Three words - UC, XU, P&G. Ironically, the 'unique' layout of Cincinnati means most faculty live in the city - whereas Columbus has a fair number of folks in Upper Arlington and Grandview Heights. I'd put better than even money that many Dayton area, Miami, NKU faculty live in Cincinnati at least part time. Cincy also has a circuit court thus a decent sized lawyer crowd. GE has long employed lots of engineers though I'd imagine few of them live in the city. Also remember, Cincinnati Public has lots of faculty with advanced degrees plus MSWs and the like. The big library system helps - a bunch of MLS's floating around.

The popular stereotype of engineers is that they're Republican suburbanites (not sure where it came from). I guess it makes sense given all the defense contracting

 

Thats certainly the case in Dayton.

 

So Cincinnati has trouble attracting yuppies? I don't buy it. If that's the case, where did all these degreed people come from? These numbers for the central city are quite good, in fact remarkable by Ohio standards.

 

When you say central city you mean within the city limits.  As has has been mentioned upthread there are a number of desirable areas in the city, so the idea of living in the city itself isn't turning off white collar professionals and collegee grads of various types.

 

That 38.8% number for Chicago is really interesting if one knows the geography of the city.

Lots of great photos with article link...

 

Believe the hYPe

http://www.soapboxmedia.com/features/0922soapdishleaders.aspx

By: Casey Coston, Soapbox 9/22/2009

 

They came, they saw, they power clapped.

 

This past week Cincinnati played the role of gracious host for the sixth annual Next Leaders Summit, a three day seminar which drew upwards of 200 professionals from 30 states. These events are organized by Madison, Wisconsin-based Next Generation Consulting, headed up by Founder/2EO Rebecca Ryan, who was seemingly everywhere during the summit and stylishly sporting a pro-streetcar shirt purchased at Park+Vine. Ryan is a veritable Elmer Gantry of the YP circuit, preaching the gospel to both the future leaders as well as the current ones, bridging the gap between the young turks and the old guard.

 

It's interesting to note that the event was formerly known as the "YP Summit," and perhaps the name change was an attempt to distance YP organizations from some of the eye rolling and pejorative notions that the term previously evoked (e.g. "YPO's are just a social network for parties, etc."). I picked up on some of this during the various breakout sessions, which were organized under a variety of topics designed to assist the assembled professionals in advancing and focusing the goals of their respective organizations on a variety of fronts.   For many, establishing the organization's credibility with the "PMS" - "pale, male and stale" - and other ruling classes is vital to its effectiveness. To that end, seminar topics ranged from engaging in sustainability initiatives to fundraising strategies to communicating with community boards and commissions.

 

All well and good, and for those so inclined, please check out the website for more of the nuts and bolts information.

 

Your intrepid Soapdish columnist, however, while intrigued by the whiteboards, catchy acronyms and power claps ("one, two, three - Clap!"), was more interested in what these fresh-faced summiteers thought of Cincinnati, a city which many were experiencing for the first time. Although my own demographics place me squarely in the "EP" (experienced professionals) bracket, I am happy to report that these future leaders certainly didn't hold that against me, and were more than willing to share their thoughts and impressions of the city. While there were participants from more established cities such as Chicago and New York, most of the professionals I encountered seemed to be from smaller locales such as Gulfport, Daytona Beach, Rapid City, Reno and Tulsa.

 

They came, they cogitated, they left inspired.

 

Summiteers arrived on Thursday, and were feted with a lively happy hour at the McAlpin, after which many made their way to Fountain Square for the latest Bacchanalian Society shindig. The attendees quickly gravitated to the bars and restaurants in and around Fountain Square like young professional moths to a flame, including Cadillac Ranch, Nada, the Righteous Room, Black Finn and elsewhere. They marveled at Cincinnati's rebuilt Square and the role it plays in our urban fabric. Others were impressed by the Bacchanalian event and vowed to export the concept to Fresno, Jacksonville and Lynchburg. While summiteers may want to dispense with the perception that they're just about social happy hours and partying, suffice it to say, based on my observations, the "partying" component has not been dropped entirely from the equation.

