13 minutes ago, Paul in Cleveland said:

Urgent request ... can somebody find me a pic of that old design competition entry for bridging the Shoreway from about a decade ago ... the one with the wavy/undulating white steps that almost evoked a Santiago Calatrava Design?

 

I’m at a party with a high ranking city official and we are chatting about projects. I brought that old design up and he said he didn’t recall it. Thanks!

https://www.cleveland.com/architecture/2010/01/cleveland_design_competition_w.html?outputType=amp

Edited September 15, 20195 yr by Sapper Daddy
There’s a second picture contained inside the article

10 minutes ago, Sapper Daddy said:

 

 

Thanks!! You rock!

^How instantly iconic would that be?

So there may be movement on some sort of lakefront bridge soon. That's all I know, but it comes from a very credible, high-on-the-food-chain source. I got the impression that something new was involved.

Land bridge, or a pedestrian bridge like the one that was shelved?

3 minutes ago, Paul in Cleveland said:

So there may be movement on some sort of lakefront bridge soon. That's all I know, but it comes from a very credible, high-on-the-food-chain source. I got the impression that something new was involved.

My feeling on any "bridge" to the lakefront is that we have to go "All-In" with an ambitious plan for it to have a real impact. Otherwise it will likely be a boondoggle.  

4 minutes ago, punch said:

Land bridge, or a pedestrian bridge like the one that was shelved?

 

They didn't say, but my impression was more a land bridge ... based on the entirety of our conversation.

32 minutes ago, Paul in Cleveland said:

So there may be movement on some sort of lakefront bridge soon. That's all I know, but it comes from a very credible, high-on-the-food-chain source. I got the impression that something new was involved.

Man, that’s terrific news, but definitely the news we’ve been burnt by before.  Are you able to hint at who’s backing this?  Public/private partnership I hope.

On 9/16/2019 at 3:08 PM, Sapper Daddy said:

Man, that’s terrific news, but definitely the news we’ve been burnt by before.  Are you able to hint at who’s backing this?  Public/private partnership I hope.

 

I wasn't told anything more than there may be movement on it soon. I could tell that the person wasn't willing/able to share any more so I didn't push it. Especially in a casual, party setting. ?

A nice landscaped and  functional Land Bridge which includes an expansion of the Convention Center would be GREAT!

It would of course make it easier to get to all of the attractions at North Coast Harbor by walking and it should help with added attendance. 

And if they can design it to include space for additional development and a multi modal transportation hub like KJP has wrote about, it could also help with the BROWN'S and PACE'S potential development plans too!

Edited September 18, 20195 yr by Larry1962

9 hours ago, Paul in Cleveland said:

 

I wasn't told anything more than there may be movement on it soon. I could tell that the person wasn't willing/able to share any more so I didn't push it. Especially in a casual, party setting. ?

 

Next time, liquor-up that guy! ?

 

EDIT: he won't need to. I just found out some of the gory details. Article coming, along with renderings (hopefully!).

Edited September 18, 20195 yr by KJP

2 hours ago, KJP said:

 

Next time, liquor-up that guy! ?

 

EDIT: he won't need to. I just found out some of the gory details. Article coming, along with renderings (hopefully!).

Hopefully gory news is good news. It has to be be land bridge with the intermodal transportation system.

1 hour ago, simplythis said:

Hopefully gory news is good news. It has to be be land bridge with the intermodal transportation system.

Please. Don't. Jinx. It. ? 

On 9/16/2019 at 12:08 PM, Sapper Daddy said:

Man, that’s terrific news, but definitely the news we’ve been burnt by before. 

Only about 22 times lol. I'm not the only one on this forum who has kept an entire drawer full of abandoned Lakefront plans. 

4 hours ago, KJP said:

 

Next time, liquor-up that guy! ?

 

EDIT: he won't need to. I just found out some of the gory details. Article coming, along with renderings (hopefully!).

I have this bad feeling it's going to be like what happened with the North Coast Harbor Bridge. And it's going to look exactly like it, just bigger

From the SHW HQ TOPIC:

 

#freefourur said:

 

I think there was a proposal by Geis for an office campus type of development on the edge of Burke near 9th Street.  I think that could be a legitimate site if SW wants a campus style setting. 

 

I am not sure if Geis still has an option on the land though. 

 

DOES GEIS STILL HAVE AN OPTION ON THE LAND NEXT TO BURKE LAKEFRONT 

TO DEVELOP IT FOR OFFICES ECT??

Edited September 19, 20195 yr by Larry1962

11 minutes ago, Larry1962 said:

From the SHW HQ TOPIC:

 

#freefourur said:

 

I think there was a proposal by Geis for an office campus type of development on the edge of Burke near 9th Street.  I think that could be a legitimate site if SW wants a campus style setting. 

