June 17, 20213 yr A somewhat cryptic comment Ken. Are you intimating some of the already announced plans for development around SHW may be getting started OR something new?
June 24, 20213 yr 7 hours ago, scg80 said: Wendy Park bridge. https://www.instagram.com/p/CQfHebGjvqU/?utm_medium=share_sheet Oh that’s so nice! When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
June 24, 20213 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 25, 20213 yr I was down there last night also.....The views are fantastic, and it was great to see so many people on the bridge at 10pm. And I love that it is a 15 min bike ride from the Halle Building to the Whiskey Island Still and Eatery! The entire Lake Link trail is so well lit at night!
June 25, 20213 yr BTW, that's the view you get of downtown Cleveland when you arrive on Amtrak from the west. It's pretty impressive to see those soaring towers lit up at night after zipping across a flat, darkened northern Ohio for a couple of hours. And it will look even better when a fourth biggie is added to the scene in a couple of years. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 25, 20213 yr I couldn't find this anywhere, but isn't there some danger that the Willow bridge will be removed? Wouldn't that make the new bridge inaccessible? I'm sure there must be a contingency, but everything I could find on line suggested that the future of the Willow bridge is very much in doubt.
June 29, 20213 yr Interesting. Wonder what they've got in mind? Downtown | Flats Design Review Advisory Committee FINAL DRAFT Agenda Thursday, July 01st, 2021 Final Design Development Approval: 1. Project: DF2021-015: Post NFL Draft Improvements to Event Staging Area * The improvement of existing land post NFL Draft Project Address: 101 Erieside Ave. - North of First Energy Stadium (Docks 28b, 30 & 32) Project Representative: John Hoose, City of Cleveland - Department of Port Control Committee Report: D | F Committee, Jack Bialosky (Chair) Administrator Report: Anthony Santora, Administrator D "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 29, 20213 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 1, 20213 yr Not Cleveland's waterfront, but an interesting examination of how cities can reactivate their waterfronts by removing urban highways by looking at a project in Seattle. City Beautiful: What happens after a city removes a freeway?
July 12, 20213 yr Cuyahoga County's plan to bring public access to 30 miles of lakefront moves forward https://spectrumnews1.com/oh/cleveland/news/2021/07/09/cuyahoga-county-s-lakefront-public-access-plan "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 12, 20213 yr I like this idea, particularly the trail component! but what will the county do when inevitably one stubborn landowner refuses to take the deal? Trails aren't very useful if they aren't continuous and getting unanimous consent seems impossible. If one house in a row of ten says no to a trail than there can't be a useful trail.
July 12, 20213 yr 2 minutes ago, Ethan said: I like this idea, particularly the trail component! but what will the county do when inevitably one stubborn landowner refuses to take the deal? Trails aren't very useful if they aren't continuous and getting unanimous consent seems impossible. If one house in a row of ten says no to a trail than there can't be a useful trail. The fact that the county is approaching this as a county-wide, 32-mile program gives stronger credence to the use of eminent domain -- if necessary. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 12, 20213 yr I would like to know how the remaining beaches are going to be affected. The Euclid plan is entirely predicated on coastal armoring, which has been and continues to be a very controversial approach. It's really too bad that development was allowed so close to the shoreline...funny how these long past decisions continue to haunt us. What is shoreline armoring? "Armoring" is the practice of using physical structures to protect shorelines from coastal erosion. Shoreline armoring has both beneficial and detrimental effects. Armored shorelines can prevent sandy beaches, wetlands, and other intertidal areas from moving inland as the land erodes or sea levels rise, but they also have the potential to eliminate habitat for marine organisms and beach front for the public by restricting the natural movement of sediments. The key to shoreline stabilization, if it is required, is to use a site-specific stabilization method that balances the needs of the public and the needs of the natural system. https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/shoreline-armoring.html
July 13, 20213 yr Looks like there are jersey barriers (?) going up along the lakefront where the NFL Draft stage was. It’s all along Cleveland Cliffs side and following the line that the security fence took for the draft along the perimeter towards the stadium. My perspective made it seem like they were bigger than the trucks carrying them but I’m assuming it was just that, perspective.