 

In countless conversations, however, they also marveled at Cincinnati's veritable colossus of YP organizations, as well as the manner in which they have been embraced by city leadership and Mayor Mallory, who kicked off the event Friday morning with a welcome speech. In eliciting topics for Saturday morning breakout sessions, one attendee, with a touch of exasperation, suggested "Why can't we get a Mayor who listens to young professionals like they have in Cincinnati?" If Cincinnati is looking to send a message that it is a welcoming city for young professionals, it's clearly working. As anecdotal evidence, I would direct you to the two people at the summit who told me flat out that they wanted to relocate here.

 

But what else about the city impressed people? In answering this question, credit goes to former YPKC President, Clara Rice, and summit hosts HYPE, United Way's Emerging Leaders Society, Cincyupdate, and Northern Kentucky's Legacy, for putting together a great agenda that didn't just leave the attendees shackled to stale coffee and Powerpoints in a windowless Westin conference room. Afternoon breakout sessions on Friday had the participants walking about downtown, headed to meetings at the CAC, the Aronoff Center, the Freedom Center and the Shillito Lofts. Better yet, Friday's happy hour and dinner took place on the Purple People Bridge, to which many participants also walked. From there, many attended the Reds' game that evening while others headed back downtown to resurrect the previous evening's pub crawls.

 

Saturday's breakout sessions had participants marching to Over-the-Rhine, where Media Bridges, Coffee Emporium, the Know Theater and the Arts Academy hosted discussions. Once again, stretching the summit out across the city was a great way to showcase Cincinnati. In my conversations, the attendees continually remarked on the amazing architecture the city has to offer in and around downtown. One can only imagine what they would've said if we rode the streetcar up to the OTR sessions.

 

They came, they partied, they chicken-danced.

 

Saturday's afternoon session at the Westin appeared to compete mightily with the Oktoberfest shenanigans going on just outside the conference room. Accordingly, it was not surprising to see summiteers peeling off as the afternoon went on, lured by the sights, smells, sounds and suds of the ersatz Bavaria lurking on 5th street. That night, the final summit event took place at the "HYPE Haus" VIP tent at 5th and Race. Catching up with the participants, in between their beer tastings and photo ops with George Wendt of Cheers fame, one of the observations I heard more often than not was one of "surprise," that is, they were surprised at everything Cincinnati had to offer. Other than those who came from the tri-state region, many possessed a tabula rasa when it came to the city. Following last weekend, that previously blank slate has a whole new positive spin.   For advocates of the city, to paraphrase one of the city's many sloganeering pitches, it is not "altogether surprising."

 

For more comments and thoughts from Summit participants, be sure and check out Twitter.

I don't what's going in Findlay either, but Hancock Cty has probably been the most successful part of NW Ohio over the last 20 years. They have consistently had some of the lowest unemployment rates and the like. They do have the big Marathon Oil stuff and a couple small schools, but otherwise who knows.

I know a number of young chemical engineers at the P&G Lima plant who live in Findlay.

What is it 25 miles?  Maybe they are not quite in the city, don't know for sure.

 

 

Here's some more Census data:

 

United States Census http://www.census.gov/population/projections/SummaryTabA1.pdf

 

Ohio Population, percent change, April 1, 2000 to July 1, 2008  1.2%

USA Population, percent change, April 1, 2000 to July 1, 2008  8.0%

 

  Ohio is increasing in population, but not as fast as other states. We aren't actually losing people - yet!

 

Ohio population projection

2000 11,353,140

2005 11,477,557

2010 11,576,181

2015 11,635,446

2020 11,644,058

2025 11,605,738

2030 11,550,528

 

Projections show that Ohio is going to peak in population within 15 years. (The actual peak date is 2018, which I found from another source.) So, who will populate our cities if there are no young people? No one! That is not a joke. That is reality. And before you tell me you think that the U.S. Census methodology is wrong, I'd like to see your own projection.

