4 hours ago, Pablo said:

More crap for Clintonville. These buildings at the southwest corner of Broadway and High were demolished yesterday to make way for a one story Bank of America branch with a drive thru. No variance needed.

 

 

How the hell does the city allow this type of sh*t to happen!?

7 minutes ago, wpcc88 said:

 

How the hell does the city allow this type of sh*t to happen!?

Maybe they have just given up on Clintonville as a lost cause?

Something needs to pass that limits neighbor commissions and what they do. I’m all for them wanting the buildings to fit the area, but height limits need to be removed from what they can do. 

I don't get the deal with Clintonville. It's such a nicely kept up neighborhood, yet High Street through Clintonville is a disaster. There would have been a good opportunity for a better development at that site that would have linked together two blocks that have a relatively decent street-wall still. I don't get why they don't even want things like two story or three story developments against the street there. Why would the people in Clintonville want a Bank of America instead of trying to put together a proper small town walkable main street type area along High? There's so much potential to do just that, but as it stands now, Clintonville's stretch of High Street is a nightmare. Whether they realize it or not, it's bad for their neighborhood.

 

Hell, even something super low density and somewhat suburban like this development higher up on High Street would be 1000% better than a drive thru bank branch.

Edited October 9, 20204 yr by Dblcut3

The developer is just following the Columbus Zoning Code. This project had nothing to do with the area commission. The commission only reviews rezoning applications. 

 

It's true that the area commission got a bad wrap 10 years ago and I guess that reputation stops developers from trying higher density projects. Following the zoning code is just the path of least resistance. 

Edited October 9, 20204 yr by Pablo

Our zoning code has proven to be crap.

5 hours ago, VintageLife said:

I’m kind of glad. The reason they disliked the 4 story building, that was amazing, was the increase in traffic. This is going to bring way more traffic, and getting in and out of a bank right there will be hell. Screw clintonville, and it’s garbage developments.  

 

I wish there was a way that Clintonvillians could understand this. It's extremely frustrating and ends up bringing down the entire corridor. It's such a sad state of affairs. That area could be yet another jewel along High St., but the desire to kill any vibrancy in the name of potential disruption to daily Clintonvillian life is just so completely asinine.

1 hour ago, Pablo said:

The developer is just following the Columbus Zoning Code. This project had nothing to do with the area commission. The commission only reviews rezoning applications. 

 

It's true that the area commission got a bad wrap 10 years ago and I guess that reputation stops developers from trying higher density projects. Following the zoning code is just the path of least resistance. 

There was a decent looking 4 story proposed for this location, 3 years ago or so. They went crazy and said it would take away from the small town feel of clintonville. Through that action it created a sh*tty 1 story development and a drive thru bank. The commission is 100% responsible for this. 

Go live in Waldo then.

4 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

Go live in Waldo then.

Where's Waldo?

Look for it on a map; it's on there somewhere. Might take a while. No cheating by using the index either.

And these properties just north of the terrible Verizon are for sale and the owners can't find a buyer. Under normal circumstances they probably could have found a great buyer for a great price but no one wants property you can't do anything with. All the pieces could have fallen into place for a great gateway intersection with a hub of commercial and residential but.... yeah...

 

 

25 minutes ago, DTCL11 said:

And these properties just north of the terrible Verizon are for sale and the owners can't find a buyer. Under normal circumstances they probably could have found a great buyer for a great price but no one wants property you can't do anything with. All the pieces could have fallen into place for a great gateway intersection with a hub of commercial and residential but.... yeah...

 

 

Oh Yeah, I’m sure Clintonville wouldn’t let them tear those down. 

To put in a gas station they would

I almost want to move to Clintonville just to join the commission and stir the pot. They want to attract young families but balk at improving the neighborhood at every turn.

47 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

To put in a gas station they would

Your next Sheetz!

 

Admittedly, if they put a sheet there I would patronize it alot.... like ALOT....

Clintonville certainly has a suburban mindset. They demand adequate parking, are concerned about traffic and don’t want height. As a resident this frustrates me to no end, but I live in the less affluent South Clintonville. 

Linden is going to get developed as Columbus grows and Clintonville is going to become the new Linden 20 years from now because of the crappy buildings and lack of improvement.

