January 9, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, lockdog said: I agree 30 years is a very long time to move dirt... Most of us will be gone in 30 years.
January 9, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Henke said: Did anyone catch Scene’s interview with Bibb last Friday? He gave some interesting updates on the lakefront, specifically that the Burke study should be completed by EOM. SCENE: The recent article in the Washington Post revolved around the successes of Public Square and Euclid Avenue. But what about Burke? BIBB: The Master Plan for the Lakefront should be done by, I believe, the end of January. It's 90 percent complete. SCENE: Can you talk about it? BIBB: Yeah. Listen. I'm the first mayor in history to do two studies to examine the impact of Burke closing. I'm waiting for those studies to inform our administration's point of view around that. That's a long term question we need to answer. But in the short term, here's what we're focused on. Number one, my plan is all about our Shore To Core strategy for the city and for the region. How do we truly become one of the only two waterfront cities in America, with the work we're doing with Dan Gilbert and Bedrock at the riverfront, a nearly $4 billion plan to the work we intend to do with the Haslams, the Great Lakes Science Center and the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and upkeep stakeholders for the lakefront. We're going to be in D.C. a whole lot in the first part of this year— SCENE: Thanks for telling us now. BIBB: —talking to 'Mayor' Pete [Buttigieg] and the administration about all the infrastructure dollars we want to apply for. And we'll be narrowing more streets in the urban core of Downtown. Are we able to reverse engineer that $4b of work with the haslems to figure out stadium cost?
January 15, 20241 yr Thinking about it now, Ideastream, among various news outlets, reported at the end of last year that the 90%/finalized lakefront master plan would be released in January 2024. https://www.ideastream.org/community/2023-10-23/cleveland-lakefront-master-plan-in-final-stages-intended-to-be-finalized-in-january With no lakefront presentation to the city during CPC's first meeting on the 5th, curious if anyone's heard any updates since the next CPC meeting is this Friday? Or if Field Ops is planning on doing another presentation event this month?
January 15, 20241 yr On 1/9/2024 at 3:42 PM, LibertyBlvd said: Most of us will be gone in 30 years. I sure hope I wouldn't be!
January 20, 20241 yr Final design approved they split the wallSmall thing but I wish there was a fourth flag to balance things out next to the American flag lol.Sent from my Pixel 8 Pro using Tapatalk
January 20, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said: Small thing but I wish there was a fourth flag to balance things out next to the American flag lol. Sent from my Pixel 8 Pro using Tapatalk Unless someone is actually going to take the flags down every evening, I can’t imagine they’d last more than a week before they’re completely shredded.
January 24, 20241 yr Lakefront megasite – for housing or distribution hub? By Ken Prendergast / January 24, 2024 A company that acquired a large piece of prime Cleveland lakefront land in December is a bit of an enigma if for no other reason because of its youth. This company, IDA Power LLC, is getting its hands on some very problematic yet high-potential properties around the country. It is engaged in a lengthy process of cleaning up those sites and turning them into productive properties again. But the company’s young life may give some insight into what we might expect here. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/01/24/lakefront-megasite-for-housing-or-distribution-hub/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 24, 20241 yr ^ Hopefully not another distribution center. This area has enough of those already.
January 24, 20241 yr 13 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said: ^ Hopefully not another distribution center. This area has enough of those already. Yeah, do what Columbus did and put a giant a$$ warehouse downtown for Rogue all while Abbot keeps clogging up Vine Street with its truck traffic. 🙄
January 24, 20241 yr BTW, just for fun, I made this graphic to see how much of Toronto's Humber Bay Shores could fit into Cleveland's Lake Shore Power Plant site.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 25, 20241 yr 14 hours ago, KJP said: BTW, just for fun, I made this graphic to see how much of Toronto's Humber Bay Shores could fit into Cleveland's Lake Shore Power Plant site.... You're going to put @Geowizicalout of a job!!
January 25, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, GISguy said: You're going to put @Geowizicalout of a job!! Trust me, he's safe! But thanks! That's a nice compliment. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 25, 20241 yr I would love high rise apartments here, but if we are going to get a big box, how about an actual IKEA? They've already done an IKEA logistics center. The IKEA in Brooklyn NY is on a similar site and has free ferry service to/from Manhattan.
January 26, 20241 yr 21 hours ago, Dino said: I would love high rise apartments here, but if we are going to get a big box, how about an actual IKEA? They've already done an IKEA logistics center. The IKEA in Brooklyn NY is on a similar site and has free ferry service to/from Manhattan. The IKEA talk on this forum never dies - it’s been around since the beginning of UO almost 20 years ago.
