April 23, 20187 yr I think the pay would be better, the cost of living (vs Buffalo and obviously NYC)lower, the taxes lower, and it makes sense to go west. Wash DC and its burbs have long been considered a high tax area - I did a comparison of my personal circumstances and Cleveland did NOT come out much in the lead. OH+Cuyahoga+Cleveland taxes are getting to be right up there. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
April 23, 20187 yr ^There was a fair amount of private residential development in the in the 50s/60s, too. Lots of postwar apartments on the west side, including in Ohio City and Detroit Shoreway. And there was a burst of development in the 1990s downtown and nearby neighborhoods, but off the top of my head, it was overwhelmingly public/institutional projects, like Gateway, the football stadium, R&RHOF, Science Center, Clinic buildings, HOPE VI CMHA redevelopment etc. But there were also several Warehouse District conversions and small residential projects, too, in Ohio City, Tremont. This is not an opinion about the relative size of today's boom, but there's reason why every decade generates more or less the same "comeback" headlines and travel stories. Also a biggie in the 90s, Key Tower.
April 23, 20187 yr expansion of complexes like South Park Mall. SouthPark Mall was new in the mid 90s, not an expansion.
April 23, 20187 yr ^I think he was referring to suburban home expansion in North Royalton, Strongsville, Westlake, Pepper Pike, Orange, Broadview Heights, et. al multiplied by the expansion of complexes like South Park Mall. I have no data either, just trying to provide some clarity as to the comment. That's what I was saying. And to compliment the massive suburban growth then, downtown saw the RRHOF, GLSC, Browns Stadium, Federal Courthouse Tower and several Buildings at CCF (which included two new hotels with intercontinental and Omni). This was on the heels of Gund Arena, Jacobs field and the entire Gateway development which was occurring in conjunction with Key Tower and the Marriott and Bank One Center. It was a very busy time from a construction standpoint. I think this current period stands out because of the private dollars being pumped into residential development in the inner-city.
April 23, 20187 yr Also a biggie in the 90s, Key Tower. True. I associate that more with the late 80s mini boom, which included Tower City, 600 Superior, the Burnham Building Annex in the Warehouse District and lots of other stuff, but no reason to be stickler for economic cycles.
April 23, 20187 yr Tower City was a big deal in the early 90s. IMO it was the catalyst that first got people interested in living downtown. But I'm not sure I would use "boom" to describe that period or this one. A healthy city is going to have some degree of construction and renovation happening all the time.
April 23, 20187 yr Tower City was a big deal in the early 90s. IMO it was the catalyst that first got people interested in living downtown. But I'm not sure I would use "boom" to describe that period or this one. A healthy city is going to have some degree of construction and renovation happening all the time. I tend to agree with this, however compared to the stagnant period from about 2001 through 2010ish, this is a boom!
April 23, 20187 yr Just another day in downtown Buffalo, er, Cleveland.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 23, 20187 yr There are massive road projects going on and I’m seeing suburban housing projects all over Hudson, Macedonia, and Brecksville. I’m sure all other the other outlying suburbs have new housing as well. I don’t recall this much inner city and suburban construction at once. Didn’t Progressive just announce another building on 271? This long sustained growth has been rare. It is up for debate whether any more skyscrapers will get off the ground before the economy tanks. My feeling is if this were people from another state like Pa or WV there would be more of a noticeable accent and there would be inquiries as to why they are here. I can only distinguish them if they are overly into hockey or wearing Bills apparel.
April 24, 20187 yr Cool national article...... Head to Cleveland for Green Homes http://themreport.com/daily-dose/04-23-2018/homebuyers-head-to-cleveland-for-green-homes "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 24, 20187 yr Finally met a New Yorker who just moved to the Cleveland area. She was a 40-something-year-old woman from New York City working at the Winking Lizard in Lakewood. She moved here because her husband was relocated here. She said he works in content marketing. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 24, 20187 yr I just read a Yelp! review for a Puerto Rican restaurant that was a few days old. The lady liked it and said she had just moved here. I looked at her profile and it listed her location as the bronx.
