July 14, 20195 yr and you may not be taking into consideration that millennials are not as interested in owning automobiles....
July 14, 20195 yr Does anyone know if Cities with rail systems collaborate with Uber and Lyft and offer a discount or bundle deal for riding both and basically using Lyft or Uber as a connector?
July 14, 20195 yr 2 hours ago, Pugu said: ^I hope you're right! But the bus has to be frequent enough. The last time I tried to take the bus, it was crazy. I took the Red Line from the Terminal Tower to West Blvd then tried to connect to a Detroit Ave bus into Lakewood. I waited and waited and then WALKED to Lakewood. I finally saw the first bus when I was already a few blocks in. And this was a weekday, 6pm. Never again. I guess one hope for the rail system is, now, I could have taken the train to West Blvd, then jumped into a Lyft or Uber---those companies weren't around then, or if they were, were not widely used. PS--that's great, though, that you take the bus even when you (likely) have options. Hope there are more out there like you than me! The 26-Detroit is a very unreliable bus route. I waited a few minutes for it after taking the Red Line home from the All-star game, but decided to instead take the 66R bus to West 117th and catch the 78 to the Gold Coast. Worked much better. As much as I would like to see the Waterfront Line extended as a downtown loop around the East Side of the CBD, there's also a part of me that would like to see the Waterfront Lin extended North East along the Shoreway and the tracks (which are used more by Amtrak than by freight trains) as part of a focused effort to incentivize high-rise housing between downtown and Bratenahl. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 15, 20195 yr 5 hours ago, KJP said: The 26-Detroit is a very unreliable bus route. I waited a few minutes for it after taking the Red Line home from the All-star game, but decided to instead take the 66R bus to West 117th and catch the 78 to the Gold Coast. Worked much better. As much as I would like to see the Waterfront Line extended as a downtown loop around the East Side of the CBD, there's also a part of me that would like to see the Waterfront Lin extended North East along the Shoreway and the tracks (which are used more by Amtrak than by freight trains) as part of a focused effort to incentivize high-rise housing between downtown and Bratenahl. In an ideal world, I'd love for the waterfront to complete the loop and for a separate line to go along those tracks. Have it start in Lakewood near the Gold Coast and follow the tracks east, diverge to stop at tower city, then continue along the waterfront line tracks, but branch off and keep heading east along the shoreway all the way to MLK. It would definitely support development and park usage from Edgewater Beach to the downtown lakefront to Gordon Park. Maybe throw in a mostly direct bus along MLK from the Gordon Park location down to the Cedar University station to tie it all together with the red line and University Circle. In an ideal world...
July 15, 20195 yr Here is a birds-eye view of the tall ships snapped by my son as I flew the approach to 6L at BKL today.
July 15, 20195 yr It appears that the Tall Ships festival was a big success. Does anyone know for sure?
July 15, 20195 yr 5 hours ago, KJP said: The 26-Detroit is a very unreliable bus route. I waited a few minutes for it after taking the Red Line home from the All-star game, but decided to instead take the 66R bus to West 117th and catch the 78 to the Gold Coast. Worked much better. As much as I would like to see the Waterfront Line extended as a downtown loop around the East Side of the CBD, there's also a part of me that would like to see the Waterfront Lin extended North East along the Shoreway and the tracks (which are used more by Amtrak than by freight trains) as part of a focused effort to incentivize high-rise housing between downtown and Bratenahl. I would like to see rail under Detroit via the bridge. Create a transfer/connection station at 98 street and have the line run as a light rail on Clifton. At the same time, extend the light rail east to at least 55 street. also, reintroduce express service from TC to Shaker Square.
July 15, 20195 yr Looks like a nice crowd! So much potential down there. Credit to Aerial Agents for the photos below: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2861555197249911&id=616358491769604&sfnsn=mo
July 15, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, West153 said: Looks like a nice crowd! So much potential down there. Credit to Aerial Agents for the photos below: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2861555197249911&id=616358491769604&sfnsn=mo Agreed lots of potential. Plus, I think the new Lakefront plans might actually allow for Tall Ships to still be feasible should they come back in the future. From what it appears, there would still enough green space to put up the tents (as I drew in below, probably not to scale) and lakefront walking paths to line the ships up along (the ships probably aren't to scale either). I'm curious how this new development would affect Tall Ships in the future...
July 16, 20195 yr 6 hours ago, Terdolph said: Man, living there on those docks in winter would be brutal. Wouldn’t be much worse than the rest of downtown. I went to CSU undergrad + grad and lived on Euclid near E 4 most of it. The wind tunnels can get seriously crazy in really low temps.
July 16, 20195 yr 7 hours ago, Terdolph said: Man, living there on those docks in winter would be brutal. Ever been to Toronto?
July 16, 20195 yr Or literally anywhere on the lakefront in Cleveland's western suburbs/Edgewater, or Bratenahl? Lakefront living has been proven to be quite desirable right here in Greater Cleveland.
July 16, 20195 yr I live 3 blocks from the lake. There is a big difference between Cleveland and Toronto - in Toronto the prevailing winds are not off the lake.