Edited October 15, 20204 yr by TH3BUDDHA

The main part of Cleveland Avenue with good bones could do that, but the vast swaths of low-talent residential-only will still struggle. There's too much of it and it is too low-density. But the city is really gung-ho on Linden whereas Clintonville is considered "doing just fine" (much like Downtown) so it will get little help from the current administration -- just like Downtown, 5xNW, Victorian Village and Old North. Now if a part of Linden is close enough to Clintonville amenities without suffering the wrath of all those Clintonville widows that part can see some action too. But the further you get from businesses the less likely a Linden property can thrive. A big blocker for Linden is the fairgrounds and 71 since they create a huge hole and wall with no services.

Edited October 15, 20204 yr by GCrites80s

9 hours ago, GCrites80s said:

The main part of Cleveland Avenue with good bones could do that, but the vast swaths of low-talent residential-only will still struggle. There's too much of it and it is too low-density. But the city is really gung-ho on Linden whereas Clintonville is considered "doing just fine" (much like Downtown) so it will get little help from the current administration -- just like Downtown, 5xNW, Victorian Village and Old North. Now if a part of Linden is close enough to Clintonville amenities without suffering the wrath of all those Clintonville widows that part can see some action too. But the further you get from businesses the less likely a Linden property can thrive. A big blocker for Linden is the fairgrounds and 71 since they create a huge hole and wall with no services.

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low-talent residential

What? lol. This just comes across as so ...mean.  I get what you are saying though. If growth continues maybe gentrification can start moving up Cleveland Ave...isn't it already happening to a degree in Milo-Grogan? I also agree about the "breaks" in Linden. What else can the city do, it has to try to help some of these downtrodden areas and at least Linden is willing to take the money. Isn't the city focusing on developing some of these corridors(like Cleveland Avenue, West Broad, etc)and densifying them for transit? Clintonville does not want any help and does not want any densification. The other areas you mentioned don't need the help so much since they are getting development already without any help-they are "hot" so to speak. Any city push for any development for Clintonville is likely to only bring about the wrath of those who live there.

What I mean by low-talent is larger lots with single-family dwellings on them. A small lot in Columbus is a large lot by other city standards. 

3 hours ago, Toddguy said:

Isn't the city focusing on developing some of these corridors(like Cleveland Avenue, West Broad, etc)

Yea, that's pretty much the main reason I made my comment.  The city is focusing on 5 corridors.  Both of the north/south corridors are east and west of High St.  The western one is Olentangy and east is Cleveland Ave.  They want to densely develop those corridors.  So I could see them becoming desirable and people being pushed to the less desirable, undeveloped Clintonville down the line.  I have absolutely no idea if this is actually feasible and will happen.  Just a thought.

2 hours ago, GCrites80s said:

What I mean by low-talent is larger lots with single-family dwellings on them. A small lot in Columbus is a large lot by other city standards. 

Ok thanks I had just never heard of the phrase. 

12 hours ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

Yea, that's pretty much the main reason I made my comment.  The city is focusing on 5 corridors.  Both of the north/south corridors are east and west of High St.  The western one is Olentangy and east is Cleveland Ave.  They want to densely develop those corridors.  So I could see them becoming desirable and people being pushed to the less desirable, undeveloped Clintonville down the line.  I have absolutely no idea if this is actually feasible and will happen.  Just a thought.

 

 

I'd love to see Linden do better and the city's investment will definitely help. But I definitely disagree with the "less desirable, undeveloped Clintonville" comment. Yes, recent high street developments have been mostly awful. But if you go 40ft past high street you still have the dense, historic, and well maintained homes that make it desirable now. To say undeveloped makes it sound like the place is full of vacant lots and empty former industrial areas like Wieland Park, Harrison West, and Victorian Village used to have. 

 

Do denser developments on high street add more amenities and put more people on the streets, yes, but with little exception the areas just past high street are fully developed and fully occupied. A Verizon store on the corner of High and North Broadway absolutely sucks, but does it not being a Verizon store with 4 floors of apartments on top destroy the rest of the neighborhood? Nope. 

Development Roundup: November 2020 Edition

A short little update on a property in clintonville. 
 

Also in Clintonville, the used car lot at 3021 N. High St., near Weber Road, has changed hands. Brian Higgins of Arch City Development said that his company bought the parcel and hopes to develop it, but probably not until 2022.

 

Same developer that just proposed the 13 story building in Franklinton. 

 

 

1 hour ago, VintageLife said:

Development Roundup: November 2020 Edition

A short little update on a property in clintonville. 
 

