March 14, 201411 yr ^as a downtown resident I can confidently say no. The wind downtown has no mercy no matter where you are. 90% of the time, The lakefront is no worse than Euclid ave.
March 14, 201411 yr Just saw in the PD, the city has selected a developer for the lakefront project. It's split into three phases starting in 2015. Includes 1,050-1,250 new apartments, a public school, an 80,000 sqft office building, and a marina. http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/03/dick_pace_trammell_crow_tapped.html#incart_river_default "We're past the drawing stage and the conceptual stage, and we're into the implementation stage, which is a great step," the developer said. "After 30 years of planning and discussion, we're now talking about implementation."\ It's too late...we've been numbed into unconsciousness over this ha ha.
March 14, 201411 yr ^Michelle really does a good job of reporting and laying out all the relevant information. As far as this happening (and I think I am one of the more positive people on the board)...hopefully before I die. Michelle does do a great job. She got the exclusive scoop on this story. I am wondering what Stan Bullard would have given to get this news story on the cover of Crains as an exclusive...
March 14, 201411 yr Honestly, of all the lakefront plans, this one is probably my least favorite. At least previous plans had something resembling a street grid north of the stadium. From the article: As far as Pace is concerned, his project is real. It won't necessarily look like the drawings. The building footprints might shift. And there's no real architecture yet. But the basic premise -- and the commitment -- won't change.
March 14, 201411 yr Honestly, of all the lakefront plans, this one is probably my least favorite. At least previous plans had something resembling a street grid north of the stadium. Why would you want a street grid that close to the water. Bringing cars all the way down there wastes valuable real estate on parking, whether it's surface or structures.
March 14, 201411 yr ^Michelle really does a good job of reporting and laying out all the relevant information. As far as this happening (and I think I am one of the more positive people on the board)...hopefully before I die. Michelle does do a great job. She got the exclusive scoop on this story. I am wondering what Stan Bullard would have given to get this news story on the cover of Crains as an exclusive... Michelle does an excellent job and for our sake I hope that the PD can hang on to her.
March 14, 201411 yr Honestly, of all the lakefront plans, this one is probably my least favorite. At least previous plans had something resembling a street grid north of the stadium. Why would you want a street grid that close to the water. Bringing cars all the way down there wastes valuable real estate on parking, whether it's surface or structures. I just really hate cul de sacs. Maybe it's irrational, but I just HATE seeing them in urban areas.
March 14, 201411 yr I would like to propose a two year moratorium on the on the reply "IMO it will never be built, because it has never been built". We get it, if you have some real information I'd love to hear it...
March 15, 201411 yr Honestly, of all the lakefront plans, this one is probably my least favorite. At least previous plans had something resembling a street grid north of the stadium. Why would you want a street grid that close to the water. Bringing cars all the way down there wastes valuable real estate on parking, whether it's surface or structures. I just really hate cul de sacs. Maybe it's irrational, but I just HATE seeing them in urban areas. Nothing irrational about hating cul de sacs. This is URBAN Ohio. IMO they're ok in this case though.
March 15, 201411 yr Honestly, of all the lakefront plans, this one is probably my least favorite. At least previous plans had something resembling a street grid north of the stadium. Why would you want a street grid that close to the water. Bringing cars all the way down there wastes valuable real estate on parking, whether it's surface or structures. I just really hate cul de sacs. Maybe it's irrational, but I just HATE seeing them in urban areas. I could agree with that. Maybe a one-way street encircling the development, with the main north/south and east/west paths down the middle two-way.
March 15, 201411 yr ^as a downtown resident I can confidently say no. The wind downtown has no mercy no matter where you are. 90% of the time, The lakefront is no worse than Euclid ave. Because there no urban canyons to funnel the wind along the lakefront. But put a canyon next to a friction-less feature like the lake and I think your statement is no longer accurate. That's why whatever is designed there has to knock the wind down at the water's edge. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 15, 201411 yr Honestly, of all the lakefront plans, this one is probably my least favorite. At least previous plans had something resembling a street grid north of the stadium. Why would you want a street grid that close to the water. Bringing cars all the way down there wastes valuable real estate on parking, whether it's surface or structures. I just really hate cul de sacs. Maybe it's irrational, but I just HATE seeing them in urban areas. I could agree with that. Maybe a one-way street encircling the development, with the main north/south and east/west paths down the middle two-way. I 100% agree that I hate seeing cul-de-sacs in urban areas...but this doesn't bother me. The cul-de-sacs limit the amount of infrastructure that this development will require, lowering costs. And I don't really care to have a street along the lake. Why not make it manicured and pedestrian-only? Cul-de-sacs are terrible because they limit connectivity of various neighborhoods. But adding a street grid all the way around won't add any connectivity to this development. It borders the lake.
