what would it be?

 

I'm going to have an architecture and planning degree when I'm done with grad school next year, but I'd rather do something else.

 

If I had the money, I would open a business that does laser cutting, routering, large printing (plots), possibly advertising sign boards.  They are services that I believe are becoming more popular.  Laser cutting could be for anything.  Creating decals, signs, making models of buildings for architecture firms or hobbyists.  Typical rates are $1/min of use including setup time.  A CNC router could be used for a multitude of things such as making wall panels, again.. signs, models, and furniture.  I already have a lot of experience using these machines (but very limited experience in their maintenance).

 

I'm not sure about printing though.  I want to get into a business where people won't complain to me when their stuff doesn't look perfect. I work a side job at a printing shop right now and it's pretty easy, but people get upset over the most ridiculous things, when what is wrong with it is actually their fault for having a bad file.  So I might avoid this, but it is sure to bring in lots of cash if you are competitive enough with places that overcharge for plotting like Kinkos.

 

I know that a good laser cutter costs about $10,000.  That's really not all that bad actually since that is basically what makes my business.

 

This is all my dream business, but I guess I should be putting my degrees to work in the meantime.  :|

I would love to have a multimedia design business. I've always loved print design, but also video and film and motion graphics, and so something that could incorporate all of those elements would be amazing.

If I had the money, I would open a business that does laser cutting, routering, large printing (plots), possibly advertising sign boards.  They are services that I believe are becoming more popular.  Laser cutting could be for anything.  Creating decals, signs, making models of buildings for architecture firms or hobbyists.  Typical rates are $1/min of use including setup time.  A CNC router could be used for a multitude of things such as making wall panels, again.. signs, models, and furniture.  I already have a lot of experience using these machines (but very limited experience in their maintenance).

 

 

I underwrote the financing of a printing company acquisition a while ago. This is a very competitive industry, but you have the right idea in getting into a specialization. Just be aware it's very price sensitive. The deal I worked on ultimately went upside down when the economy turned in 2001/ 2002.

 

I would love to open a consulting business helping entrepreneurs navigate the ins and outs of starting a company, from business plan creation to obtaining start up financing. I see a need especially in instances where people have come up with a great idea / product concept, but have a problem, either logistically or financially, in creating a prototype and/or bringing the product to market. I'm trying to do this to a certain extent with my current job, but it's hard when you have to work within the constraints of other people's more risk averse policies.

I've been thinking of this for over a year.

I'll probably do PR/Communications Consulting.

 

Although the other "industries" I'm thinking about are:

– Home style and design

– Commerical design (window fronts, target marketing (ie the large "witness" sign) etc.)

– Personal Shopper or Stylist

– Real Estate

– Movie/Video production

– Youth outreach

 

 

 

I would love to see a good, Cleveland-based independent film company, actually.

yeah, but would you start it?  :-)

I wouldn't know where to begin. And it would probably take a LOT of work, considering I don't really have any investors lined up at the moment. But it's been a longtime fantasy of mine.

We looked into starting one but it was next to impossible.  We went and consulted with a "notable" entertainment attorney in town and he basically told us to forget it, that it was difficult enough to be an established organization like the Cleveland Ballet (now dead of course).  There were reams and reams of papers and rules about even calling our small company an LLC and we just couldn't get our minds around it while working FT jobs. 

 

I just think the film commission should have two branches - one that helps promote Cleveland as a draw for OOT projects to come here and shoot, and another one that supports the local film community in a very involved and active way.

Anyway I never answered the original question.

 

If this counts, I would like to own and operate a Potbelly or In & Out franchise.  The latter is particularly impossible as they do not franchise like other FF businesses, and although I've asked repeatedly, Potbelly has no plans to open a store in NE ohio to the best of my knowledge.  I just think both would be extremely popular and do great business.

 

If that's not an allowable answer I would probably open a restaurant focusing mostly on breakfast and lunch.  We have a dearth of good, independent breakfast places.  There's one here, one there, but no concentration of them with a lot of choices. 

We looked into starting one but it was next to impossible.  We went and consulted with a "notable" entertainment attorney in town and he basically told us to forget it, that it was difficult enough to be an established organization like the Cleveland Ballet (now dead of course).  There were reams and reams of papers and rules about even calling our small company an LLC and we just couldn't get our minds around it while working FT jobs. 