 

But here is the most telling part:

 

Ohio population by age, 2000 Census:

 

Under 5 years  754,930 6.6 %

5 to 9 years 816,346 7.2%

10 to 14 years 827,811 7.3%

15 to 19 years 816,868 7.2%

20 to 24 years 728,928 6.4%

25 to 34 years 1,519,894 13.4%

35 to 44 years 1,805,316 15.9%

45 to 54 years 1,566,384 13.8%

55 to 59 years 553,174 4.9%

60 to 64 years 455,732 4.0%

65 to 74 years 790,252 7.0%

75 to 84 years 540,709 4.8%

85 years and over 176,796 1.6%

 

For some reason, this list didn't use uniform age intervals, so I am going to split the 25-34 group evenly, 795947 each. Thus we have in the year 2000:

 

15-19 816868

20-24  728928

25-30  795947

 

Advancing to 2005, assuming no migration

20-24 816868

25-30  728928

30-35  795947

 

Or, put another way, the 25-30 group is doing this:

2000 795947

2005 728928

Decrease 67019  -8%

 

Granted, this doesn't count young people who joined the military and came back 4 years later, people who died, immigration and emigration and other factors, but it does show that Ohio could be losing people in the 25-30 age group (the "Young Professionals") for no other reason than that they are aging and not being replaced.

 

C-Dawg's post above shows that Ohio is really not doing bad by percentage of people with degrees. But we are taking a percentage of a smaller number!

 

But take heart. The 25-30 group will increase again in 2015!  :-)

 

And then drop beyond that.  :|

 

 

 

 

    I don't know how many young people are actually moving out of state, but my point was that this age group may be losing population simply because of demographic trends related to birth and death rates.

 

    I had friends that moved out of Ohio, but I also know people who have move TO Ohio. Ohio's immigration and emigration numbers are really not all that big compared to births and deaths.

 

  The perception is that they are moving out of state. I don't know if it's true or not.

I would argue that roughly speaking two kinds of folks are mostly likely to leave for a longer distance move, 1. those with very good prospects for success at the top of our society/economy 2. those who have failed to reach their own desired level of success and believe in starting anew somewhere else, whether they have the talent or not. I would argue that Las Vegas and the SW and Florida got a lot of the second type, whereas NY, Chicago, and D.C. got a lot more of the first type. I'd guess Atlanta got a mix of both.

Lots of my friends have left Chicago and NYC due to the high cost of living. I think Cincinnati is in a prime position to attract young people who want an urban lifestyle, but who don't feel like shelling out four figures for a small apartment or having to travel a full hour just to get from their neighborhood to downtown. That's certainly what's making me want to leave NYC and return home to Cincy, in addition to my personal and family roots there.

 

I've half-jokingly suggested elsewhere that if Cincinnati really wants to attract young creative people, local landlords should be advertising their apartment rentals in the Village Voice and the Chicago Reader.

If you want cheap you could name about a dozen cities in the midwest/south which could qualify; Cincinnati's assets are arts and civic involvement in my eyes.  If you're active and a little aggressive you can do some things in this city that aren't available in other places, we've got some great civic associations.

I've been eyeing Chicago as a possible place to move in the next year or so, and I have to say, the rents there aren't that much higher than the rents here.  Plus, the public transit makes up for the need to own a car here in Cincinnati.

^Are people coming from Chicago and New York going to want the kind of civic involvement that is present here? i mean, sure there are plenty of clean up the neighborhood type stuff and lots of neighborhood pride...but, having just moved here in 2007 i've found the tone of involvement here to be rather jarring.  Maybe it's just the political landscape that currently exists here in the country, but there is a lot of anger down here.

^Most people who I know that came back from Chicago or New York weren't really movers and shakers in those cities and came back because they had to.  It's tough becausse if you're a city person and are willing to play the game - Chicago and New York are prime examples of great packages.  I think it's okay to say if you're a YP that while the Chi and NY have a lot of stuff going on, that the nati is doing okay as well.