July 13, 20213 yr 5 minutes ago, kevincle said: Looks like there are jersey barriers (?) going up along the lakefront where the NFL Draft stage was. It’s all along Cleveland Cliffs side and following the line that the security fence took for the draft along the perimeter towards the stadium. My perspective made it seem like they were bigger than the trucks carrying them but I’m assuming it was just that, perspective. It's part of a two year agreement for longer term use as a parking lot. It was presented at City Planning a few weeks back. I believe they asked for 4 years at first and City Planning told them no. City Planning also said that if they do end up using it for more than two years as a parking lot, it needs to be brought up to the parking lot standards set forth by the city. Edited July 13, 20213 yr by downtownjoe
July 13, 20213 yr ^ Thanks for that. I walked by early this morning and saw some workers and some yellow iron and was wondering what was going on. Apart from Browns games though, I can’t see any need whatsoever for this additional parking. My hovercraft is full of eels
July 13, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, roman totale XVII said: ^ Thanks for that. I walked by early this morning and saw some workers and some yellow iron and was wondering what was going on. Apart from Browns games though, I can’t see any need whatsoever for this additional parking. I can't see any need, period. It's bad enough we've had a parking lot on Public Square for 30 years. Now we'll have one for however long at the water's edge of our downtown lakefront. Great cities diminish the importance and presence of cars. Public Square and the lakefront are two of Cleveland's most prominent pedestals. But instead of putting great buildings or beautiful parks on them, we place our addiction there. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 13, 20213 yr The South Florida Business Journal reported today that South Florida is trying to lure Elon Musk. One project is to tunnel Brickell Ave under the Miami river (cost of $30M - 6mo-1 year completion). The other tunnel in Fort Lauderdale will cost $10M per mile. I think it would be a huge improvement to run the Shoreway along the RR tracks and remove the Main Ave Bridge and build a tunnel under the Cuyahoga River. I think it would open up a lot of opportunities for development.
July 14, 20213 yr 40 minutes ago, TR said: The South Florida Business Journal reported today that South Florida is trying to lure Elon Musk. One project is to tunnel Brickell Ave under the Miami river (cost of $30M - 6mo-1 year completion). The other tunnel in Fort Lauderdale will cost $10M per mile. I think it would be a huge improvement to run the Shoreway along the RR tracks and remove the Main Ave Bridge and build a tunnel under the Cuyahoga River. I think it would open up a lot of opportunities for development. Musk’s the Boring Company has zero capability to bore tunnels large enough for trucks or trains. It is not a serious tunnel boring company. The projects it has attempted reflect that status. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
July 14, 20213 yr 18 hours ago, KJP said: I can't see any need, period. It's bad enough we've had a parking lot on Public Square for 30 years. Now we'll have one for however long at the water's edge of our downtown lakefront. Great cities diminish the importance and presence of cars. Public Square and the lakefront are two of Cleveland's most prominent pedestals. But instead of putting great buildings or beautiful parks on them, we place our addiction there. Hear, hear @KJP So let me get this straight: The City tore down the likely redevelopable warehouses (boo) for the NFL Draft (great), and also ran off a (maybe?) bonafide development plan from D*ck Pace (meh), just to leave us with a almost-useless parking lot for the next two, or maybe four, years!?! I’m usually very against the “Woe is Cleveland” refrain, but this is really…pathetic. I truly hope there is more to this. Edited July 14, 20213 yr by brtshrcegr
July 14, 20213 yr Ontario Stone listing 5-acre parcel for development next to Wendy Park Bridge, Whiskey Island Trail https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/ontario-stone-listing-5-acre-parcel-for-development-next-to-wendy-park-bridge-whiskey-island-trail
July 14, 20213 yr I'd love to see the Metroparks buy that, though I doubt they will or can. Either way, it will be one more reason to add a pedestrian trail to the rail bridge across the mouth of the Cuyahoga.