 

I just think the film commission should have two branches - one that helps promote Cleveland as a draw for OOT projects to come here and shoot, and another one that supports the local film community in a very involved and active way.

 

Just curious .. have you talked to the Film Commission for help?

 

Also, I didn't know the Cleveland Ballet was dead! When did that happen?

I have the dream of one day owning/running my own development/real estate investment firm.  It would have a focus on rehabbing old structures (hence the reasoning behind my Historic Preservation Certificate), and also doing infill projects in the inner-city.

 

If I really have it made I would also love to get into the restaurant industry (as I feel I have a good amount of experience in) and open up a slew of restaurants/bars/clubs.  If I have less money...a hole-in-the-wall bar would be cool too.  For a name I'm thinking Rando's or heck...even UncleRando's.

Several years ago.  I can't remember why but I believe the articles mentioned financial mis-management of some type.  Many of the dancers left and joined the San Jose ballet; the two companies collaborated from time to time.  I think they come back once a year to do Nutcracker.

 

We talked to the film commission when we were in pre-prod for our film.  They were next to no help.  The only cinematographer/shooter they could recommend to us wanted $800 a day!  I mean come on, this is a small Cleveland indie film, we didn't have that kind of budget.  And the cost and trouble in getting permits was just way too much for us.  We ended up shooting on private property and creating a waiver for people to sign. 

Various business ideas I've had:

 

Urban Planning/neighborhood redevelopment consultancy

Custom mapping service w/ attached map shop

Brew Pub

Upscale whiskey bar

Small concert venue, possibly in tandem with brew pub or whiskey bar

Guitar store- focus on exotic guitars- Teiscos, Hagstroms etc.

Used record store

I like the idea of the upscale whiskey bar!

My dream is to start a real estate development firm. I feel like if I'm involved in the management of projects, financing and marketing of it, I'll have more impact on the actual success of a project instead of just being a planning consultant.

I think that with brewpubs, wine bars, and upscale cocktail bars all becoming more popular and pushing up people's expectations of what a drink can be, that whiskey makes a lot of sense to be the next to get that attention.  It isn't something I have a lot of in depth knowledge about yet, but I am starting to appreciate how complex and diverse they are.  The big problem marketwise is that people are pushing more towards the lighter vodka/rum/tequila drinks.  Whiskey is more of an acquired taste.

My dream is to start a real estate development firm. I feel like if I'm involved in the management of projects, financing and marketing of it, I'll have more impact on the actual success of a project instead of just being a planning consultant.

 

Agreed, but let me tell you that being the "developer" is a b*tch.  It's a game of screw your neighbor, and you are by design the man in the middle, with everyone trying to take what they can from you, and you only successful if you can fend them off and get whatever you can back from them.  It could be worth it if you had a product that was really your baby, though.

I forgot to add.  I want to produce a "Men's grooming-manners-what to wear" type of show.  

 

I'm talking old school style.  I know that sounds like "queer eye for the straight guy" or "what not to wear".  Yet there is a market for this type of thing.  Right Punch?   :wink:

 

There are so many men that:

-  Don't know how to pick out a tie, let alone tie it, or which tie knot to use that compliments the shirt they are wearing.

 

- Can buy a pair a sneakers, yet don't know how to pick out an appropriate dress or casual shoe

 

- That buy shirts in "small", "medium", "large" but don't know how their measurements or hot to pick out the appropriate sized shirt.

 

- That buy ill fitting jeans and think that the same rules apply when purchasing a pair of pants/slack.

 

– Don't know how to shave properly or are unsure how to groom their body or know what type of "beauty" products to use for their skin type and age.

 

– That don't know the difference between "white tie" and "black tie".

 

My dream is to start a real estate development firm. I feel like if I'm involved in the management of projects, financing and marketing of it, I'll have more impact on the actual success of a project instead of just being a planning consultant.

 

My dream is to start a real estate development firm. I feel like if I'm involved in the management of projects, financing and marketing of it, I'll have more impact on the actual success of a project instead of just being a planning consultant.

 

Agreed, but let me tell you that being the "developer" is a b*tch.  It's a game of screw your neighbor, and you are by design the man in the middle, with everyone trying to take what they can from you, and you only successful if you can fend them off and get whatever you can back from them.  It could be worth it if you had a product that was really your baby, though.

