29 minutes ago, cadmen said:

We aren't in the upper echelon in the American economy

 

 

 

What are you basing this opinion off of? Sherwin is the global leader in the coatings industry; Cliffs is well on it's way to becoming the largest producer/distributor of steel in the country. We have one of ten Federal Reserve Bank locations, and also punch above our belt in the legal/finance sector.

 

And don't forget about:

 

Edited September 28, 20231 yr by Clefan98

Yes and we have a NASA facility too. We still have a lot of economic strengths. I'm not saying we're an economic backwater but in the national economy we are a middling player in reality and a bottom tier one in perception. Love what SHW is doing and Cliffs too but we need more. Alot more. 

 

And while we're at it how about a large top flight university as well. Case is fine but l would love to see its student population double. 

 

I appreciate your sentiment as l can see you love Cleveland like l do. Always appreciate your input.

1 hour ago, cadmen said:

Yes and we have a NASA facility too. We still have a lot of economic strengths. I'm not saying we're an economic backwater but in the national economy we are a middling player in reality and a bottom tier one in perception.

 

What you state isn't reality and no one serious views us as a bottom-tier market. Our perception both globally and nationally is quite the opposite of what some like to portray. What really separates our region from others is the local negativity is much louder and more noticeable here.

 

We have over 40K unfilled jobs in the metro. Our dominant problem is attracting skilled labor to the region, and also properly training those who are already here.  

Edited September 28, 20231 yr by Clefan98

48 minutes ago, cadmen said:

And while we're at it how about a large top flight university as well. Case is fine but l would love to see its student population double. 

 

I agree about the need.  Be patient with Cleveland State.  They have come a long way in a short time and, with alumni support, can go far.  

According to Indeed.com; here are the # of open positions in the 3 C's:

 

Cleveland - >53k

Columbus - >42K 

Cincinatti - >43K

 

We have a plethora of jobs in Cleveland and across the rest of the state, what we lack is people.

I don't think comparing ourselves to the other cities in Ohio is that helpful because we're competing at a national and international level, and it's clear in terms of growth we have underperformed for many years. Look at metrics like GDP, wages, population... We are not running at the front of the pack. Top of the list for GDP growth: SF, Austin, Seattle, Raleigh, Dallas... Near the bottom: all the three Cs.

 

But put that bad news aside, I am really excited by this announcement from the Clinic and the investment from Jobs Ohio. It seems like that statewide organization is focused on opportunities for growth that are realistic. If we can start grabbing even a sliver of the public and private investment dollars that San Francisco and Boston gets, that will mean more good jobs. 

1 hour ago, cadmen said:

Yes and we have a NASA facility too. We still have a lot of economic strengths. I'm not saying we're an economic backwater but in the national economy we are a middling player in reality and a bottom tier one in perception. Love what SHW is doing and Cliffs too but we need more. Alot more. 

 

And while we're at it how about a large top flight university as well. Case is fine but l would love to see its student population double. 

 

I appreciate your sentiment as l can see you love Cleveland like l do. Always appreciate your input.

 

 

I appreciate you Cadmen because you speak the truth, even if those here don't appreciate it.   I recall earlier in the pandemic someone (possibly you) predicting/forecasting what was going to be happening in the local office market, and that person was ridiculed left and right, yet they were spot on.

 

The Cleveland area has been on the bottom of the list in terms of economic growth for as long as I can remember, and yes this has caught up to us.  Of course there are positives that can be listed and perhaps it is due to some of us being around longer and seeing hope after hope not quite pan out compared to the younger population that expects a different outcome due to Sherwin Williams deciding to stay and build a new building. 

 

I moved back from DC due to the hope and expectation that Cleveland would be the next boom city (or at least people would find what I already knew, about how great it is).  I was so home sick, while watching from a distance what seemed like so many great things happening).   After being back a little over 10 years now a certain reality has set in. 