July 14, 20213 yr I’d rather see actual development on this site. I hope someone buys it and builds on it
July 14, 20213 yr I agree, it's pretty well cutoff from the rest of Wendy Park and not big enough to be a meaningful addition to the park. I do hope that whatever development takes place includes some sort of connection across the river to the Flats West Bank Shooters area.
July 14, 20213 yr Regardless of how this patch of land is developed, I'd love to see a nice trail/boardwalk along the river along with a pedestrian crossing over the mouth of the Cuyahoga, as well as south over to the FWB. I think that would activate the whole area like little else could! And connect everything together nicely!
July 14, 20213 yr How cool would it be if the jackknife bridge at Shooters was restored as a pedestrian bridge? Also, whatever ends up happening with the Willow street lift bridge replacement is going to be extremely relevant to this proposal. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
July 14, 20213 yr I was thinking that this discussion might go better in the Flats thread? Anyway, the renderings are sexy but don't represent a real project. It is pretty isolated from a pedestrian standpoint -- moreso than Flats East Bank and that area has had a hard time attracting tenants and capital. It's also next to some unattractive land uses including the salt mines whose trucks will rumble past here, downwind of Ontario Stone's other dusty aggregate operations and across the tracks from the ore docks. But there have been some pioneering land uses in this city so anything is possible. Add in a TMUD, some new/stronger bulkheads and a new Willow Street bridge and a building of scale may be doable here. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 14, 20213 yr 43 minutes ago, inlovewithCLE said: I’d rather see actual development on this site. I hope someone buys it and builds on it 15 minutes ago, Ethan said: Regardless of how this patch of land is developed, I'd love to see a nice trail/boardwalk along the river along with a pedestrian crossing over the mouth of the Cuyahoga, as well as south over to the FWB. I think that would activate the whole area like little else could! And connect everything together nicely! Agreed on both counts. This is a cool spot for a mixed use development. It could tie nicely with the area around Shooters if they could build a bridge across the water, and it's directly across from the Flats East Bank. Edited July 14, 20213 yr by Mendo
July 14, 20213 yr Are there utilities hooked up on that spit of land? Enough to build a high-rise? If not, that added expense could make it more feasible as parkland or other passive use.
July 14, 20213 yr I love the idea of a 26 story residential tower next to the Wendy Bridge - That’s a really cool looking Tower as rendered and i happen to believe there’s an untapped market for high rise living with views of the lake, the river and downtown. Make it so!
July 14, 20213 yr This is a nice surprise this morning. I have always envisioned a tower there. Ontario Stone about to get paid. I hope a buyer comes forward. BTW Dave Barry from NEWS 5 has been doing great work the last couple of years.
July 14, 20213 yr 35 minutes ago, freethink said: This is a nice surprise this morning. I have always envisioned a tower there. Ontario Stone about to get paid. I hope a buyer comes forward. BTW Dave Barry from NEWS 5 has been doing great work the last couple of years. Easily the best real estate/development reporter on TV. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 14, 20213 yr I love how if developed, it would almost look like a triangle between the three areas of development.
July 14, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: I was thinking that this discussion might go better in the Flats thread? Anyway, the renderings are sexy but don't represent a real project. It is pretty isolated from a pedestrian standpoint -- moreso than Flats East Bank and that area has had a hard time attracting tenants and capital. It's also next to some unattractive land uses including the salt mines whose trucks will rumble past here, downwind of Ontario Stone's other dusty aggregate operations and across the tracks from the ore docks. But there have been some pioneering land uses in this city so anything is possible. Add in a TMUD, some new/stronger bulkheads and a new Willow Street bridge and a building of scale may be doable here. I suppose this can be copied into the West Bank Flats thread too.