 

I have to agree with X, my brother, cousin and I have flipped three places.  Its a hell of a lot easier to say than do.  It's a full time job.

I forgot to add.  I want to produce a "Men's grooming-manners-what to wear" type of show.  

 

I'm talking old school style.  I know that sounds like "queer eye for the straight guy" or "what not to wear".  Yet there is a market for this type of thing.  Right Punch?   :wink:

 

There are so many men that:

-  Don't know how to pick out a tie, let alone tie it, or which tie knot to use that compliments the shirt they are wearing.

 

- Can buy a pair a sneakers, yet don't know how to pick out an appropriate dress or casual shoe

 

- That buy shirts in "small", "medium", "large" but don't know how their measurements or hot to pick out the appropriate sized shirt.

 

- That buy ill fitting jeans and think that the same rules apply when purchasing a pair of pants/slack.

 

– Don't know how to shave properly or are unsure how to groom their body or know what type of "beauty" products to use for their skin type and age.

 

– That don't know the difference between "white tie" and "black tie".

 

I think that's desperately needed here.  When I met my husband his fashion sense could be described as "typical Cleveland."  Browns hat, Browns sweatshirt, baggy jeans.  Now he still wears that, but he has gotten a lot more interested in what to wear, what tie goes with what shirt, etc because I got him a subscription to Esquire a few years ago - subtle of me, isn't it? :)  He became interested just by reading the mag.  They discuss these things very gently and selectively which is just what he needs.

 

The problem is I don't think he would take kindly to a "queer eye" setting, he would just refuse it.  He's really, really not homophobic but he would just not be comfortable with any guys like that fawning and preening and touching him, even a straight male "consultant" would be uncomfortable for him. I think a show like this that had both men AND women as "hosts" would be great, and maybe you could pick the "fashion expert" you want to help with your makeover or something?

Sorry I didn't end the quote properly in my response above.

Honey, even *I* wouldn't be comfortable around Carson Kressley! :laugh:

 

It's a game of screw your neighbor, and you are by design the man in the middle, with everyone trying to take what they can from you, and you only successful if you can fend them off and get whatever you can back from them. 

 

Sounds like my life already! LOL

Honey, even *I* wouldn't be comfortable around Carson Kressley! :laugh:

 

I would! :)  But then again I've spent most of my adult life in the theater world.

I guess I just get itchy around guys that make ME feel ultra-butch! :-D

Well, we were joking about this after discussing it in my Japanese Society course, but over in Japan, there are vending machines everywhere! They sell anything from beer to food products to clothes... you name it, it's in a vending machine.

 

And of course, there were used panty vending machines. We kidded around about how novel (and profitable) of an idea this would be in the states...

I guess I just get itchy around guys that make ME feel ultra-butch! :-D

 

OK.  I've official spit coffee into my garbage can before it came out of my nose.  One wasted one of cup of java for the day.  Thanks MayDay.  :whip:

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Men need more guidance and hand holding than women.  They are more apt to take advise from a man that they are comfortable with than a woman who is "forcing" them outside of their comfort zone.  Women can shop in "packs" so there is a built in support system.  Yet most single men are solitary shoppers and are relying on a sales associate who is either to busy or uneducated about the products offered, to be of any real or lasting help.  That is a bad mix for a man who already are unsure about their body and uncomfortable about buying clothes. (If its a high school/college kid, its worse because their bodies are constantly changing just like their taste.)  You're taking advice from someone who is trying to make a sale, instead trying to help you with the best purchase and value for overall need. 

 

I want to teach guys "how to properly fill out a wardrobe.  Instead of buying the suggested outfits on the manican, when they shirt, fabric, pattern, etc. might not be right for their body, personality or season.

 

Classic example.  Saying, "nice shirt" instead of saying, "you look fabulous in that shirt"

 

My show wouldn't be overwhelming as QEFTG or WNTW

 

I want to have something that is multi generational:

 

» young men like my nephews' age who think anything with a label is "hot" and idolize a certain persons look.  My 15 y/o nephew dresses like me with splashes of his favorite artist, andre3000. He's an acception because he had me, but most 12/13/14/15 y/o need to learn the basics ASAP!

 

»20 somethings like my one of my younger cousins who wants to dress in Style (modern casual) yet don't have the income to do so

 

»30 somethings who are trying to make a statement personally and professionally, and have odd pieces as a foundation for a good wardrobe but need guidance filling in the blanks.

