May 30, 20241 yr 48 minutes ago, Whipjacka said: I'd actually rather they prioritize redoing e9 and w3 pedestrian experience before doing the 'landbridge' i wonder if it would be possible to close the shoreway eastbound exit and westbound entrance at E 9th? There is already an eastbound exit and westbound entrance at Lakeside near W 6th. Would that make E 9th a little more pedestrian friendly?
May 30, 20241 yr 12 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said: i wonder if it would be possible to close the shoreway eastbound exit and westbound entrance at E 9th? There is already an eastbound exit and westbound entrance at Lakeside near W 6th. Would that make E 9th a little more pedestrian friendly? I like this idea, but you’d need to maintain some type of convenient local exit for the Amtrak station. That could be disconnected from the highway. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
May 30, 20241 yr You don't need exit ramps for a boulevard with intersections. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 30, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, KJP said: You don't need exit ramps for a boulevard with intersections. I was looking at one of your articles from last year-ish. I always thought that options C & D were at-grade intersections for e9. Upon closer inspection I’m not sure of that. I really do hope that is the plan
May 30, 20241 yr Has a decision been made yet on the shoreway or is it still being studied? And has anyone provided cost estimates on the various options? My ramp closure idea would be if they decide to basically keep the shoreway as-is. Edited May 30, 20241 yr by LibertyBlvd
May 30, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, surfohio said: I was looking at one of your articles from last year-ish. I always thought that options C & D were at-grade intersections for e9. Upon closer inspection I’m not sure of that. I really do hope that is the plan Go with the city's lakefront plan.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 31, 20241 yr 5 hours ago, KJP said: Go with the city's lakefront plan.... Has the city formally decided on this plan? And have they started seeking funding for the planning for the conversion of the Shoreway?
May 31, 20241 yr I think the plan is still in development, so presumably it still needs to be formally adopted in some capacity. And according to Cleveland.com in October of last year, there’s been no actual assessment of cost for the project yet. https://www.cleveland.com/news/2023/10/60-complete-cleveland-downtown-lakefront-plan-calls-for-affordable-fun-scaled-down-shoreway-eventual-move-for-browns-tailgaters.html?outputType=amp However the land bridge has a price tag of $230 million. State house passed $20 million in funding for that, which is held up in senate last i read. https://www.cleveland.com/news/2024/02/after-quick-start-bill-offering-cash-for-cleveland-land-bridge-womens-soccer-stadium-slows-in-senate.html?outputType=amp And somewhere out there are results from the Burke study… but I haven’t heard anything about that in a long time. it was supposed to be done in august of last year. https://www.clevescene.com/news/cleveland-conducting-second-study-to-gauge-future-of-burke-lakefront-airport-41859482
May 31, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Foraker said: Has the city formally decided on this plan? And have they started seeking funding for the planning for the conversion of the Shoreway? No, but this is the conceptual level plan. The Shoreway options were refined down to this for inclusion in the plan. The city intends to bring the plan up to a greater level of design detail and specificity rather than plow through more options. Of course, this assumes ODOT financially buys into this, even though they're supposed to do what the cities tell them since they control land use policies. But if ODOT isn't willing to pay for something or procure funding for it, then that makes it difficult for the city to call the shots (see the West Shoreway for an example of a disastrous compromise -- no change from a highway's design to limit speed while putting up signs that limit it but don't). "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 31, 20241 yr Can't tell from the image, but it seems like there will be a bit of a slope on E 9th from the bridge over the rail tracks to the intersection with the new shoreway blvd. Edited May 31, 20241 yr by LibertyBlvd
May 31, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said: Can't tell from the image, but it seems like there will be a bit of a slope on E 9th from the bridge over the rail tracks to the intersection with the new shoreway blvd. As there is now. It can't be a steeper slope until after it passes north of the NS/Amtrak/GCRTA tracks and South Marginal/Port Roadway. By that point, it's only a couple hundred more feet to reach an intersection with a Shoreway Boulevard. So it probably makes more sense to raise up the Shoreway's elevation more than it would to lower East 9th more steeply. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 31, 20241 yr I think a Land Bridge would be a fantastic urban space connecting different assets of the city. But with each iteration of planning it appears the Land Bridge merely becomes a Bridge. Call it the Incredible Shrinking Land Bridge. I understand that its much easier to come up with a pretty rendering than to cobble together funding and regulatory approval, but a design like the Haslams proposed would be far better in my book. That being said, some connectivity would be better than the status quo.
