August 29, 2024Aug 29 12 minutes ago, dwolfi01 said: As a Cleveland transplant I need to ask: have we ever got this far with any other lakefront plans? I have seen lots of talk about multiple plans over the decades and nothing coming of it. So I'm trying to understand at what point will this move further than anything in the past so I know when to start getting excited? No, i dont think we have ever gotten this far. Always alot of plans but never realistic funding. I just turned 65 and will soon "retire" back to CLE (Shaker Square area) and i have to say that im amazed by some current and future development plans. Lakefront, Riverfront, Scranton are the big 3. I never thought i would live to see any one of those three to fruition but here we are!
August 29, 2024Aug 29 to be fair. Rock hall, science center, browns stadium, blue line extension, e9 pier revamp was a pretty sizable project for the lakefront
September 2, 2024Sep 2 My family and I were visiting Pittsburgh and we saw the riverfront in the North Shore Neighborhood. It instantly reminded me of the potential of Settlers Landing (minus the navy ship due to a narrower river).
September 3, 2024Sep 3 Went to R&R hall of fame a few weeks ago. Was shocked they had some surface lots over there. There's a garage by the Science center and space to build another. Those surface lots would make for some great mixed use and boutique hotels that would help drive pedestrian traffic to the museums on that strip.
September 4, 2024Sep 4 22 hours ago, columbus17 said: Went to R&R hall of fame a few weeks ago. Was shocked they had some surface lots over there. There's a garage by the Science center and space to build another. Those surface lots would make for some great mixed use and boutique hotels that would help drive pedestrian traffic to the museums on that strip. This has been discussed over and over and over and over in this thread throughout the years. There are many reasons it hasn’t happened. Until the final plan for Browns stadium has been decided, nothing will be built, but it will happen eventually.
September 5, 2024Sep 5 https://www.cleveland.com/news/2024/09/cleveland-metroparks-partners-announce-world-class-community-sailing-center-to-open-in-2026.html?outputType=amp
September 5, 2024Sep 5 6 minutes ago, acd said: @BoomerangCleRes beat me to it Must have been seconds 😂
September 5, 2024Sep 5 Or two years... 😉 https://neo-trans.blog/2022/12/05/making-waves-on-clevelands-lakefront/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 5, 2024Sep 5 I noticed that there's a temporary Foundry outpost at 72nd St. boat launch when I was over there this past weekend. I figured it was to make up for the construction/closure of the access road to get to the old CG station, glad something more permanent is in the works.
September 5, 2024Sep 5 Just a PR rewrite with a few added tidbits.... Metroparks’ sailing center officially announced By Ken Prendergast / September 5, 2024 Cleveland Metroparks today officially revealed plans for the Patrick S. Parker Community Sailing Center, a community center coming to the East 55th Street Marina in Cleveland. The Sailing Center will be the first of its kind along Lake Erie in Ohio, providing unprecedented public access and sailing opportunities to the region. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/09/05/metroparks-sailing-center-officially-announced/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 6, 2024Sep 6 1 hour ago, yanni_gogolak said: Yikes.... Are you going to clarify this statement?
September 10, 2024Sep 10 On 9/6/2024 at 10:26 AM, MyPhoneDead said: Are you going to clarify this statement? Looks like a suburban office park building. Doesn't really evoke any sense of the use.
September 11, 2024Sep 11 Seems like a great addition to the lakefront. I wonder if visitors will be able to engage with sailing on the lake through this center.
September 16, 2024Sep 16 Just now, Luke_S said: Cleveland City Hall: Cleveland Mayor Justin Bibb makes moves toward closing Burke Lakefront Airport by Nick Castele September 16, 2024 Cleveland City Hall is releasing two studies that lay the groundwork for shutting down the airport, which occupies prime downtown land on the Lake Erie shoreline. ... The first study argues the economic hit of closing Burke is small and explores the benefits of redeveloping the land. The second study lays out multiple paths for shuttering the airport. The city has shared the results of both studies with the Federal Aviation Administration, which has the power to approve or deny an application to close Burke. If the FAA doesn’t bless a closure, Cleveland has another option: ask Congress for the OK to shut down Burke. https://signalcleveland.org/cleveland-mayor-justin-bibb-makes-moves-toward-closing-burke-lakefront-airport/ x-posting from the Burke thread
September 25, 2024Sep 25 14 hours ago, Chris314 said: I also think the Coast Guard station could be an amazing place if properly reactivated. A restaurant, a Lake Erie info center...something! Moving this to the Lakefront thread… Metroparks posted this update last week:
September 26, 2024Sep 26 Metroparks received nearly $3 million from the same grant program that awarded Irishtown Bend towards the purchase of Ontario Stone's land just south of Wendy Park. Per WKYC: Quote In addition to the $10.8 million for Irishtown Bend Park, Cleveland Metroparks also received a grant of $2.95 million from ORLP to support its purchase of the Ontario Stone Corp. property along the Cuyahoga River. "This funding is a significant step forward in acquiring the property that seeks to expand community access to waterfront green space. Cleveland Metroparks is in conversations with the property owner regarding the definitive purchase agreement and will continue to pursue additional funding sources towards the purchase," Cleveland Metroparks told 3News in an email.