 

The region has been udderless for a long time and Frank Jackson was Mayor for far too long, so it is going to take some time to dig out of that.   There is still a negative connotation to the area, crime has continued to go up where it has gone down in other places and it is harder to recruit people to come here which I know from time spent at CCF (I know everyone will argue this, but it's true).  It's hard to believe that the Research Triangle has more Cache than Cleveland, but that is what we are dealing with.   

 

And to show not everything is all or nothing.  I know of plenty of people that have taken the plunge and moved to the Cleveland area and love it.  We have amazing amenities and the people are generally wonderful here.      

 

 

 

                      

Edited September 28, 20231 yr by willyboy

3 minutes ago, coneflower said:

I don't think comparing ourselves to the other cities in Ohio is that helpful because we're competing at a national and international level, and it's clear in terms of growth we have underperformed for many years. Look at metrics like GDP, wages, population... We are not running at the front of the pack. Top of the list for GDP growth: SF, Austin, Seattle, Raleigh, Dallas... Near the bottom: all the three Cs.

Can you post sources for the growth metrics you’re using (by metro) for both GDP and wages? 

As of last year, Cleveland was in the top 15 in wage growth: 

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/nexstar_media_wire/3567472-the-us-cities-where-wages-are-growing-fastest-and-where-theyre-shrinking/

 

There’s been little evidence or sources provided by those who are supposedly speaking the “truth”. 

Edited September 28, 20231 yr by Clefan98

12 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

Can you post sources for the growth metrics you’re using (by metro) for both GDP and wages? 

 

Maybe I'm getting old, but I'm surprised the idea our region is not a high-growth economic region is even debatable. Here are a few reports that show we rank low in terms of economic growth nationwide. My point is not that we are insignificant losers but that we need to find new places where our economy grow and add high-paying jobs.

 

https://milkeninstitute.org/sites/default/files/2023-05/bestperformingcities2023.pdf

https://kenaninstitute.unc.edu/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/american-growth-project-10172022r.pdf

 

 

37 minutes ago, coneflower said:

 

Maybe I'm getting old, but I'm surprised the idea our region is not a high-growth economic region is even debatable. Here are a few reports that show we rank low in terms of economic growth nationwide. My point is not that we are insignificant losers but that we need to find new places where our economy grow and add high-paying jobs.

 

https://milkeninstitute.org/sites/default/files/2023-05/bestperformingcities2023.pdf

https://kenaninstitute.unc.edu/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/american-growth-project-10172022r.pdf

 

 

 

These don't show real wage or GDP growth, and the first link is mostly dedicated to small cities with only 2 slides of data for "big" cities.

 

2nd Link: I fully realize Cleveland's population as a whole, isn't growing....yet.

Edited September 28, 20231 yr by Clefan98

There is no correlation between levels of prosperity and population growth,” said Richey Piiparinen, director of urban theory and analytics at CSU’s College of Urban Affairs. “You have these fast-growing cities that are just living off their local economy … consumption activity.”

 

 

Here is a comparison of per capita gross domestic product for the Cleveland metro area to the seven fastest growing of the large metro areas nationally from 2001 through 2021: Phoenix, San Antonio, Las Vegas, Orlando, Charlotte, Austin and Houston.Rich Exner, cleveland.com

 

Piiparinen discovered the positive note for Cleveland and other once industrial-driven northern economies in digging into the first-ever release of county-level gross domestic product data from the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis.

 

Some highlights:

 

* In the CSU study of 14 large metro areas, including Cleveland, the per capita GDP for the Sun Belt edged $1,400 higher than the Rust Belt by the start of the recession in 2007. But since then the Rust Belt has done consistently better, and now has an advantage of $59,073 to $54,604 over the fastest-growing Sun Belt metros.

 

* Cleveland metro area’s per capita real GDP increased from $49,280 to $58,010 during this same time period, now ranking 70th among 384 metros nationally. Cincinnati is 81st and Columbus is 96th. For Cleveland, this covers Cuyahoga, Geauga, Lake, Lorain and Medina counties.