April 24, 20187 yr Finally met a New Yorker who just moved to the Cleveland area. She was a 40-something-year-old woman from New York City working at the Winking Lizard in Lakewood. She moved here because her husband was relocated here. She said he works in content marketing. Nice recon work KJP[/member] Do you have any idea what company this might be? Has there been a merger of content marketing firms?
April 24, 20187 yr Didn't ask. But I'm thinking about going above and beyond the call of duty by printing up questionnaire sheets to bring with me during my walks to leave under the windshield wipers of cars having out-of-state license plates! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 24, 20187 yr Didn't ask. But I'm thinking about going above and beyond the call of duty by printing up questionnaire sheets to bring with me during my walks to leave under the windshield wipers of cars having out-of-state license plates! Don't weird them out though. I don't want to scare them away.
April 24, 20187 yr Don't weird them out though. I don't want to scare them away. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 24, 20187 yr Ran into another person with a New York license plate at my son's school today -- so I asked her what brought her here. Turns out hers WAS a rental -- from Enterprise -- because her car was in for repairs. Oh well. Then, driving home, I was behind an SUV with New York plates whose driver pulled up to a meter along Detroit Avenue. I thought for a moment about pulling over and asking the guy what brought him here, then I remembered freefourur[/member]'s sound advice above. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 24, 20187 yr Cleveland-area house prices are rising faster, but they're still at 2004 levels (interactive graphics) http://realestate.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2018/04/cleveland-area_house_prices_ar_1.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 25, 20187 yr DDR in Beachwood continues to shed jobs. http://realestate.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2018/04/ddr_corp_cuts_50_jobs_most_of.html DDR Corp. cuts 50 jobs, most of them at Beachwood HQ, as company's portfolio shrinks BEACHWOOD, Ohio -- DDR Corp. is cutting its headcount again as the shopping-center landlord refashions itself into a more compact company. During a Tuesday evening conference call, executives confirmed a recent round of layoffs - "changes we had over the past week," said David Lukes, the publicly traded real estate investment trust's chief executive officer and president. He didn't divulge details. And DDR didn't respond to a request for comment after the call, which followed the company's first-quarter earnings report. But sources familiar with the company said the cuts totaled 50 positions, most of them in Beachwood, including senior leasing professionals. Since March of 2017, when a new, New York-based management team took the helm, DDR has cut approximately 125 jobs. During Tuesday's call with analysts and investors, Lukes noted that the company also is hiring, in Columbus, Atlanta and other markets, to support redevelopment projects. ...
April 27, 20187 yr KJP[/member] here you are good sir.... https://nypost.com/2018/04/25/ex-new-yorkers-are-flocking-to-this-midwest-sanctuary/
April 27, 20187 yr KJP[/member] here you are good sir.... https://nypost.com/2018/04/25/ex-new-yorkers-are-flocking-to-this-midwest-sanctuary/ I thought this was going to mention Cleveland *sigh*
April 27, 20187 yr FWIW, friends in Columbus are also reporting lots of out-of-state license plates in their 'hoods as well. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 3, 20187 yr Could Swagelok be headed downtown? http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20180503/news/160301/swagelok-co-launches-search-hq-project Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
May 3, 20187 yr ^^^ Agreed. This is a company that was uncomfortable putting its name on the outside of its current building. Expect a campus off a freeway somewhere between Cleveland and Akron to win out here. I’d love to be proven wrong. My hovercraft is full of eels
May 3, 20187 yr ^^^ Agreed. This is a company that was uncomfortable putting its name on the outside of its current building. Expect a campus off a freeway somewhere between Cleveland and Akron to win out here. I’d love to be proven wrong. I expect your right, in which case it'll probably be on the far side of the Cuyahoga County line. I'd like to be wrong, too. Diff subj: I understand Cleveland had a real shot at getting the Arconic headquarters; but two things were against it. 1) the CEO really wants to worry about CEO stuff and not meddle in the division managers' operational responsibilities. 2) Hopkins lack of flights compared to Washington Dulles. So 50 New yorkers are about to become Virginians. I guess the likelihood of a major corp. relocating to Cleveland is pretty small; it's more important to "grow our own." Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
May 4, 20187 yr Continue to see lots of out-of-state license plates. But this is one you don't see that often... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 4, 20187 yr Wow they are a long way from the "city that rhymes with fun!" I wonder what brings them to this corner of Trumpistan?
