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3 hours ago, Mov2Ohio said:

 

 

 

Not necessarily. I took it to mean that given the assumed expansiveness of the network, AT&T probably had to apply for multiple permits for each of the locations they needed to work in. If there are 20 locations, then there should be 20 applications and then 20 permits. They may have issued 15, but not the other 5.

 

I more than anyone else here thinks the city needs to streamline its process, however the city does have 30 days to review plans and either give approval, rejection or ask for clarification. If these were all submitted on February 1st, we're not even halfway through that time frame.

 

That submit date applies to the small cell apps and that's only part of the project.  They still haven't issued all the fiber permits.  And issuing 15 permits doesn't solve the problem of needing 20.  By and large, you need to get past the permitting phase before you start moving equipment around.  If one item can't get permits, it might blow the whole plan.  And the city should be aware of that by now.

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2 hours ago, Cleburger said:

I'm sure Mayor Jackson was anticipating this and has an aggressive re-thought Plan-B package that can be on Bezos' desk this afternoon?  

 

Amazon pulls out of $3 billion deal to bring HQ2 to NYC

 

https://nypost.com/2019/02/14/amazon-pulls-out-of-3-billion-deal-to-bring-hq2-to-queens/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=facebook_app&fbclid=IwAR3Ph6nCatPAWi8aziPuFg-fpr2YKq7e-gM_yEFy4yvdHdTXMjFy25eB-NA

 

I had mixed feelings about this project. It was crazy to give 3 billion in subsidies to them, to say nothing of the fact the the governor and mayor basically made this deal in secret without consulting the community. There was a lot of concern that most of these jobs would go to highly paid high tech people who had Ivy League degrees who would be recruited from outside NYC. That said, it could have benefited the local community in Queens that has thousands of low income residents. The peripheral effects of having such a lavish facility could have been unprecedented, spinning off many times the 25K directly employed by Amazon. But the people of western Queens will never get the opportunity to find out, thanks in large part to all the elitist left wing local politicians (like one time gubernatorial candidate and millionaire actress Cynthia Nixon) who went all out to campaign for its demise (despite polls showing the majority of New Yorkers supporting it), including, that's right--the one and only Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, whose own district borders this neighborhood! I'd love to hear her explain to the many "everyday New Yorkers" who were looking forward to the opportunity for possible employment with Amazon why it's better that it won't be happening

 

 

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@eastvillagedon the demographic breakdown showed black and latino residents supported the project. Most opposition was from white New Yorkers

3 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

@eastvillagedon the demographic breakdown showed black and latino residents supported the project. Most opposition was from white New Yorkers

 

it just demonstrates the hubris and self-righteousness of the left

4 minutes ago, eastvillagedon said:

 

it just demonstrates the hubris and self-righteousness of the left

 

Meh.... I'm not certain of the political leanings of every resident that opposed it, so I won't go there yet. 

Yeah I'm not sure why she's declaring a victory.  Cleveland would love to have that Amazon office.  Must be nice, being too good for it.

5 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

Meh.... I'm not certain of the political leanings of every resident that opposed it, so I won't go there yet. 

no, certainly not everyone who opposed it is left wing. I'm talking about the cabal of politicians who spearheaded this movement, like AOC and Cynthia Nixon who I mentioned, but also the NYC council member from the district, Jimmy Van Bramer. He "represents" these people! What arrogance!

 

 

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If Amazon chose Cleveland, I don't know if there would be too many who would complain.  The spin-off of 20,000 extra people making $150,000 a year would be nice in this region.  Maybe unnoticeable in NY, but nice for Cleveland.  

52 minutes ago, Oldmanladyluck said:

If Amazon chose Cleveland, I don't know if there would be too many who would complain.  The spin-off of 20,000 extra people making $150,000 a year would be nice in this region.  Maybe unnoticeable in NY, but nice for Cleveland.  

 

That's true. With a development like this comes rampant increases in the prices of renting or buying property. In New York City the prices are already out of reach for many, so this would add insult to injury. 

 

For Cleveland where only a few pockets are unaffordable, but there are vast stretches of desolate property that could use a boost, this would be great.

