why is jack marshall always dressed like it's 30 below zero?

 

Well it was only 30ish when I took those photos and I imagine he was out longer than I was. Not only that - I don't blame him for wearing a hat when it's chilly!

True, but the pope isn't suited for other roles I fulfill, i.e. being a PITA to my partner, etc. ;-)

 

man.....ummmmmm

 

hey i live and work on the square, my life is in jeopardy.

 

Won't someone think of the pope?

True, but the pope isn't suited for other roles I fulfill, i.e. being a PITA to my partner, etc. ;-)

 

man.....ummmmmm

 

hey i live and work on the square, my life is in jeopardy.

 

Won't someone think of the pope?

 

YOU MOVED?  WHEN?  WHERE?  HOW DID I MISS THAT?  CONGRATS ON THE PLACE!

True, but the pope isn't suited for other roles I fulfill, i.e. being a PITA to my partner, etc. ;-)

 

man.....ummmmmm

 

hey i live and work on the square, my life is in jeopardy.

 

Won't someone think of the pope?

 

Poor pope.  *pats*  Perhaps to be safe your liquids for the rest of the day should only be alcoholic. Just so you're not drinking the water, you know.

I don't even think the water main break from several years ago at East 12th and Superior caused that big of a hole. But the damage to surrounding buildings was pretty bad.

 

At least it didn't eat a car like the gas main explosion in New York City last year.

^Someday I'll post photos of the immediate aftermath of the gas main explosion- it happened a couple blocks from my office and scared the living crap out of me.  It's so not cool to hear an explosion, look out your window and see everyone stampeding away from something really fast.

I grew up in an industrial area, there would almost regularly be explosions.  There was BF Goodrich, which had a massive explosion in one of it's chemical tanks, killing several people.  That was across the street and down a little ways from my house.  There was Rossborough, another chemical plant that blew up and killed several people.  That was around the corner from my house.  There have been a few explosions from transformers at the power plant up the street from my elementary school when I was attending there.  That shakes the ground, btw.  That's ignoring the random, unexplained explosions that used to happen all the time at the many factories near my house.  For a quiet little suburb, alot of stuff blows up in Avon Lake.

did Channel 5 really need to park their van so close to the hole?  Sheesh!

This puts a whole new perspective on movies with giant monsters like Cloverfield, or Godzilla. How come the streets in New York never buckle under the weight of those things?

Why, special effects of course!!

Okay, now I am P!SSED. By all that I hold holy, there will be HELL to pay for this...

 

The people at Stone Oven (in the Galleria) who serve City Roast - the finest locally roasted coffee - have a sign up saying "Due to Issues related to the water main break, the Health Department has asked that we not served any water-based drinks for 72 hours." The gal behind the counter said that not only that - they may not be able to serve coffee thru next week. The only option was McDonald's because they use filtered water. McD's also keep their coffee stirrers, sugar, and everything else behind the counter (what kind of animals are they used to dealing with if they have to do that?!?). They also didn't know what I meant when I asked for SKIM MILK *or* FAT-FREE. So here I sit at my desk, drinking this vile crap in a cup - and I swear it's congealing in my stomach. I'm not high-maintenance with everything, but by god, my morning coffee can make or break my day.

 

Keep in mind, my office building coffee swill machines are going full-speed - there's no "boil alert" anywhere. What the flying F#CK!!??!?!?!??!? I'm supposed to drink McSwill for a week?!?!!??

 

K is for kill, D is for death, D is for DESTROY!!!!

 

 

 

This puts a whole new perspective on movies with giant monsters like Cloverfield, or Godzilla. How come the streets in New York never buckle under the weight of those things?

 

It ain't the weight on top so much as the lack of support from below that causes sinkholes (technically "subsidence", but I'm mincing words) like this. When a subterranean pipe breaks, the high-pressure water literally scours out an underground cavern while seeking a path of escape. Combine that with pre-existing utility access vaults and the like, and you go from "zero to crater" in a matter of seconds or minutes... I'm just very grateful no one was hurt.

my caribou is treating me just fine, thank you.

McD's also keep their coffee stirrers, sugar, and everything else behind the counter

 

Mayday I noticed last week this was the case in D.C. (dont ever go in there, but....)  So maybe it is company wide.  I guess they could say it is to conserve.... environment.....    or they've just gotten cheap.   

 

Also, dont some people swear by McDonalds coffee??  (and I dont mean in your case, where your probably doing plenty of it...)

This puts a whole new perspective on movies with giant monsters like Cloverfield, or Godzilla. How come the streets in New York never buckle under the weight of those things?