 

I am not sure if Geis still has an option on the land though. 

 

DOES GEIS STILL HAVE AN OPTION UP THE BURKE LAKEFRONT LAND TO DEVELOP IT??

To be clear, they did not have an option on the airport land but some parking lots on the edge of the airport near the USS Cod.

A cruise ship I’ve never seen here before is docked this morning. Anyone know what outfit it is? Looks nicer, and larger than the other ones I’ve seen here. 

1 minute ago, marty15 said:

A cruise ship I’ve never seen here before is docked this morning. Anyone know what outfit it is? Looks nicer, and larger than the other ones I’ve seen here. 

 

Photos, man!!

I think I've seen this one before...  but nice catch @marty15

 

Says it's the Hamburg passenger ship. 

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/photos/of/ships/shipid:370605/ship_name:HAMBURG

 

When I was a kid, the Aquarama used to cruise from Cleveland to Detroit. Sure would be nice to build a cruise ship terminal to initiate Lake Erie summertime cruises.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SsAquarama.jpg

Edited September 19, 20195 yr by Frmr CLEder

Currently none of the cruise lines begins or terminates a voyage in Cleveland. The traffic at the port is day-trippers off the ship; typically there is no baggage or taxis/ubers/etc. involved - just tour buses. The Victory people say they begin and end trips in cities with large hub airports, which Cleveland is no longer. So it's not likely Cleveland will see more than day-trippers in the near future. No need, therefore, for a large terminal. The city just needs something to keep the pax out of the rain for immigration checks and waitng for tour buses, which is more or less what the Port Authority is already building at Dock 28.

2 hours ago, smimes said:

Says it's the Hamburg passenger ship. 

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/photos/of/ships/shipid:370605/ship_name:HAMBURG

 

 

That's a German owned ship that holds 420 people.   Presumably sailed from Europe.

53 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

That's a German owned ship that holds 420 people.   Presumably sailed from Europe.

 

Just got lunch at Otani Noodle and sat next to three people speaking German. They each had a noodle bowl and a beer. I presume they were from the cruise ship. ?  

1 hour ago, E Rocc said:

 

That's a German owned ship that holds 420 people.   Presumably sailed from Europe.

What gives here? Are German Cruise ships now making Cleveland a port?

I'm not sophisticated enough to link it, but @Cleburger posted this in the Port Authority thread:

 

It's building steam!  

 

29 cruise ships will dock at Port of Cleveland in 2019

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/03/cruise-ships-coming-to-cle.html?fbclid=IwAR3Le00084UB_QpATn3Ze2RqIgZWiP4Jni017Tl06O6EbVKB8dS9wBNP9-A

 

THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 19, 2019

Lakefront development project to start this winter

 

After shedding its partner Trammel Crow Co., things are starting to move a little faster for Cumberland Development LLC. when it comes to its lakefront development project. Demolition for and construction of the lakefront project is due to start in January.

This week, Cumberland President d*ck Pace released a fully updated plan (see image above) for his lakefront development that includes timelines and phasing for new and larger buildings. The revised plan also scuttles the idea of re-using one of the two old Dock 30 port warehouses as previously proposed. Instead, both warehouses are to be demolished.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/09/lakefront-development-project-to-start.html

2 hours ago, surfohio said:

I'm not sophisticated enough to link it, but @Cleburger posted this in the Port Authority thread:

 

It's building steam!  

 

29 cruise ships will dock at Port of Cleveland in 2019

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/03/cruise-ships-coming-to-cle.html?fbclid=IwAR3Le00084UB_QpATn3Ze2RqIgZWiP4Jni017Tl06O6EbVKB8dS9wBNP9-A

The Port Authority has been trying to setup a ferry service to Canada for several years now.

It's so far been very difficult for them to setup a partnership with a port in Canada.

2 hours ago, surfohio said:

I'm not sophisticated enough to link it, but @Cleburger posted this in the Port Authority thread:

 

It's building steam!  

 

29 cruise ships will dock at Port of Cleveland in 2019

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/03/cruise-ships-coming-to-cle.html?fbclid=IwAR3Le00084UB_QpATn3Ze2RqIgZWiP4Jni017Tl06O6EbVKB8dS9wBNP9-A

 

For future reference, grab the link over on the right, next to “report post”, like this:

 

19 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 19, 2019

Lakefront development project to start this winter

 

After shedding its partner Trammel Crow Co., things are starting to move a little faster for Cumberland Development LLC. when it comes to its lakefront development project. Demolition for and construction of the lakefront project is due to start in January.

This week, Cumberland President d*ck Pace released a fully updated plan (see image above) for his lakefront development that includes timelines and phasing for new and larger buildings. The revised plan also scuttles the idea of re-using one of the two old Dock 30 port warehouses as previously proposed. Instead, both warehouses are to be demolished.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/09/lakefront-development-project-to-start.html

Dammit I can't read the writing lol. 