June 4, 20241 yr Cleveland nearing decision on whether to close Burke Lakefront Airport by Nick Castele and Mark Naymik June 4, 2024 Quote Top city officials planned to meet Monday afternoon to discuss when and how to roll out a decision [on the future of Burke Lakefront Airport], Signal Cleveland had learned. But they canceled the meeting because Jeffrey Epstein, City Hall’s chief of integrated development, was stuck in City Council’s daylong committee hearing. Epstein told Signal Cleveland on Tuesday that officials still need to review the data from two nearly completed studies on the possibility of closing Burke. One study examines the regulatory and technical side of closing the airport. The other looks at the economic impact. ... Whether the City Hall moves to close the airport or not, it will need to communicate its decision to a broad number of people. Epstein said City Council will have a say. Other stakeholders to inform could include leaseholders at the airport, business leaders who use it for travel, hospitals and neighboring institutions like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. https://signalcleveland.org/cleveland-nearing-decision-on-whether-to-close-burke-lakefront-airport/
June 4, 20241 yr "Top city officials planned to meet Monday afternoon to discuss when and how to roll out a decision [on the future of Burke Lakefront Airport], Signal Cleveland had learned. But they canceled the meeting because Jeffrey Epstein, City Hall’s chief of integrated development, was stuck in City Council’s daylong committee hearing. " Not the best name to have these days.
June 4, 20241 yr Seems like that came out of nowhere. I didn't even know it was up for discussion. I guess elections really do matter lol.
June 5, 20241 yr 17 hours ago, Luke_S said: Cleveland nearing decision on whether to close Burke Lakefront Airport by Nick Castele and Mark Naymik June 4, 2024 https://signalcleveland.org/cleveland-nearing-decision-on-whether-to-close-burke-lakefront-airport/ I've been hearing rumblings of closing Burke for years. Many here think it would be great for lakefront development. But isn't Burke considered a major selling point for businesses to locate/stay downtown? I thought it was an advantage Cleveland had over most other cities - the close proximity of an airport to downtown. Will closing Burke be yet another reason for a company to leave downtown or not locate there?
June 5, 20241 yr Unlikely. If it was an advantage, other cities would have airports close to downtown. And Cleveland would not have lost so many businesses over the last 50 years. Edited June 5, 20241 yr by LibertyBlvd
June 5, 20241 yr At the risk of posting this too early in the day.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 5, 20241 yr 10 minutes ago, KJP said: At the risk of posting this too early in the day.... Holy cow, is this about Burke? Are all my wildest dreams going to come true??
June 5, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said: Unlikely. If it was an advantage, other cities would have airports close to downtown. And Cleveland would not have lost so many businesses over the last 50 years. 2 hours ago, TMart said: But isn't Burke considered a major selling point for businesses to locate/stay downtown? I thought it was an advantage Cleveland had over most other cities - the close proximity of an airport to downtown. Will closing Burke be yet another reason for a company to leave downtown or not locate there? Hopkins is also incredibly close, I’d assume much closer than most other cities (12 miles from city center) especially with the absence of congestion (consistently 15ish mins from our city center). same can pretty much be said for the County airport. Edited June 5, 20241 yr by BoomerangCleRes
June 5, 20241 yr 11 minutes ago, KJP said: At the risk of posting this too early in the day.... Will the pilot be able to land and walk to the rock hall after dropping this?? 👀
June 5, 20241 yr 7 minutes ago, LlamaLawyer said: Holy cow, is this about Burke? Are all my wildest dreams going to come true?? Not Burke "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 5, 20241 yr 15 minutes ago, BoomerangCleRes said: Hopkins is also incredibly close, I’d assume much closer than most other cities (12 miles from city center) especially with the absence of congestion (consistently 15ish mins from our city center). same can pretty much be said for the County airport. According to chat gpt we have the 9th closest airport to our city center and the only one on that list that has a consistent drive time
June 5, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, Gabriel said: That ChatGPT output is missing an obvious one! Burke? I asked it for international airports to show that Hopkins can do the job of Burke w/o much affect in experience Edited June 5, 20241 yr by BoomerangCleRes
June 5, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, BoomerangCleRes said: Burke? I asked it for international airports to show that our Hopkins can do the job of Burke w/o much affect in experience Yeah, I was referring to Burke. But how does a list of distances "show" "Hopkins can do the job of Burke w/o much affect in experience "? We'll definitely have more delays and stuff at Hopkins if all that other air traffic will be there from Burke. That impacts experience for sure. And for your own "distance" post, zero miles is certainly much further than 9 miles. You can walk to Burke, but you wouldn't walk 9 miles. If your plane leaves in 30 minutes, you could make it out of Burke, but with the distance to Hopkins and TSA line crowds (even with pre-ck or clear), you still wouldn't make your flight. That's a big change on experience.