I think there is some confusion because I'm talking about economic output (GDP aka gross domestic product) not population. Those links I shared and the million other articles you can Google show that our regional economy has not grown as fast as others around the country. 

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, coneflower said:

I think there is some confusion because I'm talking about economic output (GDP aka gross domestic product) not population. Those links I shared and the million other articles you can Google show that our regional economy has not grown as fast as others around the country. 

 

 

We’re doing pretty good, actually: 

 

 

Could we be doing better? Absolutely. 

29 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

We’re doing pretty good, actually: 

 

It depends on your metric of success. That professor is making the argument that our economy drives better incomes than some Sunbelt cities like Charlotte or Orlando. And that's a good thing. But who is ranking above us not in that chart? And by how much? I want more businesses being created and more funding and investment in our economy. That's why the Cleveland Clinic news is so exciting because that can make a difference, especially building on that piece by piece. 

 

 

Edited September 28, 20231 yr by coneflower

5 minutes ago, coneflower said:

 

It depends on your metric of success. That professor is making the argument that our economy is more equitably spreading the results of our GDP than some Sunbelt cities like Charlotte or Orlando. And that's a good thing. But who is ranking above us not in that chart? And by how much? I want more businesses being created and more funding and investment in our economy. That's why the Cleveland Clinic news is so exciting because that can make a difference, especially building on that piece by piece. 

 

 

Some of the cities listed were ones you cited, such as Austin, that are supposedly doing so much better than Cleveland. When in reality, we’re right up there with many of the largest and growing metros in the US.

Edited September 28, 20231 yr by Clefan98

2 hours ago, willyboy said:

 

 

I appreciate you Cadmen because you speak the truth, even if those here don't appreciate it.   I recall earlier in the pandemic someone (possibly you) predicting/forecasting what was going to be happening in the local office market, and that person was ridiculed left and right, yet they were spot on.

 

The Cleveland area has been on the bottom of the list in terms of economic growth for as long as I can remember, and yes this has caught up to us.  Of course there are positives that can be listed and perhaps it is due to some of us being around longer and seeing hope after hope not quite pan out compared to the younger population that expects a different outcome due to Sherwin Williams deciding to stay and build a new building. 

 

I moved back from DC due to the hope and expectation that Cleveland would be the next boom city (or at least people would find what I already knew, about how great it is).  I was so home sick, while watching from a distance what seemed like so many great things happening).   After being back a little over 10 years now a certain reality has set in. 

 

The region has been udderless for a long time and Frank Jackson was Mayor for far too long, so it is going to take some time to dig out of that.   There is still a negative connotation to the area, crime has continued to go up where it has gone down in other places and it is harder to recruit people to come here which I know from time spent at CCF (I know everyone will argue this, but it's true).  It's hard to believe that the Research Triangle has more Cache than Cleveland, but that is what we are dealing with.   

 

And to show not everything is all or nothing.  I know of plenty of people that have taken the plunge and moved to the Cleveland area and love it.  We have amazing amenities and the people are generally wonderful here.      

 

 

 

                      

Frank Jackson being Mayor is probably near the bottom of the list in terms of why Cleveland is where it's at economically today.

 

The structural items economy wise, that got us here are birthed 100 years ago. The failure to diversify the economy 70 years ago to get ahead of what occurred here 45 years ago, is what caused the economic malaise most of us here are familiar with.

 

Only recently, like within the last 15 years has this begun to turn around and really create a diverse economy that has been prevalent outside the so called Rustbelt.

 

Not to mention the Infighting and competition between all the little fiefdoms surrounding Cleveland (and this includes Akron), trying to fight Cleveland instead of accepting that they are part of this region and they all need to work together to get us where we need to be.

@Clefan98l didn't say bottom tier, l said middling in reality. But if you take off your homer glasses for a second and do a little perusing of the national perception you won't find much about us on it. And what you do you find is mostly negative. We both know that perception is not reality but all those outsiders who hold it really don't care that they're wrong. 

