June 3, 20205 yr Are they actually going to follow through on converting the Shoreway to a boulevard?
June 3, 20205 yr Turning the railroad tracks into a new "highline" park? I hope...my townhome is like 50 feet away.
June 3, 20205 yr 16 minutes ago, PoshSteve said: Move the port!! 14 minutes ago, X said: Are they actually going to follow through on converting the Shoreway to a boulevard? 4 minutes ago, CbusTransit said: Or moving 90 away from the lake at MLK? I'll take one of each please.
June 3, 20205 yr 49 minutes ago, KJP said: Time to tease a story....it's not as game-changing as moving Burke, but it's pretty close. ? I get excited when I see the “BOOM” teases. This tease is next level!
June 3, 20205 yr I was hoping to have the article done tonight but we took a long walk to and from dinner. I'll be able to finish it tomorrow. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 3, 20205 yr Probably an announcement on someone taking over for the Failed Cumberland/Pace Lakefront development. If it is that announcement i hope it is somebody with deep pockets. Maybe the Browns are in on it. Maybe a landbridge. How about the transportation hub?
June 3, 20205 yr Omg. The Rockometer is finally happening!!!! ? I have a love hate relationship with these teases. Especially when they don’t come instantly.
June 3, 20205 yr Out of all of the possibilities, I think the land bridge over the highway and tracks would be the most transformational and lead to incredible amounts of spin-off development.
June 3, 20205 yr 16 minutes ago, jeremyck01 said: Out of all of the possibilities, I think the land bridge over the highway and tracks would be the most transformational and lead to incredible amounts of spin-off development. It's also the most likely given the previous articles about how the Browns and local leaders showing interest in something more than the Rosales bridge. 3 hours ago, Mendo said: I'll take one of each please. Can we add the removal of the Main Ave bridge and associated ramps to the list while we're dreaming?
June 3, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, KJP said: I was hoping to have the article done tonight but we took a long walk to and from dinner. I'll be able to finish it tomorrow. Long walks are bad for production...LOL BUT I do hope you both had a nice dinner! We should all be supporting our local restaurants!
June 3, 20205 yr 5 hours ago, KJP said: Time to tease a story....it's not as game-changing as moving Burke, but it's pretty close. Is there a hidden clue with "game-changing"? Maybe the Browns Stadium is moving its location
June 3, 20205 yr Rumor has it, bridge to Canada with parallel ski lift/gondola. Watch out Morpeth! Tons of Clevelanders headed your way.
June 3, 20205 yr 12 hours ago, CbusTransit said: Or moving 90 away from the lake at MLK? You'd have to move 90 to the south to turn the Shoreway (aka SR2) into a boulevard. I don't see how you do that without plowing through neighborhoods in a manner an order of magnitude stronger than the worst accusations against the OC. Albert Porter's ghost would turn so green with envy Bill Murray would be able to vacuum him.
June 3, 20205 yr @E Rocc The proposal is to reroute 90 through the old power plant location and along the southern edge of Gordon Park rather than the current path right through the middle of it. It is a fantastic plan and destroys no houses, let alone neighborhoods. It creates a proper “Edgewater East”. The only negative is that it would be spectacularly expensive. Of course, that’s a big negative. https://www.greenribbonlakefront.org/projects/gordonpark/ Edited June 3, 20205 yr by Boomerang_Brian Clarification When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
June 3, 20205 yr 29 minutes ago, skiwest said: That certainly would be nice, but I'd rather see Dead Man's Curve fixed first. Yeah, I was presuming if they are going to spend that kind of money they would do that. Starting anywhere from the northbound turn at Prospect/Euclid to the tracks north of St. Clair.
June 3, 20205 yr 32 minutes ago, skiwest said: That certainly would be nice, but I'd rather see Dead Man's Curve fixed first. In most other parts of the world, there is money to do these kinds of things. I have been through countless "mega tunnels" in Europe, Australia, Japan that go for miles under a city. This would be an obvious fix for the lakefront shoreway, deadmans curve and innerbelt.
June 3, 20205 yr Does someone need to do a wellness check on @KJP? Lol hopefully the hold on the article is because there's too many projects to even try and stay organized... Jk, @KJP take your time, thanks for being the news breaker of NEO development
June 3, 20205 yr 38 minutes ago, Cleburger said: In most other parts of the world, there is money to do these kinds of things. I have been through countless "mega tunnels" in Europe, Australia, Japan that go for miles under a city. This would be an obvious fix for the lakefront shoreway, deadmans curve and innerbelt. There’s money here, but it’s spent in sequence. More to maintain steady employment for the construction workers than any other reason. That way if there’s a disaster we have experienced people ready to rebuild. Right now the OC and 480/271 division are the main projects. When those come to a close they will look for something else. The irony of Deadman’s Curve (remember the laughable effort to start calling it the Be Safe Curve?) is people respect it and there hasn’t been a problem in a long time. (Yes, I knocked wood when I said that.) Therefore it’s not that much of a priority.
