34 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said:

Perhaps it could be the site of a new stadium?

Not a bad thought. Could be a catalyst to extent the waterfront line to the east while spurring development in a neglected part of town. 

I'm hoping whatever happens the Green Ribbon Coalition's proposal is reconsidered. This land becomes much more valuable if it's on the other side of the highway. As is, it's stuck between railroad tracks and highway. Not great for residential or mixed use development. (Though not impossible, see duck Island). 

 

Personally I'd love to see the Metroparks buy this up, it has potential to be much nicer than Edgewater, which was a game changer for the area (assuming the highway is moved). The stadium idea is interesting as well. I'd be interested in seeing that laid out as well. If moving the highway is totally out of the cards, putting a stadium here could make sense. 

 

On 7/13/2023 at 9:54 AM, Ethan said:

Is there any remaining momentum, any at all, for the Green Ribbon Coalition's proposal? 

 

https://www.greenribbonlakefront.org/projects/gordonpark/

 

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If this was ever done this Park would be larger than edgewater without even considering the nature preserve.

 

19 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said:

Perhaps it could be the site of a new stadium?

Funny I was thinking the same thing when I posted this rendering with that same thought about 3 years ago. I was thinking about a site for the stadium outside of downtown but still within sight of it and near the lake.  The site is large enough for a ballpark type village and could be reached by an expansion of the wfl.

 

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This was a tough proposal from today the sailor moment came back and they for some reason want to move it to the north west corner and build a wall

Luckily the commission felt the same and mentioned many concerns, the group presenting then flipped it on them a mentioned how Cleveland is even lucky to have this come here

Also presented was the marginal connector or whatever they’re calling it aka a real black path running along side marginal drive also with new/more trees + lighting

And then they mentioned construction should start this year

This was a tough proposal from today the sailor moment came back and they for some reason want to move it to the north west corner and build a wall

Luckily the commission felt the same and mentioned many concerns, the group presenting then flipped it on them a mentioned how Cleveland is even lucky to have this come here

So are they now building the wall or was it scrapped?

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This looks like a shared sidewalk/bike path similar to what they put by 105th and Euclid.

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2 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said:

So are they now building the wall or was it scrapped?

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This looks depressing and sterile. 

3 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said:

So are they now building the wall or was it scrapped?

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The monument people seemed fairly insulted, but the commission tabled it. The commission thought about the idea of rotating the wall so it wouldn’t block the corner of the harbor but no solid feedback was given, I’d guess they’ll talk behind close doors. 

I watched the meeting's feed and the presenters were definitely not budging on the design. The Commission was really trying very angle to say no and start over on the donor/plaque wall.   This feature definitely needs refinement but I don't think the developer's saw any problem with it. It's not eve an elegant curve . The backside of it should incorporate an bench seating to it.   I also wish we could have a great sculpture of former Mayor Voinovich at the park named after him before this sculpture took priority placement

 

Looks very old fashion.  Something you would expect to see in Cleveland such as the typical large chain link fence, cheap pavers and a extremely tacky monument.  They really need to look at how other cities like Chicago (even Detroit) have dressed up their waterfront.  

Are they drawing inspiration from the US Navy Memorial where the original statue is located in DC? It reminds me of that but on a much smaller scale. 

1 hour ago, coneflower said:

Are they drawing inspiration from the US Navy Memorial where the original statue is located in DC? It reminds me of that but on a much smaller scale. 

They said there’s only a few around the world including one on the beach of Normandy 

10 hours ago, dave2017 said:

I watched the meeting's feed and the presenters were definitely not budging on the design. The Commission was really trying very angle to say no and start over on the donor/plaque wall.   This feature definitely needs refinement but I don't think the developer's saw any problem with it. It's not eve an elegant curve . The backside of it should incorporate an bench seating to it.   I also wish we could have a great sculpture of former Mayor Voinovich at the park named after him before this sculpture took priority placement

 

 

This is a public park, no?  How are the developers acting like they're design shouldn't be open to public criticism?  Because we're so "lucky" to have this statue?  It would be nice, and I don't hate this design as much as some here seem to, but it isn't like its going to be any great attraction that we need to bend over backwards to bring to our town.

What exactly is the point of the wall? To put some sort of history on it? Block the wind?

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And why was this location selected?

11 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said:

What exactly is the point of the wall? To put some sort of history on it? Block the wind?

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I’m confused by why it’s even a thing. I guess the wall is there to let us know who paid for the wall.