June 5, 20241 yr 14 minutes ago, Gabriel said: That ChatGPT output is missing an obvious one! this probably gives the best comparison to Burke’s service elsewhere “Here are the closest Signature Aviation FBOs to city centers in the U.S., including non-international airports: 1. Burke Lakefront Airport (BKL) - Located about 1 mile from downtown Cleveland, Ohio . 2. Meacham International Airport (FTW) - Approximately 5 miles from downtown Fort Worth, Texas. 3. Nashville International Airport (BNA) - Around 8 miles from downtown Nashville, Tennessee. 4. Teterboro Airport (TEB) - About 12 miles from downtown Manhattan, New York. 5. Van Nuys Airport (VNY) - Approximately 16 miles from downtown Los Angeles, California. 6. San Antonio International Airport (SAT) - Roughly 8 miles from downtown San Antonio, Texas. 7. Chicago Midway International Airport (MDW) - Located about 12 miles from downtown Chicago, Illinois. 8. Dallas Love Field (DAL) - Around 6 miles from downtown Dallas, Texas. 9. Oakland International Airport (OAK) - Approximately 9 miles from downtown Oakland, California. 10. Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport (DCA) - About 3 miles from downtown Washington, D.C.”
June 5, 20241 yr 13 minutes ago, Gabriel said: Yeah, I was referring to Burke. But how does a list of distances "show" "Hopkins can do the job of Burke w/o much affect in experience "? We'll definitely have more delays and stuff at Hopkins if all that other air traffic will be there from Burke. That impacts experience for sure. And for your own "distance" post, zero miles is certainly much further than 9 miles. You can walk to Burke, but you wouldn't walk 9 miles. If your plane leaves in 30 minutes, you could make it out of Burke, but with the distance to Hopkins and TSA line crowds (even with pre-ck or clear), you still wouldn't make your flight. That's a big change on experience. Hopkins or the county airport. I’m just saying sure Burke is incredibly close but so are two other airports especially when considering drive time and the consistency of that drive unlike other cities where traffic is far more congested and unpredictable. to clear it up folks are saying the luxury and desirability of Burke is that it’s stone throw away. And I’m saying since we don’t have major congestion we still pretty much that same luxury over other cities with the other two airports still being very close Edited June 5, 20241 yr by BoomerangCleRes
June 5, 20241 yr I don't think the ChatGPT output is remotely accurate or complete. John Glenn Columbus Int'l and Charlotte-Douglas Int'l are both about six miles from their respective city centers. There are probably a bunch of other examples too. This kind of recall task is exactly the sort of thing current-generation LLMs are worst at.
June 5, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, BoomerangCleRes said: this probably gives the best comparison to Burke’s service elsewhere “Here are the closest Signature Aviation FBOs to city centers in the U.S., including non-international airports: 1. Burke Lakefront Airport (BKL) - Located about 1 mile from downtown Cleveland, Ohio . 2. Meacham International Airport (FTW) - Approximately 5 miles from downtown Fort Worth, Texas. 3. Nashville International Airport (BNA) - Around 8 miles from downtown Nashville, Tennessee. 4. Teterboro Airport (TEB) - About 12 miles from downtown Manhattan, New York. 5. Van Nuys Airport (VNY) - Approximately 16 miles from downtown Los Angeles, California. 6. San Antonio International Airport (SAT) - Roughly 8 miles from downtown San Antonio, Texas. 7. Chicago Midway International Airport (MDW) - Located about 12 miles from downtown Chicago, Illinois. 8. Dallas Love Field (DAL) - Around 6 miles from downtown Dallas, Texas. 9. Oakland International Airport (OAK) - Approximately 9 miles from downtown Oakland, California. 10. Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport (DCA) - About 3 miles from downtown Washington, D.C.” Your list makes Burke look like the best airport in the country---no other airport is as convenient.