June 3, 20205 yr @Boomerang_Brian @E Rocc Unfortunately realigning 90 like shown above is not being considered right now. That’s not saying it can’t be, but it would take pressure from stakeholders (City of Cleveland, NOACA) for it to happen. You can find the current plan for innerbelt rehabiliation at innerbelt.org.
June 3, 20205 yr It is true that there is only capacity for one or two projects at a time and sometimes it takes a good while for projects to get to the front of the queue. I do think this one is on the radar, hopefully it can happen someday.
June 3, 20205 yr 52 minutes ago, GISguy said: Does someone need to do a wellness check on @KJP? Lol hopefully the hold on the article is because there's too many projects to even try and stay organized... Jk, @KJP take your time, thanks for being the news breaker of NEO development I'm working on it. Slowly. Took me 20 minutes just to figure out when CPP's lakefront power station was built.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 3, 20205 yr I don't know how much longer they expect the Main Avenue bridge to last, but it will need to be replaced in the near future, hopefully before something bad happens.
June 3, 20205 yr 22 minutes ago, mrclifton88 said: It must be well past it’s lifespan, no? These types of aging bridges scare me. I'm sure dumping nine million tons of salt on it every winter doesn't help lol. *Hey KJP when you're bored please initiate a comprehensive cost-benefit analysis for the continued use of road salt vs. alternatives.
June 3, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, KJP said: I'm working on it. Slowly. Took me 20 minutes just to figure out when CPP's lakefront power station was built.... Is this a hint? That would seem to point to what @E Rocc was talking about with rerouting the shoreway...
June 3, 20205 yr It would be incredible see that bridge demolished and have all that land in the Flats West Bank and Warehouse District opened up for development.
June 3, 20205 yr I think I'm far from the majority here, but I like that bridge more than the Detroit or Lorain bridges. I like the blue color, and, something elegant about the structure. Cool history too being a WPA project. Edited June 3, 20205 yr by mu2010
June 3, 20205 yr Just now, mu2010 said: I think I'm far from the majority here, but I like that bridge more than the Detroit or Lorain bridges. I like the blue color, and, something elegant about the structure. It makes for a cool gateway into the city from the west (especially if you're a passenger on one of the 55's early morning!), and is a cool looking bridge BUT if it were to go away my only regret would be not riding my bike across it haha
June 3, 20205 yr 20 minutes ago, GISguy said: It makes for a cool gateway into the city from the west (especially if you're a passenger on one of the 55's early morning!), and is a cool looking bridge BUT if it were to go away my only regret would be not riding my bike across it haha I have ridden across it - on my road bike one year during the Cleveland Marathon....during a blizzard. It was absolutely terrifying!
June 3, 20205 yr 20 minutes ago, mu2010 said: I think I'm far from the majority here, but I like that bridge more than the Detroit or Lorain bridges. I like the blue color, and, something elegant about the structure. Cool history too being a WPA project. I love this bridge as well. My concern is the entry and exit ramps, particularly on the west 25th/28th side. They are just not safe. There have been wrong way drivers and huge accidents at the eastbound merge. These need to be reworked to meet current safety requirements.
June 3, 20205 yr Speaking of the power plant site I did this couple of years ago thinking about alternate stadium sites. With an upgraded Shoreway with bike paths, run the WFL to it. The western side would have a large window for views of the city. It would look bad ass from the blimp, make a great impression.
June 3, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, KJP said: I'm working on it. Slowly. Took me 20 minutes just to figure out when CPP's lakefront power station was built.... Hmmmm, would that have to do with the presence of asbestos or other hazardous materials on site?