May 4, 20187 yr Maybe covering Toronto sports for their local Canadian province. Guess they aren’t expensing airfare up there yet
May 4, 20187 yr That's a run of the mill rental fleet car if there ever was one... Are you insinuating that people wouldn't actually buy a Chevy Cruze?
May 4, 20187 yr That's a run of the mill rental fleet car if there ever was one... Not with the dealer sticker, tinted rear window and personalized plate!
May 7, 20187 yr Well this sucks https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2018/05/07/forbes-just-ranked-cleveland-as-the-worst-city-for-jobs-in-2018
May 7, 20187 yr And in other news: The company I work for is struggling to fill high paying jobs. Some have been sitting vacant for over a year. We can't get qualified people to apply. In-demand jobs go unfilled because workers lack skills: Team NEO report Updated 8:53 AM; Posted 5:30 AM By Olivera Perkins, The Plain Dealer [email protected] CLEVELAND, Ohio - Plenty of good-paying jobs go unfilled in Northeast Ohio because job seekers lack the credentials to hold them, according to a report released Monday, prepared by Team Northeast Ohio, a regional economic development group. Only 54 percent of adults in Northeast Ohio hold a post-secondary credential, which the report defines as anything from a certificate for a trade or other occupation to an advanced degree. By 2020, 65 percent of Ohio jobs will require a post secondary credential, according to "Aligning Opportunities in Northeast Ohio," which was done in partnership with the Cleveland Foundation, with support from Sherwin-Williams. "The big takeaway was that we saw particularly acute misalignment in IT, health care and manufacturing," said Jacob Duritsky Team NEO's vice president of strategy and research, who prepared the report. "In our world (Northeast Ohio's economy), health care is the largest employer, manufacturing is the second and IT is embedded in every thing we do." http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2018/05/in-demand_jobs_go_unfilled_bec.html
May 7, 20187 yr Perhaps if we reduced the cost of higher education, which means spending more money on education than we do on prisons and improved our immigration laws... Nah, that would make too much sense. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 7, 20187 yr Perhaps if we reduced the cost of higher education, which means spending more money on education than we do on prisons and improved our immigration laws... Nah, that would make too much sense. Ohio should be doing this--and also investing in our cities to keep the brightest young minds from moving to Chicago, New York, Seattle etc after college.
May 7, 20187 yr Our plan to address this would naturally revolve around Tri-C, wouldn't it? Seems right up their alley.
May 7, 20187 yr Perhaps if we reduced the cost of higher education, which means spending more money on education than we do on prisons and improved our immigration laws... Nah, that would make too much sense. Ohio should be doing this--and also investing in our cities to keep the brightest young minds from moving to Chicago, New York, Seattle etc after college. They want to get rid of them. We all know why the rural dominated legislature wants this. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 7, 20187 yr Perhaps if we reduced the cost of higher education, which means spending more money on education than we do on prisons and improved our immigration laws... Nah, that would make too much sense. Ohio should be doing this--and also investing in our cities to keep the brightest young minds from moving to Chicago, New York, Seattle etc after college. They want to get rid of them. We all know why the rural dominated legislature wants this. why do you say things like this? Cleveland, Columbus and Cincinnati are all experiencing significant growth in their downtowns, driven in large part by young people who want to live in the city...