6 hours ago, marty15 said:

I’m confused by why it’s even a thing. I guess the wall is there to let us know who paid for the wall.

 

Those look like names of honorees in the center.  Which makes sense.

On 1/6/2024 at 2:00 AM, BoomerangCleRes said:

Also presented was the marginal connector or whatever they’re calling it aka a real black path running along side marginal drive also with new/more trees + lighting

 

Guess I never noticed that there wasn't a sidewalk/trail until Aviation HS. Current state:

 

This one coming up is a little 💣 But could lead to a huge one someday.

36 minutes ago, KJP said:

This one coming up is a little 💣 But could lead to a huge one someday.

If its little it should have been posted already! jk

 

 

One of Cleveland’s largest lakefront sites is now in play
By Ken Prendergast / January 8, 2024

 

Turns out the sale of a large Cleveland lakefront property could be good news for a more livable shoreline, after all. The 62-acre former Lake Shore Power Station site just east of Downtown Cleveland, along with the 167-acre Eastlake power plant property and another in Oregon, OH near Toledo were sold last month by Energy Harbor Generation LLC of Akron to a firm that specializes in cleaning up and redeveloping former coal-fired power plant sites.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blog/2024/01/08/one-of-clevelands-largest-lakefront-sites-is-now-in-play/

I know they won't do it, but bringing the highway to the train tracks would accomplish everything CHEERS wants without needing to build out more land

Isn't CHEERS being proposed because it's cheaper than moving I 90..??

i dont know the cost to move the highway. but cheers will take 30 years and $300 million (a number that I'm not buying)

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51 minutes ago, Whipjacka said:

I know they won't do it, but bringing the highway to the train tracks would accomplish everything CHEERS wants without needing to build out more land

 

At that point it's I-90 and the feds are heavily involved.   At the very least you would need to have a bypass complete and open to traffic before even beginning to take it out.

58 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

One of Cleveland’s largest lakefront sites is now in play
By Ken Prendergast / January 8, 2024

 

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blog/2024/01/08/one-of-clevelands-largest-lakefront-sites-is-now-in-play/

Yeah baby!  Gold Coast East!! 

1 minute ago, CleveFan said:

Yeah baby!  Gold Coast East!! 

 

That exists and it's called Bratenhal.

 

Not as much high budget demand exists east of downtown for a variety of reasons.  One of which is the weather pattern.

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Not sure that will be the case in the future - this location will overlook a new shoreline park and be close to downtown and the burgeoning medical district and University Circle 

I was thinking more along the lines of Humber Bay. 😁

 

We often use the Chicago lakefront as the shoreline to emulate. I actually prefer Toronto's because of the more convoluted shoreline as well as those islands. It's just more interesting geographicly. 

2 minutes ago, cadmen said:

We often use the Chicago lakefront as the shoreline to emulate. I actually prefer Toronto's because of the more convoluted shoreline as well as those islands. It's just more interesting geographicly. 

Agreed, @cadmen. I fell in love with Toronto and its lakefront the first time I visited in the mid 1980s. Its a very walkable lakefront with plenty to do.

Maybe I'm a homer, but this has to be one of the most exciting properties available in the U.S. right now, right? Huge, lakefront, is basically ready to build on (right?). I just hope someone doesn't buy it and put a big Amazon warehouse on it.

16 hours ago, Whipjacka said:

i dont know the cost to move the highway. but cheers will take 30 years and $300 million (a number that I'm not buying)

 

had the same thought. that picture in KJP's article really emphasizes the lost opportunities with i-90 right up against the lake like that.

17 hours ago, Whipjacka said:

i dont know the cost to move the highway. but cheers will take 30 years and $300 million (a number that I'm not buying)

 

Substantially cheaper than moving the highway. We'll know how committed the feds are when federal grants for the project come around (...this spring?). 

 

A lot of the reason for it taking so long is they're going to be using sediment from the river after the airport cells fill up (which they're close), and FYI their renderings show it as a 20 year plan.

 

https://www.clevelandmetroparks.com/getmedia/e73301bc-c794-4059-bef2-c295e353a27e/2023-04-27-CHEERS_Phasing-graphic.mp4.ashx

Why not both?  Sometimes things work better when you do both- build an attractive lakefront park, and reconnect more land to it for redevelopment.

