March 21, 20187 yr I don't understand what you're saying. Biomedical is only one piece of this, and the Clinic and its spinoffs have continued to grow during the Obama presidency. The relocations to Cleveland have as much to do with the rising costs of living on the coasts as it does about Cleveland reinventing itself. It takes two to tango here. Cleveland has merely made itself a viable alternative in terms of jobs and quality of life for coasties to relocate here. Otherwise they would move to Indianapolis, Pittsburgh or something... which they may well be doing too. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 21, 20187 yr TUESDAY, MARCH 20, 2018 Cleveland, redefined Perhaps you've noticed it on the license plates of cars in your neighborhood. Perhaps you've noticed it while shopping for a new house. Perhaps you've noticed it in the new faces at your child's school. Perhaps you've noticed it on local dating apps. Something is happening in Greater Cleveland that we're not accustomed to. They're coming. Many are already here. Lots of them. Lots of what? People. Relocated, transplanted, moved. MORE: http://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2018/03/cleveland-redefined.html?m=1 I hate to give Trump credit for anything, so I won't. But Obama removal has something to do with this. There was concern about relocating in the medical sector because of uncertainty about what could happen vis a vis government control. It's no secret that if there were to be a de-privatization, NE Ohio would suffer in favor of areas with more direct political clout: i.e. powerful Congressmen or proximity to existing public sector centers of influence. Rochester, MN (Mayo) would also suffer. While this remains a long term issue, short term not so much. It's by no means the main factor but it's a factor. I think what you're suggesting would apply more to centers of insurance and payment processing, rather than actual health care and research. And recall that during the election Trump was more open to single payer than was Clinton.
March 21, 20187 yr Please don't let a non-political article become political. We have a political health care thread... https://www.urbanohio.com/forum/index.php/topic,27582.0.html I want there to be at least one part of the forum where I can feel optimistic. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 21, 20187 yr I just received a LinkedIn notification that says hiring in Greater Cleveland is up 20.7% since March of 2017.
March 21, 20187 yr Author ^ ^^ KJP- I really liked your article. I think the BLS is slow when it comes to those numbers being reflected in data. The Nonfarm Jobs increased by an average of 1% year-over-year using their numbers. Our own eyes (and changes in our neighborhoods) tell us a different story. One day (hopefully soon), that energy will cross the river to east-side neighborhoods and communities which are struggling.
March 21, 20187 yr I just received a LinkedIn notification that says hiring in Greater Cleveland is up 20.7% since March of 2017. Holy sh--!! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 21, 20187 yr I just received a LinkedIn notification that says hiring in Greater Cleveland is up 20.7% since March of 2017. Thank you Trump administration for removing the economic shackles!
March 21, 20187 yr TUESDAY, MARCH 20, 2018 Cleveland, redefined Perhaps you've noticed it on the license plates of cars in your neighborhood. Perhaps you've noticed it while shopping for a new house. Perhaps you've noticed it in the new faces at your child's school. Perhaps you've noticed it on local dating apps. Something is happening in Greater Cleveland that we're not accustomed to. They're coming. Many are already here. Lots of them. Lots of what? People. Relocated, transplanted, moved. MORE: http://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2018/03/cleveland-redefined.html?m=1 Thanks JP, I'm ironically one of those out-of-staters talking to Howard Hanna right now, accepting a newly created Cleveland job, and bringing my family to settle in NEO. Happy to hear I'm not the only one :)
March 21, 20187 yr No mention of the Sherwin-Williams merger or has it not benefited the city? Yeah, it has. Updated the piece. Sometimes you see news about something so often you don't see it anymore. :o "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 21, 20187 yr TUESDAY, MARCH 20, 2018 Cleveland, redefined Perhaps you've noticed it on the license plates of cars in your neighborhood. Perhaps you've noticed it while shopping for a new house. Perhaps you've noticed it in the new faces at your child's school. Perhaps you've noticed it on local dating apps. Something is happening in Greater Cleveland that we're not accustomed to. They're coming. Many are already here. Lots of them. Lots of what? People. Relocated, transplanted, moved. MORE: http://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2018/03/cleveland-redefined.html?m=1 I hate to give Trump credit for anything, so I won't. But Obama removal has something to do with this. There was concern about relocating in the medical sector because of uncertainty about what could happen vis a vis government control. It's no secret that if there were to be a de-privatization, NE Ohio would suffer in favor of areas with more direct political clout: i.e. powerful Congressmen or proximity to existing public sector centers of influence. Rochester, MN (Mayo) would also suffer. While this remains a long term issue, short term not so much. It's by no means the main factor but it's a factor. I think what you're suggesting would apply more to centers of insurance and payment processing, rather than actual health care and research. And recall that during the election Trump was more open to single payer than was Clinton. I said exactly that then and that's one of the main reasons I would not vote for him. But people ignore that. Perhaps justifiably. He's not a doer. I've maintained for awhile that "single payer" would be a disaster for Cleveland because we would be considered an "overserved" area and that would be used for aristocracy-of-pull resource grabs.
