What exactly would someone running a convention that would consider the MMCC+(CBS) do in that space?  Is there a point where you have enough traditional convention space that creates a critical mass that such a large space like a football stadium makes sense and do we have it?  Would a refurbished Public Hall or convention sized hotel meeting/ballroom space be more practical given how much space the MMCC has?

 

I know there are a hundred other reasons a roofed/domed stadium is beneficial I'm just fairly oblivious to it's potential with a MMCC sized convention center.  Hell, I'm not entirely sure what they do with Indianapolis' stadium.

For what it's worth, the dome that sits over CSU's Krenzler Field is actually an air supported dome, meaning the interior has to be pressurized in order to hold it up.  I'm no engineer, but I have to believe there would need to be substantial modifications made to Browns Stadium itself beyond just attaching the dome in order to seal it up and pressurize it.  Not sure how much extra cost that would be.

Relocate a mile or two inland.  With the season stretched into January, football at Cleveland Browns Stadium is akin to ice fishing on Lake Erie.  Imagine if we were in the playoffs with 20 mph winds and nine degree temperatures at game time.

 

You don't have to imagine. Don't you remember? Or has it been so long since the Browns were in the playoffs that you kiddies don't remember/know what it was like to attend a Browns playoff game in January? I remember the Red Right 88 game in 1980 against Oakland. It was in the single digits and a strong wind off the lake. My brother was there. Or the 1987 playoff game against Indianapolis when it was in the teens and the wind chill was below zero. I was there for that game.

 

For what it's worth, the dome that sits over CSU's Krenzler Field is actually an air supported dome, meaning the interior has to be pressurized in order to hold it up.  I'm no engineer, but I have to believe there would need to be substantial modifications made to Browns Stadium itself beyond just attaching the dome in order to seal it up and pressurize it.  Not sure how much extra cost that would be.

 

If you chose and air-supported dome for Browns Stadium. But that's just one option. The option Corna proposed was a cable-supported retractable roof. The cable-support towers would be erected much like that of a cable-stayed bridge.

^He was talking about the possibility of doming off the lower deck only.

^He was talking about the possibility of doming off the lower deck only.

 

Are you his agent? Lawyer? Translator? :)

Cuyahoga County Executive Ed FitzGerald promises economic development in State of County address

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Cuyahoga County will use its share of casino taxes to remake Cleveland's lakefront, county Executive Ed FitzGerald said today in his second State of the County speech.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga-county/index.ssf/2012/02/cuyahoga_county_executive_promises_economic_development.html

 

I don't know where this was pulled from but the article you link to mentions nothing about the lakefront.

It does say "shoreline"

^He was talking about the possibility of doming off the lower deck only.

 

Are you his agent? Lawyer? Translator? :)

 

If he pays me enough I'll be his lawyer/agent/landscaper/bodyguard/professional masseuse, whatever.  It's rough out here, folks- a mod's gotta eat!

It does say "shoreline"

 

No it doesn't.

Way to go, jborger....

 

One of 12 points in what FitzGerald described as a "Western Reserve Plan," the proposal calls for the county to partner with nonprofit agencies, companies and other local governments to redevelop downtown and the shoreline.

I don't know why you guys need to be a dick to the guy, but if you check the google cache they edited the article.  The opening line used to read " Cuyahoga County will use its share of casino taxes to remake Cleveland's lakefront, county Executive Ed FitzGerald said today in his second State of the County speech."

I don't know why you guys need to be a dick to the guy, but if you check the google cache they edited the article.  The opening line used to read " Cuyahoga County will use its share of casino taxes to remake Cleveland's lakefront, county Executive Ed FitzGerald said today in his second State of the County speech."

 

Thanks, and thanks for pointing out the change. Just reread the article and it is completely different then before. And yes, just look at the three preview paragraphs from my original post.

 

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Cuyahoga County will use its share of casino taxes to remake Cleveland's lakefront, county Executive Ed FitzGerald said today in his second State of the County speech.

 

One of 12 points in what FitzGerald described as a "Western Reserve Plan," the proposal calls for the county to partner with nonprofit agencies, companies and other local governments to redevelop downtown and the shoreline.

 

About $18 million could be devoted to the area to draw tourists and businesses, once the Horseshoe Casino Cleveland and three other Ohio casinos are open.

I don't know why you guys need to be a dick to the guy, but if you check the google cache they edited the article.  The opening line used to read " Cuyahoga County will use its share of casino taxes to remake Cleveland's lakefront, county Executive Ed FitzGerald said today in his second State of the County speech."

