23 hours ago, CbusTransit said:

Or moving 90 away from the lake at MLK?

Congrats to @CbusTransit with the winning guess. 

 

 

1 hour ago, KJP said:

The FirstEnergy, then Cleveland Electric Illuminating Co, property had facilities that were pretty close to the tracks 70 years ago. And I-90 was built on the right of way of its predecessor, Lake Shore Blvd, which had at-grade intersections through Gordon Park and also went to the lake side of the then-CEI power plant.

 

BTW, I added to the article a quote from Chris Ronayne who was the architect of last citywide lakefront development masterplan. 

 

i know, but it looks like they could have moved a substation or two and squeezed the shoreway in between it and the tracks instead of it and the lake.

 

anyway oh well, whats done is done. its good to move it now.

 

 

^ I remember that during the winter, waves would come up over the break wall and freeze, leaving icicles hanging over the barrier and onto the Shoreway.  

 

Great to see this open up, since BKL isn't moving.

51 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

Congrats to @CbusTransit with the winning guess. 

It’s almost like I already knew ?

That section of the shoreway is quite scary when the gales of November come slashin'.

8 hours ago, Growth Mindset said:

I love this bridge as well. My concern is the entry and exit ramps, particularly on the west 25th/28th side. They are just not safe. There have been wrong way drivers and huge accidents at the eastbound merge. These need to be reworked to meet current safety requirements.

 

Yeah, I used to live over there, would normally take the bus downtown but I remember one morning a few years ago in the winter I had to drive in for whatever reason and the 29th at onramp to get downtown, yikes, almost got in a bad wreck. I don't think the off ramps are too bad though, especially the eastbound one.

 

They could probably just close the eastbound onramp and make people get on at 49th, it's not far at all. Or just take Detroit.

Edited June 4, 20205 yr by mu2010

14 hours ago, Cleburger said:

 

 I was thinking more in the design/conceptual sense.  No one ever does them because our dollars must be spent on $500 toilet seats for navy ships, etc.   Road projects always go to the lowest bidder therefore lack originality and durability.   

 

Anyone who's ever seen the DoD specifications and documenation requirements, along with the typical order quantities, knows why pretty much anything like that is so expensive.

Edited June 4, 20205 yr by E Rocc

16 hours ago, Growth Mindset said:

I love this bridge as well. My concern is the entry and exit ramps, particularly on the west 25th/28th side. They are just not safe. There have been wrong way drivers and huge accidents at the eastbound merge. These need to be reworked to meet current safety requirements.

There really is no room to rework. There are three option:

- drop a through lane coming in

- close the ramp

- keep it the way it is
 

They tried going the closing route and the neighborhood threw a FIT. So I don’t see anything changing.

 

Also, I can’t predict how long the bridge will last, but I’m confident in saying it’s safe right now. It was built in 1938, and last (majorly) rehab’ed in 1992. I’m sure they will try and maintain the superstructure as much as possibly because frankly I can’t fathom money going into a replacement. But then again other people decide that.

 

2 hours ago, Enginerd said:

There really is no room to rework. There are three option:

- drop a through lane coming in

- close the ramp

- keep it the way it is
 

They tried going the closing route and the neighborhood threw a FIT. So I don’t see anything changing.

 

Also, I can’t predict how long the bridge will last, but I’m confident in saying it’s safe right now. It was built in 1938, and last (majorly) rehab’ed in 1992. I’m sure they will try and maintain the superstructure as much as possibly because frankly I can’t fathom money going into a replacement. But then again other people decide that.

 

 

Since its 35 MPH on the west side, is it feasible to put a traffic light at the ramp?  

3 minutes ago, punch said:

 

Since its 35 MPH on the west side, is it feasible to put a traffic light at the ramp?  

I'm not sure if that section is 35MPH. i think it's a bit farther west where the speed limit drops.

1 hour ago, freefourur said:

I'm not sure if that section is 35MPH. i think it's a bit farther west where the speed limit drops.

 

Pretty much it's wild wild west from the point where the bridge starts/ends- going west (Expressway Ends in X miles, aka at bridge end), and going East - 55MPH as soon as elevation starts going up towards the bridge...