March 21, 20187 yr KJP and I get our real estate insider info from the same source! I hope you have more than one source, as I do! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 21, 20187 yr As much as I’m hopeful that there is a massive migration from other states to cleveland, seeing additional license plates from other states in some of the hottest neighborhoods in cleveland does not show that there is a massive in-migration from other states. The 1-year estimates from the american community survey show that in 2016, 1.6% of residents in the county had moved here from another state in the previous year. In 2015 that was also 1.6%. 2014 was 1.5% and 2013 was 1.7%. So that means in any given year roughly one and a half percent of residents of the county moved to the county within the previous 12 months. And that percentage hasn’t really changed. What I think it may mean is that they are moving to cleveland rather than Parma or orange or something. But Id rather see numbers from the census bureau than anecdotal data.
March 21, 20187 yr It will be very interesting to see if that percentage changes with tomorrow’s release
March 21, 20187 yr It will be very interesting to see if that percentage changes with tomorrow’s release Agreed. I don't know if what we're noticing is big enough to be reflected in new, large data sets. And even if something is happening, it has been occurring in just the past year so it may take some time for the data (and the data collectors) to measure it. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 21, 20187 yr TUESDAY, MARCH 20, 2018 Cleveland, redefined Perhaps you've noticed it on the license plates of cars in your neighborhood. Perhaps you've noticed it while shopping for a new house. Perhaps you've noticed it in the new faces at your child's school. Perhaps you've noticed it on local dating apps. Something is happening in Greater Cleveland that we're not accustomed to. They're coming. Many are already here. Lots of them. Lots of what? People. Relocated, transplanted, moved. MORE: http://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2018/03/cleveland-redefined.html?m=1 I hate to give Trump credit for anything, so I won't. But Obama removal has something to do with this. There was concern about relocating in the medical sector because of uncertainty about what could happen vis a vis government control. It's no secret that if there were to be a de-privatization, NE Ohio would suffer in favor of areas with more direct political clout: i.e. powerful Congressmen or proximity to existing public sector centers of influence. Rochester, MN (Mayo) would also suffer. While this remains a long term issue, short term not so much. It's by no means the main factor but it's a factor. This is pure GOP propaganda. Obamacare was written by the private health insurance industry to keep itself solvent. Forcing citizens to buy insurance from existing companies is hardly socialist medicine. And even so, Cleveland Clinic is a healthcare provider, not an insurer. If the USA somehow passed single-payer legislation, the Clinic would live to fight another day since they have enough political clout to retool their business model. The true story of the growth of the Clinic is all about demographics. The entire baby boomer generation is 55+ now, with the first ones already in their 70's. They are causing a huge surge in the demand for healthcare, and Cleveland is riding the wave. The questions for our leaders should be--what comes next so we don't have a healthcare crash like the 70/80's manufacturing dive.
