December 6, 20222 yr 7 hours ago, westerninterloper said: This is slowly happening in Toledo too. Toledo Metroparks has been investing heavily in the city the last five years, and there are discussions about a handover of the couple of major Toledo parks. They need major investment. Are the Toledo Metroparks employees non-union like ours here in Cuyahoga County? This seems to mean a difference in a huge quality gap in terms of maintenance.
December 7, 20222 yr 10 hours ago, Cleburger said: Are the Toledo Metroparks employees non-union like ours here in Cuyahoga County? This seems to mean a difference in a huge quality gap in terms of maintenance. The Metroparks employees are represented by AFSCME. I don't know if the city parks employees are - can't find anything online.
December 13, 20222 yr Cleveland North Coast Connector Concepts Survey is open until 12/31/2022 https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/ConnectorSurvey
December 13, 20222 yr Just did survey. Interesting to note that the boulevard picture looks different from the the listening session I went to. I am pretty sure they have added a bridge over E18.
December 15, 20222 yr On 12/13/2022 at 12:49 PM, Ethan said: Just did survey. Interesting to note that the boulevard picture looks different from the the listening session I went to. I am pretty sure they have added a bridge over E18. Love the E 18th connection to the boulevard.
December 19, 20222 yr On 12/6/2022 at 9:33 AM, Cleburger said: Are the Toledo Metroparks employees non-union like ours here in Cuyahoga County? This seems to mean a difference in a huge quality gap in terms of maintenance. it appears they are union per this old article — afscme local 706: https://www.toledoblade.com/local/2009/02/07/Metroparks-union-workers-get-2-1-raises-in-3-year-pact/stories/200902070037
January 20, 20232 yr I'm originally from Cleveland but currently living in Tampa, Florida. It's crazy how much development and construction that is going on down here. Cleveland city planners need to travel outside of Ohio more because it seems like they are behind the times and need a refresher as to how development is being done around waterfronts in major cities. Water Street in DT Tampa is a great example as well as this: https://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/news/2023/01/19/ybor-harbor-darryl-shaw-plans-unveiled.html
January 20, 20232 yr Not a good comparison. Growing cities tend to have more resources for providing new amenities than stagnant or shrinking cities. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 20, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, KJP said: Not a good comparison. Growing cities tend to have more resources for providing new amenities than stagnant or shrinking cities. Also, the waterfront in Tampa is a year round thing. Here, not so much, especially east of downtown.
January 20, 20232 yr 12 minutes ago, E Rocc said: Also, the waterfront in Tampa is a year round thing. Here, not so much, especially east of downtown. 6 minutes ago, cadmen said: The biggest thing separating us from them is the weather. True, yet other northern cities with similar weather have nicer waterfronts than Cleveland.
January 20, 20232 yr Of course if we wanted to we could create a much better waterfront and perhaps we will someday. But even if we decided to do that there is a big difference between a year round waterfront and a seasonal one. Its more difficult to entice development when you are limited to a few months a year. Imagine our lake and riverfront really open year round. If you are a businessman or a developer thinking about opening something and you know you can count on 12 months of business vs. 5 or 6 that difference might be the dealbreaker. That's just reality.
January 20, 20232 yr https://www.loveexploring.com/galleries/amp/93399/americas-best-waterfront-cities Cleveland actually makes the list- as the article acknowledges improvements at Edgewater and bike trails and connectivity improving. Could a lakefront promenade elevate our waterfront to really become a major attraction? Edited January 20, 20232 yr by CleveFan
January 20, 20232 yr 21 minutes ago, CleveFan said: https://www.loveexploring.com/galleries/amp/93399/americas-best-waterfront-cities Cleveland actually makes the list- as the article acknowledges improvements at Edgewater and bike trails and connectivity improving. Could a lakefront promenade elevate our waterfront to really become a major attraction? Literally every city on a body of water. Cincinnati and Buffalo are on the list as well?? Yeah, no.
January 20, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, jbee1982 said: Literally every city on a body of water. Cincinnati and Buffalo are on the list as well?? Yeah, no. I don't see San Diego or Baltimore on the list. Edited January 20, 20232 yr by LibertyBlvd
January 20, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said: I don't see San Diego or Baltimore on the list. It's probably because they don't feel like they need to be on the list. Cities can pay money to be on lists. It happens all the time...the buying of awards and accolades. It's nothing but a marketing scheme.
January 20, 20232 yr Yeah why doesn’t somebody just start building some stuff! The issues are not complex or tied to the disintegration of the local economy!
