Posted February 18, 200817 yr Fairly good series on gang issue surfacing in the Dayton area (actually re-surfacing as it was an issue during the crack craze): follow the link to more stuff, including the mix of local and national gangs active in the area (inclouding that Salvadorian latino gang MS13), and the always entertaining comments section: Gangs in the Miami Valley Police officials in Dayton have long denied that gangs are a problem here. That's changing. By Kelli Wynn, Steve Bennish and Ryan Justin Fox Staff Writers Sunday, February 17, 2008 DAYTON — Henry Guy Jones III joined a gang for a sense of belonging but left it to become a man. Twelve years old at the time, he was so small — 5-foot-3 — he went by the name Leprechaun. "The younger kids are looking for a caring environment," said Dayton Police Detective Chad Knight. "Gang members do love each other." Read More...
February 18, 200817 yr THAT is NOT me! I don't know what else to say. I didn't even read the entire comment before I scrolled down here to deny it. I don't know how to prove it but I promise that isn't me. I have banned someone from posting on my blog who goes by the name of "Papa Ubu" who is listed above as well. He mentions Bill Pote from DaytonMostMetro and I have talked with Bill who has also had to ban the individual. Again, someone is using the name of my blog and urbanohio username that is NOT me.
February 18, 200817 yr That comment is disgusting by the way. Also, I just checked and the email address associated with that comment is "[email protected]" Ridiculous and revolting.
February 18, 200817 yr ^ Yeah, I was suprised to read it, I bet it is someone who is aping you, like Papa Ubu. There are some sick puppies online from Dayton. I've seen imposter posts elsewhere, including one of me, which is pretty disconcerting. That being said, I agree about banning rap. Maybe not the , ahem, "music" being offensive, but the way the fans use the music, the way they play it, the volume they play it at, with the bass turned up, as a way to intrude on everyone elses' aural space. I guess thats the idea. (BTW, I removed the handle reference at the top of the post)
February 18, 200817 yr ^ That being said, I agree about banning rap. Maybe not the , ahem, "music" being offensive, but the way the fans use the music, the way they play it, the volume they play it at, with the bass turned up, as a way to intrude on everyone elses' aural space. I guess thats the idea. I believe the mainstream is to blame for the way rap is abused. Anytime the mainstream comes around to any form of music, it is dumbed down to the lowest common denominator.
February 18, 200817 yr ForTheLoveOfDayton, I actually have seen that commenter for a few years in the DDN comments section. When you first posted here on UO, I actually thought you were the same person until now. I don't think it is someone aping you, just maybe a coincidence that they picked the same alias? P.S. Painfultruth has got to get banned from posting on the DDN. I swear that guy drives me nuts! According to him it seems all of Dayton's problems stem back from the anti-smoking ban. Ugh!
February 18, 200817 yr Banning Rap would mean banning video games, violent shows and movies and what not. But let's get real here, music, games and shows have little effect on gang related activity. Gangs have been an American problem since the founding of our cities. It is nothing new in our culture. I think FTHLOD explained it perfectly. It is nothing more than a product of environment and individuals seeking to find an identity for themselves. As for the timeliness of the DDN articles, I have always known about Dayton's gangs. I grew up outside of Drexel not even a mile away from the Outlaws "hideout" that was located smack in the middle of Drexel. Every kid in Trotwood knew who they were. I have seen many gang markings including SUR-13, Crips, Latin Kings and even MS-13 (whom the FBI claim are not even in Dayton) on walls of buildings and in bathrooms of bars, fast food restaurants and such for years. For Dayton officials to think they could hide it from the public is just shortsightedness on their part. I'm glad they finally fessed up to something I think everyone already knew was a problem in the Dayton area.
February 19, 200817 yr ^---LOL Seriously though, that's a gang I wouldn't want to cross. There was a Discovery Channel special about them. Scary stuff!
February 19, 200817 yr You know, I used to like to go out in the neighborhoods and take pix, not thinking anything of it. Now with this gang thing, maybe not such a good idea.
February 19, 200817 yr Yea, you gotta watch it anymore. My job is onsite computer service and some of the areas I have had to go quite frankly scared the heck out of me to the point I needed to keep some protection on me.
February 19, 200817 yr I believe the mainstream is to blame for the way rap is abused. Anytime the mainstream comes around to any form of music, it is dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. Definitely...there is plenty of good rap out there...it just doesn't make its way onto the radio. Most mainstream music is garbage, and I believe it pushes an agenda.
February 19, 200817 yr Most mainstream music is garbage, and I believe it pushes an agenda. It sure does.