 

Too your point about all those unfilled jobs, one problem is, as you say a poorly skilled labor force. That's on us. But it is a critical component that outside businesses looks at when deciding to expand here...or not. The other problem is the difficulty in attracting outside talent. Surely you know that is primarily due to the perception of Cleveland in the national consciousness.

 

 

@Clefan98Thanks for the stats to back up your arguments. In some metrics we are showing improvement while in others not so much. But in the face of a multi-decade decline we seem to have bottomed out and are indeed making progress. 

 

Alot goes into a regional economy so its natural that you will have some positive data mixed with negative. Fast forward 50 years and we should be doing better than many other parts of the country thanks to our water supply and climate so there's that. But meanwhile let's start another positive trend by increasing our population. I think we're right on the cusp...finally. 

9 minutes ago, cadmen said:

Too your point about all those unfilled jobs, one problem is, as you say a poorly skilled labor force. That's on us. But it is a critical component that outside businesses looks at when deciding to expand here...or not. The other problem is the difficulty in attracting outside talent. Surely you know that is primarily due to the perception of Cleveland in the national consciousness.

 

 

Large employers aren’t interested in moving here because they don’t want to play politics and review 59 proposals from 59 mayors who are all competing against one another. They’re looking for a regional government to work with because of the collective subsidies that can pulled together.
 

I just hired a guy who relocated to CLE from Capetown, South Africa. We can attract talent. 
 

The question is, can we train and provide public transit to those who are already here and are in need of jobs the most? 

Like you l think replacing our current system of government with a regional one is a great idea. Or even having a single entity to deal with in navigating site selection and various government handouts. It's no panacea but l think it would be a noticeable improvement. 

 

And l agree one of the smartest ( environmentally, economically etc.) ways to develop is alone transit lines. The easiest way to get on your feet ans out of poverty is a job but if it's located in some far suburb and you don't have a car, well then maybe you don't have a job. 

 

And yes, somehow some way we have to make education appealing enough so that those on the margins get a good one. My wife is an educator teaching chemistry. She is constantly lamenting the state of our schools, the students lack of interest and parents who are either helicopter parents or more often just absent. We have a problem and it begins and ends with American society.

1 hour ago, Mov2Ohio said:

The structural items economy wise, that got us here are birthed 100 years ago. The failure to diversify the economy 70 years ago to get ahead of what occurred here 45 years ago, is what caused the economic malaise most of us here are familiar with.

 

This, right here, is the answer.  But it's hard to grasp things on such a global level unfolding over a generational timespan, let alone come up with the sort of actionable solutions that people want.

29 minutes ago, X said:

 

This, right here, is the answer.  But it's hard to grasp things on such a global level unfolding over a generational timespan, let alone come up with the sort of actionable solutions that people want.

It’s not only impossible to see the changes decades down the road, but also basically impossible to implement the solutions. We seem to take it for granted that cities can “do” things to avoid perceived economic hardship. Austin is good at this, Cleveland fails here, etc. As if a city can bootstrap itself into prosperity. 

I don’t know that I agree it’s impossible to implement solutions. The problem is too often solutions are Hail Mary’s I.E. trying to get Amazon’s HQ2. 

 

The money spent on these Clinic labs is almost certainly going to bring far greater ROI than the Medical Mart. It’s going to take a long time to see but JobsOhio seems to be doing a better job at economic development than what came before. 

 

5 hours ago, Clefan98 said:

For Cleveland, this covers Cuyahoga, Geauga, Lake, Lorain and Medina counties.

 

Here's part of the issue: they don't include Summit and Portage.    That's where a lot of the growth is happening, in places like Macedonia, Twinsburg, Aurora, and Streetsboro.   Growth that is very much tied to proximity to metro Cleveland.   

 

I very much disagree with the idea of annexing municipalities for numerous reasons, but the metro areas should definitely be considered one.

Edited September 29, 20231 yr by E Rocc

4 hours ago, bumsquare said:

It’s not only impossible to see the changes decades down the road, but also basically impossible to implement the solutions. We seem to take it for granted that cities can “do” things to avoid perceived economic hardship. Austin is good at this, Cleveland fails here, etc. As if a city can bootstrap itself into prosperity. 