June 5, 20241 yr Regardless of location, Burke is an under-utilized airport. As is Hopkins. As is Canton-Akron. Seems like one needs to go. And Burke is the odd man out.
June 5, 20241 yr 20 minutes ago, Gabriel said: Your list makes Burke look like the best airport in the country---no other airport is as convenient. it is very much so. I've mentioned this before upthread, but we should be looking at the Burke Lakefront of the future, not of today. When Burke was built, Cleveland was a top city for vision in aviation. The air races were here. Some manufacturing was here. The future looked bright! Fast forward to today and BKL has fallen on hard times. But..very soon air taxis, ubers and other personal forms of air transport are about to take to the skies. Small electric drones capable of carrying people are already in testing. And one thing is sure--the FAA won't let these things anywhere near a fully functioning class B airport. But a reliever airport like BKL, close to the CBD, is a perfect place to test this technology. IMO the best thing we could do is get rid of the City of Cleveland managing both airports. They are not great landlords. They have no vision. They are super slow to react. If we want to be visionary leaders again, we need to get rid of the leaders who lack vision.
June 5, 20241 yr 21 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said: Regardless of location, Burke is an under-utilized airport. As is Hopkins. As is Canton-Akron. Seems like one needs to go. And Burke is the odd man out. Canton is the obvious odd man out! Who wants to drive 60 miles when you Ai showed Burke was 1 mile away?
June 5, 20241 yr 18 minutes ago, Cleburger said: it is very much so. I've mentioned this before upthread, but we should be looking at the Burke Lakefront of the future, not of today. When Burke was built, Cleveland was a top city for vision in aviation. The air races were here. Some manufacturing was here. The future looked bright! Fast forward to today and BKL has fallen on hard times. But..very soon air taxis, ubers and other personal forms of air transport are about to take to the skies. Small electric drones capable of carrying people are already in testing. And one thing is sure--the FAA won't let these things anywhere near a fully functioning class B airport. But a reliever airport like BKL, close to the CBD, is a perfect place to test this technology. IMO the best thing we could do is get rid of the City of Cleveland managing both airports. They are not great landlords. They have no vision. They are super slow to react. If we want to be visionary leaders again, we need to get rid of the leaders who lack vision. This is a really interesting use case, but if the air taxis have to take off from an airport wouldn’t they have to land at another airport? Is this just for going from Burke to other regional airports? I’m not fully understanding the value prop.
June 5, 20241 yr The question isn't whether or not Burke has value, of course it does! Everything has pros and cons. The correct question is whether a (mostly) private airport is the most valuable usage of 400+ acres of (near) downtown lakefront property, and 2-3 miles of lakeshore. It's possible to make that argument, but I don't find it compelling. I'd argue instead that the reason Burke is such an outlier in @BoomerangCleRes list is that other cities have correctly concluded that there are more valuable uses for land that close to the city center.
June 5, 20241 yr Cleveland seeks one big grant for lakefront connector, Shoreway Blvd, multimodal station By Ken Prendergast / June 5, 2024 In one of the largest single federal grant requests ever by the city of Cleveland, Mayor Justin Bibb’s administration is seeking $268 million from the federal government to tackle four main lakefront improvement projects simultaneously. The projects, which include reconfiguring the Shoreway highway into a boulevard with intersections, have the backing of the Ohio Department of Transportation (ODOT), Cuyahoga County and others. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/06/05/cleveland-seeks-one-big-grant-for-lakefront-connector-shoreway-blvd-multimodal-station/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 5, 20241 yr Excellent article Ken. Very informative and filled with lots of new news. That said, why do I have this feeling that I will never see any of this in my lifetime?
June 5, 20241 yr With an extended E 18th street.....would that make it easier to have a waterfront line loop, or no real impact either way?
