Are those drone photos?

A couple of different angles to show the apartment building progress.

MVIMG_20180501_192328 by dwainross34, on Flickr

MVIMG_20180501_191839 by dwainross34, on Flickr

 

 

@NickCastele

At Cleveland City Council for a briefing on lakefront development. You can see a little bit of the housing going up by the Rock Hall. https://t.co/p3who1nLgI

 

Developer Dick Pace is talking council’s transportation committee through his plans for the lakefront. This is the first image: https://t.co/pvmamKvlFB

^Isn't that a pretty old imagine?

 

What is the purpose of Pace appearing before the transportation committee at this time?

^Isn't that a pretty old imagine?

 

What is the purpose of Pace appearing before the transportation committee at this time?

 

To consider extending some deadlines....

 

Plans for office buildings and apartments on #Cleveland's lakefront aren't moving as fast as originally expected, but the developers told city council that prospects for landing the key office tenants to make the project move ahead are promising.

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20180530/news/163371/developers-update-cleveland-city-council-lakefront-plans

 

From the article

James Murray-Coleman, a Trammel Crow senior vice president, told council that real estate brokers are working with two companies — one local, the other from out of town — that are very interested in taking at least 100,000 square feet of office space on the lakefront. Murray-Coleman described the planned office development as world-class space and that the successes of the 2016 Republican National Convention and the Cleveland Cavaliers have made companies take notice of Cleveland.

 

I know someone on this forum knows. Care to reveal? If you want, send me a PM and I'll report it anonymously in my blog. :)

 

A few from this week.  Love the new bocce and volleyball courts:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Unfortunately for the foreseeable future, we will not be able to remove the struggling Burke Lakefront Airport. However, what do you all think about the possibility of moving it Northeast onto the land adjacent to it, opening up a good amount of land closer to I90?

 

Just an idea that popped into my head today. I feel as though a decent amount of infilling would be needed as I am sure that is crap fill. I am also positive Mayor Jackson would hate such a compromise.

Unfortunately for the foreseeable future, we will not be able to remove the struggling Burke Lakefront Airport. However, what do you all think about the possibility of moving it Northeast onto the land adjacent to it, opening up a good amount of land closer to I90?

 

Just an idea that popped into my head today. I feel as though a decent amount of infilling would be needed as I am sure that is crap fill. I am also positive Mayor Jackson would hate such a compromise.

 

What land is adjacent to the northeast?  And what about Burke is it that makes you think it's struggling? 

Some days it doesn't even have a single commercial flight?

Unfortunately for the foreseeable future, we will not be able to remove the struggling Burke Lakefront Airport. However, what do you all think about the possibility of moving it Northeast onto the land adjacent to it, opening up a good amount of land closer to I90?

 

Just an idea that popped into my head today. I feel as though a decent amount of infilling would be needed as I am sure that is crap fill. I am also positive Mayor Jackson would hate such a compromise.

 

Hey eastside, welcome to the loony bin.

 

I think that would be a wonderful idea in a city that had cranes as far as the eye can see, but I really can't see spending millions and millions to create new developable land when we have so much prime vacant land downtown which we struggle to build on.

Some days it doesn't even have a single commercial flight?

 

Some decades it didn't have a commercial flight. But it was very busy with Federal Reserve flights moving checks and money around. Not so much anymore with everything digitized.

The repurposing  of Burke Lakefront land  seems to be, unbelievably, , a total  non-topic to the so-called leaders of Cleveland - showing a complete lack of vision .  450 acres of prime real estate ( more than Cedar Point)  on a coastline immediately  adjacent to downtown - an area where thousands might want  to live - where so many possibilities for exciting residential developments and offices and shopping could become a dynamic 21st century success story.  Why is Burke so “protected” by certain interests? Its regional importance has greatly declined with the downward trend in population over the last decades. Burke produced just over 100,000 flights (either landing or taking off ) less than 20 years ago in 2000. Last year, the number had plummeted to  38,000 for the year. And more importantly, the possibilities for how Burke’s  land could transform the waterfront and the city were not being explored.  Has there even been a study of the airport’s necessity in 2018 and going forward?  A  “Scene” article from April of this year Did a great job rausing questions and  challenged the status quo of Burke and the lack of interest by Cleveland’s mayor.  There are no doubt excuses and talking points as to why The Burke land cant be repurposed - but there is a shameful lack of interest and significant discourse about this vital piece  of land and its dramatic potentual  - I believe  Cleveland  deserves that discussion.

WOAAAH, Hold your horses right there. If you want to initiate the push, go make a petition, become mayor, or be an urban planner. If you can muster up a few billion dollars to build on landfill be my guest.