 

At best it's "steering a battleship" x 1000.  There are things that we can do now, though, that can reasonably be expected to lead to a more prosperous region in decades to come- invest in education, children's health and wellness, public amenities.

19 hours ago, Mov2Ohio said:

Not to mention the Infighting and competition between all the little fiefdoms surrounding Cleveland (and this includes Akron), trying to fight Cleveland instead of accepting that they are part of this region and they all need to work together to get us where we need to be.

This!! 👆 👆

It’s not only impossible to see the changes decades down the road, but also basically impossible to implement the solutions. We seem to take it for granted that cities can “do” things to avoid perceived economic hardship. Austin is good at this, Cleveland fails here, etc. As if a city can bootstrap itself into prosperity. 

I always say that Cleveland was on the trajectory of being a mini Chicago, they had similar paths when they were in their boom period. Difference is the leadership in Chicago, while not perfect had the foresight to steer Chicago in the path that led them to being a global city. Cleveland had that chance and instead we fumbled it due to lack of foresight, selfish politics and trying to appeal to what we thought the suburbanites that fled the city would like with urban renewal.

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2 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said:

I always say that Cleveland was on the trajectory of being a mini Chicago, they had similar paths when they were in their boom period. Difference is the leadership in Chicago, while not perfect had the foresight to steer Chicago in the path that led them to being a global city. Cleveland had that chance and instead we fumbled it due to lack of foresight, selfish politics and trying to appeal to what we thought the suburbanites that fled the city would like with urban renewal.

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I don't think that's all that true.  Chicago was the center of the nation's railroad system at the time that was the main form of transportation- Cleveland never would have been because of where we are located in the country.  All of Chicago's success since stems from that bit of geographic determinism.

11 hours ago, X said:

 

I don't think that's all that true.  Chicago was the center of the nation's railroad system at the time that was the main form of transportation- Cleveland never would have been because of where we are located in the country.  All of Chicago's success since stems from that bit of geographic determinism.

 

It still is the center of the nation's railroad system. Granted that's not the dominant mode of transportation anymore. It is the center of the nation's aviation system, or at least it was until Dallas and Atlanta challenged it. Cleveland was in a unique position in the 1800s of being in an ideal cargo transit location between the Mississippi/Missouri and Great Lakes/Atlantic waterway systems. And it followed that by being the ideal rail/ship transfer location for shipping coal out of Appalachia and iron ore into it for the making of steel. It meant that the rail cars and ships were seldom empty regardless of which direction they were traveling.

Geography is hugely important in determining a cities growth as it relates to transportation. In that respect Chicago does have the advantage of being the largest city that connects rail to the West. But geography is not the the only determinate. 

 

In our case we made a number of blunders that have nothing to do with our location. I think it started when Rockefeller wanted to create a first class university and other local business titans didn't see the merit. So he took his money and funded the University of Chicago instead. We still suffer from that shortsighted decision today. Look no further than Pittsburgh. A large respected university is not a panacea but it sure helps when you're trying to develop a knowledge economy. 

 

That decision coincides with another mistake which was our refusal to understand that a future economy would revolve around knowledge and not simply making things. Of course Cleveland is not the only city to make that mistake. Using Pittsburgh again, when the steel industry collapsed they pretty quickly shifted to a knowledge economy using their universities to catapult themselves forward. Our civic leaders were slow to pivot when manufacturing began to shift to cheaper climates. We're still trying to catch up but because of our refusal to see the writing on the wall we're probably a decade or two behind Pittsburgh. 

 

All of that being said. I think we're finally on the rebound. But it's going to take time as reinventing an economy is not easy. We're not going back to our standing a hundred plus years ago as one of America's pre-eminent cities but we don't have to be a backwater either.

On 9/28/2023 at 4:53 PM, Mov2Ohio said:

Frank Jackson being Mayor is probably near the bottom of the list in terms of why Cleveland is where it's at economically today.