There are quite a few Amazon locations in Northeast Ohio and growing. As this area is a large trucking hub with yellow formerly roadway and fedex formerly roadway express, plus many other truckjng firms, it might dawn on Amazon that it would be wise to place some serious logistical offices in Northeast Ohio. There has historically been a large workforce with a focus on logistics in the Akron area. I could see an office building in Cleveland someplace maybe in the chagrin Highlands and one in Akron. 

   

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/2/14/18225001/hq-2-new-york-canceled-housing-impact

 

This article explains why NYC, DC, SF, SJ, etc. are bad locations for this type of project (for everyone except Amazon). They have overheated housing markets, and bringing in more high income residents will make them more unaffordable for everyone else. 

 

The article also mentions Cleveland by name as somewhere that would greatly benefit from something like HQ2. Because average home values in Cleveland are below replacement cost, there's little incentive for homeowners and landlords to improve their properties. 

Still not a peep from Frank Jackson's office on this potential development.   It may be a pipe-dream, but still worth mentioning.   If anyone is at city hall today could they lean in and wake the mayor up?   ?

55 minutes ago, Cleburger said:

Still not a peep from Frank Jackson's office on this potential development.   It may be a pipe-dream, but still worth mentioning.   If anyone is at city hall today could they lean in and wake the mayor up?   ?

 

I'd rather him be a creepy potential beau than the kid that sits on the bleachers during the dance

It's not just Frank Jackson though.  Joe Roman at Greater Cleveland Partnership should be all over this too.  This should be a regional effort to get Amazon.  Unfortunately, NEO does not politically function as a region. 

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Sending out a collective email to everyone might help... sounds like a project for this weekend.

Hate to say it, but I assume Amazon would go back to their earlier short list rather than looking beyond it.  We didn't make that cut.  And unless I missed something, we still don't know what kind of pitch was made on our behalf.

They need to offer something better than the TT for a headquarters...

The "Shortlist" was a sham to keep Amazon on the front page in the largest markets in the country, while trying to squeeze tax concessions from New York and DC-area.  

 

While I think it's helpful for Cleveland to work on its pitch to other potential large companies, nothing I've seen in the process tells me that Amazon would actually consider a non Top10 market. 

Don't expect Amazon to open non-warehouse or data center jobs here any time soon.

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news/2019/02/14/amazon-cancels-plans-to-put-part-of-hq2-in-new.html?ana=e_ae_set1&s=article_du&ed=2019-02-14&u=a%2FUXHJBqHDDWLb4YgPCvlA0dac0c51&t=1550180967&j=86683471

 

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The company added it would "proceed as planned" with a 25,000-job campus in Northern Virginia as well as putting a 5,000-job operations hub in Nashville. Amazon also said it did not "intend to reopen the HQ2 search at this time" and "will continue to hire and grow across our 17 corporate offices and tech hubs in the U.S. and Canada."


Spokesman Adam Sedo confirmed in an email to the Business Journals that the 25,000 jobs planned for New York will be spread among these cities or metropolitan areas: Atlanta, Austin, Boston, California's Bay Area, Chicago, Dallas, Denver, Detroit, Los Angeles, Minneapolis, New York, Phoenix, Pittsburgh, Portland, San Diego, Toronto and Vancouver.

 

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13 minutes ago, Mildtraumatic said:

They need to offer something better than the TT for a headquarters...

Offer them their own "smile" island.  Iconic and visible from space!  Think Dubai.

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They shoud've been offered Burke to do as they wish with it.  

3 hours ago, Mendo said:

 

Wow, they sure hate Ohio.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

57 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

Wow, they sure hate Ohio.

 

Ohio's social policies are antiquated and it treats its cities poorly.  Coastal tech companies are known to prefer otherwise.  Cleveland does what it can to compensate, but the governance problems really hold it back IMO.  Would you make a billion dollar deal with Armond Budish right now?  Feds just took his computer.