 

» established 40 somethings that have the disposable income to shop 'til they drop

 

»the "50 and fly" set like my favorite uncle who have great style but still needs help to keeping things fresh.

 

»and older "sharp" men like my Dad & uncle who has amazing taste, but think spending $200 on a pair of jeans is crazy yet aren't ready to go "sweat suit" shopping.

 

Young kids are no longer taught grooming basics & essentials.  Many don't even know how to shine a pair of shoes.  I don't want a show for women because there are already too many shows like this for women.  I  have life examples (I have 23 male cousins) that are constantly asking my advice on "what to wear/How to wear something", "what reastaurant should I go to", "I need you to take me shopping", "what can I do to my apartment/house to update and increase its value", "do you think if I got my haircut like this it would look ok?" or the famous, "can I borrow.....".  and female cousins that are like, "can you do something with my boyfriend" or "can you come over here and talk to you uncle, he thinks hes going somewhere with me looking a mess"

 

Yesterday, my 15 y/o nephew, cousin, brother and father all went "shopping" in my accessories/furnishing closets.

 

I could probably produce and film the show in my closet!  LOL

 

you say "They are more apt to take advise from a man that they are comfortable with than a woman who is "forcing" them outside of their comfort zone....most single men are solitary shoppers and are relying on a sales associate who is either to busy or uneducated about the products offered, to be of any real or lasting help."

 

See, most of the guys I've dated don't want anyone helping them. They do NOT rely on the sales associates and just buy things off the rack and take them home; they don't even like trying things on in the store because it just prolongs shopping.  I think it just depends on the guy and that's why I think a format where they could pick who should help them would be great. 

 

And I don't even think they notice the mannequins. :)

See, most of the guys I've dated don't want anyone helping them. They do NOT rely on the sales associates and just buy things off the rack and take them home; they don't even like trying things on in the store because it just prolongs shopping.  I think it just depends on the guy and that's why I think a format where they could pick who should help them would be great. 

 

And I don't even think they notice the mannequins. :)

 

Thats the guy who needs my help!

I agree he needs it.  He just wouldn't be willing to accept it because you are a male :)

I've brainstormed quite often about some type of public/private nonprofit development corporation completing projects in the inner-city partly subsidized by projects in sububan areas and more successful urban neighborhoods.

 

Not really looking to make money, just have some fun.

Straight guys want to hear fashion advice from a female. That's who they're trying to impress.

The problem is the guys get distracted long before the female gives one bit of advice. Pigs. ;-) Seriously David - who do you think women go to when it comes to gossiping about you guys? It's either other women or "my people" - and smart hetero guys know that any Queen worth mentioning has a Princess* or two who are also worth mentioning. *Note, I do not use the term "f@gh@g" 1. I'm no common f@g, I'm a Queen. and 2. My galpals aren't hags, they're princesses (well, one's a lady-in-waiting but that's another story).

 

Anyway, I've love to be a philanthropist - of course, being a philanthropist would require a few more million or billion dollars than I currently have. Oh well.

 

Things I think I might enjoy (if I didn't enjoy my day job so much - and if they would actually pay the bills):

 

1. Tour guide for Cleveland - focusing on newcomers. This is one of those "it'd be nice, but it wouldn't pay the bills" ideas.

2. Personal trainer/life coach - focusing on women with weight issues. I tend to bond well with women, and I have empathy for what they're going through.

3. Marketing for high-end urban properties. I have no desire to actually deal with the nittygritty of real estate (legal-ese, math, contracts, etc.) but putting together the materials for marketing could be fun.

 

 

The only thing mine gets distracted with when shopping is his desperation for it all to be over so we can LEAVE. 

 

Ironically, if I give him a task to help me with when I am shopping (I want black leather gloves, help me find them), he's pretty good at it and his patience lasts slightly longer, but when it comes to shopping for him, he would just rather be anywhere but there.

I agree he needs it.  He just wouldn't be willing to accept it because you are a male :)

 

Just has to get of his stubborn male pride.

 

About 10 years ago, my brother confessed to me that when we lived in my parents home, that almost everyday before school, he would sneak into my room and see what clothes I had laid out.  Then he would go back to his room and pick out something similar and go downstairs to breakfast, knowing that once I came down and saw that he was in an outfit similar to mine, I would change and on occasion when nobody was home he would read my mens vogue.  