28 minutes ago, GISguy said:

 

Pretty much it's wild wild west from the point where the bridge starts/ends- going west (Expressway Ends in X miles, aka at bridge end), and going East - 55MPH as soon as elevation starts going up towards the bridge...

Heading EB the speed limit goes from 35 to 50 past the ramp merge. @GISguy is correct though, people drive whatever they want.
 

Could you put a traffic signal in? Maybe. There are different things required by law for a signal to be warranted. Remember though, the entire reason the shoreway is the way it is is because “people” didn’t wan’t the proposed signals on this stretch.

 

I believe it would be legal to put a stop sign at the top of the ramp though, which might be more politically tolerable.

 

I’ll need to do a little research...

Edited June 4, 20205 yr by Enginerd

11 hours ago, Enginerd said:

There really is no room to rework. There are three option:

- drop a through lane coming in

- close the ramp

- keep it the way it is

 

I don't understand why dropping the through lane wasn't considered at the time they proposed closing the ramp. They had it closed for months during the Shoreway construction and it seemed to work fine. I lived off that exit at the time and it was much less stressful getting on the highway while the entire thing was under construction just for that reason. Three lanes coming from the west, one exits off to 25th, two continue on and are joined by the one coming on from 28th bringing it back to three. Seems simple.

We all appreciate @KJP’s journalistic skills - he’s put most of the rest of the Cleveland media to shame time and again! And the news of the study on the relocation of part of 90 at Gordon Park is great. But the article’s gut punch and reality check for me was the line that federally funded projects of this kind, to go from study phase to ribbon cutting, take an “average” of ten years.  It made me remember that our dreams for the lakefront’s transformation have not only been a long, long time coming but will still take many years. . 
I do believe  that, in the future, the lakefront, like the city itself -which we are already seeing - will be a more activated, better utilized treasure. When I think of all the mostly landlocked cities in the country and contrast them with those on an ocean or great body of water, I feel like the most desirable tend to be the latter. That’s a broad stroke, but point being- what a resource and what further potential Cleveland has.  I’m looking forward to the (hopefully) bold transformation to come. I just wish it could come even faster... 

Edited June 5, 20205 yr by CleveFan

 

Cleveland Metroparks explores using recycled river sediment to make lakefront greener, more resilient

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/06/cleveland-metroparks-explores-using-recycled-river-sediment-to-make-lakefront-greener-more-resilient-beautiful.html

1 hour ago, Cleburger said:

 

Cleveland Metroparks explores using recycled river sediment to make lakefront greener, more resilient

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/06/cleveland-metroparks-explores-using-recycled-river-sediment-to-make-lakefront-greener-more-resilient-beautiful.html

 

So many good, hopeful little snippets in this article. Renaissance kind of thinking that's been long overdue, at least on the action side of the equation. While the 5-15 year timeline is a letdown, it does at least give plenty of time to plan out and do things the right way - finally.  

Edited June 24, 20204 yr by surfohio

Thanks @Cleburger for sharing the June 23 Metroparks-lakefront article.  I agree with @surfohio that there's a lot of good thinking - finally - being activated regarding the lakefront.  Not to get too preachy here, but sometimes I wonder if our goals and timelines could be more aspirational - across the board, as a society.  In 1960, when JFK determined to send a man to the moon in less than 10 years, it required a transformational application of technology and most importantly, will power.  The ideas that are being talked about either once again, or for the first time that can really make our lakefront what it can and should be don't have to take 15-20 years to happen.  There can be a not only a developmental impact but a tremendous economic benefit with hundreds (if not thousands)  of new jobs created when we determine to take action and do something big.   We can find the money - we just need the leadership, the sense of urgency and the commitment.  

^ Local community leadership and for the State of Ohio to stay out of any decision making process, except for possible funding.

 

Obstructionists are not welcome.

 

Edited June 24, 20204 yr by Frmr CLEder

The successful rehabilitation of Cleveland neighborhoods like Ohio City, Detroit Shoreway and even the Warehouse District took many years! 

Remember Alan Glazen's "Project Lightswitch" in Waterloo? Not a bad idea, but it didn't/hasn't really worked as intended. 