March 21, 20187 yr None of you are invited to my next birthday party. I don't want you to pee on my cake (which is the same as bringing politics into a non political story). "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 21, 20187 yr March 21, 2018 9:56 am UPDATED 5 HOURS AGO GrafTech International files to go public By SCOTT SUTTEL GrafTech International, a manufacturer of graphite electrodes used in steelmaking, is set to become a public company once again. The company on Tuesday, March 20, indicated in a filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission that it intends to raise up to $100 million in an initial public offering. The filing made formal the plan to go public, which Brooklyn Heights-based GrafTech had signaled in January, when it confidentially submitted a draft registration statement to the SEC for a proposed IPO of its common stock. MORE: http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20180321/news/155636/graftech-international-files-go-public "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 22, 20187 yr March 20, 2018 12:35 pm UPDATED 4 HOURS AGO Plug and Play taps first Cleveland cohort By CRAIN'S CLEVELAND BUSINESS Plug and Play Cleveland has selected 12 health tech startups from around the globe that will set up shop at the Global Center for Health Innovation. The dozen companies were selected from a group of more than 480 applicants. Over the next three months, the selected startups will work with Plug and Play's corporate partners — namely JumpStart Inc. and the Cleveland Clinic — and have the opportunity to land pilots, develop proof of concepts and explore investment opportunities, according to a news release. There is no cost for the startups to participate in the program. They will graduate from the program June 28. MORE: http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20180320/news/155531/plug-and-play-taps-first-cleveland-cohort "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 22, 20187 yr Sales are down because supply is tight.... February home sales dip in Northeast Ohio, across the Midwest, as prices surge (interactive maps) Updated on Mar 21, 2018 at 11:34 AM EDT By Michelle Jarboe, The Plain Dealer CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Home sales slipped in Northeast Ohio and across the Midwest last month, as buyers sparred over scarce properties, prices climbed and mortgage rates crept up. February sales softened from January and were down 6.9 percent from a year before, according to the Northern Ohio Regional Multiple Listing Service , which tracks transactions across 18 counties. The average sale price for a house was up 10 percent, to $151,418. The average condo sale price fell 4.5 percent, to $123,393. MORE: http://realestate.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2018/03/february_home_sales_dip_in_nor.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 22, 20187 yr Forest City board gives itself a breather -- for a week Forest City Realty Trust Inc. (NYSE: FCE.A) announced Wednesday, March 21, after the stock market closed that it has extended its deadline for nominations of directors to its board for another week, to 5 p.m. March 28. The board had previously said it would abandon the search for additional investments and alternatives by the March 21 deadline. However, the company had not spoken to the status of the review of alternatives by 4:50 p.m. Wednesday, March 21. Forest City's board is on a quest to increase stock value for its shareholders. The company's current book value is about $5.5 billion, while the company itself values its assets at $8.1 billion. The company is principally engaged in the ownership, development, management and acquisition of office, apartment and retail real estate throughout the United States. Of late it has styled itself as a developer of mixed-use office, residential and amenity retail properties. Bloomberg had previously reported that Forest City was in talks with Brookfield Property Partners, the real estate unit of Toronto-based Brookfield Asset Management, to buy the Cleveland-based real estate titan. If the two had been able to strike a deal, final consummation of the transaction might not occur until 2021 due to federal tax reasons associated with Forest City's conversion in 2016 to a real estate investment trust. Brookfield Property Partners is one of the world's largest commercial real estate companies, with approximately $68 billion in total assets. Brookfield Asset Management is a global alternative asset manager with more than $285 billion in assets under management. http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20180321/news/155686/forest-city-board-gives-itself-breather-week?CSAuthResp=1%3A%3A136317%3A24%3A24%3Asuccess%3A28C382166946FEE9EA45535F086EAEB1 Brookfield Is in Talks to Buy Forest City Realty Brookfield Asset Management Inc., Canada’s largest alternative-asset manager, is in talks to acquire Forest City Realty Trust Inc., people familiar with the matter said. Negotiations between Toronto-based Brookfield and Forest City are ongoing and could still fall apart, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the matter is private. Other bidders may also emerge for the company, they said. https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-03-06/trump-aides-like-nunberg-and-cohen-haunt-his-white-house Forest City Realty Trust extends timeline for board nominations Forest City Realty Trust (NYSE: FCEA) announced it is extending the window for nominations to its board to 5 p.m. on Wednesday, March 21. The news release on Thursday evening, Feb. 23, also indicated that the Cleveland-based developer's board expects to conclude its examination of strategic alternatives prior to that time. It's the first time the board has put an end date on the potential sale, merger or other options it undertook last September. Forest City said it has not set the date for its annual meeting where shareholders will elect directors, along with other company business. The annual meeting usually is held in early June. The Forest City statement referred to the deadline for nominations as being for it to "receive proper written advance notice of nomination of a director candidate." Toronto-based Brookfield Asset Management has been reported to be in talks with Forest City since early January. http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20180223/news/152821/forest-city-realty-trust-extends-timeline-board-nominations I think that with Brookfield in talks with FC and that FC is extending the window for nominations to its board to March 21, that Brookfield will BUY FC in the near future. And hopefully with Brookfield being based in Toronto, that it will keep FC existing HQ as their USA base!