May 7, 20187 yr I'm with gottaplan[/member] here... Four of my neighborhood friends grew up in Grafton, Lodi, Madison, and Seville.
May 7, 20187 yr Perhaps if we reduced the cost of higher education, which means spending more money on education than we do on prisons and improved our immigration laws... Nah, that would make too much sense. Ohio should be doing this--and also investing in our cities to keep the brightest young minds from moving to Chicago, New York, Seattle etc after college. They want to get rid of them. We all know why the rural dominated legislature wants this. why do you say things like this? Cleveland, Columbus and Cincinnati are all experiencing significant growth in their downtowns, driven in large part by young people who want to live in the city... On that note, here is the Q1 2018 Downtown Cleveland report: http://www.downtowncleveland.com/DCA/media/DCA_Media/Work/Reports/2018-Q1-REPORT.pdf
May 7, 20187 yr What is happening in reality with rural young people moving to Ohio's largest cities and what the rural, ideologically driven legislature wants to happen are two different things. I think we're all familiar how Ohio's rural and exurban lawmakers view Ohio's cities with disdain for some pretty awful reasons. They would rather have their children stay in the rural areas of Ohio. They're not. A simple drive through small-town Ohio will reveal the blood-letting that's happened there. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 8, 20187 yr On that note, here is the Q1 2018 Downtown Cleveland report: http://www.downtowncleveland.com/DCA/media/DCA_Media/Work/Reports/2018-Q1-REPORT.pdf DCA notes a four point rise in hotel occupancy year-over-year. I bet a lot of that is Judge Polster's opioid case. We need to go hunting for more multi-district litigation. :) Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
May 8, 20187 yr What is happening in reality with rural young people moving to Ohio's largest cities and what the rural, ideologically driven legislature wants to happen are two different things. I think we're all familiar how Ohio's rural and exurban lawmakers view Ohio's cities with disdain for some pretty awful reasons. They would rather have their children stay in the rural areas of Ohio. They're not. A simple drive through small-town Ohio will reveal the blood-letting that's happened there. Something similar happened during World War II. My grandfather was part of it. That was a big part of how suburbs happened.
May 8, 20187 yr What is happening in reality with rural young people moving to Ohio's largest cities and what the rural, ideologically driven legislature wants to happen are two different things. I think we're all familiar how Ohio's rural and exurban lawmakers view Ohio's cities with disdain for some pretty awful reasons. They would rather have their children stay in the rural areas of Ohio. They're not. A simple drive through small-town Ohio will reveal the blood-letting that's happened there. Something similar happened during World War II. My grandfather was part of it. That was a big part of how suburbs happened. I responded here to keep this thread on topic..... https://www.urbanohio.com/forum/index.php/topic,7292.msg912074.html#msg912074 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 9, 20187 yr Perhaps if we reduced the cost of higher education, which means spending more money on education than we do on prisons and improved our immigration laws... Nah, that would make too much sense. Ohio should be doing this--and also investing in our cities to keep the brightest young minds from moving to Chicago, New York, Seattle etc after college. those arent the places to worry about. ie., midtown nyc just lost a firm with 1000+ jobs that is moving to nashville. deutsche bank is moving 500 jobs to jacksonville. those are the cities to look more closely at!
May 9, 20187 yr Nice save that Covia Holdings' headquarters is ending up in Independence rather than Connecticut. http://www.crainscleveland.com/sites/default/files/article_images/Brickhaus-main_i.jpg Edit: oops, wrong url. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
May 9, 20187 yr Just heard that Bank of America will be increasing their Treasury presence in Cleveland. Supposedly 15-20 new employees over the next two years with starting salaries $70k+. Small, but good news.
May 9, 20187 yr Just heard that Bank of America will be increasing their Treasury presence in Cleveland. Supposedly 15-20 new employees over the next two years with starting salaries $70k+. Small, but good news. I'll take it...these small wins add up!
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