 

The problem isn't that its unused land, It's clearly being used for DOT and FAA purpose. I believe that it's just too much undeveloped land that if you overdeveloped or underdeveloped, you could screw something up for what could have been. Something of this size doesn't just happen with chumps in office, you need top of the line people to scrounge for you.

Keeping the airport, I think it would be nice to have a public path around the perimeter of the whole dike at some point. Then maybe a downtown beach somewhere on the northeast side. There is an access road  around the whole thing. Does anyone know the regulations for public rows next to an airport. Is the acess road too close? Obviously you would need fencing and such.

When we develop the parking craters downtown and are bursting at the seams with development downtown, then I can see the need for redeveloping Burke.

I've said this on this thread several times and so I am a broken record, but imagine what opening up that land for development would do to development in our actual existing neighborhoods in a region that's losing population. It'd suck the energy right out of Ohio City and create some sort of Crocker Park-like, economically segregated, car dependent zone, separated from the rest of the city by a freeway, railroad tracks, and an industrial neighborhood. With zero old buildings or existing infrastructure, it'd have zero businesses that weren't corporate chains. Please God no.

 

The only thing that should happen to the airport is to turn it into a park, if it ever closes. I say no development North of the Shoreway, ala Chicago.

I've said this on this thread several times and so I am a broken record, but imagine what opening up that land for development would do to development in our actual existing neighborhoods in a region that's losing population. It'd suck the energy right out of Ohio City and create some sort of Crocker Park-like, economically segregated, car dependent zone, separated from the rest of the city by a freeway, railroad tracks, and an industrial neighborhood. With zero old buildings or existing infrastructure, it'd have zero businesses that weren't corporate chains. Please God no.

 

The only thing that should happen to the airport is to turn it into a park, if it ever closes. I say no development North of the Shoreway, ala Chicago.

 

I agree. The place is just so huge (you could fit more than 4 Crocker Parks on the land) and disconnected that I don't see how any development would be at an appropriate scale and it would be completely cut off from the city. I think that it could make for an awesome park.

 

Burke with 4 Crocker Parks on top of it, compared to Northerly Island in Chicago (former site of Meigs Field Airport) at the same scale:

 

 

 

Nice graphic. I never realized Burke was larger than Meigs.

If the highest and best use for Burke is a park, then it clearly isn't "prime real estate". And I agree its an awful location separated from downtown by a highway and freight rail. Any substantial development will require hundreds of millions in subsidies, everything from demolition to infrastructure, and TIFs, and tax abatement. Tearing down Burke feels similar to ripping out the streetcar lines. Once its gone, its gone for good. Very shortsighted.

If the highest and best use for Burke is a park, then it clearly isn't "prime real estate".

 

They always say Central Park is the most valuable real estate in the world if it could be developed, which is probably true, so I'm not sure the two are mutually exclusive. A lakefront park which stretches from east to west would by far be the best use of the lake and tremendously enhance the appeal of Cleveland.

Keeping the airport, I think it would be nice to have a public path around the perimeter of the whole dike at some point. Then maybe a downtown beach somewhere on the northeast side.

 

Agree. We need to figure out how to best coexist with the airport and still get value around the perimeter. As for beaches, we are a long long way away from undertaking the kinds of drastic engineering required to re-naturalize the coastline. Chicago and Toronto are light years ahead of us in that regard.

 

 

Nice graphic. I never realized Burke was larger than Meigs.

 

Meigs only had one runway that was much shorter than either of Burke Lakefront's.

Keeping the airport, I think it would be nice to have a public path around the perimeter of the whole dike at some point. Then maybe a downtown beach somewhere on the northeast side. There is an access road  around the whole thing. Does anyone know the regulations for public rows next to an airport. Is the acess road too close? Obviously you would need fencing and such.

 

I've suggested the public greenway option several times on here--to me it would seem very doable and create a bike/walking connection between North Coast Harbor and the marinas/parks at 55th-72nd.

 

The beach would be tough--the harbor is dredged to 20-30' depth right up against the breakwalls....

Are there any plans to connect the towpath with the lakefront? Last time I was in town I was walking near the stadium and a women who was from out of town asked me where she could jog along the lake. A trail along the lakefront that connects with the towpath would be ideal.

Are there any plans to connect the towpath with the lakefront? Last time I was in town I was walking near the stadium and a women who was from out of town asked me where she could jog along the lake. A trail along the lakefront that connects with the towpath would be ideal.

 

Well, kinda. You can see the difficulty we are facing here.

Looking at Google maps from the west to connect to Edgewater doesn't look any less difficult.  Although not impossible. 

When we develop the parking craters downtown and are bursting at the seams with development downtown, then I can see the need for redeveloping Burke.

 

Agreed, however the process dealing with the FAA takes up to 20 some years, as previously seen with other cities trying to remove airports. That is the reason why I think the discussion should be had soon.