March 22, 20187 yr TUESDAY, MARCH 20, 2018 Cleveland, redefined Perhaps you've noticed it on the license plates of cars in your neighborhood. Perhaps you've noticed it while shopping for a new house. Perhaps you've noticed it in the new faces at your child's school. Perhaps you've noticed it on local dating apps. Something is happening in Greater Cleveland that we're not accustomed to. They're coming. Many are already here. Lots of them. Lots of what? People. Relocated, transplanted, moved. MORE: http://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2018/03/cleveland-redefined.html?m=1 This was a smile inducing article. Hopefully all of the things happening over the last year will result in major things in the next few years. Great work!
March 22, 20187 yr The real estate news is just crazy. There is no available inventory and when there is some it doesn't last long at all. I had lunch today with my real estate friend who said he's got an open house in Rocky River today. The house went on the market at 6:30 thid morning and it's already got 30 showings just for today. It will probably be under contract by tonight. Real estate agents are having to put escalation clauses in their contracts, something that you haven't see around here but do see on the coasts a lot. The reason is because houses are getting bid upwards and sometimes in all-cash deals, especially from people relocating from California or New York City. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 22, 20187 yr The real estate news is just crazy. There is no available inventory and when there is some it doesn't last long at all. I had lunch today with my real estate friend who said he's got an open house in Rocky River today. The house went on the market at 6:30 thid morning and it's already got 30 showings just for today. It will probably be under contract by tonight. Real estate agents are having to put escalation clauses in their contracts, something that you haven't see around here but do see on the coasts a lot. The reason is because houses are getting bid upwards and sometimes in all-cash deals, especially from people relocating from California or New York City. Seems like there's an opportunity for some of these inner ring suburbs, especially on the east side, to reinvent themselves. I haven't heard much of the County Land Bank recently but it would be good to see what parcels they have available and start having some real discussions on redevelopment at this point.
March 22, 20187 yr I know an agent who had scheduled to take her buyer through 7 houses in Lakewood. The next day only one house was still available and they were limited to a 15 minute block because other buyers were waiting to get in.
March 22, 20187 yr The real estate news is just crazy. There is no available inventory and when there is some it doesn't last long at all. I had lunch today with my real estate friend who said he's got an open house in Rocky River today. The house went on the market at 6:30 thid morning and it's already got 30 showings just for today. It will probably be under contract by tonight. Real estate agents are having to put escalation clauses in their contracts, something that you haven't see around here but do see on the coasts a lot. The reason is because houses are getting bid upwards and sometimes in all-cash deals, especially from people relocating from California or New York City. Finding something updated for under 300k in Gordon Sq and Ohio City is even harder.
March 22, 20187 yr The real estate news is just crazy. There is no available inventory and when there is some it doesn't last long at all. I had lunch today with my real estate friend who said he's got an open house in Rocky River today. The house went on the market at 6:30 thid morning and it's already got 30 showings just for today. It will probably be under contract by tonight. Real estate agents are having to put escalation clauses in their contracts, something that you haven't see around here but do see on the coasts a lot. The reason is because houses are getting bid upwards and sometimes in all-cash deals, especially from people relocating from California or New York City. Seems like there's an opportunity for some of these inner ring suburbs, especially on the east side, to reinvent themselves. I haven't heard much of the County Land Bank recently but it would be good to see what parcels they have available and start having some real discussions on redevelopment at this point. Cleveland Heights doesn't seem to be having the same success as Lakewood but I've heard anecdotally that Shaker Heights is buzzing.