September 26, 2024Sep 26 1 hour ago, acd said: Metroparks received nearly $3 million from the same grant program that awarded Irishtown Bend towards the purchase of Ontario Stone's land just south of Wendy Park. Per WKYC: Wow, I wonder if that is for all of Ontario Stone's land in that area? They have parcels on both sides of the river.
September 26, 2024Sep 26 30 minutes ago, coneflower said: Wow, I wonder if that is for all of Ontario Stone's land in that area? They have parcels on both sides of the river. I believe it’s just for the parcels identified in this article from earlier this year by @KJP https://neo-trans.blog/2024/03/21/metroparks-buying-more-cuyahoga-riverfront-land/
September 26, 2024Sep 26 @coneflower see below On 3/19/2024 at 4:09 PM, Ethan said: Bit of a controversial bomb in this month's Metroparks agenda. They are purchasing the Ontario Stone property on Whiskey Island. From the agenda: "Cleveland Metroparks has identified the Property as an important acquisition as it provides a protection and restoration opportunity along the Cuyahoga River and will add greenspace to an area identified as an Environmental Justice area and in a disadvantaged census tract as defined by the Climate & Economic Justice Screening Tool."
September 27, 2024Sep 27 d**k Pace parting with Cumberland portfolio. https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/developer-d**k-pace-takes-step-toward-leaving-business
October 16, 2024Oct 16 Boom! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 16, 2024Oct 16 Guessing you're going to give more details on the North Coast Connector tweet, Sherrod Brown sent out.
October 16, 2024Oct 16 Press Release from Sherrod Brown: https://www.brown.senate.gov/newsroom/press/release/sherrod-brown-secures-major-investment-for-the-north-coast-connector Sounds like $60 million investment.
October 16, 2024Oct 16 4 minutes ago, Geowizical said: Press Release from Sherrod Brown: https://www.brown.senate.gov/newsroom/press/release/sherrod-brown-secures-major-investment-for-the-north-coast-connector Sounds like $60 million investment. If this is a $60 million investment how much is left to be covered? He mentioned the land bridge, Multimodal center and freeway re-configuration.
October 16, 2024Oct 16 Cleveland gets $60M to redo Shoreway as boulevard By Ken Prendergast / October 16, 2024 Although it’s not the full $260 million federal grant that city of Cleveland officials had hoped to get for its lakefront vision, the $59.7 million it won today from U.S. Department of Transportation will knock down the first lakefront domino. Once knocked down, other aspects in the city’s plans can be funded and built. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/10/16/cleveland-gets-60m-to-redo-shoreway-as-boulevard/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 16, 2024Oct 16 If you read the article 10 minutes ago, read it again. Lots more has been added! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 16, 2024Oct 16 happy they got a large chunk of the funding. really wish they'd reconsider this portion, tho. I live across the street and there is not enough congestion to need two ramps within a couple hundred feet of each other. especially if the browns leave town and they tear down the stadium. I'd prefer they remove the lakeside ramp, personally.