 

It ain't the weight on top so much as the lack of support from below that causes sinkholes (technically "subsidence", but I'm mincing words) like this. When a subterranean pipe breaks, the high-pressure water literally scours out an underground cavern while seeking a path of escape. Combine that with pre-existing utility access vaults and the like, and you go from "zero to crater" in a matter of seconds or minutes... I'm just very grateful no one was hurt.

 

Thanks for the explanation.

my caribou is treating me just fine, thank you.

 

Believe me, if there was another decent coffee place in the immediate (1 block) vicinity, I'd be there yesterday. Instead, as willyboy stated - I've gone from profanity-laced tirades and berserk rage to curling up in fetal position, rocking back and forth... swill swill swill kill swill kill swill  :cry:  :x :cry: :x :evil:

Okay, now I am P!SSED. By all that I hold holy, there will be HELL to pay for this...

 

dude... ever consider decaf???  :-D okay, I'll be going now before I get my a$$ handed to me... seriously, I feel your pain, and even if  they have water supply problems, last time I checked, coffee is made with BOILING water... sheesh, the lack of common sense out of some of the knuckle-draggers in this world never ceases to amaze me...

I don't get why the Galleria would have a problem.  I'm in Key Tower and our Starbucks has been churning out drinks without any interruption since this happened, and we're obviously a lot closer.

Oh trust me - the Health Department is getting a call - when my public servants f#ck up my morning coffee... something's gonna splatter when it hits the fan!

I am not sure there is any correlation to how close the break was to the actual building location. We have very brown water in my building in OC now.

As urbanohio's number one consumer of coffee, I understand MayDay's pain!

 

MayDay...look on the bright side.  Atleast you can still consume coffee! :whip:

For anyone concerned about water quality, call 216/664-4279.

Should we all chip in and buy Mayday a coffee machine and travel mug?

Should we all chip in and buy Mayday a coffee machine and travel mug?

 

Mayday, if you will stoop to Starbucks for a day, I'd be happy to treat, c'mon over!

Should we all chip in and buy Mayday a coffee machine and travel mug?

 

That is just mean!  Besides, I have a DeLonghi coffee maker for sale!

1. If I was ALLOWED to have a coffeemaker at my desk, I would. Facilities won't let us.

 

2. I'm actually not a Starbucks snob (believe me, the folks at Key and BP usually know my drink) - it's not as good as City Roast, but it's still much better than McSwill. :-)

1. If I was ALLOWED to have a coffeemaker at my desk, I would. Facilities won't let us.

 

2. I'm actually not a Starbucks snob (believe me, the folks at Key and BP usually know my drink) - it's not as good as City Roast, but it's still much better than McSwill. :-)

 

Well then c'mon over beeyotch!  Maybe for your afternoon fix?

1. If I was ALLOWED to have a coffeemaker at my desk, I would. Facilities won't let us.

 

 

Your SO sounds like a tyrant!  Just kidding; but I was actually referring to a coffeemaker for your kitchen, not desk.  At least to get you your first cup of coffee of the day.

we'll now you all know how I felt the morning I woke up to find my coffee maker broke overnight!

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I knew urbanohio was made up of closet coffee drinkers here!

 

MayDay hang in there...Im on day four of no caffeine.  We'll almost no caffeine, I drank a coke...shhhhhh

Oh no, it absolutely has to be at my desk - there's something about nursing my morning coffee while easing into the day.

 

Back on topic (now that the McD swill caffeine has kicked in), they're saying that the show will go on for the St. Pat's parade so at least that's not affected.

Anyone have any observations about how well traffic and buses are coping with the street closures?  All kidding aside, the traffic engineers should be out in full force taking notes in anticipation of the next Public Square quadrant unification push.  Would be great to compare the real life results to what the traffic models would predict.  Maybe this is something Parkworks or some other group might think about spearheading?

I was actually just thinking the exact same thing..

I carpool with my partner on St. Clair (coming up from the Flats) and there's been what I'd call a mild increase of congestion but not too bad. The worst part is St. Clair between West 3rd and West 6th.

^How many minutes do you think it added to your commute?

Nominal - maybe two or three at most. Mind you it only takes us 10 minutes so it's not a serious headache or anything.

^Yeah, but the car-first/traffic engineer slugs will be the first to point out that the street closure increased your commute by  20-30%!

Oh trust me - the Health Department is getting a call - when my public servants f#ck up my morning coffee... something's gonna splatter when it hits the fan!

 

Assuming you've called, did they provide an explanation as to why other places are able to continue serving "water-based drinks"?

