WTF?!?!?!  I know that I am overly positive at times, and often give off a naive sense of hope...but damn is that so wrong.  Cincinnatians are so damn negative/pessimistic all the freakin' time.

 

I was off of UO for the past couple of days and come back to negative comments in virtually every damn thread that was unread for me.  I mean really...WTF??!?!  This kind of negativity/pessimism has got to stop.

i agree.  while i am not as positive as you, I often feel like a cheerleader for this city to everyone.  Its really tiring and more and more, I let things go by, etc. But don't worry, I too am spreading the love and try to paint a positive picture anytime I can. 

Yes. You are. And it's only a Cincy thing.

I must have been absent when they handed out pom poms and glittery t shirts.

Seriously, you're talking about something as complex as a city. You can't expect people to agree with every decision that is made.

Damn, am I the only consistently positive person in Northern Kentucky? Actually, no.

 

Same logic applies. You just disagree with those who may voice opposition to some of the projects in Cincinnati, or how something is run and/or managed. I know I've been hit on the end of the festive pole for being critical of the CHURC (or whatever that is) mess that has left numerous blocks vacant, or for The Banks' numerous delays.

 

But yet, whenever I discuss something that is positive about NKY, I get a beat down from you Randy. It doesn't matter if it regards Oviation or the Ascent or any project, you feel as if it is stealing from Cinci's limelight or somehow stealing away developments from Cinci.

 

I don't know what kind of answer you were expecting out of this thread. It's good that you are staying positive about everything Cinci, but you can't expect everyone to be as uplifting or to not be offended when you bash NKY at every chance you get.

Damn, am I the only consistently positive person in Northern Kentucky? Actually, no.

 

Same logic applies. You just disagree with those who may voice opposition to some of the projects in Cincinnati, or how something is run and/or managed. I know I've been hit on the end of the festive pole for being critical of the CHURC (or whatever that is) mess that has left numerous blocks vacant, or for The Banks' numerous delays.

 

But yet, whenever I discuss something that is positive about NKY, I get a beat down from you Randy. It doesn't matter if it regards Oviation or the Ascent or any project, you feel as if it is stealing from Cinci's limelight or somehow stealing away developments from Cinci.

 

I don't know what kind of answer you were expecting out of this thread. It's good that you are staying positive about everything Cinci, but you can't expect everyone to be as uplifting or to not be offended when you bash NKY at every chance you get.

 

Completely justified.

 

Also, don't expect everyone to be positive, cheery, and "Cincy yay!"  That's YOUR job, not theirs.  And I generally find the Cincinnatians on this board a bit neutral (some negative; mostly positive) so I don't know what you're talking about. 

I also wanna say there's a difference between disagreeing with council members, the outcome of projects, or anything else and being pessimistic about the city in general. It's like saying you must be unpatriotic because you disagree with the war in Iraq. Everyone here wants the best for Cincy regardless of their level of optimism.

I agree. Not too mention, being too opimistic could be a bad thing. If I looked at the paint on my wall and it was faded or chipped and I said "Hell, that wall looks great! I don't think I'll ever need to touch it up!", then how would it ever look better?

 

You need negativity in life. I'm not saying a lot...but just a enough to make people take some action.

You want to talk about frustration? Try being an Admin for a week!

LOL!

For postive, or maybe scrappy, one should check out the Youngstown bloggers. 

 

Of all the places in the state one would excpect a real negativity and nihilsm, but that particular online community is more fiesty and postivie than one would expect. 

 

(check out some of the blogroll at I Will Shout Youngstown, particurlary Defend Youngsown).

 

But yet, whenever I discuss something that is positive about NKY, I get a beat down from you Randy. It doesn't matter if it regards Oviation or the Ascent or any project, you feel as if it is stealing from Cinci's limelight or somehow stealing away developments from Cinci.

 

Newport has gotten very good at business poaching...to say otherwise is simply humerous.