Because city officials in Chicago, Detroit and New York are so virtuous. If Illinois and New York were so progressive they wouldn't be losing population. 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

I'd love to post the full article but can't due to copyrights. And this article is protected by subscription. So I copied the most relevant snippet from this piece. And yes, one of my contractor friends says all trades in the Cleveland area are hurting for workers, especially masons which is tough, dirty work. But electricians, for example is much cleaner, and the union pay is better. Apprenticeship workers start at $13.50 per hour. All of the trades need people now....

 

February 17, 2019 04:00 AM UPDATED 14 HOURS AGO

Construction labor woes are wearing on region

STAN BULLARD 

 

...However, for the most part, construction contractors are planning their jobs more carefully and looking for hiked efforts to attract younger workers to replace a graying workforce the next few years.

 

Gareth Vaughan, president and CEO of Cleveland-based Albert M. Higley Co., said that at the moment builders are getting pulled in two ways at once on the labor front.

 

"We have increased demand because of a building boom in Cleveland," Vaughan said, "and we're seeing diminished interest from the next generation of workers." Vaughan said he believes that as a union contractor, his firm is seeing less impact from the changing labor outlook than its non-union, and lower-paying, competitors.

 

AM Higley's approach for now is to quiz subcontractors looking to work on its jobs about labor supply more than in the past. It also hopes to be an employer of choice to keep trades people coming back to its jobs.

 

At Fairlawn-based Welty Building Co., Chris Burns, chief operating officer, said the first item in the company's "daily huddle" about that day's work in the field includes an evaluation of the outlook for workers on the job. A decade ago, that was not an item of discussion.

 

MORE:

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/construction-labor-woes-are-wearing-region

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Good news from the RTA board meetings this month and last month....revenues from the RTA's 1 cent countywide sales tax are coming in VERY strong....

 

Sales tax revenues for Jan. 2019 were $17.3 million or 12.8 percent higher than Jan. 2018, and 9.5 percent higher than estimated by RTA. Sales tax revenues were above estimates last year, but not as strong as this. And there is preliminary data showing that sales tax revenues are continuing to come in at a brisk pace into February.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

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^Great to hear- pointing to both a growing economy and potentially a growing population...

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And the not-so-good news.....

 

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

37 minutes ago, KJP said:

And the not-so-good news.....

 

 

 

*Starts chant* "It's not an F! It's not an F!" 

We should get January employment data today. ?

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

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^Hoping this momentum continues!

 

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23 hours ago, KJP said:

And the not-so-good news.....

 

 

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10 hours ago, Oldmanladyluck said:

^Hoping this momentum continues!

 

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I'm surprised there was no report today.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

On 2/15/2019 at 2:27 PM, freefourur said:

They shoud've been offered Burke to do as they wish with it.  

THat's an interesting offer...  

1 hour ago, KJP said:

 

I'm surprised there was no report today.

It’s because the bls is calculating end of the year stats. I think the next report won’t come out for another couple of weeks.

Silverpeak, Legacy, and Oaktree Acquire Portfolio of Data Center Campuses in Cleveland and Cincinnati

http://www.theprogressnews.com/business/national/silverpeak-legacy-and-oaktree-acquire-portfolio-of-data-center-campuses/article_0c549b4c-9d31-5135-9263-a33a813195d3.html

 

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Silverpeak, Legacy, Oaktree Acquire Ohio Data Centers

Brad Lebovitz, managing director at Silverpeak, says the acquisitions introduce Silverpeak to edge markets where the firm sees limited supply.

https://www.globest.com/2019/02/26/silverpeak-legacy-and-oaktree-acquire-portfolio-of-data-center-campuses-in-cleveland-and-cincinnati/?slreturn=20190126113921

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Yesterday I saw five moving vans in Lakewood and the Edgewater neighborhood of Cleveland. Today I saw five more. Four were in motion so I don't know if they were moving in or out, but the others all appeared to be moving in. I mean, it's a weekend in early March but I don't think I've ever seen this level of activity here. 

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

1 minute ago, KJP said:

Yesterday I saw five moving vans in Lakewood and the Edgewater neighborhood of Cleveland. Today I saw five more. Four were in motion so I don't know if they were moving in or out, but the others all appeared to be moving in. I mean, it's a weekend in early March but I don't think I've ever seen this level of activity here. 

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Leases tend to begin on 1st of month. It could be local people getting new apartments.