January 26, 20241 yr You are right about the IKEA talk on here but now I'm curious, when did Urban Ohio start?
January 26, 20241 yr 46 minutes ago, sooner said: You are right about the IKEA talk on here but now I'm curious, when did Urban Ohio start? I believe I was first on around 2005 or so.
February 7, 20241 yr State Funding for landbridge approved. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/we-follow-through/ohio-lawmakers-propose-20-million-for-cleveland-land-bridge-connecting-downtown-to-lake-erie
February 7, 20241 yr What ever happened to the money The State set aside for the bridge that was planned back in 2014? I remember money being set aside for that build. Also, that $20 million is way below what Cleveland asked for. They were asking for $62 million Edited February 7, 20241 yr by dave2017
February 7, 20241 yr More Landbridge news. https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/cleveland/ohio-house-hb2-allocate-20-million-land-bridge-downtown-cleveland/95-5952eee9-0e71-4212-b3b6-7c651566676c
February 8, 20241 yr Do the plans for the shoreway and Browns stadium need to be determined before proceeding with the land bridge? It seems like the main beneficiary of the land bridge would be those attending the dozen or so events held at the stadium each year. But if a new stadium is built elsewhere, would a land bridge still be necessary? Edited February 8, 20241 yr by LibertyBlvd
February 8, 20241 yr What’s the status of Biden’s infrastructure money in terms of a land bridge? Wouldn’t this be exactly the kind of project that the infrastructure money was intended for?
February 9, 20241 yr On 1/26/2024 at 6:29 PM, sooner said: You are right about the IKEA talk on here but now I'm curious, when did Urban Ohio start? I think I first heard about it in second half of 2003. First posts probably soon there after. Oldest thread of mine still active is little Italy from 2005. First heard about urbanohio on skyscraperpage. MayDay has done a great job in providing this forum for us.
February 10, 20241 yr On 2/7/2024 at 4:02 PM, dave2017 said: What ever happened to the money The State set aside for the bridge that was planned back in 2014? I remember money being set aside for that build. Also, that $20 million is way below what Cleveland asked for. They were asking for $62 million Right? There was $25 million in state, county and city funding lined up for the $33 million (2015 dollars) Rosales designed bridge. This $20 million should be in addition to those commitments. https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2018/12/city-of-cleveland-exploring-alternatives-to-iconic-miguel-rosales-design-for-lakefront-pedestrian-bridge.html
February 14, 20241 yr Erie is currently (actually under construction. NOT planning) overhauling its bayfront highway. Some cool features I’d love to see when we finally downgrade the Shoreway from DMC to Main Ave bridge.
February 14, 20241 yr Erie already having a better relationship with the lakefront than Cleveland is downright humiliating.
February 14, 20241 yr Whatever we get, I naively hope it's more pedestrian friendly than that Erie project.
February 14, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, Mendo said: Whatever we get, I naively hope it's more pedestrian friendly than that Erie project. I’d take it. A lot of the features look more European. As opposed to the utilitarian crap that ODOT forces on us.
February 14, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, marty15 said: I’d take it. A lot of the features look more European. As opposed to the utilitarian crap that ODOT forces on us. I agree anything ODOT is involved with is pretty bad. But the early renderings of the Cleveland lakeshore plan resembles the Erie project -- wide lanes, grassy median, dedicated turning lanes, no sidewalks, a shared multipurpose path, etc. I prefer something that resembles a typical urban street with sidewalks and protected bike lanes. The Erie design dedicates far too much space to the traffic circle and pedestrian bridge, making much of the land adjacent to the road unbuildable. It doesn't appear you can even cross the street on foot.
February 14, 20241 yr Cool nugget in the Metroparks Board Meeting for this month, one that lays the building blocks for something very cool in the future. Tldr: The Metroparks is looking to run utilities to the Old Coast Guard Station.
February 14, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, Ethan said: Cool nugget in the Metroparks Board Meeting for this month, one that lays the building blocks for something very cool in the future. Tldr: The Metroparks is looking to run utilities to the Old Coast Guard Station. Great find! Hopefully the MOA is finalized soon enough to allow the Metroparks to install the utilities while completing this project to hopefully reduce project cots, limit the amount of time that the West Pier is closed to pedestrians while work is being done, and the old Cost Guard Station can be activated that much sooner.
February 14, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, OldEnough said: Erie already having a better relationship with the lakefront than Cleveland is downright humiliating. Erie has Presque Isle. Maybe CLE can build one.