 

The structural items economy wise, that got us here are birthed 100 years ago. The failure to diversify the economy 70 years ago to get ahead of what occurred here 45 years ago, is what caused the economic malaise most of us here are familiar with.

 

Only recently, like within the last 15 years has this begun to turn around and really create a diverse economy that has been prevalent outside the so called Rustbelt.

 

Not to mention the Infighting and competition between all the little fiefdoms surrounding Cleveland (and this includes Akron), trying to fight Cleveland instead of accepting that they are part of this region and they all need to work together to get us where we need to be.

 

Frank isn't the reason the city is where it is, but you don't seem to realize how much Frank held this city back.  It would be so much farther along right now had it not been for his multi terms of uninspired mediocrity.  Most of the good things that happened during his tenure happened in spite of him.  

Edited October 1, 20231 yr by willyboy

what did he specifically hold back?

11 hours ago, willyboy said:

 

Frank isn't the reason the city is where it is, but you don't seem to realize how much Frank held this city back.  It would be so much farther along right now had it not been for his multi terms of uninspired mediocrity.  Most of the good things that happened during his tenure happened in spite of him.  

What I'm getting at is Frank's tenure couldn't have offset a century of lack of innovation, International trade and Globalization and how that helped to erode the manufacturing base. Poor policy decisions on all levels, corporate relocations, Middle class flight, National perception, defaults, etc. 

 

Not a Frank defender by any means, I mean 16 years in office he owns some of it too, but the last Mayor of Cleveland is not near a full picture of how Cleveland and the surrounding region got to where they are today.

 

Getting empowered to shape Cleveland’s landscape
By Ken Prendergast / October 2, 2023

 

Fourteen promising entrepreneurs from diverse backgrounds have been selected to participate in an innovative new real estate development program with a clear mission: to break down historical barriers and empower these individuals with the knowledge and tools needed to shape the future of Cleveland’s communities. The Cleveland Equitable Development Initiative, or CLE-EDI, will bolster the ranks of successful minority real estate developers in the region and to stimulate economic growth in the communities from which these entrepreneurs hail.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blog/2023/10/02/getting-empowered-to-shape-clevelands-landscape/

On 9/28/2023 at 1:47 PM, willyboy said:

 

The region has been udderless for a long time

 

That's bull!

 

[I'll show myself out now]

On 9/30/2023 at 10:07 PM, willyboy said:

 

Frank isn't the reason the city is where it is, but you don't seem to realize how much Frank held this city back.  It would be so much farther along right now had it not been for his multi terms of uninspired mediocrity.  Most of the good things that happened during his tenure happened in spite of him.  

During the Cleveland renaissance of the 90's, was anything new built in Ohio City, Detroit-Edgewater, Tremont, or University Circle? No.  Low energy Frank may have declined during his last two terms in office, but he didn't actively stand in the way of development the way some mayors chased Progressive to the suburbs and let BP escape. Imagine a Cleveland where we had slightly more compotent leadership then and managed to keep both in town.

Cleveland has container shipping, an airport that can handle larger planes, freight railroads, and the confluence of three major interstate highways, one of them being the longest.  All within a couple square miles.    A fourth passes only a few miles away.   Transportation isn't our problem.

42 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

Cleveland has container shipping, an airport that can handle larger planes, freight railroads, and the confluence of three major interstate highways, one of them being the longest.  All within a couple square miles.    A fourth passes only a few miles away.   Transportation isn't our problem.

 

Disagree. We could use more direct flights to more places that 500 miles or more away, we would be a stronger attraction to business. And if we could get to downtowns in Columbus, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Buffalo, Chicago in 1-3 hours by high-speed rail, we would be regional center for a wider variety of businesses. And if we had fast commuter trains and express buses linking downtown and UC with Mentor, Lorain, Medina, Akron and Canton, plus points in between, much more than one-third of available jobs would be closer that a 90-minute one-way transit trip on average. If we did all of that before anyone else between Chicago and the East Coast, I guarantee you Cleveland would be one of the most economically powerful cities in the USA.