Looking at Google maps from the west to connect to Edgewater doesn't look any less difficult.  Although not impossible. 

 

With the new path from Edgewater to W25 it's already decently connected.

^Where do I access said path?

^Where do I access said path?

 

You can hop on it anywhere in the park. It officially starts at the new gateway at Lake and West Blvd and runs along the southern edge of the park, down past the Beach House where it joins with the existing path network, then out under the new rail overpass, up through the Edison development, and along the northern side of the Shoreway. It spits you out at Washington Ave/W25th. It has some cool overlooks near the waterworks facility and Old River areas as well.

^^From the eastern end of the park near the rotary, you cross under the Shoreway alongside the road, take the left when the path forks, go through the path tunnel under the RR tracks, take a left at the fork near the Edison. That path takes you through the Edison and then alongside the Shoreway all the way to West 28th. When the Quarter is finished, the path will continue to West 25th, just north of the Quarter.

 

[i'm too slow]

And in the not-too-distant future, there will be a second path that connects Edgewater to Wendy Park and Wendy Park to the existing Lake Link Trail, via a new bridge over the RR tracks. The trail network on the near west side is one of the best things happening in the city.

Thanks guys, I just moved near the eastern end of this path and had no idea it existed. Maybe tonight I'll go for a walk. So currently I'd get on at 28th, north of the shoreway?

Thanks guys, I just moved near the eastern end of this path and had no idea it existed. Maybe tonight I'll go for a walk. So currently I'd get on at 28th, north of the shoreway?

 

Yep!

That eastern stretch looks a little bleak, slotted between the wall of the Shoreway embankment and Lakeview, and west of there it hews very close to the Shoreway for a while, so doesn't look like a greatest pedestrian route, IMHO. But as an off-street bike route, looks terrific.

Once an over the river connection into Downtown is completed this will be huuuuuuuge.

That eastern stretch looks a little bleak, slotted between the wall of the Shoreway embankment and Lakeview, and west of there it hews very close to the Shoreway for a while, so doesn't look like a greatest pedestrian route, IMHO. But as an off-street bike route, looks terrific.

 

You get a cool skyline view from the lookout near the waterworks facility.

 

 

That eastern stretch looks a little bleak, slotted between the wall of the Shoreway embankment and Lakeview, and west of there it hews very close to the Shoreway for a while, so doesn't look like a greatest pedestrian route, IMHO. But as an off-street bike route, looks terrific.

 

The lakefront would benefit VASTLY from an actual connection to the towpath - NOT including the two-mile venture through steelyard and down to Denison.

This bridge should help with connecting the trail to the lake..

 

June 24, 2018 4:00 am UPDATED 6 HOURS AGO

Landmark pursues more land lakefront suites

By STAN BULLARD

 

Landmark Management, the Cleveland-based owner and developer of city apartments, is pursuing the purchase of a large parcel next to its Shoreline apartments that could accommodate construction of as many as 150 additional suites on the Lake Erie waterfront.

 

Robert Rains, a Landmark principal, said the company has put in a bid to buy the 4.5-acre parcel adjoining Shoreline, 5455 North Marginal Road, for the potential expansion.

 

Rains mentioned the bid for the property after touring 29 units that Landmark-hired contractors have just finished installing at The Shoreline, formerly known as Quay 55. Landmark bought the five-story Quay 55 in July 2017, becoming the fourth owner of the apartments installed in a former warehouse in 2001. The building originally housed 140 suites.

 

MORE:

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20180624/news/166171/landmark-pursues-more-land-lakefront-suites

Thats a huge deal. Landmark has shown they can get stuff done. Wouldn't surprise me if this got started before some of the other speculative projects around town.

Alright folks - this thread is for construction/development posts. If you want to go off on a tangent, either find the appropriate thread or create a new one in the right section. Thanks!

This bridge should help with connecting the trail to the lake..

 

I remember these concepts being discussed in Ohio City back around 2012.  Whatever happened to the wendy park reno and when should this bridge be expected?

This bridge should help with connecting the trail to the lake..

 

I remember these concepts being discussed in Ohio City back around 2012.  Whatever happened to the wendy park reno and when should this bridge be expected?

 

I'm optimistically looking forward to the wetland project there. Not sure what the delay is.

 

https://www.land-studio.org/project/wendy-park-redesign

A very small but attractive development......

 

Katie Karp

‏@MerwinsMgr_ktk

Just another day at the office... got to see the #greenroof on the Edgewater Beach House up close. Made up of low-maintenance sedums, it cools the building below, catches & slows rainwater, & provides habitat for insects & birds #greenbuilding #edgewaterpark – at Edgewater Beach House

 

 

Not sure if this was posted earlier.