March 15, 201411 yr city of cleveland selects lakefront developer to create true mixed-use neighborhood Pace originally planned about 80,000 square feet of office space with smaller, 5,000-10,000 square foot users in mind, but he's already been contacted by a few bigger players. He says that the city could end up with a few bigger companies, including some that are currently located in the suburbs, along the lakefront. http://freshwatercleveland.com/devnews/lakefrontplan031414.aspx
March 15, 201411 yr Honestly, of all the lakefront plans, this one is probably my least favorite. At least previous plans had something resembling a street grid north of the stadium. Why would you want a street grid that close to the water. Bringing cars all the way down there wastes valuable real estate on parking, whether it's surface or structures. I just really hate cul de sacs. Maybe it's irrational, but I just HATE seeing them in urban areas. I could agree with that. Maybe a one-way street encircling the development, with the main north/south and east/west paths down the middle two-way. I 100% agree that I hate seeing cul-de-sacs in urban areas...but this doesn't bother me. The cul-de-sacs limit the amount of infrastructure that this development will require, lowering costs. And I don't really care to have a street along the lake. Why not make it manicured and pedestrian-only? Cul-de-sacs are terrible because they limit connectivity of various neighborhoods. But adding a street grid all the way around won't add any connectivity to this development. It borders the lake. How about something like this? Basically the same idea as what Mendo made, but with the street along the lake being pedestrian-only. A grid plan would at least make it easier to connect this neighborhood with potential expansion to the west (if the port ever moves). Also, where is the Mather Steamship in this plan?
March 19, 201411 yr Kasich team recommends nearly $130 million in state money for NE Ohio projects By JAY MILLER 2:23 pm, March 18, 2014 The administration of Gov. John Kasich is recommending the General Assembly spend nearly $130 million on capital projects in Northeast Ohio. The biennial capital budget released Tuesday, March 18, shows $98.2 million going to the region's state universities and $31.6 million dealt out to parks and community projects in the seven-county area. The renovation of the Cleveland waterfront was a big winner, though not as big as local boosters had hoped. The budget shows the state kicking in $5 million toward the $47 million needed for a pedestrian bridge to connect the Lake Erie waterfront with the rest of downtown, and $3.5 million to help pay for a $16.7 million riverfront park on the east bank of the Flats. The Greater Cleveland Partnership, which coordinated a community wish list, had sought $7 million for the lakefront redevelopment and $6 million for the riverfront park. READ MORE AT: http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20140318/FREE/140319776 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 19, 201411 yr $47 million for a walking / biking bridge? but the one on this proposal to Wendy Park is only $5.7 million. http://rgabridges.com/docs/projectSheets/pedestrian/R+P_lakefront-connector-pedestrian-bridge.pdf Anybody have some info one what the extra $39 mill gets you?
March 19, 201411 yr $47 million for a walking / biking bridge? but the one on this proposal to Wendy Park is only $5.7 million. http://rgabridges.com/docs/projectSheets/pedestrian/R+P_lakefront-connector-pedestrian-bridge.pdf Anybody have some info one what the extra $39 mill gets you? See: http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/grants/tiger4/Project%20Narrative/Project%20Narrative.pdf Didn't it include a parking garage? Or was that just for the Tiger funding? The $5 million is for the walkways only as they have no revenue stream to support a construction bond issue. The rest of the parking facility will be paid for by a bond issue retired by parking revenues. No federal TIGER funding could be secured for this project despite three attempts. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 5, 201411 yr Re: the bridge. I will always be obsessed with that bridge and if there was any discussion at the time to keep it, or replace it with a more permanent one. I would love to know if that was ever considered. I have looked thru articles from that period and have come up empty. I just think that's the bridge we need to build again and honor the past.