 

In my experience, the City doesn't have the money.. so projects that don't immediately benefit private sources need to rely on Foundation, State and Federal sources who all have their own project criteria. Somebody is going to need to take a risk to make big changes. 

Edited June 24, 20204 yr by mtnbikefan

The city does have the money (except this year with COVID-19). Its income tax receipts were growing rapidly (35 percent since 2016) and is conservatively projected grow further in the next four years....

 

On 2/2/2020 at 9:18 AM, KJP said:

That income tax revenue number is pretty remarkable, even though it is a conservative projection. Consider....

 

2016: $314.8 million

2019: $424.9 million (estimated)

2020: $444 million (projected)

2024: $481 million (projected)

 

That's a 53 percent increase in 8 years. And it's conservative.

 

The city gets less state funding than it ever has. For example, the state used to provide 10% match on federal transportation projects  (which require 20% local match) which was discontinued under the Kasich administration. Increased income is great news but expenses are high.  

1 hour ago, mtnbikefan said:

The city gets less state funding than it ever has. For example, the state used to provide 10% match on federal transportation projects  (which require 20% local match) which was discontinued under the Kasich administration. Increased income is great news but expenses are high.  

 

Since when? The state still provides a significant local match. On some projects, it provides the entire local match including the use of turnpike toll credits (which can be distributed through NOACA as well).

The State picks and chooses favored projects to pay match.. it's a major source of irritation for the City of Cleveland.

 

Check out how much state funding Cuyahoga County receives vs. Franklin and Hamilton Counties.  It was very uneven when Kasich was in charge.

 

On the Towpath, which received Federal funding through NOACA, the local match was mostly found through competitive grant programs like Clean Ohio.. there are plenty of qualifying projects that are not funded.  

@mtnbikefanIs there a rubric or assessment metric by which the state “picks” it’s projects for funding? Or is it just what they happen to “like “ on any given day? 

1 hour ago, CleveFan said:

@mtnbikefanIs there a rubric or assessment metric by which the state “picks” it’s projects for funding? Or is it just what they happen to “like “ on any given day? 

 

I don't know the assessment metrics.. I know some at City Hall believe they're politically motivated, but I couldn't tell you the details. Columbus was doing very well compared to Cleveland at getting funding for a while but they also had a hotter economy and most definitely a better lobbying team.  

 

Here's an article from a few years back on some of the State's changes -

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2017/01/ohio_communities_counties_have.html

 

 

 

I suppose this would go here.  Good news for North Coast Harbor!  Glad to see this is progressing: https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2020/07/15/two-concepts-a-cafe-and-bar-lounge-kitchen-to-open-on-ground-floor-of-harbor-verandas-by-rock-hall

 

"Two Concepts, a Cafe and 'Bar/Lounge/Kitchen,' to Open on Ground Floor of Harbor Verandas by Rock Hall"

 

'Cute for Coffee, the smaller of the two spots, will offer quick refreshments like coffee, frozen yogurt and hard-packed ice cream. 

 

...

 

With respect to Sandrine, he adds, “I would liken it to an upscale hotel lounge, with a lot of sofa seating.” A 14-person bar will be joined by a handful of small tables. The owner anticipates that the food program will expand and contract with the seasons. In colder months, indoor patrons will enjoy bar snacks and finger foods, but come spring, a 45-seat patio will bloom along with a more ambitious menu.'

Very excited for this!! Nuevo has helped a ton, but there needs to be more than one place to get bite to eat - especially with more options. I feel like lakefont parks and ice cream go hand in hand! I can't believe it's taken this long, but I'm glad to finally see some other great options coming here. Plus, I like the mix between the coffee shop / ice cream shop and the more upscale lounge. It's good to have some variety and to cater to different crowds.

 

This will be a win for both visitors and residents alike who frequent NorthCoast Habor and Voinovich Park. I know that I, for one, can't wait.

Bring on the Ferris wheel now!

There's a thread for Burke discussion.  This is not it.