 

Cleveland Mall / North Coast Harbor

Land Bridge Proposal

 

OVERVIEW

The Green Ribbon Coalition is proposing that the City of Cleveland, Cuyahoga County and other stakeholders consider the building of a land bridge

from The Mall to North Coast Harbor versus other types of structures that have been put forth. This document presents design guidelines and a

concept plan for a land bridge that the GRC is recommending for further study.

 

Extending the Cleveland Mall northward from the 1903 Group Plan has been discussed for decades. However, the infrastructure separating the

city’s civic center from its lakefront has been one of the city’s greatest land use challenges. (See figure 1) Over the years, a range of designs have

been proposed combining different bridge and building structures to close this gap. Among these is the currently proposed cable-stayed bridge.

 

Other cities are burying unsightly infrastructure while working to connect their city centers with their waterfronts. “Iconic” structures such as the

proposed cable-stayed bridge are better suited where the features they traverse are meant to be highlighted, such as a river or sea channel. Cities

like Chicago, Seattle and Philadelphia are capping their railways and freeways while re-connecting their downtowns with their waterfronts.

Cleveland should to do the same.

 

The City of Philadelphia has similar challenges as Cleveland with a freeway obstructing access to its historic waterfront along the Delaware River.

Conceptual designs released in 2014 show where a proposed waterfront park will cap Interstate 95, reconnecting Philadelphia’s City Center with its

riverfront. (See Figure 2) The 11- acre park is part of a nearly fully funded $225 million development initiative that includes recreational trails along

the river.

 

https://www.greenribbonlakefront.org/projects/landbridge/

 

https://www.greenribbonlakefront.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Land-Bridge-Proposal_GRC_2018-04-24_3.6-1.pdf

I hope there some new thinking on the Mall to Harbor pedestrian linkage. The cable-stayed bridge was a non-starter for me. It seemed like a wasted opportunity to provide a more comfortable year-round link and incorporate a multi-modal transportation center with whatever links the Mall to the Harbor.

Not sure the land bridge proposal would ever happen. The design would cost much more than the 25 million  that was allotted for a connector.  The Group Plan Commission is having trouble to just raise the two million dollars  for the modifications to Public Square. The other issues would be to see what Dick Pace has planned for development between RRHF and GLSC .  Remember that the proposed  Superman sculpture and fountain had to be removed form th e terminus of the proposed Rosales designed bridge.    At this point  all plans should be on hold until the intermodal station and the lakefront development are better defined.  Speaking of bridges, does anyone know what the status of the long proposed inner harbor pedestrian bridge is? 

The city isn't even willing to come up with the funding necessary for preliminary engineering for the multi-modal transportation station. That will probably be a million or two. Amazingly, there are federal railroad funds available for this very purpose as Congress boosted passenger rail funding by $1.3 billion in 2018. But to get a piece of it will require a local match. The city hasn't offered up a nickle to leverage the federal money. The multi-modal station provides the foundation and the base for the land bridge. The mall extension would merely be a green roof to this facility.

Not sure if this was posted earlier.

 

Cleveland Mall / North Coast Harbor

Land Bridge Proposal

 

OVERVIEW

The Green Ribbon Coalition is proposing that the City of Cleveland, Cuyahoga County and other stakeholders consider the building of a land bridge

from The Mall to North Coast Harbor versus other types of structures that have been put forth. This document presents design guidelines and a

concept plan for a land bridge that the GRC is recommending for further study.

 

Extending the Cleveland Mall northward from the 1903 Group Plan has been discussed for decades. However, the infrastructure separating the

city’s civic center from its lakefront has been one of the city’s greatest land use challenges. (See figure 1) Over the years, a range of designs have

been proposed combining different bridge and building structures to close this gap. Among these is the currently proposed cable-stayed bridge.

 

Other cities are burying unsightly infrastructure while working to connect their city centers with their waterfronts. “Iconic” structures such as the

proposed cable-stayed bridge are better suited where the features they traverse are meant to be highlighted, such as a river or sea channel. Cities

like Chicago, Seattle and Philadelphia are capping their railways and freeways while re-connecting their downtowns with their waterfronts.

Cleveland should to do the same.

 

The City of Philadelphia has similar challenges as Cleveland with a freeway obstructing access to its historic waterfront along the Delaware River.

Conceptual designs released in 2014 show where a proposed waterfront park will cap Interstate 95, reconnecting Philadelphia’s City Center with its

riverfront. (See Figure 2) The 11- acre park is part of a nearly fully funded $225 million development initiative that includes recreational trails along

the river.

 

https://www.greenribbonlakefront.org/projects/landbridge/

 

https://www.greenribbonlakefront.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Land-Bridge-Proposal_GRC_2018-04-24_3.6-1.pdf

 

 

This would be great, but Cleveland would probably cheap it out like they did with Public Square. It would end up in a state of non-completion like Public Square.