July 16, 20195 yr Has anyone here ever been to Bay Village? Or Brahtenal? Or Rocky River? Or Avon Lake? Or Lakewood north of Clifton? We don't have to reach beyond our own region to see successful examples of high end housing along Lake Erie's south shore.
July 16, 20195 yr 31 minutes ago, X said: Has anyone here ever been to Bay Village? Or Brahtenal? Or Rocky River? Or Avon Lake? Or Lakewood north of Clifton? We don't have to reach beyond our own region to see successful examples of high end housing along Lake Erie's south shore. The west side has the added benefit of a nice view of the skyline compared to Brahtenal which is blocked off by the nature preserve. Having an impressive skyline sells. Ohio City, Duck Island, Tremont all have stunning views of the city which increases demand and therefor prices.
July 16, 20195 yr 2 hours ago, Terdolph said: Yes, not the same. Toronto is not on the lee side of the lake, doesn't get lake effect snow, nor the accelerated wind as it passes from north to south over the frozen lake. Have you ever been there? Yes, in December. It was effing cold and windy. Like here.
July 16, 20195 yr The image below is a compilation of the Cumberland Lakefront proposal, the Green Ribbon Coalition's Land Bridge proposal, and the Multimodal Station concept. This is just to show an idea of three downtown lakefront proposals / concepts from the past few years. Land Bridge: https://www.greenribbonlakefront.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Land-Bridge-Proposal_GRC_2019-01-10_4.9.pdf Multimodal: http://www.dot.state.oh.us/engineering/OTEC/2016 Presentations/Wednesday/52/Collier_Lemasters_52.pdf These plans within this less than .5 square mile of Cleveland could include a new multimodal (intercity/commuter bus and Amtrak) station, an additional (lakefront) downtown hotel, a K-8 school, useable greenspace, an extended lakefront and public promenade, ~1000 apartments, a “creative workspace” in an existing structure, office and retail space while re-connecting downtown to the lakefront. This all complements the existing Stadium, Science Center, William G. Mather Museum, Rock Hall, light rail stations and Pace’s developments on E 9th. This could all be improved on with stalled, dropped or theoretical plans discussed by forum members such as a convention center expansion, connecting the land bridge (or Mall D) with the new Multimodal station, parks atop the Willard and Huntington garages, retooling/removing parts of the Shoreway, regional commuter rail (with the lakefront freight rail bypass), a downtown rail loop, a Browns museum / Pro Football HOF exhibit space, Lake Erie Island / Canada bound ferries, and a water taxi connecting the North Coast with the flats and Wendy Park. Development could spill over into “the Pit,” Muni Lot, and the surface lots in front of Burke. (Once that’s all done, we can move on to Burke. /s) TL;DR - The proposal from Pace, if implemented, will help push forward other existing and theoretical proposals for the area. It’s an important step for the city and harbor area which has CRAZY potential. Edited July 16, 20195 yr by NorthShore647
July 17, 20195 yr Nice job. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 17, 20195 yr 4 hours ago, NorthShore647 said: These plans within this less than .5 square mile of Cleveland could include a new multimodal (intercity/commuter bus and Amtrak) station... Where’s the hyper loop station going? Edited July 17, 20195 yr by Clevecane
July 17, 20195 yr On 7/12/2019 at 11:14 AM, jbee1982 said: I wish they would relocate the stadium and instead, but a nice central park in the middle with surrounding live/work buildings That's a billion dollar project, when it's all said and done. Who pays?
July 17, 20195 yr 22 hours ago, bjk said: I live 3 blocks from the lake. There is a big difference between Cleveland and Toronto - in Toronto the prevailing winds are not off the lake. I'm exactly 500 feet away with a clear shot to my front door, and while it's great in the summer winter can be "breezy". Though right on the lake we get surprisingly little s***.
July 17, 20195 yr On 7/16/2019 at 12:57 AM, X said: Or literally anywhere on the lakefront in Cleveland's western suburbs/Edgewater, or Bratenahl? Lakefront living has been proven to be quite desirable right here in Greater Cleveland. We don't use the eastern lakefront well outside of downtown. There is literal public housing on the lake in at least two spots, and the towers in Euclid are problematic (to say the least).
July 17, 20195 yr 2 hours ago, E Rocc said: We don't use the eastern lakefront well outside of downtown. There is literal public housing on the lake in at least two spots, and the towers in Euclid are problematic (to say the least). Euclid was a victim of its own expansion and bad city hall policies with regards to its Lakefront development. It really is a shame... the neighborhoods between E. 203 and E. 219 (the Beach Club neighborhoods) were always nice. I loved biking through there as a kid, but those apartment buildings never seemed nice to me, even when I was a kid. Sims park was always a nice draw, but there was so much that could have been done in that area that wasn't. Maybe it can't... everyone was excited when the K & D group bought those two high rises and had some grandiose plans for re-making that facility and putting some new construction in, but they quickly abandoned the big plans and concentrated on just the renovations. Since then, they've seemed to be much better at reading the market. I always hoped Euclid could do some more with their Lakefront property, as it is my hometown.