February 19, 200817 yr I believe the mainstream is to blame for the way rap is abused. Anytime the mainstream comes around to any form of music, it is dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. Definitely...there is plenty of good rap out there...it just doesn't make its way onto the radio. Most mainstream music is garbage, and I believe it pushes an agenda. Quoted for truth, most notably the last sentence. No real reason to listen to FM radio or most CDs in my opinion. @ the main topic This has been a problem for many years. Seems a bit late calling attention now. Rectifying the situation will take many years to come... or perhaps it will never change. =/
February 20, 200817 yr Speaking of rap, here is an interesting rap<-->gang connection Local rapper denies his group, Diamond Cut, is a gang DAYTON — Clarence "Chaos" Winn is sitting atop a Dayton rap scene he said is built on the same bad-boy reputation the street gave him. "I think (having a criminal record) helps in this industry," he said. "Not to say go out and commit a crime. The streets empowered me. I didn't choose this. They made me Number One." Winn, with a self-described street-level promotions team of family and friends self-dubbed "Diamond Cut," shot to the top of Billboard's independent music charts. Young adults at his shows and area parties throw up Diamond Cut hand signs — two peace signs held together sideways to resemble a diamond-shaped formation. Read More...
February 20, 200817 yr This "We're not a gang, we're a rap street team!" reminds me of the old Black P Stone Nation in Chicago, who styled themselves as sort of a revolutionary Black Power group akin the the Back Panthers. I recall a local Chicago DJ sayint that ""they say they're like Robin Hood, well I say they's just hoods robbn'" Then after that image makeover didn't work a branch renamed themselves El Rukn and claimed to be some sort of religous cult. So, yeah, positioning a gang as a mere rap group fan club or whatver....I can see that angle.
May 4, 200817 yr Under the guise what looked like an innoccous headline on cultural diversity for Cinco De Mayo, a bombshell allegation of police “selective enforcement” of brown people in Dayton…. Hispanic community, stores support one another Yet after years of steady growth, some say Hispanic population growth in East Dayton is slowing. By James Cummings Staff Writer Sunday, May 04, 2008 DAYTON — Adrianna Sotelo, born in Mexico, is a permanent U.S. resident, but she said because her English is spotty and she clearly looks Hispanic, she's often treated differently when she shops in Dayton's suburbs. "They ask me where I come from, and they look mean at me and my children," she said. "I tell them my children are born here. They are citizens. I'm trying to spend money. Why would people treat us like this?" For more, click here: http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/05/04/ddn050408grocersinside.html
May 5, 200817 yr Hey, if you're here legally and you have people that treat you different, based on color, language, sex orientation, ect. complain. If you're here illegally, then you need to be arrested and deported. How can someone who is illegal in the US pay taxes? That comment made no sense.
May 5, 200817 yr Honey, I get it. I get racially profiled everyday. Trust me, I get it. Thats why I feel if you are racially profiled, bring up to your community board or police community relations. Say something.
May 5, 200817 yr ..but I'm wondering how they handle the trafffic stop issue in citys with growing, or large, Latino populations like Chicago. Presumably there are traffic stops there too. Maybe there isn't the profiling issue, or they have a different MO when dealing with improper IDs, or maybe its easier to get a drivers liscense. In any case this is just anecdotal based on the article, but that the head of this local community services group seems to confirm the situation gives it some credibility beyond anecdote. One thing I do question is if this is driving latinos away from the area. I think the weak job market probably has more to do with it.
May 5, 200817 yr Honey, I get it. I get racially profiled everyday. Trust me, I get it. I'm not your honey.
May 5, 200817 yr Honey, I get it. I get racially profiled everyday. Trust me, I get it. I'm not your honey. OK Sweetie! LOL :wink: :wink: I do agree. The job market and parts of Ohio being viewed (perceived) as unaccepting don't help.
May 5, 200817 yr hah..ok...lol... ...actually the odd thing is the way this article was pitched, which was, via the headline and lead in article & pix on the front page as this non-controversial thing (Latino grocery stores?), then the actual text says something else. Makes me wonder about the DDN sometimes. I think the police chief sort of recognizes that something is up..or its implied in this statement....(again, weak reporting): Biehl said he's working on policies to lessen the impact of traffic enforcement on the Hispanic population, but he said traffic enforcement remains a priority. Things that make you go "hmmm..." (but sure, if someone is illegal and runs afoul of the law, well, grounds to deport, I agree...) The "welcoming" issue (in Dayton at least) does go beyond latinos, given that suprising controversy a few months ago of a mosque wanting to build in a suburban area, generating over 100 people in opposition at a zoning hearing.
May 5, 200817 yr The "welcoming" issue (in Dayton at least) does go beyond latinos, given that suprising controversy a few months ago of a mosque wanting to build in a suburban area, generating over 100 people in opposition at a zoning hearing. I agree. Certain parts of Ohio, at times, can be rather "unwelcoming" and "closed minded".