April 5, 201411 yr Re: the bridge. I will always be obsessed with that bridge and if there was any discussion at the time to keep it, or replace it with a more permanent one. I would love to know if that was ever considered. I have looked thru articles from that period and have come up empty. I just think that's the bridge we need to build again and honor the past. I seem to recall the bridge frame remained but was unused for a few more years. But I think it was dismantled during the war -- possibly for its steel to be melted down and used in the war effort. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 18, 201411 yr Shipping related news is at: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,1795.msg704708.html#msg704708 Save this thread for planning, development, construction etc. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 1, 201411 yr http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/05022014/index.php City Planning Commission Agenda for May 2, 2014 Ordinance No. xxx-14(Ward 3/Councilmember Cimperman): Authorizing the Director of Port Control to execute agreements and such other documents as may be appropriate to enter into an exclusive Multi-Phased Option to Lease Agreement and subsequent Lease Agreements with a to-be-formed Delaware limited liability company owned by Cumberland Lakefront, LLC, an Ohio limited liablity company and High Street Cleveland Lakefront, Inc., a Delaware limited liability company for real property commonly known as the Harbor West Docks, and three sites at North Coast Harbor - the Grass and Steps, the Skate Park and the Voinovich parking lot, totaling approximately 21 acres of real property. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 1, 201411 yr So Cumberland is a Dick Pace company. What about High Street? SOS papers filed in February lead back to Dallas.
May 1, 201411 yr Well, the ball is officially rolling. Let's see how far, and how fast, this mult-phase project gets. I'm actually beginning to warm up to it a bit more.
May 1, 201411 yr Glad to see progress. That "Site C" terminus of the gerbil tube could be crucial to help in getting some inkling of foot-traffic connectivity started down there.
May 2, 201411 yr So Cumberland is a Dick Pace company. What about High Street? SOS papers filed in February lead back to Dallas. That's Trammell Crow, Pace's partner on the project. Crow seems to be high on NEO since they are also working with the Clinic on a couple different projects in the region.
May 7, 201411 yr Cleveland City Council to hold hearing on proposed lakefront development (LIVE coverage) CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Cleveland City Council will consider legislation this morning authorizing the next steps in what could become one of Mayor Frank Jackson’s legacy projects – the development of the lakefront. The legislation, which will come before Council’s Transportation & Development and Planning & Sustainability committees, would authorize the Director of Port Control to enter an option to lease agreement with a to-be-formed company owned by Cumberland Lakefront LLC and High Street Cleveland Lakefront Inc., a subsidiary of Trammell Crow Co. of Dallas. More at: http://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/index.ssf/2014/05/cleveland_city_council_to_hold.html#incart_river_default Updates in the comments section https://www.instagram.com/cle_and_beyond/https://www.instagram.com/jbkaufer/
May 7, 201411 yr "@mjarboe: Critical to have phased development - not build all at once. Grow like an organic community, Dick Pace says re: #CLE lakefront project." "@mjarboe: Dick Pace believes addition of school to #CLE lakefront plan (w/ apartments, offices, retail) will help project stand out, keep YPs in city." "@mjarboe: Legislation re: #CLE lakefront deal shows city anticipates 1-year option-to-lease deal w/ Cumberland/Trammell Crow team for phase 1." "@mjarboe: Phase III #CLE lakefront site would fall under 4-year option-to-lease deal between city, Cumberland/Trammell Crow JV. 6 acres, Dock 28." "@mjarboe: Right now, Cumberland/Trammell Crow plan does NOT include a hotel. Focused on apartments, with some office, retail, school." "@mjarboe: Dick Pace says question of adding hotel to #CLE lakefront plan came up since his team was picked to pursue development. Studies in progress." "@mjarboe: Our at-a-glance explanation of what Dick Pace/Trammell Crow envision on downtown #CLE's lakefront. http://t.co/CQKIx0EIMC" "@mjarboe: Developer Dick Pace mentions interest from a "major restaurant owner" in being a part of downtown #CLE lakefront development." "@mjarboe: We want to see this be public space that everyone gets a chance to enjoy, out to the water, developer Dick Pace says