19 hours ago, KJP said:

 

 

One of Cleveland’s largest lakefront sites is now in play
By Ken Prendergast / January 8, 2024

 

Turns out the sale of a large Cleveland lakefront property could be good news for a more livable shoreline, after all. The 62-acre former Lake Shore Power Station site just east of Downtown Cleveland, along with the 167-acre Eastlake power plant property and another in Oregon, OH near Toledo were sold last month by Energy Harbor Generation LLC of Akron to a firm that specializes in cleaning up and redeveloping former coal-fired power plant sites.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blog/2024/01/08/one-of-clevelands-largest-lakefront-sites-is-now-in-play/

 

 

Article updated with a BRIEF comment from the city of Cleveland.

 

2 hours ago, GISguy said:

 

Substantially cheaper than moving the highway. We'll know how committed the feds are when federal grants for the project come around (...this spring?). 

 

A lot of the reason for it taking so long is they're going to be using sediment from the river after the airport cells fill up (which they're close), and FYI their renderings show it as a 20 year plan.

 

https://www.clevelandmetroparks.com/getmedia/e73301bc-c794-4059-bef2-c295e353a27e/2023-04-27-CHEERS_Phasing-graphic.mp4.ashx

So $300M is substantial cheaper than moving a small section of the highway?  Wow.  Opportunity Corridor cost about $300M and that was 3  miles.  

^Yeah, it's probably more than $300,000,000 to move the freeway. It's relocating a minimum 1.5 miles of interstate highway, 8 lanes wide, with multiple entries/exits a significant grade change and then removal of the existing roadbed.

Lakefront Road, which predated 1-90, actually did slip south along the railroad tracks, allowing Gordon Park to maintain a greater lakefront length. The double parking lanes on the south end of the current Gordon Park are the old road beds of Lakefront Road. Crazy.

Clicking year over year on this website really shows how Gordon Park has been hacked away.

 

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/View/index.html?appid=ddb0ee6134d64de4adaaa3660308abfd

 

This may sound crazy but why can they use crushed rock and soil from somewhere else instead of relying on dredging material. Look how much soil that has been removed so far from the Irish Bend stabilization project. I think 30 years is a long time to wait for a landfilled lakefront park to come into fruition.

If they end up building a new stadium, they could dump the remains of the current stadium in there.

I agree 30 years is a very long time to move dirt...  maybe the mayor and other dignitaries need to visit the Chinese military and see how they built those islands in the South China Sea so fast..

2 hours ago, ctown60 said:

This may sound crazy but why can they use crushed rock and soil from somewhere else instead of relying on dredging material. Look how much soil that has been removed so far from the Irish Bend stabilization project. I think 30 years is a long time to wait for a landfilled lakefront park to come into fruition.

 

I agree on using any removed soils from Irishtown Bend, but to your broader point, much of the impetus for this project is needing to put the dredged material Somewhere. If we get this material elsewhere, we'd both have to pay for it, and would need to find alternative use for the river dredgings. Not insurmountable challenges, but we'd be losing a lot of the efficiencies of the original plan. 

Am I crazy, or does living across an interstate highway from the lake remove a lot of the attractiveness of this site for residential?  It is disconnected in the same way as the Shoreline Apts, without actually being on the water.   

Did anyone catch Scene’s interview with Bibb last Friday? He gave some interesting updates on the lakefront, specifically that the Burke study should be completed by EOM. 

 

SCENE: The recent article in the Washington Post revolved around the successes of Public Square and Euclid Avenue. But what about Burke? 

BIBB: The Master Plan for the Lakefront should be done by, I believe, the end of January. It's 90 percent complete.

SCENE: Can you talk about it?

BIBB: Yeah. Listen. I'm the first mayor in history to do two studies to examine the impact of Burke closing. I'm waiting for those studies to inform our administration's point of view around that. That's a long term question we need to answer. 

But in the short term, here's what we're focused on. Number one, my plan is all about our Shore To Core strategy for the city and for the region. How do we truly become one of the only two waterfront cities in America, with the work we're doing with Dan Gilbert and Bedrock at the riverfront, a nearly $4 billion plan to the work we intend to do with the Haslams, the Great Lakes Science Center and the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and upkeep stakeholders for the lakefront.

We're going to be in D.C. a whole lot in the first part of this year—

SCENE: Thanks for telling us now.

BIBB: —talking to 'Mayor' Pete [Buttigieg] and the administration about all the infrastructure dollars we want to apply for. And we'll be narrowing more streets in the urban core of Downtown.

Build some recreational islands offshore. There should be no shortage of uses for the river dredging.