March 22, 20187 yr I know an agent who had scheduled to take her buyer through 7 houses in Lakewood. The next day only one house was still available and they were limited to a 15 minute block because other buyers were waiting to get in. It is crazy. Perhaps it’s time for the Lakewood observer to observe some of this good news lol.
March 22, 20187 yr I know an agent who had scheduled to take her buyer through 7 houses in Lakewood. The next day only one house was still available and they were limited to a 15 minute block because other buyers were waiting to get in. It is crazy. Perhaps it’s time for the Lakewood observer to observe some of this good news lol. Doom and gloom only. I'm sure the Observer would put a negative spin on it.
March 22, 20187 yr I know an agent who had scheduled to take her buyer through 7 houses in Lakewood. The next day only one house was still available and they were limited to a 15 minute block because other buyers were waiting to get in. On St. Patrick's Day, I was showing a friend of mine from Bay Village houses in Lakewood, specifically how much the sellers were asking. These weren't big houses north of Clifton, but some nicely rebuilt homes south of Detroit and listing for $300,000+. I went back on Zillow yesterday to show them to my wife how nice the interiors were, and all of the houses were off the market. I presume they had sold. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 22, 20187 yr I looked at two houses with my contractor yesterday ...The first house is on w47th between Bridge and Franklin, the other is on w59th north of Detroit. The house on 47th was gutted to the studs and needs about 15k in structural repair before construction could ever begin. The sales price will be 120k when it gets listed. It's going to need an additional investment of 160k to bring it up today's green verification standards. That's not even including the cost to build a garage. The other house on w59th is a small double that could be converted back into single. It's listed at 143k and needs completely gutted and rebuilt. The current garage is caving in on itself so add in the cost to demo and rebuild that as well. No way you could do all of that for under 300k (including the sales price). I used to find houses just like these for 60-80k in the same neighborhood only two short years. Times are a changing...
March 22, 20187 yr Regarding cars and their license plates, it's important to note which ones may be rental cars. Just because you see a New York, Delaware, Virginia, etc license plate does not mean the car is actually from those locations. I have to order rental cars for work all the time as I travel, and as goes with rentals, I have plates from all over the US. I will park my car on the street if I have to travel the next day or possibly throughout the week. I knew many coworkers in Florida who would do the same. So just because you see a car with a different license plate does not mean someone is moving into the neighborhood from another state. Not the best way of determining if an area is seeing a large influx of new residents from elsewhere. If it's a rental, you most likely can tell when you see a bar code in one of the windows.
March 22, 20187 yr My wife and I are flying in for our house-hunting trip in two weeks for the westside...fingers crossed from what I'm reading on here. Those speeds mentioned are at Seattle levels.
March 22, 20187 yr Regarding cars and their license plates, it's important to note which ones may be rental cars. Just because you see a New York, Delaware, Virginia, etc license plate does not mean the car is actually from those locations. I have to order rental cars for work all the time as I travel, and as goes with rentals, I have plates from all over the US. I will park my car on the street if I have to travel the next day or possibly throughout the week. I knew many coworkers in Florida who would do the same. So just because you see a car with a different license plate does not mean someone is moving into the neighborhood from another state. Not the best way of determining if an area is seeing a large influx of new residents from elsewhere. If it's a rental, you most likely can tell when you see a bar code in one of the windows. How long do people normally rent a car? isn't it for a few days or maybe a week or two? I'm seeing the same cars parked outside of apartment buildings in my neighborhood for several months now. And do that many people rent cars so that half the cars parked on Murray Hill Road are from out of state? Or at Ohio City apartments near where YABO713[/member] lives? And is bringing large amounts of out-of-state rental cars a new thing? If so, why? If the out-of-state plates was the only strange new thing going that indicates significant numbers of new relocations, then I would agree that something car-related is going on -- and only car related. But there are multiple non-car-related indicators involved and referenced in my article. And I didn't even include the comments in this forum about out-of-state newcomers are forumers' gyms, fitness centers, etc. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 22, 20187 yr Regarding cars and their license plates, it's important to note which ones may be rental cars. Just because you see a New York, Delaware, Virginia, etc license plate does not mean the car is actually from those locations. I have to order rental cars for work all the time as I travel, and as goes with rentals, I have plates from all over the US. I will park my car on the street if I have to travel the next day or possibly throughout the week. I knew many coworkers in Florida who would do the same. So just because you see a car with a different license plate does not mean someone is moving into the neighborhood from another state. Not the best way of determining if an area is seeing a large influx of new residents from elsewhere. If it's a rental, you most likely can tell when you see a bar code in one of the windows. How long do people normally rent a car? isn't it for a few days or maybe a week or two? I'm seeing the same cars parked outside of apartment buildings in my neighborhood for several months now. And do that many people rent cars so that half the cars parked on Murray Hill Road are from out of state? Or at Ohio City apartments near where YABO713[/member] lives? And is bringing large amounts of out-of-state rental cars a new thing? If so, why? If the out-of-state plates was the only strange new thing going that indicates significant numbers of new relocations, then I would agree that something car-related is going on -- and only car related. But there are multiple non-car-related indicators involved and referenced in my article. And I didn't even include the comments in this forum about out-of-state newcomers are forumers' gyms, fitness centers, etc. For the most part I follow the forums relatively quietly and I've always been interested in the excitement over license plates that seem to be the buzz on here lately. It wasn't till I read this on UO that I started looking myself here in Columbus. I live in the Short North, Italian Village area of Columbus and work downtown. In my parking garage at work, I started taking notice and I would argue I see 15-20 cars a day from New York, and easily similar counts for NJ, PA, VA etc from primarily the Eastern states, and that just my one lone parking garage alone. Driving around the neighborhood going home or to the grocery or whatever I also see plenty of plates from East Coast states. That being said, I've never really taken this as a sign that these folks are relocating to Columbus or Ohio but maybe I'm being naïve?
March 22, 20187 yr Again, a sudden increase in the number of out-of-state license plates by themselves should only cause someone to look for other information to see if real estate, day care centers, etc. are seeing a sudden uptick in out-of-state interest. I did that and found they were also experiencing the same, sudden increase in out-of-state activity. I even put the information in my article and put names on the sources. Stop the hyper-focus on license plates. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 22, 20187 yr Regarding cars and their license plates, it's important to note which ones may be rental cars. Just because you see a New York, Delaware, Virginia, etc license plate does not mean the car is actually from those locations. I have to order rental cars for work all the time as I travel, and as goes with rentals, I have plates from all over the US. I will park my car on the street if I have to travel the next day or possibly throughout the week. I knew many coworkers in Florida who would do the same. So just because you see a car with a different license plate does not mean someone is moving into the neighborhood from another state. Not the best way of determining if an area is seeing a large influx of new residents from elsewhere. If it's a rental, you most likely can tell when you see a bar code in one of the windows. How long do people normally rent a car? isn't it for a few days or maybe a week or two? I'm seeing the same cars parked outside of apartment buildings in my neighborhood for several months now. And do that many people rent cars so that half the cars parked on Murray Hill Road are from out of state? Or at Ohio City apartments near where YABO713[/member] lives? And is bringing large amounts of out-of-state rental cars a new thing? If so, why? If the out-of-state plates was the only strange new thing going that indicates significant numbers of new relocations, then I would agree that something car-related is going on -- and only car related. But there are multiple non-car-related indicators involved and referenced in my article. And I didn't even include the comments in this forum about out-of-state newcomers are forumers' gyms, fitness centers, etc. People can rent a car for any length of time. Who's to say what's going on, but a lot of the hype around the license plates seemed pretty anecdotal, and all I am saying is there could be many reasons behind it. There's no need to stop with the focus on license plates when it gets brought up constantly. All I was doing was mentioning it might be rental cars and that seems to have struck a nerve. Obviously more is going on then rental cars, but when that seems to be the topic of more than one post, it's worth mentioning other factors regarding those cars.