 

I need younger eyes!!!

Edited September 19, 20195 yr by surfohio

Outstanding @KJP!

4 minutes ago, surfohio said:

Dammit I can't read the writing lol. 

 

You can read some of the writing if you click on the image and enlarge it.

 

But most of it I summarized in the descriptions of each proposed building. I'll share a readable PDF of it when I get home from dinner. 

Edited September 19, 20195 yr by KJP

22 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 19, 2019

Lakefront development project to start this winter

 

After shedding its partner Trammel Crow Co., things are starting to move a little faster for Cumberland Development LLC. when it comes to its lakefront development project. Demolition for and construction of the lakefront project is due to start in January.

This week, Cumberland President d*ck Pace released a fully updated plan (see image above) for his lakefront development that includes timelines and phasing for new and larger buildings. The revised plan also scuttles the idea of re-using one of the two old Dock 30 port warehouses as previously proposed. Instead, both warehouses are to be demolished.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/09/lakefront-development-project-to-start.html

Let’s go!!  So pumped for Cleveland 

Shoot, I am sorry they threw out the Dock 30 warehouse renovation...I really liked that plan. 

 

https://www.wkyc.com/article/life/waterfront-revival-heres-an-exclusive-first-look-at-new-development-plans-for-clevelands-north-coast-harbor/95-119154fd-66f7-4e4a-b7e7-4d03516b3878

 

Okay...gotta keep reading NEOtrans!!! 

The landbridge and transit hub are game changers. The demand will come when those are done.

1 hour ago, WindyBuckeye said:

Let’s go!!  So pumped for Cleveland 

kJP :  Awesome article. From what wrote it appears we are going to the land bridge and the Intermodal

Transportation hub. Is there anything  on this that you know as far as pricing & quality. Hopefully this is not a budget or

low cost bridge & hub. I am not crazy about the location of the Stem School.  Also, in proposed features write-up

you inadvertently Listed building 3 twice.

20 minutes ago, simplythis said:

kJP :  Awesome article. From what wrote it appears we are going to the land bridge and the Intermodal

Transportation hub. Is there anything  on this that you know as far as pricing & quality. Hopefully this is not a budget or

low cost bridge & hub. I am not crazy about the location of the Stem School.  Also, in proposed features write-up

you inadvertently Listed building 3 twice.

 

Thanks. I don't know what the price tags are for the latest versions of the land bridge or multimodal hub. But past versions were in the $100 million to $300 million range when combined.

 

I didn't list Building 3 twice inadvertently....I did it to:

 

1. See if anyone was paying attention

2. Drive readers crazy

2. Then drive them freaking nuts!

 

 

 

Aah yes.  You had 1 guy pass the test

While the Cleveland Foundation Centennial Lake Link Trail will connect to the Whiskey Island Connector via the Willow St Bridge over the Old River, am I correct in understanding there is no plan for a pedestrian bridge parallel with Norfolk Southern's lift bridge at the mouth of the Cuyahoga?  As much as the land bridge will connect people to d*ck Pace's development, and the multi-modal transportation center will be transformative (love it!), the pedestrian bridge crossing from Voinovich Bicentennial Park across North Coast harbor is much less impactful than if one could walk/run/bike from E 9th to Whiskey Island/Edgewater without routing through the flats. Being a busy commercial port and shipping channel with lake freighters/ore ships/cruise ships, etc using our navigable river, I understand the inherent limitations of blocking/constraining the mouth of the river, but what would a pedestrian bridge look like there (in terms of grading/approach/length/cost/funding/etc)?

3 hours ago, KJP said:

 

THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 19, 2019

Lakefront development project to start this winter

 

After shedding its partner Trammel Crow Co., things are starting to move a little faster for Cumberland Development LLC. when it comes to its lakefront development project. Demolition for and construction of the lakefront project is due to start in January.

This week, Cumberland President d*ck Pace released a fully updated plan (see image above) for his lakefront development that includes timelines and phasing for new and larger buildings. The revised plan also scuttles the idea of re-using one of the two old Dock 30 port warehouses as previously proposed. Instead, both warehouses are to be demolished.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/09/lakefront-development-project-to-start.html

Thanks for another great article and I'm glad that this vital LAKEFRONT PROJECT is moving forward!

 

BUT I was really hoping for the 1,000 APARTMENTS and the two large OFFICE BUILDINGS as previously proposed.  
BUT I understand that it's hard to find anchor tenants and proper FINANCING and city/state aid too.

But there's ALWAYS HOPE that by the time they build the other phases it will end up being the larger project originally planned!