January 20, 20232 yr 28 minutes ago, bumsquare said: Yeah why doesn’t somebody just start building some stuff! The issues are not complex or tied to the disintegration of the local economy! And also it's a shame no one in Cleveland ever travels or has seen other cities before, in particular planners. If only they knew as much about development/economies as someone bold and out-there enough to move from Ohio to Florida. What a unique lifepath offering tons of insight into how those things really work. Edited January 20, 20232 yr by GrassIsGreener added "how"
January 20, 20232 yr The Lakefront isn't as complicated as we've made it. It's actually simple: give some reason for people to go there and build off of that. Ingenuity Festival programmed live music and art in the warehouses there and it was amazing. Anyone who experienced it could easily imagine this growing into an ongoing thing attracting more and more people, getting more investment and making continued improvements along the way. But no, there was no traction and no leadership to run with that baton. Of course there was a bigger and better and sexier plan....allegedly. They tore down those warehouses and we continue to wait on some magical billionaire to devise some great plan.
January 21, 20232 yr A preliminary peek at the survey results of the Lakefront Connector survey… I wish the Shoreway removal option was getting more love, but at least it’s obvious that people want the land bridge. The connector study is supposed to wrap up this spring with a final recommendation by this fall. Info found here from the City’s presentation to NOACA: https://www.noaca.org/home/showpublisheddocument/29234 Edited January 21, 20232 yr by acd
January 21, 20232 yr A preliminary peek at the survey results of the Lakefront Connector survey… I wish the Shoreway removal option was getting more love, but at least it’s obvious that people want the land bridge. The connector study is supposed to wrap up this spring with a final recommendation by this fall. Info found here from the City’s presentation to NOACA: https://www.noaca.org/home/showpublisheddocument/29234 13% wanting to maintain the status quo is crazySent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
January 21, 20232 yr 17 hours ago, surfohio said: The Lakefront isn't as complicated as we've made it. It's actually simple: give some reason for people to go there and build off of that. Ingenuity Festival programmed live music and art in the warehouses there and it was amazing. Anyone who experienced it could easily imagine this growing into an ongoing thing attracting more and more people, getting more investment and making continued improvements along the way. But no, there was no traction and no leadership to run with that baton. Of course there was a bigger and better and sexier plan....allegedly. They tore down those warehouses and we continue to wait on some magical billionaire to devise some great plan. An ongoing festival forever is the uncomplicated answer to developing the lakefront?
January 21, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, bumsquare said: An ongoing festival forever is the uncomplicated answer to developing the lakefront? No. Betting on the regions outsized cultural talents is the spark to developing the lakefront.
January 21, 20232 yr 16 hours ago, Whipjacka said: I felt the survey didn't represent all potential options It was also self-selecting.
February 10, 20232 yr With the lakefront thread locked, this is probably the best place for this. https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/cleveland-mobile-home-park-closure-will-make-way-lakefront-park-expansion "The Euclid Beach Mobile Home Community on Cleveland's East Side is far too costly to maintain and should be closed to make way for a unified Euclid Creek Reservation — a lakefront green space that will rival Edgewater Park in size. That's the conclusion of the Western Reserve Land Conservancy, which purchased the 28.5-acre mobile home park in December 2021 to prevent a private developer from swooping in. Representatives from the land conservancy and OHM Advisors, a planning firm, presented their findings at a public meeting late Thursday, Feb. 9, at the Collinwood Recreation Center. The decision provides clarity to park residents, who have been living in limbo for more than a year. It also enables neighboring landowners, including the Cleveland Metroparks and the Cleveland Public Library, to start planning for the future of their properties." I'm glad to see this continue to move forward. When complete this will be a valuable asset.
February 10, 20232 yr 8 hours ago, Ethan said: With the lakefront thread locked, this is probably the best place for this. https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/cleveland-mobile-home-park-closure-will-make-way-lakefront-park-expansion "The Euclid Beach Mobile Home Community on Cleveland's East Side is far too costly to maintain and should be closed to make way for a unified Euclid Creek Reservation — a lakefront green space that will rival Edgewater Park in size. That's the conclusion of the Western Reserve Land Conservancy, which purchased the 28.5-acre mobile home park in December 2021 to prevent a private developer from swooping in. Representatives from the land conservancy and OHM Advisors, a planning firm, presented their findings at a public meeting late Thursday, Feb. 9, at the Collinwood Recreation Center. The decision provides clarity to park residents, who have been living in limbo for more than a year. It also enables neighboring landowners, including the Cleveland Metroparks and the Cleveland Public Library, to start planning for the future of their properties." I'm glad to see this continue to move forward. When complete this will be a valuable asset. This was a foregone conclusion. They never had the slightest interest of doing anything else.
February 10, 20232 yr Is that the same group that "saved" Acacia? At least this greenspace has some major park potential.
February 10, 20232 yr So I’m wondering - with the news that The Haslams want to buy 25% of the Milwaukee Bucks - what does that tell us about their lakefront hopes/dreams/plans for Cleveland and/or their plans for a new Cleveland football stadium?
February 11, 20232 yr 36 minutes ago, CleveFan said: So I’m wondering - with the news that The Haslams want to buy 25% of the Milwaukee Bucks - what does that tell us about their lakefront hopes/dreams/plans for Cleveland and/or their plans for a new Cleveland football stadium? Investing in sports teams provides a much better ROI to the investor than…lakefront development plans. Or new stadiums. So I don’t think that is the motivation for their plans in a Cleveland vis-a-vis the lakefront. I would imagine these are completely different purposes and one isn’t being done at the expense of the other.