2 hours ago, KJP said:

Disagree. We could use more direct flights to more places that 500 miles or more away, we would be a stronger attraction to business. And if we could get to downtowns in Columbus, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Buffalo, Chicago in 1-3 hours by high-speed rail, we would be regional center for a wider variety of businesses. And if we had fast commuter trains and express buses linking downtown and UC with Mentor, Lorain, Medina, Akron and Canton, plus points in between, much more than one-third of available jobs would be closer that a 90-minute one-way transit trip on average. If we did all of that before anyone else between Chicago and the East Coast, I guarantee you Cleveland would be one of the most economically powerful cities in the USA.

And -- locally we need to be able to get to more places faster without a car -- build the downtown loop already, and create more RTA routes with 15-minute headways!

On 10/1/2023 at 1:35 AM, Whipjacka said:

what did he specifically hold back?

Not only did he hold up development and overall progress of the city, he made Cleveland less safe. They know: 

 

 

Unfortunately, Cleveland wasn't chosen to be an ARPA-H hub. 

https://arpa-h.gov/news/arpanet-h/

1 hour ago, nokoeeee said:

Unfortunately, Cleveland wasn't chosen to be an ARPA-H hub. 

https://arpa-h.gov/news/arpanet-h/

 

Not even a spoke.  😒

That's a major slight to not even be a spoke. I'd like to see what the chosen ones did right and we did wrong.

 

And it's not crime or the weather.

LOL, did we even campaign for it?  Man, beaten by Talequah, Ok.  Oh, the humanity.

 

Note that Baltimore, Chicago, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Denver, Houston, Pittsburgh and Atlanta are not spokes either.  We'll still contribute to the advancement of healthcare.

It says more spokes are being announced on an ongoing basis. They intend for the network to represent "all 50 states" and right now there is nothing in Ohio at all. So I would assume we'll get something.

 

But yeah, missing out on the hubs is fairly disappointing.

Some good news

 

 

OhioMeansJobs leaders advocate for transition to nonprofit organization

Kim Palmer

October 17th 2023

 

"As the country experiences high job vacancy rates and business clamor for skilled workers, leaders of a joint city of Cleveland and Cuyahoga County workforce development organization want to transition to a non-profit that they say will help bring more cohesion, efficiency and, ultimately, funding to the region.

 

Every year, about $20 million in federal workforce training dollars—dedicated to helping un- and under-employed workers find jobs and businesses find skilled workers—flows to OhioMeansJobs, an organization run by both Cleveland and County Cuyahoga employees.

 

The unique and somewhat confusing structure is required as part of the Workforce Innovation and Opportunity Act (WIOA), which distributes several billion dollars annually to states which then send the allotment of cash to specific workforce boards for training and services."

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/politics-policy/ohiomeansjobs-leaders-seek-become-nonprofit-organization

 

Cleveland.com bad a writeup too if you don't have a Crain's subscription:

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2023/10/cleveland-and-cuyahoga-countys-public-workforce-development-agency-transitioning-to-nonprofit.html

Cleveland's 12-month percentage change for September is +1.5%, which is better than we've fared for much of the year.  Education and Health Services grew by 6.8% (!).  The bleeding from Trade, Transportation and Utilities is starting to slow at -2.7% (the sector had months of -4% shrinkage this year), and Manufacturing is starting to slow down at +.6%.   

 

A mixed-bag, but better than we've had.

Edited October 24, 20231 yr by Oldmanladyluck

20 minutes ago, Oldmanladyluck said:

Cleveland's 12-month percentage change for September is +1.5%, which is better than we've fared for much of the year.  Education and Health Services grew by 6.8% (!).  The bleeding from Trade, Transportation and Utilities is starting to slow at -2.7% (the sector had months of -4% shrinkage this year), and Manufacturing is starting to slow down at +.6%.   

 

A mixed-bag, but better than we've had.

I've been burnt way too many times to believe those estimates anymore.