July 21, 20213 yr ** Cleveland.com Subscriber Exclusive ** ODOT awards Cleveland $2.5 million to study Browns’ lakefront proposal; $5 million total now committed Steven Litt - Cleveland.com - Jul7 21, 2021 "...Cleveland later revised its TRAC request to $5.6 million. It also pledged to spend $2.5 million in matching money for the study, which would have brought the total to $8.1 million. The ODOT award and the city’s money now brings the project to $5 million, or $3.1 million short of the original goal. ... 'We’re really happy that we’re going to be able to start with the $5 million, and that will give us what we need to start the preliminary engineering,' he said. ... Gates said ODOT has received from Cleveland a list of potential additional funders for the lakefront study. ... 'I’m happy to hear that JobsOhio and some of the private developers who will benefit from the lakefront vision are willing to put money on the table to make this vision become a reality,' Marchbanks said. The Jackson administration and Haslam Sports Group said in May that the engineering study of the lakefront concept would take 18 months."
July 21, 20213 yr My favorite quote from Gates, "we want to ensure that the proposed actions are not creating gridlock within the City of Cleveland". Even in rush-hour, it's possible to cross, in absolute safety, Lakeside, St Clair & Superior at E9th without waiting for the WALK sign. I think we can handle it. Unless, by City of Cleveland, he's referring to City Hall! My hovercraft is full of eels
July 21, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, roman totale XVII said: My favorite quote from Gates, "we want to ensure that the proposed actions are not creating gridlock within the City of Cleveland". Even in rush-hour, it's possible to cross, in absolute safety, Lakeside, St Clair & Superior at E9th without waiting for the WALK sign. I think we can handle it. Unless, by City of Cleveland, he's referring to City Hall! So obsessed with non-existent traffic. We barely have a rush hour let alone consistent traffic. L-C bridge is down to one lane WB at the new build over there and everyone still makes the light, except now they need to do so while going the speedlimit. I digress. But can't help but lol at the thought of gridlock in Cleveland, god forbid!
July 21, 20213 yr Boy we sure love to waste millions on countless studies and consultants without ever acting or developing anything for decades
July 21, 20213 yr Stop reacting and start learning. If you don't like the process, change the federal NEPA law. Otherwise, follow the process. Any major transportation project that seeks federal funds (or any railroad related project for that matter) must first receive from the US Department of Transportation a Finding Of No Significant Impact on natural or built environments. To achieve that, the project must either be so minor and within the existing transportation right of way that it's impact is determined by federal criteria to be minor. Or, it's a major project and the least disruptive of alternatives was selected and/or new features are proposed to be built to minimize the impacts on natural or built environments that the USDOT can issue a FONSI. Only then can federal construction funds be awarded or otherwise allow a railroad project to proceed. Or you can have temper tantrum. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 22, 20213 yr also, funneling all the westbound traffic from 90 to lakewood onto the city street probably should have a traffic study
July 25, 20213 yr Taken earlier this month. I always love appreciating how modern the skyline looks from the north and that day the new lift bridge decided to make its own contribution to the skyline 😄 Edited July 25, 20213 yr by Stormtrek
August 1, 20213 yr SATURDAY, JULY 31, 2021 'Temporary', huge parking lot planned on downtown lakefront A parking lot with nearly 2,000 parking spaces is proposed to be built on 18 acres of downtown lakefront land, with parking spaces being placed right up next to the water's edge of Lake Erie. That's according to a building permit application submitted to the city this past week on behalf of the Greater Cleveland Sports Commission. The application, drafted by Osborn Engineering, proposes to add 1,175 parking spaces to the 775 spaces that are already existing along and immediately north of Erieside Avenue and First Energy Stadium, home of the Cleveland Browns. The total number of parking spaces would be 1,950 if the application is approved by the city's Building Department. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2021/07/temporary-huge-parking-lot-planned-on.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 1, 20213 yr But of course... there's some sort of weird conservation of surface parking space natural law in effect in downtown Cleveland. Its apparently immutable. 🤨 Edited August 1, 20213 yr by DO_Summers Spelling
August 1, 20213 yr Ah, reminds me of the temporary casino we were assured over and over and over and over.
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