May 5, 200817 yr How can someone who is illegal in the US pay taxes? That comment made no sense. They pay sales taxes; and if they're using a fake SSN, income taxes and FICA are being withheld.
May 5, 200817 yr I have had my share of profiling in the past. It totally wrong, especially when i have done nothing wrong. What the hell is up with checking everyones id??? I don't see it happening when they pull over an SUV for speeding.
May 6, 200817 yr You have to be f-ing kidding me?! That's pathetic. I'm not sure this made it to Urban Ohio, but I did blog on it. Moslems are "bad people" That Darned Mosque
May 16, 200817 yr Someone I know is currently going through the police academy and he said that they, as a department, expect some of these gang issues to really boil over this summer. I have no idea how much credence this has and what exactly that means, but is seems to go along with some of what the article says.
May 20, 200817 yr Diamond Cut is actually a legitimate record label. Their artists have performed down here several times.
April 29, 201015 yr Two Google Maps: Supporters of Dayton's Bid for Google Fiber and Homicides in Dayton since 2008 Google Fiber supporters: http://www.averageandawesome.com/ Homicides in Dayton since 2008: http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/data/homicides-in-the-greater-dayton-area-since-2008-69028.html?appSession=970238844130844 I was going to do some screen shots but haven't had the time as of late. I'm sure there are some sociological conclusions that could be drawn from a comparison. Interesting to see where the Google Fiber supporters have logged in from.
April 29, 201015 yr Wow, there's quite a concentration of homicides in the West side of Dayton. That seems more concentrated than normal for other cities. Are maps like this available for other cities? It would be interesting to see Cincinnati, Chicago, Cleveland, etc.
May 1, 201015 yr Good question edale. You would think someone on UO would know where to look for similar maps from other cities.
May 1, 201015 yr While it's a neat idea to get end users really fast internet at their homes, the servers at individual companies, routers, switches etc. all though the U.S. can be slow. When my rommate moved in, he wanted the fastste internet, so we upgraded from 4mbs to 15. Overall, I don't see much of a difference, though a few sites work faster and speed test sites definitely show the difference in speed. We're faster than most of the internet, like driving an 800hp car on a road full of lumbering semis.
May 1, 201015 yr I can't speak for the abnormality of the concentration but my gut says it's not abnormal since I have a vague recollection of similar maps for other Ohio cities. Here's a list of murders in Cincinnati (sorry no city-wide map): http://dunes.cincinnati.com/data/crime/search.aspx?o=Murder
August 11, 201014 yr Dayton can’t keep up with the growing housing surplus/vacancy situation DAYTON — The number of vacant structures in the city continues growing despite a demolition effort that has razed more than 1,000 housing units since 2007. At the current pace, it will take more than a decade to right size the city’s building stock at an estimated cost of $50 million. Vacant buildings grow in number despite city demolition program It appears a “Devils Night” trend of arsonizing abandoned buildings is picking up… DAYTON — A summer spike in arsons, many likely set by youngsters, has arson investigators looking for juveniles in the Sunday morning fires that destroyed an eight-unit apartment building, three houses and a garage. Youths likely behind spike in arsons, officials say “It was literally raining fire,” said Lisa Marrow, whose house stood next to one of the homes torched on Bellevue. She and her five children escaped This sounds dramatic and scary at the same time. An intersection ablaze. I’ve been noticing the decline accelerating. I was driving around Newcom Plain on Sunday, an out-of-the-way neighborhood featured in this thread I posted a few years ago. I’m seeing things have been torn down and become more abandoned there, including some burned-out hulks. Part of the ongoing destruction of 19th Century Dayton. It would be interesting to revisit some of my old pix threads to see how much is gone. There are some threads I never posted because the neighborhoods, blocks, and buildings were torn down before I got around to posting the pix.
September 22, 201212 yr http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/local/crews-raid-dayton-house-for-meth/nSHrr/ The Dayton Police Department is conducting a drug raid at a house in the city’s Belmont neighborhood. Crews are in the 2400 block of South Smithville Road and found methamphetamine in one of the homes. A drug task force and has been requested to the scene to remove the materials safely. http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/local/meth-lab-discovery-leads-to-drug-indictment/nRLbr/ One man connected to a methamphetamine lab discovered on Martel Drive earlier this month was indicted by a Montgomery County grand jury on Monday. Shane Kintz, 35, is charged with illegal assembly or possession of chemicals for the manufacture of drugs, aggravated possession of drugs and a misdemeanor drug paraphernalia offense. He is one of four people arrested at 2717 Martel Drive on Aug. 7 when police and DEA officials spent eight hours dismantling the illegal lab. I have it on some eyewitness authority that there is a known drug scene (dealing) that takes place in some houses on Wilmington Avenue just south of Bellaire Avenue. Can anyone currently familiar with Dayton at a street level put these events in context, if possible?
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