22 hours ago, mrclifton88 said:

I suppose this would go here.  Good news for North Coast Harbor!  Glad to see this is progressing: https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2020/07/15/two-concepts-a-cafe-and-bar-lounge-kitchen-to-open-on-ground-floor-of-harbor-verandas-by-rock-hall

 

"Two Concepts, a Cafe and 'Bar/Lounge/Kitchen,' to Open on Ground Floor of Harbor Verandas by Rock Hall"

 

'Cute for Coffee, the smaller of the two spots, will offer quick refreshments like coffee, frozen yogurt and hard-packed ice cream. 

 

...

 

With respect to Sandrine, he adds, “I would liken it to an upscale hotel lounge, with a lot of sofa seating.” A 14-person bar will be joined by a handful of small tables. The owner anticipates that the food program will expand and contract with the seasons. In colder months, indoor patrons will enjoy bar snacks and finger foods, but come spring, a 45-seat patio will bloom along with a more ambitious menu.'

This is so awesome.  That area is one of my

favorite in the city during warm weather. Was down there last night and it was hopping.  Having more options will make it even better.

I saw this on the Detroit Shoreway Facebook page a fews ago--apparently it is gaining steam as Cleveland.com picked it up today.  

 

Cleveland councilmen decry lack of transparency over plans to repair or replace Willow Avenue Bridge

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio — Two city councilmen are pushing back hard against what they see as a lack of transparency over plans the administration of Mayor Frank Jackson is developing to repair or replace the aging Willow Avenue Lift Bridge.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/08/cleveland-councilmen-decry-lack-of-transparency-over-plans-to-repair-or-replace-willow-avenue-bridge.html

Where's our campaign contribution derp derp derp!!!!!!

19 hours ago, Cleburger said:

I saw this on the Detroit Shoreway Facebook page a fews ago--apparently it is gaining steam as Cleveland.com picked it up today.  

 

Cleveland councilmen decry lack of transparency over plans to repair or replace Willow Avenue Bridge

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio — Two city councilmen are pushing back hard against what they see as a lack of transparency over plans the administration of Mayor Frank Jackson is developing to repair or replace the aging Willow Avenue Lift Bridge.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/08/cleveland-councilmen-decry-lack-of-transparency-over-plans-to-repair-or-replace-willow-avenue-bridge.html

 

Hopefully this can be considered in context with the Wendy Park Bridge in addition to how heavy truck traffic may be redirected. Zone & Mr. "Freaking" McCormack seem to have people's best interests in mind.

 

Interestingly, regarding the respiratory data map shown in the article: I pulled up the EJSCREEN map with the NATA Respiratory HI layer compared to state percentiles and the map looked different.

 

WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 26, 2020

Cleveland is rising higher on the waterfront

 

Coastal cities have one thing in common -- a tendency to build more high-rise buildings along their waterfronts. In real estate, where location is all-important, few things attract investment more than an accessible waterfront. That's true for shorelines on oceans, Great Lakes and major rivers.

 

But in Cleveland, which grew up in the 1800s as an industrial power, it turned its waterfronts over to industry, shipping and railroads. They were what drove Cleveland's growth until the middle of the 20th century. The decision limited lake access to the public and thus the development of housing, especially the high-rise kind.

 

Now, in post-industrial Cleveland, everyone from politicians to developers to civic-minded activists to environmentalists are trying to claw back the city's waterfronts from the relics of industry. That is sure to draw more housing investment to within an easy walk or bike ride of Cleveland's waterways.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/08/cleveland-is-rising-higher-on-waterfront.html

On this note, has anyone noticed the windows opening up on the top of the Westinghouse building in Detroit Shoreway?   It may be that I just noticed it, but I was hoping it might be a developer poking around....

On 8/27/2020 at 12:11 AM, KJP said:

 

WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 26, 2020

Cleveland is rising higher on the waterfront

 

Coastal cities have one thing in common -- a tendency to build more high-rise buildings along their waterfronts. In real estate, where location is all-important, few things attract investment more than an accessible waterfront. That's true for shorelines on oceans, Great Lakes and major rivers.

 

But in Cleveland, which grew up in the 1800s as an industrial power, it turned its waterfronts over to industry, shipping and railroads. They were what drove Cleveland's growth until the middle of the 20th century. The decision limited lake access to the public and thus the development of housing, especially the high-rise kind.