This puts a whole new perspective on movies with giant monsters like Cloverfield, or Godzilla. How come the streets in New York never buckle under the weight of those things?

 

It ain't the weight on top so much as the lack of support from below that causes sinkholes (technically "subsidence", but I'm mincing words) like this. When a subterranean pipe breaks, the high-pressure water literally scours out an underground cavern while seeking a path of escape. Combine that with pre-existing utility access vaults and the like, and you go from "zero to crater" in a matter of seconds or minutes... I'm just very grateful no one was hurt.

 

Thanks for the explanation.

 

 

ditto - i feel smarter now

so what does that crater look like now in the added blizzard mess?

I dunno, you can't see further than 10 feet in front of your face.

 

But, they are working as of 10 minutes ago.

^Yeah, but the car-first/traffic engineer slugs will be the first to point out that the street closure increased your commute by  20-30%!

 

For whatever reasons, yesterday and today have been MUCH worse - and that's WITH police out directing traffic. We're talking a major backup from the Carter Road bridge, all along Old River Road to St. Clair - UP St. Clair hill and onto St. Clair proper. Lakeside wasn't much better.

My guess is that ODOT sent out a crew of drivers to muck things up in order that the talk of closing off the streets through Public Square be squelched.

^^Mayday... I have a feeling that the "all of the sudden" backups have more to do with the snow than it does the sink hole, and closing off of Ontario and Superior.  Don't forget that much of the snow piles are taking up a whole lane of traffic in each direction on city streets.  The loss of those lanes, is more than likely the real culprit.  It will be interesting to see what it is like next week after a couple days of 50 degrees and some rain can do...

I was downtown Monday morning at the end of rush hour and was amazed to see traffic on Ontario and East 9th backed up all the way onto the Inner Belt, then south/west on I-90, I-71 and the Jennings for about two miles.

 

I also think the back-up were related to the snow piles taking up a lane of traffic. The same thing was happening on West 117th the last two days, as traffic was stop-and-go in both directions during the mornings and afternoon between Bellaire and Lorain. That's probably a good mile to mile-and-a-half of stopped cars.

I would say the snow is playing a large role.   There are still a lot of lanes closed that is causing bottlenecks.  I mean, the turn lane heading east on Lorain/Carnegie to Ontario that leads to, well, every major highway, has yet to be cleared. 

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/plaindealer/2008/03/still_chipping_away_at_the_mes.html

 

What's the state of the Public Square sink hole these days- are the streets still closed?  Has traffic learned to live with it yet or is the commute still noticeably worse?

 

And...

 

From http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/04/water_main_break_causes_sink_h.html

 

Cleveland Police are diverting traffic around a sink hole near a 12-inch water main break at East 55th Street and Carnegie Avenue. Police have also closed portions of Cedar Avenue, Ashland Road near East 55th.

 

Cleveland Water Department Spokesman John Goersmeyer said that they have crews on-site trying to isolate the leak by turning off water flowing to that section of the pipe. Goersmeyer said that he is not sure how many people will be affected by the water shut-off.

 

RTA has been notified of the road closings.

^^definitely walked by that today :(...didn't look bad at all--just lovely press on negative news.

I have had to drive for several days because of work or doctor's appointments and I think the traffic is definitely worse than I remember, but it's 2 things - the sinkhole and the fact that E 9th is completely torn up as well and down to one lane between Superior and Bolivar.  And there are big bumps and holes to go over when you cross over Euclid that cause people to really crawl through that 1 lane.  It is a complete nightmare getting in and out of downtown during rush.  I have been going way out of my way to avoid sitting in it.  When I go home I cross the detroit-sup bridge and take 25th all the way up to 71 as it's such a mess.  Coming in I get off at 9th but go east to like 14th or 17th and cut down to St Clair (which is also down to 1 lane near the Galleria) to get to the garage.  It seems like everything is under construction at once and nothing is getting fixed.  :x  Glad I'm going out of town for a few days.

I drink a glass of wine and eat appetizers and watch people drive in gridlock out my window trying to get home after my 3 minute commute. I pity them, but I am told by them I will be robbed eventually so I guess we are even

What a mess.  There was a break in one of the smaller water pipes on the street I lived on in Old Brooklyn last summer, and the water was allowed to run out through the cracks in the street for three and a half days after I first called it in.  At the time I was very frustrated.  There was a forty foot section of the road that had water flowing out from the cracks, but the city told me that this wasn't a priority and that there are much bigger breaks to fix.  I guess I see what they were saying now.