June 5, 20241 yr 10 minutes ago, Htsguy said: Excellent article Ken. Very informative and filled with lots of new news. That said, why do I have this feeling that I will never see any of this in my lifetime? Thanks. Have faith, brother. 7 minutes ago, 3 Dog Pat said: With an extended E 18th street.....would that make it easier to have a waterfront line loop, or no real impact either way? It's not designed to include or otherwise support anything other than a roadway bridge. In fact, I HATE the design. So I came up with my own.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 5, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, 3 Dog Pat said: With an extended E 18th street.....would that make it easier to have a waterfront line loop, or no real impact either way? My idea I've shown on here before, even though I have absolutely no power or say in the matter, is to build this E18 extension, and then have the Blue/Green/Waterfront loop go down E17. Have E17 be ONLY rail traffic. Also, obviously not all my ideas, mostly just combining other's into 1 project. Bump the healthline up to a streetcar/LRV set up. Then upgrade the B-Line Trolley to a circulator streetcar, but have it go down Euclid/E17 instead of Superior/E12. You don't have to follow the exact B-Line route along other portions, but I just drew it that way for consistency. You could just have it go down Lakeside to W3 or W9 potentially without the current bump up to Public Square in there. Having multiple lines running on different portions of the rail gives us a big cost savings and significantly more flexibility for our $$$, and as an Econ/Statistics/Procurement Analyst guy, we love those opportunities. It also gives the B-Line and Healthline trains an easy route back to the rail sheds, so we don't need to build another one somewhere Downtown. If we use the same trains RTA is currently ordering for both streetcars, the amount of flexibility RTA would have to adapt to different demand schedules and plan major events would be very high. Flexibility was one of the main reasons cities ditched rail for busses, so I think that's a huge win for this idea. This plus the E18 extension would likely cause a huge development boom in the Northeast portion of Downtown, and Downtown's population could double. That section goes from a pretty barren area with 2 bus routes to one of the best rail connected neighborhoods in the Midwest. There are so many parking lots and a lot of underused/empty spaces, most of the area is a blank slate for whatever a project could want. The map with all of the colored circles shows 5 minute walks from the proposed stops, so nearly all of Downtown is within a 5 minute walk of a stop outside of The Jake and NE of E23 and Payne. Edited June 5, 20241 yr by PlanCleveland
June 5, 20241 yr Thanks for the article Ken. On the surface this may be our best shot. The development area is massive, the parties complex and the dollars...well let's just say it's going to cost way more than the city has. The solution, as you noted is tapping local, state and federal funding. Throw in private money (Haslam) and we have a shot at finally addressing a long term problem. That's really the only way to do this. Time for some arm twisting by our politicians in Columbus and D.C. to get this thing going!
June 5, 20241 yr @KJP Really good article. I know there's been a lot of eye rolling (mostly not on this site) about Bibb's spending lots of money on study after study for the lakefront and Bibb's spending lots of time rubbing elbows with other politicians (including Biden and Buttigieg). But if we do get this funding, which would be huge, I think it would be the perfect example of why you do that kind of stuff. Because clearly the city has done the homework on exactly what they want to build and has at least attempted to build ties with the administration. Both of which should help chances of getting the grant.
June 5, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, KJP said: Cleveland seeks one big grant for lakefront connector, Shoreway Blvd, multimodal station By Ken Prendergast / June 5, 2024 In one of the largest single federal grant requests ever by the city of Cleveland, Mayor Justin Bibb’s administration is seeking $268 million from the federal government to tackle four main lakefront improvement projects simultaneously. The projects, which include reconfiguring the Shoreway highway into a boulevard with intersections, have the backing of the Ohio Department of Transportation (ODOT), Cuyahoga County and others. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/06/05/cleveland-seeks-one-big-grant-for-lakefront-connector-shoreway-blvd-multimodal-station/ So you're saying there's a chance 🙂 Thanks for the article. Some very very interesting variables to add to the equation, all of course bookended by uncertainty of the Killer B's: Browns and Burke. If Burke goes away does anyone think the plan calls for some some additional building height? I did really like how the Haslam plan used taller buildings to help bridge that downtown-lakefront gap.