October 16, 2024Oct 16 I also added this to the end of the article.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 16, 2024Oct 16 My understanding is that from about where I drew the red line --> east (following the arrow) is the start of the boulevard at grade which organically transitions from the Route 2 bridge. The circled portion is an intersection with a realigned Lakeside Ave, not a highway ramp. In fact, none of this is a highway ramp - unless I'm really wrong lol. Edit: KJP slightly beat me to it haha Edited October 16, 2024Oct 16 by Geowizical
October 16, 2024Oct 16 I think don't think it will be at-grade until the intersection - you're only giving them about a hundred feet to drop about 15 feet in elevation. the lakeside portion may even be elevated. was talking to one of the Osborne guys at their presentation a couple months ago and thats what he indicated. whether we call it a ramp or not. there are two streets where there only needs to be one that create an island of undevelopable land downtown. and the lakeside/summit street extension looks way too complex. Edited October 16, 2024Oct 16 by Whipjacka
October 16, 2024Oct 16 Quite frankly, and despite the fact that I follow the plans closely as presented on this site and other on line sources, it is really hard to understand and follow all this lakefront drama, including where exactly things are at after years of planning. It seems like forever that city council authorized 5 million for engineering studies, and that was when Haslam was still involved in the process. In any event, if I am reading Ken's article correctly, we only have 80 million in hand at this time for two separate projects (the land bridge and complete boulevard) with a current price tag of a half a billion dollars. I thought funding would be further along at this point. And this 500 million does not include the cost of the park and other amenities planned for the lakefront, nor the demolition of the Browns stadium which will run, modestly, in the tens of millions. Also don't forget all the public subsidies the lakefront private developers will be begging for at the appropriate time. Makes my head spin. Edited October 16, 2024Oct 16 by Htsguy
October 16, 2024Oct 16 Also need to factor in the future of the Main Avenue bridge which is nearing the end of its lifespan.
October 16, 2024Oct 16 21 minutes ago, Htsguy said: Quite frankly, and despite the fact that I follow the plans closely as presented on this site and other on line sources, it is really hard to understand and follow all this lakefront drama, including where exactly things are at after years of planning. It seems like forever that city council authorized 5 million for engineering studies, and that was when Haslam was still involved in the process. In any event, if I am reading Ken's article correctly, we only have 80 million in hand at this time for two separate projects (the land bridge and complete boulevard) with a current price tag of a half a billion dollars. I thought funding would be further along at this point. And this 500 million does not include the cost of the park and other amenities planned for the lakefront, nor the demolition of the Browns stadium which will run, modestly, in the tens of millions. Also don't forget all the public subsidies the lakefront private developers will be begging for at the appropriate time. Makes my head spin. Dunno if these are helpful at all but, some additional quotes from the Crain's Article in terms of funding/construction: "Still, Skinner said that $60 million is only a portion of the funds needed to build the connector and redesign the shoreway. He added that the connector project will include a complicated capital stack, but he believes the DOT grant will act as a catalyst to bring in other federal sources. Skinner also said the project will look at projected revenue coming from the lakefront tax increment financing (TIF) as a means to fund the remainder of the project." "The connector project and other aspects of the lakefront redevelopment will be able to start before all of the funds are assembled, which is a function of the plan’s build design method."
October 16, 2024Oct 16 Major infrastructure projects much like mega real estate projects seldom get all of their funding from one pot. Instead, they are multi layered and get built-in phases over time. Unlike mega real estate projects, many times not everything gets built in a big infrastructure vision like this. So you go after the parts that must get built first. And that's what the city is doing here. You cannot build the land bridge because the Shoreway is in the way. You cannot easily build the multimodal hub because the landbridge doesn't exist. Ditto for much of the waterfront enhancements. So they're building what they can and must build before they do anything else. Admittedly there is a lot to unpack here but it's fascinating to do. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 16, 2024Oct 16 2 minutes ago, KJP said: Major infrastructure projects much like mega real estate projects seldom get all of their funding from one pot I agree with @KJP. It's no different than the Riverfront plan...it's going to be a decade(s) long process. This is still huge though. The first step is always the hardest one to knock down. Plus, if I'm reading the article correctly, the multi-modal transit hub is funded by this as well? So I'd say a rebuilt Shoreway between W. 9th and E. 9th plus the transit hub is amazing. This is now a project, and no longer a plan!
October 16, 2024Oct 16 37 minutes ago, Geowizical said: Dunno if these are helpful at all but, some additional quotes from the Crain's Article in terms of funding/construction: "Still, Skinner said that $60 million is only a portion of the funds needed to build the connector and redesign the shoreway. He added that the connector project will include a complicated capital stack, but he believes the DOT grant will act as a catalyst to bring in other federal sources. Skinner also said the project will look at projected revenue coming from the lakefront tax increment financing (TIF) as a means to fund the remainder of the project." "The connector project and other aspects of the lakefront redevelopment will be able to start before all of the funds are assembled, which is a function of the plan’s build design method." This makes me even more excited for the announcement. Look I'm just going to say it, I'm 31 years old, Justin Bibb has been the best Mayor I've seen in Cleveland and for how much he has accomplished. Combine that with the innovative thinking and effort he has shown to get projects moving in only 3 years of being that Mayors in Cleveland would've only DREAMED to accomplish for their entire term is commendable. Is he perfect? No. No mayor is perfect but he has been about action and not just words, something that is very rare in this city. If he can even get 50% of this entire project built he would have done what no other mayor could accomplish, bring a lakefront vision to reality. This funding, while not flashy shows how serious he is about this vision along with the riverfront project.