June 3, 20205 yr 16 minutes ago, freethink said: Speaking of the power plant site I did this couple of years ago thinking about alternate stadium sites. With an upgraded Shoreway with bike paths, run the WFL to it. The western side would have a large window for views of the city. It would look bad ass from the blimp, make a great impression. I don't know if anyone ever read The Greatest Thing Since Sliced Bread (if you haven't you should, especially if you grew up in the Cleveland area). Horizon Science Academy is the approximate site of Stanley Chaloupka's house, based on current numbering of E. 63rd street addresses. Edited June 3, 20205 yr by E Rocc
June 3, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, E Rocc said: There’s money here, but it’s spent in sequence. More to maintain steady employment for the construction workers than any other reason. That way if there’s a disaster we have experienced people ready to rebuild. Right now the OC and 480/271 division are the main projects. When those come to a close they will look for something else. The irony of Deadman’s Curve (remember the laughable effort to start calling it the Be Safe Curve?) is people respect it and there hasn’t been a problem in a long time. (Yes, I knocked wood when I said that.) Therefore it’s not that much of a priority. I was thinking more in the design/conceptual sense. No one ever does them because our dollars must be spent on $500 toilet seats for navy ships, etc. Road projects always go to the lowest bidder therefore lack originality and durability.
June 3, 20205 yr Sorry it took so long...... WEDNESDAY, JUNE 3, 2020 Moving I-90 an option in new ODOT & Metroparks lakefront plans Sliced in half by a freeway nearly 70 years ago, Cleveland's Gordon Park and its surrounding area were recently dubbed by east-side real estate developers as a potential "Edgewater East." It could be that and more depending on the results of two separate but related planning efforts that got underway last week. The first is a multi-agency effort led by the Cleveland Metroparks called the Cleveland Harbor Eastern Embayment Resilience Study (CHEERS). Its goal is to accommodate dredge disposal, create additional aquatic and terrestrial habitat, protect existing highway infrastructure and enhance the lakeshore from near the east end of Burke Lakefront Airport to Dike 14 at Gordon Park as a dynamic community asset. A $125,000 grant was recently awarded to the Metroparks by the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation (NFWF) to cover nearly half of the $251,000 cost of the CHEERS plan. The Metroparks, Ohio Department of Transportation (ODOT), Cleveland-Cuyahoga County Port Authority, Ohio Department of Natural Resources (ODNR) Office of Coastal Management and City of Cleveland each pledged $25,200 as their matching shares. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/06/moving-i-90-option-in-new-odot.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 3, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, KJP said: I'm working on it. Slowly. Took me 20 minutes just to figure out when CPP's lakefront power station was built.... I'm guessing that KJP's article will be about the ICE BREAKER WIND TURBINES PROJECT... Can I get a second guess?? THANKS KJP for ANOTHER GREAT ARTICLE!! Edited June 3, 20205 yr by Larry1962
June 3, 20205 yr Their acronym game is on point. Quote The first is a multi-agency effort led by the Cleveland Metroparks called the Cleveland Harbor Eastern Embayment Resilience Study (CHEERS).
June 3, 20205 yr Good article. Hope it comes to fruition. Moving i90 there would be a game changer for the area.
June 3, 20205 yr Relocating the highway would be an absolute game changer--arguably, even more transformative than the land bridge downtown. 158 acres of a high-quality park and public beach on the east side of downtown would dramatically increase Clevelanders' access to our region's most valuable asset. Thanks, as ever, for the reporting KJP.
June 3, 20205 yr Anyone remember the cost of this idea when the inner belt was being rebuilt? I remember Litt discussing it, but I don't know if ODOT ever really looked at relocating the shoreway at that time
June 3, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, smimes said: Relocating the highway would be an absolute game changer--arguably, even more transformative than the land bridge downtown. 158 acres of a high-quality park and public beach on the east side of downtown would dramatically increase Clevelanders' access to our region's most valuable asset. Thanks, as ever, for the reporting KJP. Absolutely! Anybody who’s been to Edgewater on the weekend in recent years knows that Cleveland NEEDS another beach.
June 3, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, punch said: Anyone remember the cost of this idea when the inner belt was being rebuilt? I remember Litt discussing it, but I don't know if ODOT ever really looked at relocating the shoreway at that time I think that the idea that was discussed at that time was moving the entire east Shoreway down next to the tracks, which would of course be a much more expensive proposition.
June 3, 20205 yr you have to wonder why they built so close to the water in the first place? was there a reason? it seems like a non-brainer to build the highway to follow next to the tracks and keep the water access more open, but they didn't. very, very, poor planning in the 1950s or whenever and you cannot help but always wonder about that when you are driving around there. i hope they can find the money to move it and open up the waterfront back up, that would be fantastic.
June 3, 20205 yr The FirstEnergy, then Cleveland Electric Illuminating Co, property had facilities that were pretty close to the tracks 70 years ago. And I-90 was built on the right of way of its predecessor, Lake Shore Blvd, which had at-grade intersections through Gordon Park and also went to the lake side of the then-CEI power plant. BTW, I added to the article a quote from Chris Ronayne who was the architect of last citywide lakefront development masterplan. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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