 

Only I was being a dick to the guy. Leave the others out of it.

Someone needs to get over there and take some skyline shots! ;)

 

 

From river silt to natural habitat, Dike 14 officially opens as Cleveland Lakefront Nature Preserve: Michael K. McIntyre's Tipoff

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The 88-acre urban wildlife habitat on the Lake Erie shoreline formerly known as Dike 14 will officially open this afternoon as the Cleveland Lakefront Nature Preserve.

 

Hours are dawn until dusk. No box office. Parking available. No advanced notice necessary. Just show up to the preserve, adjacent to Gordon Park, walk the 1.3-mile looped trail, enjoy the variety of plants, birds and views, particularly from the "beak" that points toward the Cleveland skyline.

 

Today's ribbon-cutting is the result of decades of work, beginning with the first Cuyahoga River dredgings deposited there in 1976 by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/tipoff/index.ssf/2012/02/from_river_silt_to_natural_hab.html

It's about time they open that place up! I'm very excited to hike the trails there some time.

It's about time they open that place up! I'm very excited to hike the trails there some time.

 

Same, when I get back to Cleveland for a visit this is a must on the "to visit" list right behind the Cleveland Museum of Art.

Not sure how this qualifies as a 'nature preserve'....

From a PR e-mailed this evening......

 

Below are some quick highlights from tonight’s Cleveland City Council meeting. The agenda was fairly light, but the following were significant:

 

·        Council voted and passed Ord 9-12 Cleveland Browns Stadium Capital Repairs (16 Y, 2 N, 1 absent):

 

o    Authorizing the Director of Public Works to enter into an agreement with the Cleveland Browns concerning the making of capital repairs to the Cleveland Browns Stadium, including accepting the donation of plans and the advancement of funds from the Browns to make the repairs; determining the method of making the public improvement of constructing capital repairs to the Stadium; and authorizing the Director to enter into one or more public improvement contracts for the making of the improvement.

 

o  The Cleveland Browns are asking for $5.8 million this year for immediate repairs (Cleveland pays $850,000 annually for capital repairs). The Browns would lend Cleveland $5.8 million at 0% interest and the city would repay the team with money generated from the sin tax (source of funding to pay for the annual $850,000 repair payment).

 

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APPROVED:

Cleveland City Council OKs $5.8 million for stadium repairs

Published: Monday, February 06, 2012, 10:00 PM

Thomas Ott, The Plain Dealer

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The city has agreed to give the Cleveland Browns a $5.8 million lump sum for stadium repairs, but public officials worry about the source of such payments after a countywide tax for maintaining the building runs out in 2015.

 

City Council voted 16-2 Monday to let the team take the money from a city-administered tax on alcohol and tobacco sales. Cleveland, which leases the stadium to the football team, is required to provide only $850,000 a year for major improvements.

 

Browns general counsel Fred Nance, who represented the city when the lease was negotiated, said $850,000 was a compromise at the time the agreement was drawn up. He said the amount, equal to less than 1 percent of the building's $300 million construction cost, is not nearly enough to cover what he termed routine work.

 

The Browns want to use the nearly $6 million to refurbish seats and replace,  repair and wateproof concrete inside and outside the 12-year-old building. Osborn Engineering's Jack Krebs, hired by the team, blamed Northeast Ohio's often severe winters for the damage.

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2012/02/cleveland_city_council_oks_58.html

^

Uch

Momentum?

 

Cleveland lakefront plan could shore up riverbanks

Published: Wednesday, February 15, 2012, 2:00 PM   

Thomas Ott, The Plain Dealer

 

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Mayor Frank Jackson's lakefront development plan  could also benefit the Cuyahoga River.

 

The plan, which continued moving through City Council on Wednesday, is supposed to make it easy on investors by letting them clearly know who -- the city or the Cleveland-Cuyahoga County Port Authority -- controls which areas.

 

As part of the delineation, the port would take responsibility for maintaining 12 miles of riverbank -- 6 miles on each side of the navigable channel running inland from Lake Erie.

 

The city formerly handled the task, with mixed results. Some property owners have kept their retaining walls in solid condition, while others haven't been as diligent.

 

"There are ones that literally haven't been touched in a hundred years," Councilman Martin Keane, chairman of the Aviation and Transportation Committee, said in an interview.

 

While the port would control the lakefront from Cleveland Browns Stadium west to the river, the city would manage the stretch from the stadium east to the far edge of Burke Lakefront Airport. Drawings for the city's portion show restaurants, a hotel, offices, shops and a marina.