 

Now, in post-industrial Cleveland, everyone from politicians to developers to civic-minded activists to environmentalists are trying to claw back the city's waterfronts from the relics of industry. That is sure to draw more housing investment to within an easy walk or bike ride of Cleveland's waterways.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/08/cleveland-is-rising-higher-on-waterfront.html

Thanks @KJP for a very hopeful article on  the development possibilities offered by the beautiful coast of the Great Lake Erie. I remember back in the 80’s when the term “North Coast” was used by some in the media (particularly WMMS). It created a very different image in my imagination about what Cleveland’s coastline could look like. It was a continuation of Lakewood’s way-cool Gold Coast skyline  somewhere to the East (exactly where I didn’t know) and at least some new high rise residential development downtown East of Erieview.  Now, in 2020, I feel hopeful that, in the not too distant future, at least something of my young man’s  fantasy will become reality. I‘ve seen first-hand examples of how zoning changes and adjustments of height restrictions have spurred development In other cities.  We’re now seeing it with projects such as The Viaduct Tower in Cleveland itself.   I’m certain that some, perhaps a majority, on UO, will not share this opinion  - but I feel strongly that the relocation of Burke airport and repurposing of its land for residential development would transform Cleveland. It may take decades but a vision and eventually a reality  of  an urban  coastal lifestyle -at a much more affordable cost of living - can be offered, in a fairly unique way, by Cleveland.  Milwaukee, as cited in the Neo-Trans article has been able to capitalize on similar opportunities in a climate zone no better than Cleveland.  Rethinking formerly accepted norms is a major theme for 2020 in  a Covid World - and I sense that key leaders, movers and shakers are sensing new possibilities for a future Cleveland that provides world class amenities and life style opportunities to more people that are priced out of the megacities on the other coasts. 
I’m rooting for Cleveland to continue its somewhat audacious resurgence! 

Edited August 28, 20204 yr by CleveFan

Yes, I agree. Burke definitely needs to go.  Cleveland does not need two underutilized airports.  I am not aware of any other large city that has an airport on its downtown waterfront.   I realize it will not be possible to build high-rise apartments on the site, but I can envision parks, marinas and other recreational and entertainment attractions there.  And with no airport, there would no longer be height restrictions on buildings to the east and west.  

8 hours ago, CleveFan said:

Thanks @KJP for a very hopeful article on  the development possibilities offered by the beautiful coast of the Great Lake Erie. I remember back in the 80’s when the term “North Coast” was used by some in the media (particularly WMMS). It created a very different image in my imagination about what Cleveland’s coastline could look like. It was a continuation of Lakewood’s way-cool Gold Coast skyline  somewhere to the East (exactly where I didn’t know) and at least some new high rise residential development downtown East of Erieview.  Now, in 2020, I feel hopeful that, in the not too distant future, at least something of my young man’s  fantasy will become reality. I‘ve seen first-hand examples of how zoning changes and adjustments of height restrictions have spurred development In other cities.  We’re now seeing it with projects such as The Viaduct Tower in Cleveland itself.   I’m certain that some, perhaps a majority, on UO, will not share this opinion  - but I feel strongly that the relocation of Burke airport and repurposing of its land for residential development would transform Cleveland. It may take decades but a vision and eventually a reality  of  an urban  coastal lifestyle -at a much more affordable cost of living - can be offered, in a fairly unique way, by Cleveland.  Milwaukee, as cited in the Neo-Trans article has been able to capitalize on similar opportunities in a climate zone no better than Cleveland.  Rethinking formerly accepted norms is a major theme for 2020 in  a Covid World - and I sense that key leaders, movers and shakers are sensing new possibilities for a future Cleveland that provides world class amenities and life style opportunities to more people that are priced out of the megacities on the other coasts. 
I’m rooting for Cleveland to continue its somewhat audacious resurgence! 

 

AND

31 minutes ago, skiwest said:

Yes, I agree. Burke definitely needs to go.  Cleveland does not need two underutilized airports.  I am not aware of any other large city that has an airport on its downtown waterfront.   I realize it will not be possible to build high-rise apartments on the site, but I can envision parks, marinas and other recreational and entertainment attractions there.  And with no airport, there would no longer be height restrictions on buildings to the east and west.  