Yes. Explains the activity yesterday and today. Doesn't explain THIS MUCH activity. Like I said, I've never seen this much activity.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

To add to KJP’s NY suspicions, I also still keep seeing NY plates moving into my development in Macedonia. At least 2 houses with NY plates have moved in the last 6 months. Another neighbor had WV plates. 

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All great news!

One of my coworkers was in line at Costco on the east side behind a couple who were talking about being new to Cleveland. He asked them where they were from and got to talk with them a bit. They moved from Manhattan and left because of the high costs of living and wanting to give their kids more room to grow. Said the four of them were living in a 500sq ft apartment, and now they living in a half with a master bedroom that's about that size. Paying less for a mortgage on a full house than they did on rent for a tiny apartment. 

 

I'll also throw in for good measure that we are still seeing Jewish families moving to South Euclid (and doubtlessly to UH, CH, and Beachwood) from the east coast due to prices.

Saw more U-hauls on I-90 going in the opposite direction as we headed out to Westlake on I-90. When we got to Westlake, we parked between a Florida car and a Massachusetts car. The people were getting in the Florida car so I asked them if they were up to here to enjoy the winter weather. They laughed and said they were originally from Pennsylvania, didn't like Florida and came to Cleveland for the cost of living.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Cleveland-based Tap Packaging Solutions announces relocation plans to Brooklyn

Updated 5:54 AM; Posted 5:54 AM

By John Benson, special to cleveland.com

 

BROOKLYN, Ohio -- Cleveland-based Tap Packaging Solutions has announced plans to lease a Tiedeman Road building from Premier Partners LLC. The site is currently home to Keystone Tailored Manufacturing, which is closing its doors next month. 

 

“We obviously feel sorry for the people who are losing their jobs at Keystone, but the quick replacement with Tap Packaging Solutions minimizes that impact,” Brooklyn Department of Economic Development Director Andi Udris said. “It’s a 250,000-square foot building, and Tap Packaging Solutions will be leasing 208,000 square feet.

 

“I think they’re a stronger tenant from a city standpoint of trying to stabilize our tax revenues. Keystone had a $5.1 million payroll and Tap Packaging Solutions is estimating a $6.1 million payroll.”

 

https://www.cleveland.com/community/2019/03/cleveland-based-tap-packaging-solutions-announces-relocation-plans-to-brooklyn.html

 

^This is the building announced just a couple weeks ago where Cross Country Mortgage would potentially locate as part of a larger mixed use development. First step in making that happen? 

March 05, 2019 01:53 PM UPDATED 21 MINUTES AGO

Beachwood's NeverBounce is bought by marketing and sales intelligence firm DiscoverOrg

 

NeverBounce, a Beachwood company that provides email verification and list cleansing services, has been acquired by DiscoverOrg, a marketing and sales intelligence company in Vancouver, Wash.

 

Terms of the deal were not disclosed.

 

NeverBounce CEO Brad Owen, in response to emailed questions from Crain's Cleveland Business, said the company's 12-person staff will continue to work from Beachwood, "joining a team of more than 1,000" at DiscoverOrg. Owen confirmed he will continue as CEO of NeverBounce. (NeverBounce also has an office in Salt Lake City, Utah.)

 

MORE:

https://www.crainscleveland.com/technology/beachwoods-neverbounce-bought-marketing-and-sales-intelligence-firm-discoverorg

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

https://www.cleveland.com/business/2019/03/ohio-unemployment-rate-47-percent-in-january-state-gained-20300-jobs.html

 

Some bad news for Ohio and probably for Cleveland as well. All the high numbers of job growth we saw may very well get revised drastically. From the article speaking on Ohio’s economy:

 

The ODJFS revised Decembers’ job gains down to a job loss of 64,300, he said. The department initially reported a gain of 2,900 jobs for December.

 

also:

 

“The data were so substantially revised that 2018, which had been reported as one of the best years for job growth since the late 1990s, now looks entirely mediocre, adding just 44,700 jobs for 0.8 percent growth,” she wrote. “The revised data made 2018 tied with 2016 for the second worst year for job growth since the end of the recession.”

 

 

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