwards of 60+ MPH. I'm hopeful of the city making High St 25 MPH from the sections I mentioned above along with removing portions that are essentially a 4 lane freeway.
June 5, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, KyleofColumbus said: The entirety of High St from 104 to 270N needs a road diet. I'm down in Merion Village and we've had a few deaths on S High St from people trying to cross the road. Cars zoom by sometimes upwards of 60+ MPH. I'm hopeful of the city making High St 25 MPH from the sections I mentioned above along with removing portions that are essentially a 4 lane freeway. Yeah south high is rough and isn’t enjoyable at all. With all the businesses going in that area, you would think the city would do something. I don’t think they will, at least for years.
June 5, 20232 yr I don't even bother with freeways if I'm going from Downtown to Pickaway County, at least until High Street gives way to 23. And that's why putting good jobs Downtown is more fair then lumping them all in a few suburbs way on one end of town.
June 5, 20232 yr That's a good question. CD 9.29 was still using the term in their promos a couple years ago but they had to cut all new promos when they changed the damn number.
June 5, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, GCrites80s said: That's a good question. CD 9.29 was still using the term in their promos a couple years ago but they had to cut all new promos when they changed the damn number. Here's an UO Washington Beach photo thread from 2008: I forgot about that Starkey guy. I remember him being featured on the cover of Columbus Alive!, or some such, at least a year after he left town. He's still going: https://www.instagram.com/zacheryallanstarkey/
June 5, 20232 yr 24 minutes ago, Lazarus said: Here's an UO Washington Beach photo thread from 2008: I forgot about that Starkey guy. I remember him being featured on the cover of Columbus Alive!, or some such, at least a year after he left town. He's still going: https://www.instagram.com/zacheryallanstarkey/ So he's a fan of the Cure, I take it?
July 23, 20231 yr On 1/19/2022 at 12:20 PM, VintageLife said: Looks like the Weber and High project is dead. The lot is for sale. This is an older rendering but as I recall, a 5 story with reduced parking was approved by the Clintonville Area Commission. Hopefully something good happens here.
July 23, 20231 yr 23 minutes ago, Pablo said: Looks like the Weber and High project is dead. The lot is for sale. This is an older rendering but as I recall, a 5 story with reduced parking was approved by the Clintonville Area Commission. Hopefully something good happens here. Was this the project that was from Arch City Dev?
July 23, 20231 yr 25 minutes ago, Pablo said: Looks like the Weber and High project is dead. The lot is for sale. This is an older rendering but as I recall, a 5 story with reduced parking was approved by the Clintonville Area Commission. Hopefully something good happens here. Pretty much guaranteed money, it’s crazy that they couldn’t get financing or just decided to pass on it. Hopefully someone buys it and brings a similar project.
July 23, 20231 yr 5 hours ago, amped91 said: Was this the project that was from Arch City Dev? I believe so. If I’m not mistaken, Arch City has proposed several projects and they all seem to peter out….
July 23, 20231 yr 50 minutes ago, Pablo said: I believe so. If I’m not mistaken, Arch City has proposed several projects and they all seem to peter out…. So awesome, now we have two s**tty companies that just propose decent things and then never go anywhere with them.
July 23, 20231 yr Speaking of dead projects, what is going on with the storefronts they planned on building in front of The Ave along Indianola? They were doing some ground work last Fall that I thought was the start of construction but then nothing came of it.
August 15, 20231 yr The most anticipated update in all of Columbus. They planted 4 trees outside of the Dunkin' Donuts. Obviously much younger trees and put no effort into symmetry or anything with the plantings, but there are trees there now. Can't wait for my unborn children to enjoy that shade when they graduate high school.
December 14, 20231 yr I was trying to find confirmation that a new Sheetz approved at Morse and High to the East of the new Chic-Fil-A. I had heard it was approved a week or two ago. The traffic on that corner is going to be such a bigger nightmare than imagined. And far worse than any dense apartment build would ever create. In that, I found this tidbit 8:35 Consideration of Resolution 2023-05, Requesting the City to pursue a plan to solicit proposals for redevelopment of the City-owned property at 3500 and 3568-70 Indianola Avenue – Chair Vottero Seems like the commission wants the city to redevelop the municipal electric site. Which would be interesting after all the community pushback about the other Indianola apartments. Also. The renovation fo the office building at High and North Broadway has removed the high street curb cut and installed a wall in its place. Haven't been able to snag a decent picture because the sun sets at 1.30pm these days.
December 14, 20231 yr 4 hours ago, DTCL11 said: I was trying to find confirmation that a new Sheetz approved at Morse and High to the East of the new Chic-Fil-A. I had heard it was approved a week or two ago. The traffic on that corner is going to be such a bigger nightmare than imagined. And far worse than any dense apartment build would ever create. In that, I found this tidbit 8:35 Consideration of Resolution 2023-05, Requesting the City to pursue a plan to solicit proposals for redevelopment of the City-owned property at 3500 and 3568-70 Indianola Avenue – Chair Vottero Seems like the commission wants the city to redevelop the municipal electric site. Which would be interesting after all the community pushback about the other Indianola apartments. Also. The renovation fo the office building at High and North Broadway has removed the high street curb cut and installed a wall in its place. Haven't been able to snag a decent picture because the sun sets at 1.30pm these days. There is no way a sheetz would fit in that space. They use a lot of land and there is already an oil change place going in to the east.
December 14, 20231 yr 9 hours ago, DTCL11 said: Also. The renovation fo the office building at High and North Broadway has removed the high street curb cut and installed a wall in its place. Haven't been able to snag a decent picture because the sun sets at 1.30pm these days. I found it interesting that the ground floor restaurant/bar build-out is completely on a spec basis (no tenant has been secured). The patio looks pretty nice so far.
December 14, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, Whopper Jr said: I found it interesting that the ground floor restaurant/bar build-out is completely on a spec basis (no tenant has been secured). The patio looks pretty nice so far. It also seems crazy that what appears to be a patio is being built entirely out of steel. Is that normal thing, it seems super excessive?
December 14, 20231 yr 33 minutes ago, VintageLife said: It also seems crazy that what appears to be a patio is being built entirely out of steel. Is that normal thing, it seems super excessive? It does seem a little excessive with brick and steel construction, but the new patio is right up on the sidewalk beside High Street. Maybe they want a beefier barrier between the patio and the sidewalk/High Street?
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