re: #dtCLE lakefront." "@mjarboe: Of course, this all depends on due diligence. Option period will give #CLE lakefront team chance to dig into site, see what's feasible." "@mjarboe: Developer Dick Pace lauds Wolsteins, Fairmount for getting Flats East Bank project phase II where it is. Helps #CLE lakefront exploration." "@mjarboe: Going to be marketing to people who want to ride their bike, get out on Sundays and go for 20-mile ride, says #CLE lakefront developer." "@mjarboe: #CLE lakefront developer Dick Pace notes that project renderings are meant to convey feeling - architecture, design far from final." "@mjarboe: To us, the process is as important as the project, developer Dick Pace says re: #CLE lakefront opportunity." Had I known she'd be tweeting so much, I'd just link to her Twitter feed! :) For more, read her twitter feed or eventual article. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 14, 201411 yr If you wondered what happened to the proposed pedestrian lift bridge for North Coast Harbor, this gives some indication it's still a going concern. It will have a bridge operator's building.... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2014/05162014/051514_DRACagenda.pdf Downtown/Flats Design Review District Agenda May 15, 2014 9:30am City Hall, Room 514, 601 Lakeside Avenue 2. DF2014-029 – North Coast Harbor Bridge Operator’s Building: Concept Approval Project Location: East 9th Street Pier Project Representative: Paul Volpe, City Architecture Here's where it will be...... This is what the bridge is proposed to look like.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 14, 201411 yr ^Yes I hope it's that one, which was one of the three designs for the bridge. But over at the RosalesPartner's site they show one of the other designs on their projects page. Regarding the operators building, I am not sure where I saw it but there will be a space inside of that wonderful Paul Volpe inspired 'study in crappy architecture' outhouse that is pictured in the NorthCoastHarbor thread. Which is part of their reasoning that the building is positioned where it is so the bridge operator has a clear view. The bridge is supposedly fully funded and shows a 2015 completion date.
May 15, 201411 yr 50 boat slips will be ready for docking this summer at the Transient Marina @NCoastHarbor #ThisisCLE pic.twitter.com/dRSiKrhhEz "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 16, 201411 yr Not sure if this is of interest to anyone, but in Taiwan they think they've solved the issue of having an industrial port and water front parkland live side by side. Though in this case they solved it by building man made hills over the top of the port. Very creative solution that would work great in Cleveland and would allow the Port Authority to stay where they are. Ummm, but it does look like it would be very expensive to build! Here's a link to the article announcing the architectural design competition winner, and I also included some pictures of the winning solution -> http://www.designboom.com/architecture/junya-ishigami-port-of-kinmen-passenger-service-center-competition-05-13-2014/
May 29, 201411 yr A bit of cross-posting since the Coast Guard Station was in the "abandoned projects" forum. http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/05/cleveland_metroparks_considers.html Cleveland Metroparks considers fixing historic Coast Guard station The Cleveland Metroparks commissioners this morning will consider legislation that could bring the historic U.S. Coast Guard Station back to life. The action item would authorize acceptance of a $50,000 grant from the ubiquitous Cleveland Foundation to study the feasibility of such an undertaking. The park system would have to commit an equal sum. The agenda for today's board meeting says that preliminary estimates put the restoration cost at $6 million. The legislation makes no mention of ownership. It remains in the possession of the city of Cleveland, which used a $500,000 grant in 2009 to seal up the building and stabilize years of decay and neglect.
June 1, 201411 yr I was down at North Coast Harbor on Saturday and checked out the new marina. It looks like it is very close to opening. There was still some scaffolding, but the paddle boats were all lined up, so I am guessing the time is close. There was also some event going on at the park that was very cool.
June 1, 201411 yr Did they finally clean up that area where the Goodtime was docked before? Bunch of floating debris in the corner, and I'm sure they weren't too worried about it due to construction of the marina. Thanks for the pics
June 1, 201411 yr I'd say most of the debris is cleared, but not all. I would imagine by this time next week it should be completely clean.