 

He said that how he learned how to dress. He was to embarrassed to ask and we were fighting almost daily on top of that.  

 

Straight guys want to hear fashion advice from a female. That's who they're trying to impress.

You want to "hear" it but do you take it.  Married men are more likely to take their spouse and listen to them.  Not a single guy.

 

The problem is the guys get distracted long before the female gives one bit of advice. Pigs. ;-)

I second that!  When I was planning my brothers wedding, he and my SOL self admittedly have no style, he had a fit picking out tuxedo's and I narrowed it down to two, knowing that if I showed him anything else it would a nightmare.  Once he picked the jacket and pants he liked, I bought everything else, cause I knew it would be too much for him to do and he sat there.  In the car he said,"You live for this sh*t don't you?"

It's not pride at all. He would just not be comfortable with some guy handing him things and him changing and then showing him how it looks, the guy adjusting his pants or tie or whatever, he just doesn't want other guys touching him.  It's just how he is. I have gone out with an awful lot of men who feel this way.

3. Marketing for high-end urban properties. I have no desire to actually deal with the nittygritty of real estate (legal-ese, math, contracts, etc.) but putting together the materials for marketing could be fun.

 

 

 

You have such potential in photography.  What about that, photojournalism or film?  I would do a JV with you.  I've told you this before and I'm not just blowing smoke up your culo, but I think that you have a great eye and it appears you're very comfortable behind a camera.

Photojournalism? Like riding along with cops and snapping action pics? No thanks!  :police: :shoot:  :-o :police: :wtf:

 

Seriously though, I've been working with the folks at Zaremba with photos for the Avenue District and that seems to be going well. Stark Enterprises is also using my photos for the massings for the Warehouse District project. That's the kind of stuff I'd like to get into (or *more* into), but of course it would be nice if there was more of a market for it in Cleveland.

Photojournalism? Like riding along with cops and snapping action pics? No thanks!  :police: :shoot:  :-o :police: :wtf:

 

Seriously though, I've been working with the folks at Zaremba with photos for the Avenue District and that seems to be going well. Stark Enterprises is also using my photos for the massings for the Warehouse District project. That's the kind of stuff I'd like to get into (or *more* into), but of course it would be nice if there was more of a market for it in Cleveland.

 

Photojournalism doesn't have to be news.  Now the stuff you're doing for developers is a start great start and will get the future multimedia MayDayCo off the ground  :wink:

I remember once a long time ago I wanted to build websites.  I never picked up on that.  Now I hate building websites and people are actually coming forward and paying me to do them.  At this rate, I'm getting paid very well to the point I could consider this an actual income.  But I hate doing it!

 

I'd also really love to start a grungy, cool bar/music venue in Cleveland for obscure indie acts to come and perform. These could be based in Cleveland or national or international, for that matter, but I would definitely want the music to be off-the-beaten-path, so to speak. Not sure what kind of a market there is for that in Cleveland as most of the kiddies still seem to be into the emo/hard rock sh!t, but it would be fun.

 

Maybe it could even be combined with a performing arts type of place, but again, this would have to involve stuff that's more avant garde .. perhaps performance art, dance, theatre, video/art installations. Man .. I would love that. I would love for it to one day build up a national reputation and really help to put Cleveland more on the map in terms of art that's cutting edge and progressive.

The problem is the guys get distracted long before the female gives one bit of advice. Pigs. ;-) Seriously David - who do you think women go to when it comes to gossiping about you guys? It's either other women or "my people" - and smart hetero guys know that any Queen worth mentioning has a Princess* or two who are also worth mentioning. *Note, I do not use the term "f@gh@g" 1. I'm no common f@g, I'm a Queen. and 2. My galpals aren't hags, they're princesses (well, one's a lady-in-waiting but that's another story).

 

Don't get me wrong, I'd take fashion advice from a gay guy, I'm just saying--I know straight guys and their attitude is basically that shows like Queer Eye will make them look too "gay" (they probably start thinking about all of the accessories). Of course everyone should care about aesthetics and the way they present themselves. I think the show could be a huge success if it 1), ensures straight guys that they can still be masculine and have a great sense of style and 2), Don't suggest that fashion is such a "gay" thing and will cause them to lose their identity as a straight man. The name "queer eye" itself sort of suggests that. Just my two pennies!