March 22, 20187 yr Regarding cars and their license plates, it's important to note which ones may be rental cars. Just because you see a New York, Delaware, Virginia, etc license plate does not mean the car is actually from those locations. I have to order rental cars for work all the time as I travel, and as goes with rentals, I have plates from all over the US. I will park my car on the street if I have to travel the next day or possibly throughout the week. I knew many coworkers in Florida who would do the same. So just because you see a car with a different license plate does not mean someone is moving into the neighborhood from another state. Not the best way of determining if an area is seeing a large influx of new residents from elsewhere. If it's a rental, you most likely can tell when you see a bar code in one of the windows. How long do people normally rent a car? isn't it for a few days or maybe a week or two? I'm seeing the same cars parked outside of apartment buildings in my neighborhood for several months now. And do that many people rent cars so that half the cars parked on Murray Hill Road are from out of state? Or at Ohio City apartments near where YABO713[/member] lives? And is bringing large amounts of out-of-state rental cars a new thing? If so, why? If the out-of-state plates was the only strange new thing going that indicates significant numbers of new relocations, then I would agree that something car-related is going on -- and only car related. But there are multiple non-car-related indicators involved and referenced in my article. And I didn't even include the comments in this forum about out-of-state newcomers are forumers' gyms, fitness centers, etc. People can rent a car for any length of time. Who's to say what's going on, but a lot of the hype around the license plates seemed pretty anecdotal, and all I am saying is there could be many reasons behind it. There's no need to stop with the focus on license plates when it gets brought up constantly. All I was doing was mentioning it might be rental cars and that seems to have struck a nerve. Obviously more is going on then rental cars, but when that seems to be the topic of more than one post, it's worth mentioning other factors regarding those cars. Are these statements anecdotal? Third, for those already married with children, they're probably noticing new faces at their child's day care. For example, at Lakewood Child Care Center, they're coming from New York, other eastern states as well as from Chicago, said Director Holle Brambrick. "Our (facility) tours of potential new customers coming from out-of-state has definitely increased in the past year," she said. and.... Furthermore, Skantzos estimates that about 20 to 25 percent of the work at Howard Hanna's Rocky River office is handling relocations to the Cleveland area. While only about 5 percent of his business is relocations, there are realtors at his office who handle nothing but relocations and they are busy, he says. and... The change in the market is being noticed in Downtown Cleveland too. There, Greg Deming, property manager at the new Worthington Yards apartments in the Warehouse District, said he's surprised by the number of people relocating to Cleveland for new jobs this winter.
March 22, 20187 yr Regarding cars and their license plates, it's important to note which ones may be rental cars. Just because you see a New York, Delaware, Virginia, etc license plate does not mean the car is actually from those locations. I have to order rental cars for work all the time as I travel, and as goes with rentals, I have plates from all over the US. I will park my car on the street if I have to travel the next day or possibly throughout the week. I knew many coworkers in Florida who would do the same. So just because you see a car with a different license plate does not mean someone is moving into the neighborhood from another state. Not the best way of determining if an area is seeing a large influx of new residents from elsewhere. If it's a rental, you most likely can tell when you see a bar code in one of the windows. How long do people normally rent a car? isn't it for a few days or maybe a week or two? I'm seeing the same cars parked outside of apartment buildings in my neighborhood for several months now. And do that many people rent cars so that half the cars parked on Murray Hill Road are from out of state? Or at Ohio City apartments near where YABO713[/member] lives? And is bringing large amounts of out-of-state rental cars a new thing? If so, why? If the out-of-state plates was the only strange new thing going that indicates significant numbers of new relocations, then I would agree that something car-related is going on -- and only car related. But there are multiple non-car-related indicators involved and referenced in my article. And I didn't even include the comments in this forum about out-of-state newcomers are forumers' gyms, fitness centers, etc. People can rent a car for any length of time. Who's to say what's going on, but a lot of the hype around the license plates seemed pretty anecdotal, and all I am saying is there could be many reasons behind it. There's no need to stop with the focus on license plates when it gets brought up constantly. All I was doing was mentioning it might be rental cars and that seems to have struck a nerve. Obviously more is going on then rental cars, but when that seems to be the topic of more than one post, it's worth mentioning other factors regarding those cars. Are these statements anecdotal? Third, for those already married with children, they're probably noticing new faces at their child's day care. For example, at Lakewood Child Care Center, they're coming from New York, other eastern states as well as from Chicago, said Director Holle Brambrick. "Our (facility) tours of potential new customers coming from out-of-state has definitely increased in the past year," she said. and.... Furthermore, Skantzos estimates that about 20 to 25 percent of the work at Howard Hanna's Rocky River office is handling relocations to the Cleveland area. While only about 5 percent of his business is relocations, there are realtors at his office who handle nothing but relocations and they are busy, he says. and... The change in the market is being noticed in Downtown Cleveland too. There, Greg Deming, property manager at the new Worthington Yards apartments in the Warehouse District, said he's surprised by the number of people relocating to Cleveland for new jobs this winter. Did I mention that any of what you just posted was? I referenced that there can be any number of reasons why you see multiple state license plates in certain areas. Rental cars can be one of those.