 

I don't know what kind of answer you were expecting out of this thread. It's good that you are staying positive about everything Cinci, but you can't expect everyone to be as uplifting or to not be offended when you bash NKY at every chance you get.

 

This is not true...I don't have a fundamental problem with Nky.  I just want them to go about business is a fair way.  Nky is virtually an extension of Downtown to the South...however Nky communities have looked to boost themselves up, over the years, at the expense of their Cincinnati counterparts.  I would love for them all to work together, but that seems unlikely at best.

 

I think that Covington is a great area and has some fantastic stuff going on there...Newport has a dash of that, but not much.  As much as we talk about how unified Nky/Cincy are - they are still separate states and separate municipalities.  If I'm going to spend my hard-earned money somewhere I choose Cincinnati and Ohio over Nky and Kentucky...plain and simple - that's where I'm from and that is where my vested interest is.  I don't see a problem with that.  If Covington, Newport, Dayton, Bellevue, and Cincinnati would like to get together and form a unified development fund/agreement then great...but until them I'll be pissy every time a place like Newport steals a business like Hofbrauhaus/Newport Aquarium/USS Cincinnati Museum right out from underneath Cincinnati.  And lets just be honest...Ovation is ugly and I would not wish something like that hot mess on my worst enemy.

Why do I have the urge to channel Simon Cowell?

I agree. Not too mention, being too opimistic could be a bad thing. If I looked at the paint on my wall and it was faded or chipped and I said "Hell, that wall looks great! I don't think I'll ever need to touch it up!", then how would it ever look better?

 

You need negativity in life. I'm not saying a lot...but just a enough to make people take some action.

 

I agree with you, but often times perception is what dominates our cities.  I know when I'm being overly optimistic and I know inside what it is I should expect.  But that is my point...there are more than enough people in Cincy that are unnecessarily pessimistic and I just think it should be balanced out a bit.

 

I just don't understand why something as little as the Freedom Center land issue or whatever it may be turns what is normally reasonable thinking people (and more often than not positive) into the beast that dominates Cincinnati - Mr. Negativity.  If people are going to lead the charge to change this mindset it should start with those of us most involved.

Drumroll please!  I have to agree with Seicer.  Everytime Northern Kentucky does something, Randy acts like they should have made sure it was ok with Cincinnati.

 

When I say that Cincinnati can't get anything accomplished, I'm told that I'm being negative!  NK has been successful because they are getting it done.  The City of Cincinnati just talks.  And its not all the county (Republicans) fault.  The council over the past 20 years has been worthless.  They were talking about an aquarium 25 years ago.  Where is it?

 

Look how long the bank goes on.  Now I'll admit, that has been a joint screwup, but it still isn't getting done.  Now the $100million trolley is going to save everything!  Hey, that one guy posted that he has 20 friends who will move from Milwaukee if we have a trolley!!!!

 

 

 

but until them I'll be pissy every time a place like Newport steals a business like Hofbrauhaus/Newport Aquarium/USS Cincinnati Museum right out from underneath Cincinnati.

 

How did they steal business from underneath us?

but until them I'll be pissy every time a place like Newport steals a business like Hofbrauhaus/Newport Aquarium/USS Cincinnati Museum right out from underneath Cincinnati.

 

How did they steal business from underneath us?

 

Hofbrauhaus was ready to sign on the dotted line for a location near PBS, but as the talks moved forward people in Newport offered up a ready-to-go location and poached the business away from Cincy.  USS Cincinnati Museum was being pursued by Cincinnati officials, but for a variety of reasons (some related to Nky - some not) was not able to put the submarine on the Cincinnati side of the river.  Well what do you know...Newport comes in and says, well its fine for our side.  The Newport Aquarium was also originally planned for the Cincinnati side of the river, but things changed on that as well.

Drumroll please!  I have to agree with Seicer.  Everytime Northern Kentucky does something, Randy acts like they should have made sure it was ok with Cincinnati.