July 17, 20195 yr ^ It's going thru the schematic review so i'd say this is pretty damn active. Edited July 17, 20195 yr by Clefan98
July 17, 20195 yr 1 minute ago, YO to the CLE said: Concept proposal, but man do I hope it gets built like this. Nope, they are passed that phase. DF2019-010 - Azure Mixed-Use Development New Construction: Seeking Schematic Design Approval Project Location: 5700 S. Marginal Road and 5500 N. Marginal Road
July 17, 20195 yr ^Even better! I know sometimes we aren't huge fans of Knez's product, but this guy is doubling down on the city, and I have to commend him for that. He basically changed his entire business model from suburban to urban in a matter of 2 years. Good for him.
July 17, 20195 yr 1 minute ago, Clefan98 said: Nope, they are passed that phase. DF2019-010 - Azure Mixed-Use Development New Construction: Seeking Schematic Design Approval Project Location: 5700 S. Marginal Road and 5500 N. Marginal Road This is scaled down from the original concept correct?
July 17, 20195 yr My issue with this project is that it will make it essentially impossible to move the shoreway away from the shore. I know that's something of a pipedream but it would improve the access to the lake.
July 17, 20195 yr 11 minutes ago, inlovewithCLE said: How many homes is this? 136 total units and 8 commercial tenant spaces. Edited July 17, 20195 yr by Eastside
July 17, 20195 yr This is awesome.. I really hope this gets built. I love the density there.. now to extend the water front line that way....
July 17, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, ryanfrazier said: My issue with this project is that it will make it essentially impossible to move the shoreway away from the shore. I know that's something of a pipedream but it would improve the access to the lake. I don't think that's true. The proposal to relocate the Shoreway shows the diversion from the highway's existing alignment occurring east of Horizon Science Academy, which is east of this development. Edited July 17, 20195 yr by PittsburgoDelendaEst
July 17, 20195 yr Unlike some previous commenters, I think this layout is very unfortunate. While the buildings themselves are fairly attractive, their layout yields two streets that will be lined entirely with garage doors. The inner alley squeezes townhouses together so balconies face directly at one another with little space between them. And few of the buildings have an active face to existing streets. I would much rather see these building designs (which are fairly attractive) in a layout similar to battery park which has the buildings face a new grid of streets (not withstanding some of the bad design choices that battery park made)
July 17, 20195 yr It's kind of ironic that the apartment building very much resembles the old Howard Johnson's hotel that was demolished several years ago.
July 17, 20195 yr I love it. I think it’s an excellent use of the land and a great way to bring people over there
July 17, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, ydard said: It's kind of ironic that the apartment building very much resembles the old Howard Johnson's hotel that was demolished several years ago. I wonder if the architect purposefully was giving a nod to the old HJ ... its almost too close of a resemblance to be a coincidence, IMHO.
July 17, 20195 yr This is such an isolated location that I can't really bring myself to care much how it's designed. It's functionally a suburban gated community. But more people in the city and no up front subsidies (presumably), so sounds good to me.
July 17, 20195 yr 1 minute ago, StapHanger said: This is such an isolated location that I can't really bring myself to care much how it's designed. It's functionally a suburban gated community. But more people in the city and no up front subsidies (presumably), so sounds good to me. That may be what it takes. Shore Acres and Beulah Park aren't physically gated, but are technically closed to non residents that are not visiting residents. Enforcement ranges from moderate to zealous, as well.
July 17, 20195 yr 14 minutes ago, E Rocc said: That may be what it takes. Shore Acres and Beulah Park aren't physically gated, but are technically closed to non residents that are not visiting residents. Enforcement ranges from moderate to zealous, as well. I think the key will be the commercial tenants. Will they be destination worthy? Or are they going to be "inward" and simply catering to the residents. If it's only the latter then this could very well be a quasi-gated community. And given the geographical limitations here at this penned in site I'm kind of okay with it.
July 17, 20195 yr ^I have zero expectation that any retail/restaurant operation at that location to be sustainable. The on-site population won't be nearly large enough to support anything and there's nothing especially attractive about the site warranting a regional destination. This whole project still seems sort of weird to me. As residential development pressure pushes more low scale industrial uses out of the near west side, I wonder if it wouldn't better for the city to preserve more areas like this (isolated from residential areas, good highway access) for new employment opportunities rather than random residential pockets. Edited July 17, 20195 yr by StapHanger
July 17, 20195 yr 6 hours ago, ryanfrazier said: My issue with this project is that it will make it essentially impossible to move the shoreway away from the shore. I know that's something of a pipedream but it would improve the access to the lake. A few more pedestrian bridges will give us cheaper access. They're all over the Back Bay across Storrow Drive to the Charles (another Boston reference) and work great.
July 17, 20195 yr 35 minutes ago, Terdolph said: Well, if you think that winter on the north side of the lake is like winter on the south side of the lake there is not much I can say that would impact your thinking. Just out of curiosity, do you think that winter in Westlake is like winter in Chardon? Isn’t your argument about how the weather must be different on each side of the lake? Pretty sure they’re both on the south side ?
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