February 11, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, CleveFan said: So I’m wondering - with the news that The Haslams want to buy 25% of the Milwaukee Bucks - what does that tell us about their lakefront hopes/dreams/plans for Cleveland and/or their plans for a new Cleveland football stadium? Nothing "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 12, 20232 yr In a perfect world the Haslams would be using that money to help with the financials of a new Browns stadium. Instead (because it makes more financial sense for them) us locals will foot more of the bill for that stadium. Yeah it's not a perfect world. And that's how the rich get richer.
February 12, 20232 yr Or, they think they can use real estate development to help finance the cost of a new stadium. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 12, 20232 yr That sounds like the best case win-win scenario but also like a complicated dance to choreograph - financing and logistical preparation for a new stadium while the land with the existing one is sold and transformed.
February 12, 20232 yr I can't imagine Ronayne's predecessor saying this "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 15, 20232 yr litt really running PR for the conservatory on this Euclid Beach Park mobile home issue. odd position for a guy that talks about the evils of displacement in every other article he writes. https://www.cleveland.com/news/2023/02/western-reserve-land-conservancy-showing-guts-in-leading-community-effort-to-turn-mobile-home-park-into-lakefront-park.html Edited February 15, 20232 yr by Whipjacka
February 15, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, Whipjacka said: litt really running PR for the conservatory on this Euclid Beach Park mobile home issue. odd position for a guy that talks about the evils of displacement in every other article he writes. https://www.cleveland.com/news/2023/02/western-reserve-land-conservancy-showing-guts-in-leading-community-effort-to-turn-mobile-home-park-into-lakefront-park.html Doesn’t read like PR to me. I agree with his assessment.
February 27, 20232 yr Sources: Browns want new stadium; Mayor wants community input By Ken Prendergast / February 27, 2023 According to several sources, the Cleveland Browns and its majority owner, the Haslam Sports Group, want to move faster than City Hall on what happens before the team’s lease at FirstEnergy Stadium expires at the end of 2028. That reportedly includes a new football/multi-purpose stadium and supportive development in downtown Cleveland. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/02/27/sources-browns-want-new-stadium-mayor-wants-community-input/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 27, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, LlamaLawyer said: Hey! It’s…..basically good news! Yeah, I’m failing to see what all the worry was about this morning. Maybe I’m not reading between the lines?
February 27, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, Henke said: Yeah, I’m failing to see what all the worry was about this morning. Maybe I’m not reading between the lines? I think that was someone else riding Ken’s tweet and using it to collect views/attention. I didn’t read anything in his actual Tweets that implied it was negative, although that’s what I inferred based on everything else that was on Twitter.
February 27, 20232 yr Its nowhere near as bad as billed IMO. Feels like theres some bureaucracy sure but also sounds like just sifting through the process of trying to work out a plan which wasn't going to happen overnight.
February 28, 20232 yr 15 minutes ago, snakebite said: Its nowhere near as bad as billed IMO. Feels like theres some bureaucracy sure but also sounds like just sifting through the process of trying to work out a plan which wasn't going to happen overnight. Seems like everyone is doing the right thing. Haslam wants a new stadium DOWNTOWN asap. Bibb wants to make sure the city doesn’t get screwed over too much. There’s still a lot that can go wrong, but this is pretty appropriate positioning for a negotiation.
February 28, 20232 yr Also, one question I have that wasn’t necessarily addressed in the article (or perhaps I overlooked it), If the Browns decide to build a new stadium near the area that KJP discussed, what does that mean for the lakefront development? Would Haslam/the city still go through with it?
February 28, 20232 yr I think it’s great news. It’s the worst kept secret in the world that the Haslams want a new stadium - the timetable just got accelerated. This is their “move”, probably in their best hopes to align with a Super Bowl contender with the career of Deshaun Watson as the lynch pin. IMO, the area @KJP referenced in his article - between East 13th and East 17th is the perfect choice for the future of the city. 1) Energize and connect to downtown 2) supercharge development in that district on the edge of downtown 3) Open the lakefront and 20 new acres for development, lifestyle and possible new attractions And to those that dismiss the Browns as unnecessary to the future of the city - it’s a selfish perspective, to my thinking. Economics are what they are in 2023. But football is The American pastime and I want the new and next generations of Clevelanders to have a hometown team. there were once some great times being a Browns fan and that excitement can return - fans here have been so loyal and deserve a team in a competitive facility. . Granted, The team has been abysmal for years - but a competitive team might be finally at hand - I hope. It’s time to join the 21st century and make this a year round facility that hosts many events - not 10 or 11 games. Think of what this town could be like in a decade with a modern stadium with easy access to downtown businesses - and a beautiful lakefront open for developing.
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