 

I think I'm being unfairly generalized here...but can I really blame you DanB?  I do remember being one of the people who have said that they like The Ascent...I also like Mainstrasse and Covington's historic neighborhoods.

 

I just don't understand how/why people stand for business poaching which is essentially what Newport has thrived on over the years.  There are growing regions in this country that do without this nonsense.  I feel that the Cincinnati region should attempt the same thing.  I don't solely accuse Nky (mainly Newport) for this...I am consistently lambasting Clermont County for the same crap.

 

These kinds of efforts are a waste of limited resources...we should be trying to attract new businesses/people to this region instead of just shuffling them around within our existing one.

 

Look how long the bank goes on.  Now I'll admit, that has been a joint screwup, but it still isn't getting done.  Now the $100million trolley is going to save everything!  Hey, that one guy posted that he has 20 friends who will move from Milwaukee if we have a trolley!!!!

 

You're a clown.

but until them I'll be pissy every time a place like Newport steals a business like Hofbrauhaus/Newport Aquarium/USS Cincinnati Museum right out from underneath Cincinnati.

 

How did they steal business from underneath us?

 

Hofbrauhaus was ready to sign on the dotted line for a location near PBS, but as the talks moved forward people in Newport offered up a ready-to-go location and poached the business away from Cincy.  USS Cincinnati Museum was being pursued by Cincinnati officials, but for a variety of reasons (some related to Nky - some not) was not able to put the submarine on the Cincinnati side of the river.  Well what do you know...Newport comes in and says, well its fine for our side.  The Newport Aquarium was also originally planned for the Cincinnati side of the river, but things changed on that as well.

 

Oh, so they were more competative. Got it. This should serve as a kick in the @ss for city officials, if you ask me. I see nothing wrong with competition. It makes everyone have to work harder.

You're a clown.

 

And you are an insulting "young man" from the suburbs who thinks he knows everything, and who has only lived within city limits while attending college.

^^The problem is that you get into bidding wars over the same thing...and eventually squander limited resources at the local/state level.  Is it simply competitive advantage for West Chester to snatch AK Steel away from Middletown...we gain zero new jobs in this move, but allocate more tax resources to the effort.

 

Cincinnati could have gone back and offered more (if they had it) to try to keep Hofbrauhaus in Cincinnati.  It's not a matter of simply dragging feet (which that certainly played a role), but rather it is much more than that.  I just would like these hotspot communities in Nky to attract new jobs and new people to the region.

And you are an insulting "young man" from the suburbs who thinks he knows everything, and who has only lived within city limits while attending college.

 

You know very little about me...and your comment exhibits just that.  I don't have to know you to know that you make absurd/obnoxious comments that are meant to get a rise out of people.

Randy, It would shut down the sight if I tried to list all of your absurd comments, starting with Cleveland not deserving a tall ships festival, to Delhi being better off if it were annexed by Cincinnati; to what you just said about competition.

 

And if a perfect stranger can get a rise out of you on a website, knowing that I cannot ever have an impact on anything you do, what does that really say about you?  Don't forget, there is an ignore feature for those of you who cannot skip over a post from someone whose opinion you don't respect.  It couldn't have been that long ago that your mother last told you about sticks and stones! 

Randy, It would shut down the sight if I tried to list all of your absurd comments, starting with Cleveland not deserving a tall ships festival, to Delhi being better off if it were annexed by Cincinnati; to what you just said about competition.

 

Aside from the Cleveland thing - my comments have a foundation to them...I think that regional cooperation and streamlining makes for more efficient and cost effective government (see Indy, Louisville, Lexington, and to a lesser extent Cbus).  I also think that limited government resources would be better served attracting news jobs/people to the region instead of shuffling them around.  I'm sorry, but I don't see what's so absurd about those kinds of statements.

 

And if a perfect stranger can get a rise out of you on a website, knowing that I cannot ever have an impact on anything you do, what does that really say about you?