1 hour ago, infrafreak said:

While the Cleveland Foundation Centennial Lake Link Trail will connect to the Whiskey Island Connector via the Willow St Bridge over the Old River, am I correct in understanding there is no plan for a pedestrian bridge parallel with Norfolk Southern's lift bridge at the mouth of the Cuyahoga?  As much as the land bridge will connect people to d*ck Pace's development, and the multi-modal transportation center will be transformative (love it!), the pedestrian bridge crossing from Voinovich Bicentennial Park across North Coast harbor is much less impactful than if one could walk/run/bike from E 9th to Whiskey Island/Edgewater without routing through the flats. Being a busy commercial port and shipping channel with lake freighters/ore ships/cruise ships, etc using our navigable river, I understand the inherent limitations of blocking/constraining the mouth of the river, but what would a pedestrian bridge look like there (in terms of grading/approach/length/cost/funding/etc)?

In theory it's a good idea. 

 

But there is no place to build a pedestrian bridge that would parallel the Norfolk Southern's lift bridge on the east side of the Cuyahoga river.  That's because of the strict Federal Security Plan for the Port Authority.  Without proper Federal Port Security I.D., no one is normally permitted on Port property without a paid escort which cost $ 50 per hour.  

 

And just south of the Norfolk Southern's lift bridge is the Flats Eastbank's FORWARD DAY & NIGHTCLUB complex.  

And next to that is the empty grass area next to boardwalk where WOLSTEIN'S is going to be building the three new restaurants as part of phase three.

 

Maybe they could rearrange the layout of the new restaurants? 

But the Ontario Stone industrial site is straight across the river from that area....

Edited September 20, 20195 yr by Larry1962

4 hours ago, KJP said:

 

THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 19, 2019

Lakefront development project to start this winter

 

After shedding its partner Trammel Crow Co., things are starting to move a little faster for Cumberland Development LLC. when it comes to its lakefront development project. Demolition for and construction of the lakefront project is due to start in January.

This week, Cumberland President d*ck Pace released a fully updated plan (see image above) for his lakefront development that includes timelines and phasing for new and larger buildings. The revised plan also scuttles the idea of re-using one of the two old Dock 30 port warehouses as previously proposed. Instead, both warehouses are to be demolished.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/09/lakefront-development-project-to-start.html

 

Great article!! One minor correction is Harbor Verandas is 16 apartments not 8.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/life-and-culture/erry-2018/12/cc18ff039b2649/tour-the-luxury-harbor-veranda.html

Does this mean that if they build the land bridge we can start planning convention center expansion.

Or would a CC expansion be done at the same time the land bridge goes in?

Great news!  Thanks for another great article to KJP - much appreciated.  To focus on the residential aspect of the plan -  It's a major step forward for the lakefront, one which so many of us have been hoping for for so long.  Modern new residences right on the water, in such a unique  neighborhood, will be a great look  for the city - an incentive that land-locked cities small and large will not be able to match, given our coastline.  The lifestyle afforded in this development will be a tempting lure for the kind of new talent and entrepreneurs that may want to make Cleveland home (or home again.)  Here's hoping that this is one project that becomes a reality, without significant delay or downsizing. 

I can't read the tiny writing either (even after zooming in). Anyone know if the apartments are rentals or for-sale units (or both)?

1 minute ago, Pugu said:

I can't read the tiny writing either (even after zooming in). Anyone know if the apartments are rentals or for-sale units (or both)?

Rentals, he stated. Has to do with the land lease from the city. Selling something on top of something that someone else owns I guess could pose some problems down the road.

10 hours ago, cle_guy90 said:

 

Great article!! One minor correction is Harbor Verandas is 16 apartments not 8.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/life-and-culture/erry-2018/12/cc18ff039b2649/tour-the-luxury-harbor-veranda.html

 

Thanks. Fixed it.

 

BTW, here's a detailed PDF of the lakefront masterplan so that you can read everything.....

http://freepdfhosting.com/be77f5938d.pdf

 

 

Edited September 20, 20195 yr by KJP

Just a thought: I wonder if rotating buildings 1 and 2 is possible. Wouldn’t the dog park and pool fare better against lakefront weather if a building was blocking the worst of the weather?

 

Regarding the liner homes, would these have parking or would renters park in the larger garage complex? I guess it makes sense to have liner townhomes instead of liner apartments? But it would be super weird (IMHO) to have 40 driveways surrounding a parking garage. 

10 minutes ago, Clevecane said:

Just a thought: I wonder if rotating buildings 1 and 2 is possible. Wouldn’t the dog park and pool fare better against lakefront weather if a building was blocking the worst of the weather?

 

Regarding the liner homes, would these have parking or would renters park in the larger garage complex? I guess it makes sense to have liner townhomes instead of liner apartments? But it would be super weird (IMHO) to have 40 driveways surrounding a parking garage. 

I hope parking is in the garage.