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2012/02/cleveland_council_committees_o.html

port's ceo makes planning parks, green space a top priority

 

http://www.freshwatercleveland.com/devnews/portofcleveland021612.aspx

 

When Will Friedman took the helm of the Cleveland-Cuyahoga County Port Authority in June 2010, he soon learned about Dike 14, an outcropping of land on Cleveland's east side that had been a dredging facility from 1979 until 1999. Friedman quickly realized that the Port could do more to transform this burgeoning wildlife paradise -- which was closed to the public due to environmental concerns -- into a world-class nature preserve.

 

 

I don't know if anyone noticed this, but in an article about Mayor Jackson's State of the City address was this interesting tidbit:

 

"And he said the Cleveland Indians and the Cavaliers have joined the Browns and the Cleveland Clinic in discussions about a "jointly branded" sports and medicine facility on the lakefront."

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2012/03/jackson_gives_state_of_the_cit.html

I don't know if anyone noticed this, but in an article about Mayor Jackson's State of the City address was this interesting tidbit:

 

"And he said the Cleveland Indians and the Cavaliers have joined the Browns and the Cleveland Clinic in discussions about a "jointly branded" sports and medicine facility on the lakefront."

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2012/03/jackson_gives_state_of_the_cit.html

 

Good catch!

 

I'm sincerely hoping this is truly on the fast track.

With all of the world class hospitals in the Cleveland area, I've always wondered why none of them have had a building downtown.  Hopefully this partnership will happen and the "sports and medicine facility on the lakefront" will become a reality!!!

Could be an interesting concept for a hotel tied to said sports health facility.  On site rooms for short-term recovery from procedures, including rehab gyms etc.    If strategically positioned the hotel could also serve other clientele of course too (like Med Mart visitors).

I'm just curious if this is the best use of our limited lakefront and if it maximizes the value of the lakefront.  Couldn't a medical rehab facility be placed anywhere downtown and still attract the same clientele?  I think I'm just misunderstanding the concept in general.  Would this sports facility be open to the public?

^ I was thinking the same thing

I'm just curious if this is the best use of our limited lakefront and if it maximizes the value of the lakefront.  Couldn't a medical rehab facility be placed anywhere downtown and still attract the same clientele?  I think I'm just misunderstanding the concept in general.  Would this sports facility be open to the public?

 

I agree. People are hungry to see anything happen on the lakefront.  Lets be choosy and see something that will really benefit from prime lakefront space.

A sports and medicine facility fits in with their concept of the lakefront -at least this section- the cornerstone being a center of health, activity and wellness. I'm thinking aquatic center, walking/jogging routes and public space would fit in also.

 

But as you guys correctly pointed out, because of the prime location any development absolutely must enhance and welcome public access to the lakeside, not restrict it.

 

In California, there are stringent laws to prevent blocking access to the coastline. Here in Ohio, the public has no such legal protection and we are completely at the whim of the developers. Not good.

 

For me personally, I would look to the Great Lakes Exposition for inspiration to build on (or recreate really). That was the best era for the Lakefront, however short.

 

There certainly is room in Cleveland for that classic, boardwalk type waterside magnet with arcades and promenades. A place like that would be an absolute goldmine here. We have been missing that kind of special attraction since Euclid Beach Park.

 

However, it doesn't look like North Coast Harbor is going that route though. But I can as least appreciate using the "sports and wellness" concept as building blocks. And we're going to need building blocks and some infrastructural ingenuity to connect the Lakefront to the rest of downtown. It won't succeed if it remains so isolated.

The exposition appears to have been a great time for Cleveland.  My question is - why was it so short lived and what can we learn from that experience in planning our future?

Is there a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame thread? I didn't find one.

 

$6.9 million redesign reinvigorates the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum

They're seeing red at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum.

 

"Real Red," to be exact. That's the name of the eye-popping shade of Sherwin-Williams paint that now adorns the entry to the Hall of Fame itself, on the museum's third floor.

 

The inner sanctum, where the signatures of inductees are etched in glass, used to have a minimalist white exterior. Some visitors ended up overlooking it.

 

"Surprisingly enough, people used to write to us all the time and go, 'You ought to have a Hall of Fame,' " says Terry Stewart, president and CEO of the not-for-profit institution.

 

"I thought, 'Oh, boy.' I hope they don't miss it now."

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/popmusic_impact/print.html?entry=/2012/03/69_million_redesign_reinvigora.html

The exposition appears to have been a great time for Cleveland.  My question is - why was it so short lived and what can we learn from that experience in planning our future?

 

Now that's a worthwhile study.