 

If you don't want to admit that what you do is meant to be sensational then fine...but you can't simply take the high road on this one as you are equally (if not more) entranced into what has become a very lovely relationship between you and I.

Randy, you need to take a breather. You are only adding fuel to the fire that you started.

 

Oviation, if it makes it out of the preliminary planning stages, is a huge boon to northern Kentucky. Just because you disagree with the project's scope and/or design, doesn't mean that every other person does. It replaces vast parking lots and will only add density to northern Kentucky. The Ascent adds height to the skyline and has distinctive architecture -- it actually stands out from the other buildings along the northern Kentucky shore. You have also complained regarding all of the other development projects -- ranging from those being built in Dayton to numerous smaller projects, citing that they are "stealing" the limelight/businesses/residents/etc. from Cincinnati.

 

Yet you have showed no proof of this.

 

Hofbrauhaus was ready to sign on the dotted line for a location near PBS, but as the talks moved forward people in Newport offered up a ready-to-go location and poached the business away from Cincy.  USS Cincinnati Museum was being pursued by Cincinnati officials, but for a variety of reasons (some related to Nky - some not) was not able to put the submarine on the Cincinnati side of the river.  Well what do you know...Newport comes in and says, well its fine for our side.  The Newport Aquarium was also originally planned for the Cincinnati side of the river, but things changed on that as well.

 

You have any proof of this? Or is this a mere generalization? Competition fosters growth and makes cities more competitive. As I stated in another post, cities should compete and cooperate. I posted an article citing general cooperation amongst northern Kentucky cities -- where one city would focus more on residential projects, while another would focus on commercial/office space, and another on civic, and etc. But these are within the same _state_. Cooperating with Cincinnati, a far larger city, is much more difficult, if not impossible.

 

You have clear bias against Northern Kentucky. And this only adds to that.

 

Now can we lock this useless thread?

Lock this thread?  Are you mad?  This is an Admin/Mods' dream!

 

*sits back and eats popcorn*

^ I remember this strip when it first came out :) I <3 Dilbert!

Yes, I admit that I have fun on here trying to get a rise out of you guys!  I love being sarcastic.  I've been very successful in dealing with people in the business world acting this way.  Maybe the problem here is the age difference, I don't know.  I try to tell you guys something about what it was like in Cincinnati 30 years ago without acting like it was "the good old days", and you don't want to hear it.  All you could say was that everything done then was stupid!  Well, someone at the time thought it was a good idea, and 30 years from now someone will have new ideas and they will laugh at Fountain Square, the Banks, the stadia, and the trolley.

 

  I've admitted it in the past, and i've complimented you a number of times when you say something sharp.  I'd love to have an intelligent conversation, but everything I say as a counterpoint gets called ignorant.  Anybody who doesn't agree with the poster here is called an idiot.  Look what you said about WLW.  Its entertainment!!  It will have no effect on anyone or anything.  Its like me picking on you.

 

I have to laugh tho that I have such an effect on you guys.  I can't believe some people are so sensitive and weak that they would put me on ignore for saying the word "trolley".  Like whatever I call it will have any bearing on its success!!!!

 

Now, it would be good if we could get along without insulting each other.  I'll try to not make things sound personal, but please, if we become civil, promise me you won't have the same kind of dreams you have of Obama Hussein or whatever his name is!  :wink2:

While I'm not always glowing with positivity for Cincinnati, I still love the place and still think it's a great place to live.  That said, I have major concerns about the city such as its seeming inability to get big municipal projects done.  Fountain Square was proposed, designed and implemented, and was a very good thing to see that the city could move quickly and make change in the city.  But for every project like Fountain Square there is a Banks, Calhoun Street, Riverfront Park, transportation issue, etc.  I sometimes have concerns that this city doesn't move fast enough and that it is stagnant, especially compared to the only other cities I have lived in for any length of time, LA and DC.