June 2, 201411 yr Other than the paddleboats in one of the above photos, which I assume will be for rent, is/will there be a place to rent a motor boat by the hour, say for 4-6 people, at the Harbor?
June 2, 201411 yr I believe you used to be able to rent a boat on the river near Shooters. However, I know that does not answer your question.
June 2, 201411 yr Great Lakes Watersports http://www.glwatersports.com/Pages/default.aspx I haven't rented in a few years, but the last time I did their equipment was kind of ratted out given the fees. But must be a tough business in Cleveland with only a few months of decent weather to recoup the investment.
June 6, 201411 yr From a real estate industry publication..... Seeing a bright future for Cleveland’s lakefront June 06, 2014 | Dan Rafter Here is what city officials envision when they picture the future of Cleveland’s lakefront. Cleveland’s lakefront will soon get a makeover, and three firms that have long done business in this city will be at the center of the project. The city of Cleveland has approved plans to develop more than 20 acres of lakefront property near the central business district. Cumberland Development and Trammel Crow — operating jointly as Cumberland Lakefront, LLC — will develp the project. Bellwether Enterprise Real Estate Capital will handle the loan-origination and financing end of the $700 million project. City officials envision more than 1,000 apartment units, 800 parking spaces, 80,000 square feet of office space, 60,000 square feet of retail space and a boutique hotel coming to the lakefront. A charter school serving Cleveland residents who live downtown will also be an important part of the project. READ MORE AT: http://www.rejournals.com/2014/06/06/seeing-a-bright-future-for-clevelands-lakefront/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 6, 201411 yr From a real estate industry publication..... Seeing a bright future for Cleveland’s lakefront June 06, 2014 | Dan Rafter Here is what city officials envision when they picture the future of Cleveland’s lakefront. Cleveland’s lakefront will soon get a makeover, and three firms that have long done business in this city will be at the center of the project. The city of Cleveland has approved plans to develop more than 20 acres of lakefront property near the central business district. Cumberland Development and Trammel Crow — operating jointly as Cumberland Lakefront, LLC — will develp the project. Bellwether Enterprise Real Estate Capital will handle the loan-origination and financing end of the $700 million project. City officials envision more than 1,000 apartment units, 800 parking spaces, 80,000 square feet of office space, 60,000 square feet of retail space and a boutique hotel coming to the lakefront. A charter school serving Cleveland residents who live downtown will also be an important part of the project. READ MORE AT: http://www.rejournals.com/2014/06/06/seeing-a-bright-future-for-clevelands-lakefront/ I'm convinced that Browns fans will be tripping over themselves to either buy or to urge friends to snap up apartments by the Stadium.
June 6, 201411 yr I'm convinced that Browns fans will be tripping over themselves to either buy or to urge friends to snap up apartments by the Stadium. For many of them, it's their only experience with downtown and will probably think this development is the end-all, be-all of urban living. It's a little too spic-n-span for me. I prefer a little grit. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 6, 201411 yr Yep, I am with KJP on this one. Delighted to see the development happening, but at the same time a tad concerned it ends up as Crocker Park-on-the-Lake.
June 6, 201411 yr Reminds me alot of Pittsburgh's development by their stadiums. I was just there this week, and it looks like they've started a second phase also.
June 6, 201411 yr Yep, I am with KJP on this one. Delighted to see the development happening, but at the same time a tad concerned it ends up as Crocker Park-on-the-Lake. Well, how couldn't it look like Crocker Park on the Lake? There's nothing there, nothing to work with. No existing "grit". Crocker Park, in all honesty", is laid out in an urban setting. It may look hokey simply because everythings new and dosen't show that aging beauty. If we could create a main street on the lakefront with ground level retail, and residences above in several midrise buildings, I would be very pleased. Heck, 150 years ago, I bet alot of Cleveland looked like Crocker Park if we had the luxary of color photography at that time.
June 6, 201411 yr No question. I'm just anticipating (ie: putting words in the mouths of) suburban and out-of-county visitors to Browns stadium who'll see this development and think it's what a downtown should be. In 75 years when I'm 122 years old, then I'll see this development as something that appeals to me as a "genuine downtown neighborhood." :) "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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