Also in Clintonville, the used car lot at 3021 N. High St., near Weber Road, has changed hands. Brian Higgins of Arch City Development said that his company bought the parcel and hopes to develop it, but probably not until 2022.

 

Same developer that just proposed the 13 story building in Franklinton. 

 

1 minute ago, Columbo said:

 

Yeah, I don’t see any type of significant development going in here. Could be surprised, but clintonville is trash. 

Gas station or 1-story building with a large parking lot.

2 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

Gas station or 1-story building with a large parking lot.

I’m sure they won’t let them tear down what’s already there. It’s essential architecture for the community. 

 

TeeJays will close as the owner of the land has decided to sell. The trust has 2 plots taking up a good chunk of land.

 

Clintonville Community Plan has the location as mixed use appropriate with roughly 30 units per acre. I still think that will be a fight knowing Clintonville but another step in making Graceland a better, more urban hub on the High Street Corridor.

 

That whole set of shops and lots could use a great master plan. 

 

 

 

https://www.thisweeknews.com/story/business/2021/02/04/clintonville-tee-jayes-24-hour-breakfast-diner-morse-and-high-closing/4389174001/

Disappointing but expected update....

 

It wants to be a Chick-Fil-A... if it was going to be low density crap, I would have preferred a Swensons.... or even a sheetz....

 

Maybe CAC will fight to have it higher density to match the plan? But they didn't for North Broadway and High and allowed a normal bank despite the community plan saying it should be otherwise. 

 

https://www.thisweeknews.com/story/business/2021/02/05/tee-jayes-clintonville-targeted-chick-fil/4406299001/

 

Edited February 6, 20214 yr by DTCL11

I’ve given up on anything good being in clintonville. It always seems like they are upset about traffic problems coming from development, so it will be interesting to see if they will freak out about the traffic that will come from a chick-fil-a 

1 hour ago, DTCL11 said:

 

It wants to be a Chick-Fil-A... if it was going to be low density crap, I would have preferred a Swensons.... or even a sheetz....

 

 

Whoa, spoken like someone who's never eaten Chick-Fil-A..

 

I do hope they find a way to keep the neon sign. I understand it predates the teejayes. 

22 minutes ago, 17thState said:

 

Whoa, spoken like someone who's never eaten Chick-Fil-A..

 

I do hope they find a way to keep the neon sign. I understand it predates the teejayes. 

 

It's chicken.  There are better, less controversial options.  

28 minutes ago, 17thState said:

 

Whoa, spoken like someone who's never eaten Chick-Fil-A..

 

I do hope they find a way to keep the neon sign. I understand it predates the teejayes. 

 

I've eaten a ton of chick-fil-a.... and I've waited in double drive thru lines... in the south... with over 30 cars... where the drive thru lines have permanent structures with heaters and fans for the employees... This would be closer for me than others... but I'd rather have something this part of town doest have within a 10ish minute drive. And as a NEOhian, I'm tired of going outside 270 to get my Swensons fix. Time to put one in the loop lol. 

 

(None of those are what should really go there... but... Clintonville)

 

100% save the sign. 

Edited February 6, 20214 yr by DTCL11

For some reason they believe residential draws more car traffic than auto-oriented commercial.

Seems like there's a more thoughtful use for this particular plot besides a single-use building for another car-dependent drive through restaurant. It's not like there aren't enough in Clintonville already.

 

I understand the political concerns about Chic-fil-a, but even if it were a Swensons or something else more politically neutral and perhaps more widely desired by Columbusians in general, I'd still rather see it be something that really brings character to the area and isn't just a cut and paste job from Polaris, Sawmill, or Hilliard-Rome roads.

10 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

 

It's chicken.  There are better, less controversial options.  

In terms of fast food, there aren’t many better options. The food is pretty good (in terms of fast food) and the customer service is light years ahead of pretty much every other fast food establishment. 

I think we're losing track of where this is. It's one of the most suburban parts of high street. It's within a 1/2 mile of a taco bell, raising canes, Arby's, wendy's, (all with drive throughs) 3 strip malls, and Graceland Shopping Center's ocean of parking. 

 

I love density and urban development too, but c'mon. Save the sign and I'm good. 

But that goes to my point. Other than a handful of these places, they are aging and will start to get sold off. So push now for strong mixed use and in the future you'll have a better hub. Re-envision Graceland at large not as a truly suburban set up to be accepted as is but more as the potential to cross between a Bridge Park and an Easton. The so called 'lifestyle center'. And the Clintonville Commununity Plan calls for that. (But again, it also calls for mixed use with residential above at North Broadway and High but they fight that even though they went through all the trouble of creating a community plan).