 

I think what I love most was the idea that Cleveland could accomplish anything; that there was a bold sense of pride along the shoreline. That, and the connectivity from downtown was not only effective but visually dramatic.

 

At least, that's the feeling I get when I see those photographs. 

 

But one answer to your question could be the architecture wasn't designed to last, which is just unfortunate. Might be a parallel, but in Chicago the stunning worlds fair architecture was actually made of straw. 

I would love to at least see the pedestrian bridge get started. I did some googling and nothing yet!! Just that it's expected to start in 2012:/

^^ Yes, these buildings were made to look permanent, but the whole thing was about as real as a movie set.  It was never designed to be anything but a temporary exposition.

^^which bridge are you talking about?  Did they move forward on that large half-covered bridge linking the mall to the rock hall/glsc?

This link from 2011 shows they have most of the funding...

http://blog.cleveland.com/architecture/2011/06/a_trio_of_pedestrian_bridges_p.html

 

"The North Coast Harbor bridge, which is closest to realization, will be funded by $4.5 million in federal money, plus $1 million in matching funds from the city. The bridge is intended to connect Voinovich Park at the north end of E. 9th Street to the finger pier extending from the west side of the harbor, just north of the Great Lakes Science Center. When closed, the bridge will create a loop trail around the harbor, making it far more pedestrian-friendly."

I think each of the 3 whiskey island proposals look great. I think I'm leaning toward the traditional suspension. I forgot about this article, very insightful comments by Litt.

 

Thanks for posting!!

Cleveland lakefront development plan to be considered tonight by City Council

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Cleveland City Council tonight will consider the nuts and bolts of the a lakefront redevelopment plan proposed by Mayor Frank Jackson.

 

The plan (see full plan in document viewer below) covers 90 acres stretching east from the Port of Cleveland's cargo docks past Browns Stadium and the East Ninth Street pier to Burke Lakefront Airport.

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2012/03/cleveland_lakefront_developmen.html

Is this the new Marina that is being built or something else? It's by the East 9th Street freeway exit by the airport

^New coast guard station.

 

^New coast guard station.

 

Thanks Much Appreciated Do You Know A Completion Date?

^Fall 2012

 

http://greatlakes.coastguard.dodlive.mil/2010/11/groundbreaking-a-new-day-for-clevelands-coast-guard-facilities/

From a heads-up e-mailed by Cleveland City Council Communications Director James Kopniske:

 

·        Ord 1605, 1606 & 1608 (Lakefront legislation) were voted and passed by Council on Monday.

 

I've saved and downloaded a brief overview of these three pieces of legislation at....

 

http://tinyurl.com/8yt6atv

 

This has been discussed here in this forum for a couple of months, having gone through the regular readings of the titles at three separate council meetings instead of being passed on emergency (without the three readings which is pretty common, actually).

 

 

 

For all that can't be moved in that area - airport, seaport - the coast guard station was something that COULD have moved. That spot would be better suited for so much more.

 

Crying over spilt milk, I know, but it wouldn't be Urban Ohio without it!

For all that can't be moved in that area - airport, seaport - the coast guard station was something that COULD have moved. That spot would be better suited for so much more.

 

Crying over spilt milk, I know, but it wouldn't be Urban Ohio without it!

 

Well, my only point of contention would be if the Coast Guard station is an impediment to public access.  My suspicion is that it

will be surrounded by barbed wire just like before - and I really hope I'm wrong about this.

 

Instead the best idea would be to allow for as much public access as possible. The best recruitment tool for the Coast Guard would

be to locate along the future walking path. They could use the facility as an educational resource.

 

Where I grew up in Jersey the Coast Guard was everywhere, and a big part of the culture. Their facilities weren't blockaded with fences and

security guards. At least not in my neck of the woods.

 

 

 

^ No barbed wire

 

I like the idea of the glass arcade connecting the RRHOF with the GLSC

If I recall correctly, the plan is to keep the new coast guard station fenced off. (Though I'd be surprised if it's not at least a nicer looking fence.)

 

I'm sure it could have been moved, but since they already own the land, it's probably cheaper to just stay there. Also it's more convenient for the Coast Guard as their regional HQ is in the Federal Building (there's a fair amount of foot traffic up and down East 9th of guys in blue uniforms throughout the day.)

Lakefront Plan Approved

 

Finally this is about to get off of the ground it is looong overdue!!! Looking at the drawings in the video I would say this is an impressive plan that is in place and 5-10 years for development to be complete isn't too bad!

 

http://fox8.com/2012/03/19/clevelands-lakefront-plan-put-to-a-vote/