I remember once a long time ago I wanted to build websites.  I never picked up on that.  Now I hate building websites and people are actually coming forward and paying me to do them.  At this rate, I'm getting paid very well to the point I could consider this an actual income.  But I hate doing it!

 

 

What do you charge to build websites? I'm good at making graphics, just not the HTML, etc. and I don't know how to host it and all that jazz.

The problem is the guys get distracted long before the female gives one bit of advice. Pigs. ;-) Seriously David - who do you think women go to when it comes to gossiping about you guys? It's either other women or "my people" - and smart hetero guys know that any Queen worth mentioning has a Princess* or two who are also worth mentioning. *Note, I do not use the term "f@gh@g" 1. I'm no common f@g, I'm a Queen. and 2. My galpals aren't hags, they're princesses (well, one's a lady-in-waiting but that's another story).

 

Don't get me wrong, I'd take fashion advice from a gay guy, I'm just saying--I know straight guys and their attitude is basically that shows like Queer Eye will make them look too "gay" (they probably start thinking about all of the accessories). Of course everyone should care about aesthetics and the way they present themselves. I think the show could be a huge success if it 1), ensures straight guys that they can still be masculine and have a great sense of style and 2), Don't suggest that fashion is such a "gay" thing and will cause them to lose their identity as a straight man. The name "queer eye" itself sort of suggests that. Just my two pennies!

 

thats part of the Problem David.  So many guys are condition to respond just the way you did.

 

I don't want to make this a "queerification" type show but a broad knowledge type show that all ages, races, sexualities and genders can relate too.

David, what you're suggesting is that "my people" lose our collective mystique when it comes to our (well, MOST of our) instinctual fashion sense. I simply cannot advocate anything that would dilute our brand by suggesting "anyone can do it!". ;-)

David, what you're suggesting is that "my people" lose our collective mystique when it comes to our (well, MOST of our) instinctual fashion sense. I simply cannot advocate anything that would dilute our brand by suggesting "anyone can do it!". ;-)

 

Amen brotha MayDay.  Amen!

David, what you're suggesting is that "my people" lose our collective mystique when it comes to our (well, MOST of our) instinctual fashion sense. I simply cannot advocate anything that would dilute our brand by suggesting "anyone can do it!". ;-)

 

Sounds regressive to me.

 

The problem is the guys get distracted long before the female gives one bit of advice. Pigs. ;-) Seriously David - who do you think women go to when it comes to gossiping about you guys? It's either other women or "my people" - and smart hetero guys know that any Queen worth mentioning has a Princess* or two who are also worth mentioning. *Note, I do not use the term "f@gh@g" 1. I'm no common f@g, I'm a Queen. and 2. My galpals aren't hags, they're princesses (well, one's a lady-in-waiting but that's another story).

 

Don't get me wrong, I'd take fashion advice from a gay guy, I'm just saying--I know straight guys and their attitude is basically that shows like Queer Eye will make them look too "gay" (they probably start thinking about all of the accessories). Of course everyone should care about aesthetics and the way they present themselves. I think the show could be a huge success if it 1), ensures straight guys that they can still be masculine and have a great sense of style and 2), Don't suggest that fashion is such a "gay" thing and will cause them to lose their identity as a straight man. The name "queer eye" itself sort of suggests that. Just my two pennies!

 

I don't want to make this a "queerification" type show but a broad knowledge type show that all ages, races, sexualities and genders can relate too.

 

I think that would be really successful, as opposed to the "5 queer eyes coming to the rescue" method. Promoting fashion in a way that everyone can relate to; tap into everyone's need for confidence and success--whether it's to look more appealing to potential mates, be taken more seriously in the business world, bring out their good qualities etc.

 

 

 

"Sounds regressive to me."

 

That's because you aren't one of the "chosen ones" - we can't all be so blessed ;-)

Elitism!!!!!!!1 Like the Fashion Mafia in daap (they really call themselves that). They travel in huge packs.

Elitism!!!!!!!1 Like the Fashion Mafia in daap (they really call themselves that). They travel in huge packs.

 

Anyone who has to "label" themselves a fashionista, isn't!  Your labels should do all the talking!

Trust me, they live up to the reputation. Seeing them walk through d.a.a.p is like watching a runway show. Im sure Atlas and Randy can verify this lol Not that i'm complaining, most of those girls look amazing.