 

I responded here.....

 

Edited August 28, 20204 yr by KJP

Euclid, Cuyahoga County celebrate first piece of innovative lakefront trail and look ahead to bigger projects
https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/08/euclid-cuyahoga-county-celebrate-first-piece-of-innovative-lakefront-trail-and-look-ahead-to-bigger-projects.html

On 8/27/2020 at 12:11 AM, KJP said:

 

WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 26, 2020

Cleveland is rising higher on the waterfront

 

Coastal cities have one thing in common -- a tendency to build more high-rise buildings along their waterfronts. In real estate, where location is all-important, few things attract investment more than an accessible waterfront. That's true for shorelines on oceans, Great Lakes and major rivers.

 

But in Cleveland, which grew up in the 1800s as an industrial power, it turned its waterfronts over to industry, shipping and railroads. They were what drove Cleveland's growth until the middle of the 20th century. The decision limited lake access to the public and thus the development of housing, especially the high-rise kind.

 

Now, in post-industrial Cleveland, everyone from politicians to developers to civic-minded activists to environmentalists are trying to claw back the city's waterfronts from the relics of industry. That is sure to draw more housing investment to within an easy walk or bike ride of Cleveland's waterways.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/08/cleveland-is-rising-higher-on-waterfront.html

 

I can't believe I missed this when you posted it.  Is there any indication of how close to reality these projects might be? Is Gold Coast something actually happening behind the scenes or theoretical?

Whiskey Island News. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/whiskey-island-connector-part-of-larger-16m-project-to-connects-lakefront-trails-sees-completion

1 hour ago, simplythis said:

Whiskey Island News. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/whiskey-island-connector-part-of-larger-16m-project-to-connects-lakefront-trails-sees-completion

Extremely encouraging developments with respect to access of lakefront and Metroparks trails.  Years ago, the Trails of the Metroparks were envisioned as a “Necklace” around the  Cleveland metropolitan area. They became a great attraction in cities bordering the park area, helping further attract new residents and new suburban communities.  Now, creating a  better continuous flow of trails in the city core and access for all to the lakefront can only enhance the quality of life for residents while attracting visitors. I’m looking forward to checking out the Euclid lakefront trails myself when I’m in town. Keep it going Cleveland - our world class resource can still yield  a world class waterfront. 

See also: https://www.thelandcle.org/stories/cleveland-becomes-a-parkland-as-trails-and-greenspaces-multiply

^ Are there similar trails from Shaker Lakes and along Doan Brook?

2 hours ago, Frmr CLEder said:

^ Are there similar trails from Shaker Lakes and along Doan Brook?

 

If there are I think they would be listed here:

 

https://doanbrookpartnership.org/watershed-projects/

3 hours ago, Frmr CLEder said:

^ Are there similar trails from Shaker Lakes and along Doan Brook?

I’ve never checked it out, but apparently the Lake-to-Lakes Trail does exactly that:

 

https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2016/07/a_visual_tour_of_the_lake_to_l.html

On 9/2/2020 at 1:40 PM, freefourur said:

 

I can't believe I missed this when you posted it.  Is there any indication of how close to reality these projects might be? Is Gold Coast something actually happening behind the scenes or theoretical?

 

Does this mean new towers built beside the existing ones already at the Gold Coast?

On 9/2/2020 at 1:40 PM, freefourur said:

 

I can't believe I missed this when you posted it.  Is there any indication of how close to reality these projects might be? Is Gold Coast something actually happening behind the scenes or theoretical?

 

@freefourur I replied here....

 

 

 

TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 29, 2020

Seeds & Sprouts XI - Early intel on real estate projects

 

Lakefront apartment project shelved

 

Landmark Management's efforts to develop 214 apartments on the lakefront at East 55th Street and Interstate 90 in Cleveland have been abandoned, according to an update this week in the construction database The Dodge Reports.

 

The reason for the abandonment was not reported. E-mails sent to Landmark's Managing Partner John J. Carney and to Vice President Michael Carney were not responded to prior to publication although Michael Carney acknowledged receiving the e-mail.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/09/seeds-sprouts-xi-early-intel-on-real.html