 

We've talked before about nodes on a BRT. That's a perfect node to plan for. And can ultimately bring more variety of retail and restaurant some day. 

 

(Purple is mixed use in the CCP) 

 

14 hours ago, NEOBuckeye said:

Seems like there's a more thoughtful use for this particular plot besides a single-use building for another car-dependent drive through restaurant. It's not like there aren't enough in Clintonville already.

 

I understand the political concerns about Chic-fil-a, but even if it were a Swensons or something else more politically neutral and perhaps more widely desired by Columbusians in general, I'd still rather see it be something that really brings character to the area and isn't just a cut and paste job from Polaris, Sawmill, or Hilliard-Rome roads.

 

Oh the site should absolutely get more than a fast-food restaurant, but this is Clintonville.  This is the height of development there.  

 

My comment about Chic-fil-A in general is that it really is just fast food.  Even disregarding their past, and likely present, horrific social stances, treating it like as if it's somehow refined eating is why America has an obesity epidemic.  

8 hours ago, DTCL11 said:

But that goes to my point. Other than a handful of these places, they are aging and will start to get sold off. So push now for strong mixed use and in the future you'll have a better hub. Re-envision Graceland at large not as a truly suburban set up to be accepted as is but more as the potential to cross between a Bridge Park and an Easton. The so called 'lifestyle center'. And the Clintonville Commununity Plan calls for that. (But again, it also calls for mixed use with residential above at North Broadway and High but they fight that even though they went through all the trouble of creating a community plan).

 

We've talked before about nodes on a BRT. That's a perfect node to plan for. And can ultimately bring more variety of retail and restaurant some day. 

 

(Purple is mixed use in the CCP) 

 

 

I don't think Clintonville has allowed even a single project that follows those guidelines since they were first drawn up, but I could be wrong.

32 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

 

Oh the site should absolutely get more than a fast-food restaurant, but this is Clintonville.  This is the height of development there.  

 

My comment about Chic-fil-A in general is that it really is just fast food.  Even disregarding their past, and likely present, horrific social stances, treating it like as if it's somehow refined eating is why America has an obesity epidemic.  

 

I think part of the big deal with Chick-fil-A is that there aren't enough of them in a lot of towns so they're always slammed. If there were as many of them in Columbus as there are Wendy's they'd be about as much of a ghost town as the average Columbus Wendy's. You go to Dayton which already has had enough Chick-fil-A locations for a while and they are no big deal.

15 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

 

I think part of the big deal with Chick-fil-A is that there aren't enough of them in a lot of towns so they're always slammed. If there were as many of them in Columbus as there are Wendy's they'd be about as much of a ghost town as the average Columbus Wendy's. You go to Dayton which already has had enough Chick-fil-A locations for a while and they are no big deal.

 

Probably also why people are freaking out about Sheets.  

I have lived in Clintonville for 65 years. Growing up we knew the boundaries of the neighborhoods. Clintonville starts at Arcadia and ends at Cooke/Henderson. Beechwold starts there and ends at Morse.  Above that is the taint. Taint Beechwold and taint Worthington. 

On 2/6/2021 at 9:52 PM, [email protected] said:

I have lived in Clintonville for 65 years. Growing up we knew the boundaries of the neighborhoods. Clintonville starts at Arcadia and ends at Cooke/Henderson. Beechwold starts there and ends at Morse.  Above that is the taint. Taint Beechwold and taint Worthington. 

 

That reminds me of this Clintonville map produced in 2018:  https://www.columbusnavigator.com/funny-clintonville-columbus-map/

 

12 hours ago, Columbo said:

 

That reminds me of this Clintonville map produced in 2018:  https://www.columbusnavigator.com/funny-clintonville-columbus-map/

 

Thanks for sharing, this is great. I particularly like the braille and "frickin big house" because seriously that place is huge, 9k+ sq ft! 

Sort of like the 17 year cicadas, isn't time to re-debate Morse-Bethel as well? 

I was thinking that as well. Think about how much more money the Chik-Fil-A could make!

The only way I would support Morse-Bethel at this time is if it was a part of a major mass transit plan. But an auto only connector, I'd rather pass on that and just let the cars deal with Henderson bypass.