February 14, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, OldEnough said: Erie already having a better relationship with the lakefront than Cleveland is downright humiliating. I doubt many people are comparing Cleveland and Erie. Cleveland is bigger with different infrastructure so it’s not apples to apples.
February 15, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, jeremyck01 said: I doubt many people are comparing Cleveland and Erie. Cleveland is bigger with different infrastructure so it’s not apples to apples. One city put some thought into its relationship with the lakefront (apple) — another turned its back on the lake (apple).
February 15, 20241 yr 43 minutes ago, OldEnough said: One city put some thought into its relationship with the lakefront (apple) — another turned its back on the lake (apple). The cities have different histories which precipitated different infrastructure decisions. Erie was not nearly as industrialized as Cleveland. Erie is only now correcting their earlier decisions and Cleveland is working on it. Calling it “humiliating” is a bit theatrical. Humiliation is a choice and I feel it’s a better use of energy to focus on the planned re-connection to the water instead of dwelling on the past.
February 15, 20241 yr It's as good time as any to pull out this story again. When I was a student at Case I would sometimes hike around the lakefront north east of Gordon park and sneak through fences when they were in the early stages of filling in the lake to create the Lakefront Nature Preserve using dredging's from the Cleveland harbor and the Cuyahoga. A few times, I would be gasping at the high level of solvents and other hazardous chemicals emanating into the air. (Hello SW ?!). I never quite figured out how it could later safely be cleared to become a nature preserve. I guess they capped everything with many feet of clean fill. Still, it remains an etched memory of just how highly polluted the sediment was.
February 15, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, TMart said: Erie has Presque Isle. Maybe CLE can build one. The proposed CHEERS project might be similar, but on a smaller scale. Edited February 15, 20241 yr by LibertyBlvd
February 15, 20241 yr @DO_Summers l think the difference is depending on the amount and kind of pollution there are rules/laws that say it may be safe enough to walk on for a limited amount of time vs. living on it.
February 15, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, cadmen said: @DO_Summers l think the difference is depending on the amount and kind of pollution there are rules/laws that say it may be safe enough to walk on for a limited amount of time vs. living on it. No doubt. That's why I was surprised the County originally wanted to build their new jail on the old Standard Oil site.
February 15, 20241 yr 19 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said: The proposed CHEERS project might be similar, but on a smaller scale. I wish I was wrong but I don't think it's possible to geologically reconstruct anything like Presque Isle, if that's what you guys mean.
February 15, 20241 yr 6 hours ago, cadmen said: @DO_Summers l think the difference is depending on the amount and kind of pollution there are rules/laws that say it may be safe enough to walk on for a limited amount of time vs. living on it. I remember that! I also seem to remember they determined the relative safety by studying insects.
February 21, 20241 yr On 2/15/2024 at 4:47 PM, surfohio said: I wish I was wrong but I don't think it's possible to geologically reconstruct anything like Presque Isle, if that's what you guys mean. I was being facetious about "building" a Presque Isle. I was just underscoring the difference between the lakefront in the two cities. Presque Isle has is geographically ideal for recreation due to it's geography. Cleveland has used its lakefront largely for industrial purposes and is reaping the consequences. Transitioning to more of a recreational lakefront will take time and a lot of resources.
February 21, 20241 yr On 2/14/2024 at 8:44 PM, DO_Summers said: It's as good time as any to pull out this story again. When I was a student at Case I would sometimes hike around the lakefront north east of Gordon park and sneak through fences when they were in the early stages of filling in the lake to create the Lakefront Nature Preserve using dredging's from the Cleveland harbor and the Cuyahoga. A few times, I would be gasping at the high level of solvents and other hazardous chemicals emanating into the air. (Hello SW ?!). There are plenty of good reasons why Breen was moved out to Brecksville.
February 21, 20241 yr 20 minutes ago, TMart said: I was being facetious about "building" a Presque Isle. I was just underscoring the difference between the lakefront in the two cities. Presque Isle has is geographically ideal for recreation due to it's geography. Cleveland has used its lakefront largely for industrial purposes and is reaping the consequences. Transitioning to more of a recreational lakefront will take time and a lot of resources. If we weren't, do we still have the mills?
February 21, 20241 yr 42 minutes ago, E Rocc said: If we weren't, do we still have the mills? The loss of beaches has been most detrimental thing from my perspective. I don't think the mills were involved in that loss, since the mills date back a long time and the sand loss is comparatively recent. It's more so because of overdevelopment right up to the waters edge along with some really shortsighted erosion control measures. These continue today.
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