March 22, 20187 yr ^ No you didn't mention it, but I think the facts point towards many of the out of state plates are due to people relocating here. The house across the street from me just sold to a young couple from Michigan. Another couple from Chicago bought a house I rehabbed on Bridge Ave in February. I've lived here since 2012 and have never seen (and met) so many people from other states moving here like they have in last year. It's insane.
March 22, 20187 yr Occam's razor -- the problem-solving principle that, when presented with competing hypothetical answers to a question, one should select the one that makes the fewest assumptions. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 22, 20187 yr Regarding cars and their license plates, it's important to note which ones may be rental cars. Just because you see a New York, Delaware, Virginia, etc license plate does not mean the car is actually from those locations. I have to order rental cars for work all the time as I travel, and as goes with rentals, I have plates from all over the US. I will park my car on the street if I have to travel the next day or possibly throughout the week. I knew many coworkers in Florida who would do the same. So just because you see a car with a different license plate does not mean someone is moving into the neighborhood from another state. Not the best way of determining if an area is seeing a large influx of new residents from elsewhere. If it's a rental, you most likely can tell when you see a bar code in one of the windows. Most of the ones I see on the near west side also have dealer markings or license frames from Buffalo, Rochester, etc. Definitely not rental car fleet.
March 23, 20187 yr Jumping back to the housing market and specifically out of state relocations: It's being noticed on the inner east side as well, though probably not at the same level as the near west side. I work for the South Euclid housing department, on the city's side of the sales process. I can tell you a higher number have been either selling to, or at least receiving interest from out of state buyers, and not only as rental and investment properties. New York, California, and Pennsylvania have been the most common I'd say. We are having a large influx of Orthodox Jews from Brooklyn. Entire streets are being bought up for families coming over due to the cost of living. Overall we are experiencing the same side effects of tight supply. The last report I saw showed our average sale price up nearly 25% in the last year. Time on the market has certainly decreased, and its not uncommon for me to see houses that have a buyer lined up without even going officially on the market. These are of course houses that have seen investment put into them. Houses that haven't been remodeled in 30 years still can sit for some time. People who either were unable to sell their house after the financial crisis, or investors who bought rental properties at the time are now selling. I don't have specific numbers, but many are selling to owner occupants, instead of just transferring from one investor to another. It's getting harder and harder to find any house under $50k, even at sheriff's sale. I've spoken with four investors/trusts who are now selling off their entire rental portfolios, and not in bulk, but breaking them up and selling them individually. EDIT: PS, I've seen two EU license plates in Ohio City this year!
March 23, 20187 yr Cleveland employers offer incentive for employees to live in, build up neighborhoods near work www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/oh-cuyahoga/cleveland-employers-offer-incentive-for-employees-to-live-in-build-up-neighborhoods-near-work?hootPostID=36eb109af81d33adc29df5bad6d6c4bb "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 23, 20187 yr Cleveland employers offer incentive for employees to live in, build up neighborhoods near work www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/oh-cuyahoga/cleveland-employers-offer-incentive-for-employees-to-live-in-build-up-neighborhoods-near-work?hootPostID=36eb109af81d33adc29df5bad6d6c4bb what a novel idea. Too bad the police & fire rejected it
March 23, 20187 yr what a novel idea. Too bad the police & fire rejected it What are you talking about?? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 23, 20187 yr I think Gottaplan is thinking about the requirement of police and fire of the city of cleveland being required to live in the city of cleveland...a requirement which was ended some time ago and which is different from this program
March 23, 20187 yr Yep, totally unrelated. These aren't employees of city government but of independent nonprofit organizations, as noted quite clearly in the article. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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