June 6, 20241 yr 16 hours ago, KJP said: Thanks. Have faith, brother. It's not designed to include or otherwise support anything other than a roadway bridge. In fact, I HATE the design. So I came up with my own.... I'm wondering if the very car/commuter focused road design of the E18th extension has any connection to ODOT approval of the project. Could they have been in conversation behind the scenes? Would ODOT still have approved the project without this additional arterial? I don't know, perhaps their concern was really 100% the safety of the on/off ramps, but the way it was designed certainly seems like a bone thrown to commuters. Whether that bone was for ODOT or just more local political concerns, receiving ODOT's approval seems like a huge deal for this project. I'd wager It's much more likely to actual happen with their backing, or even just their lack of opposition. I'm glad to have it, and hopeful that this makes it to the finish line.
June 6, 20241 yr 16 hours ago, KJP said: Thanks. Have faith, brother. It's not designed to include or otherwise support anything other than a roadway bridge. In fact, I HATE the design. So I came up with my own.... Everyone else here: Cogent observations about the details of the proposal. Eric: Is that a B-17 behind the Signature hanger?
June 6, 20241 yr So looking at the history, it was designed to be a supplemental airfield for Hopkins Airport which now isn't necessary. The usage of the airport continues to decline and honestly it hinders plans for anything that is built on North Coast Harbor due to flight paths. I honestly struggle to see why we need this airport, it isn't like we live in a large metropolis like Chicago where the airports are spread extremely far apart or the big airport is at capacity.
June 6, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said: So looking at the history, it was designed to be a supplemental airfield for Hopkins Airport which now isn't necessary. The usage of the airport continues to decline and honestly it hinders plans for anything that is built on North Coast Harbor due to flight paths. I honestly struggle to see why we need this airport, it isn't like we live in a large metropolis like Chicago where the airports are spread extremely far apart or the big airport is at capacity. Yeah!!! We shouldn't try to grow. We should all root for Cleveland to get smaller and smaller and be a cute little quaint town--like Chagrin Falls!
June 6, 20241 yr 17 hours ago, KJP said: Cleveland seeks one big grant for lakefront connector, Shoreway Blvd, multimodal station By Ken Prendergast / June 5, 2024 In one of the largest single federal grant requests ever by the city of Cleveland, Mayor Justin Bibb’s administration is seeking $268 million from the federal government to tackle four main lakefront improvement projects simultaneously. The projects, which include reconfiguring the Shoreway highway into a boulevard with intersections, have the backing of the Ohio Department of Transportation (ODOT), Cuyahoga County and others. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/06/05/cleveland-seeks-one-big-grant-for-lakefront-connector-shoreway-blvd-multimodal-station/ With such a large project I assume this will be done in phases regardless (your reporting suggests there will be later phases anyway -- i.e. multimodal and track improvements), but is part of the strategy in applying for such a large grant that if we are only awarded a portion of the requested amount we can break off portions of these infrastructure improvements to complete now then seek additional grants later?
June 6, 20241 yr 54 minutes ago, Ethan said: I'm wondering if the very car/commuter focused road design of the E18th extension has any connection to ODOT approval of the project. Could they have been in conversation behind the scenes? ODOT was directly involved throughout. I believe they did the traffic analysis. That analysis showed that an intersection at East 9th would "fail" traffic-wise without the East 18th extension. 37 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said: So looking at the history, it was designed to be a supplemental airfield for Hopkins Airport which now isn't necessary. The usage of the airport continues to decline and honestly it hinders plans for anything that is built on North Coast Harbor due to flight paths. I honestly struggle to see why we need this airport, it isn't like we live in a large metropolis like Chicago where the airports are spread extremely far apart or the big airport is at capacity. FAA requires all Commercial Service Airports to have a reliever airport in the same geographical area and to meet specific design and size minimums with regards to runway length, tarmac area, hangar spaces and terminal spaces. Burke has it; other nearby airports don't. FAA probably will not allow Burke's closure until another nearby airport like Cuyahoga is expanded. 28 minutes ago, Luke_S said: With such a large project I assume this will be done in phases regardless (your reporting suggests there will be later phases anyway -- i.e. multimodal and track improvements), but is part of the strategy in applying for such a large grant that if we are only awarded a portion of the requested amount we can break off portions of these infrastructure improvements to complete now then seek additional grants later? I learned late last night there is more to this. There is another funding application. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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