October 16, 2024Oct 16 6 minutes ago, Dino said: I agree with @KJP. It's no different than the Riverfront plan...it's going to be a decade(s) long process. This is still huge though. The first step is always the hardest one to knock down. Plus, if I'm reading the article correctly, the multi-modal transit hub is funded by this as well? So I'd say a rebuilt Shoreway between W. 9th and E. 9th plus the transit hub is amazing. This is now a project, and no longer a plan! I agree with you that it will be a decades long process. Unfortunately, the problem is that it ALREADY HAS BEEN a decades long process. It should have been done by now.
October 16, 2024Oct 16 4 minutes ago, Htsguy said: I agree with you that it will be a decades long process. Unfortunately, the problem is that it ALREADY HAS BEEN a decades long process. It should have been done by now. Just because this is a lakefront project doesn't mean this is part of an already decades long process. What we had seen in the past was a series of ideas that seldom gained any serious traction. The 1980s-90s development of North Coast Harbor is one that actually did something. This one Has the potential to do more because it's off to a strong start. And Senator Brown said the multi modal hub was funded but I think that's only partially correct. It seems a piece of the hub was funded. The rest may be electioneering. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 16, 2024Oct 16 7 minutes ago, KJP said: Just because this is a lakefront project doesn't mean this is part of an already decades long process. What we had seen in the past was a series of ideas that seldom gained any serious traction. The 1980s-90s development of North Coast Harbor is one that actually did something. This one Has the potential to do more because it's off to a strong start. And Senator Brown said the multi modal hub was funded but I think that's only partially correct. It seems a piece of the hub was funded. The rest may be electioneering. It seems like one of the problems-and just one of many-is that the vision changes and is scraped as another administration comes in so all the previous work is for naught. Hell, sometimes the vision changes during the same administration. The small progress we have on the lake to date is very piecemeal and probably is poor urban planning as a result. Edited October 16, 2024Oct 16 by Htsguy
October 16, 2024Oct 16 23 minutes ago, Htsguy said: It seems like one of the problems-and just one of many-is that the vision changes and is scraped as another administration comes in so all the previous work is for naught. Hell, sometimes the vision changes during the same administration. The small progress we have on the lake to date is very piecemeal and probably is poor urban planning as a result. We all hold up Toronto as the epitome -- but every time a mayoral administration puts together a new transit plan, the next administration scraps it for their own, and then the next one redoes it. Transit projects that were first proposed decades ago are finally moving forward but in watered-down hybrid versions of their former incarnations. Point is, silly stuff happens everywhere, including in the cities we hold up as models. The past is done. A huge victory was achieved today. Let's look ahead. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 16, 2024Oct 16 Idk if people just have PTSD from past projects fizzling out or never even been close to fruition but I'm surprised at the reaction this news has been received on here.
October 16, 2024Oct 16 26 minutes ago, Htsguy said: It seems like one of the problems-and just one of many-is that the vision changes and is scraped as another administration comes in so all the previous work is for naught. Hell, sometimes the vision changes during the same administration. The small progress we have on the lake to date is very piecemeal and probably is poor urban planning as a result. Isn't the point of the Lakefront Development Corp specifically to avoid this?
October 16, 2024Oct 16 I just moved to Cleveland, so I've only traveled this part of the shoreway a few times, so just to get a clarification on the proposal... To use an example, driving from Ohio City to Beachland Ballroom... When I went Monday night, the shoreway/I-90 was entirely uninterrupted from W45th st to the E152nd St exit. Now there would be a light and intersection at W 3rd St? So coming from Ohio City, I'd stop, take a left on W 3rd, then take a right to continue on Hwy 2 / the shoreway out to I-90? Every time I've driven on the shoreway there's been almost no cars, so I cant imagine this will cause too much additional traffic or drive time going between the west and east sides... but like I said, I'm super new here, so I dont actually know that for sure
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