 

While I love the city and really wish it success, I have some issues with it, and have no problem voicing them in this forum.  If that makes me come across as being negative, so be it; I call it a symptom of caring about the place.

Yes, I admit that I have fun on here trying to get a rise out of you guys!  I love being sarcastic.  I've been very successful in dealing with people in the business world acting this way.  Maybe the problem here is the age difference, I don't know.

 

I might chalk it up to being internet conversation...it is much harder to read sarcasm (especially from someone you don't know) over the internet.  If we were sitting down for a nice meal and talking face to face...I'm sure your sarcasm would be much easier to read.

 

The bottom line (for me at least) is that you should at least get to know people or at least let them get to know the genuine you before you start mixing things up and using sarcasm so prominently.

 

Randy, you need to take a breather. You are only adding fuel to the fire that you started.

 

Uh...I started the thread to talk about the negativity that is so prevalent in Cincinnati.  You were the one who started this anti-KY shenanigans.

 

Oviation, if it makes it out of the preliminary planning stages, is a huge boon to northern Kentucky. Just because you disagree with the project's scope and/or design, doesn't mean that every other person does. It replaces vast parking lots and will only add density to northern Kentucky.

 

That's why it is just my opinion...if you like the design and/or scope then fine.  I don't really like the design AT ALL or the way in which it relates to the surrounding built environment.  Once again, that's just me talking...I'm certainly not the authority on everything; if my words carry that much weight then I have clearly miscalculated my impact on this region.

 

The Ascent adds height to the skyline and has distinctive architecture -- it actually stands out from the other buildings along the northern Kentucky shore.

 

I said that I like The Ascent on more than one occasion...including one a couple posts prior to this.

 

You have also complained regarding all of the other development projects -- ranging from those being built in Dayton to numerous smaller projects, citing that they are "stealing" the limelight/businesses/residents/etc. from Cincinnati.

 

This is also a misinterpretation of what I've said.  I have no real qualms with the numerous river projects going on in Nky (I really like SouthShore for example), but when I have talked about these in a remotely negative sense is when I say that KY gets more positive press than it deserves.  Sure there is a lot of stuff going on...but as I've pointed out before - those can be matched by projects ongoing on the Cincinnati side of the river.

 

You have any proof of this? Or is this a mere generalization? Competition fosters growth and makes cities more competitive. As I stated in another post, cities should compete and cooperate. I posted an article citing general cooperation amongst northern Kentucky cities -- where one city would focus more on residential projects, while another would focus on commercial/office space, and another on civic, and etc. But these are within the same _state_. Cooperating with Cincinnati, a far larger city, is much more difficult, if not impossible.

 

I give up on this argument...clearly neither you, David, or DanB understand my position about "business poaching."  I agree that competition is good and that ist fosters growth.  But we're competing over businesses/people that are already here and wasting tax dollars to shift them around from here to there...accomplishing nothing but stuffing the pockets of these individuals.

Lock this thread?  Are you mad?  This is an Admin/Mods' dream!

 

*sits back and eats popcorn*

 

I have to agree - not that I need an excuse to enjoy a weeknight beer, but this'll do it! :drunk:

 

 

 

Lock this thread?  Are you mad?  This is an Admin/Mods' dream!

 

*sits back and eats popcorn*

 

How refreshing!!  :-D

I'm glad the seicer/DanB/UncleRando show has been entertaining for everyone.  I guess now is the time to let you all know that all of this was a joke.  DanB is actually my childhood friend, and seicer is my roommate.  :-D

I'm pretty sure that some planet or constellation is in retrograde - I sure hope so, because otherwise that means y'all have plum gone crazy.  :weird:

I'm pretty sure that some planet or constellation is in retrograde - I sure hope so, because otherwise that means y'all have plum gone crazy.  :weird:

 

I spent 9 hours in my car today driving from Cincy to Atlanta and then sitting in rush hour traffic down here with these nut jobs.  I'm a little on edge.. :bang:

^ I thought this was funny. I posted this in another thread a while back.

dont worry rando, I agree with you.  Its a fact, Cincinnati folk are more negative than is necessary.  And often, its not on issues in which they are educated on, its on issues they are completely ignorant to.  Look at DanB, hes complaining about building some trolley in OTR, etc.  Hes obviously not in the know...hes calling it a trolley for crying out loud.  He also compared racial stereotypes to me a 'me picking on you' ordeal.  lol.  People are always complaining about crime in downtown...well thats just hilarious really.  Dont worry Rando, I got your back.   

I'm glad the seicer/DanB/UncleRando show has been entertaining for everyone.  I guess now is the time to let you all know that all of this was a joke.  DanB is actually my childhood friend, and seicer is my roommate.  :-D

 

Scary thoughts!  Actually, didn't you go out with my daughter once?  The guy I told never to come back looks a lot like you! :roll:

 

I spent 9 hours in my car today driving from Cincy to Atlanta and then sitting in rush hour traffic down here with these nut jobs.  I'm a little on edge.. :bang:

 

Shouldn't you have taken some sort of public transportation?  Like a t___________ no, I'm not going to say it!

Train? Trolley? Truck? Tram? Tricycle?

 

Wow. I can't believe people get their panties in a wad over the operational definition of trolley and streetcar :P

It's not a damn Tricycle!!

:-D

 

 

 

 

 

Train? Trolley? Truck? Tram? Tricycle?

 

Thanks for playing the straight man!!!!  :wink2:

Ollie's Trolley > Cincinnati Streetcar.

Let's hop on Mr. Roger's Trolley!!!

 

This totally makes sense because I'm listening to War Pigs right now.

DanB <------ changing them. One man at a time!!!!!!

 

Seicer, you are going to get yourself ignored if you keep calling it a trolley!!!!

 

 

I want trolleys on every artery in town and  . . . and in NKY and gosh darnit I want to a ride a trolley not a dumb streetcar . . . I swear that is what is parked outside .. .  car that travels on a street . . .

 

Heavens to Betsy, other than the fact that I do get some glee from seeing Bill Butler fail, I like NKY and would rather live in Cov or Newport than Cincy if I wasn't connected to the university (or in Williamsburg, VA).

I spent 9 hours in my car today driving from Cincy to Atlanta and then sitting in rush hour traffic down here with these nut jobs.  I'm a little on edge.. :bang:

 

Shouldn't you have taken some sort of public transportation?  Like a t___________ no, I'm not going to say it!

 

Unfortunately given the current state of transit in this nation it would not have been possible.  When I went to NYC I did take Amtrak over driving, and then used Greyhound for the trip back from Buffalo.  Nice try though.

It's called sarcasm. Remember when you jumped down my throat over the exact same incident? :P

 

At any rate, taking a train/grayhound has its downside. I want to take it to NYC via the Cardinal, beginning at Maysville, and the cost is considerably cheaper than driving. But at over 14 hours on a train with a layover, versus 8-9 hours to drive, one has to wonder if they want more leisure time (via a car) or to save some money (via a train). Plus, I tend to take the backroads and see other places when I travel far, so YMMV.

I still don't understand the streetcar/trolley confusion.  If you truly feel that they are trolleys then use that term all you want...the point has always been that trolley is typically used in a derogatory fashion when talking about the transit option.  Language is a powerful tool, and regardless of what technical definitions say - language can be manipulated in many ways.

 

When most people hear the word trolley they most likely think of the images that seicer posted...hence the definitional difference between people like seicer and DanB with people like me/thomasbw/John Schneider/etc.  Those who understand the differences and learn what is actually being proposed here tend to go with the streetcar termonology over trolley.  If you understand all of this and still choose to use trolley (for whatever reason) then fine...but I don't think it is silly to hear people gripe over what they consider incorrect termology.