^ Right everyone I know from Cincy was on tOSU nuts the past decade

 

Uh, no.

So you don't like either team because I root for both of them? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Their is a difference between criticism and ignorance. Do you hate all of the other schools listed about because they haven't beaten ranked teams?

Wow, aren't we vain. my comment has nothing to do with you personally, and instead to do with most of the UC fans that i've met down here. Until last year (maybe the year before) they were OSU fans. Now that UC has a team they're jumping on the bandwagon as fast as they can.

 

I believe in loyalty to a team. I have one team that i root for (happens to be my alma mater) in college, one in the NFL, MLB, NHL and NBA. I don't believe in divided loyalties and i have strong feelings about people that didn't go to a school talking trash.

 

I didn't hate Ohio State nearly as much until i moved here and everyone i met told me how much they hated Michigan when they found out i lived there. They're worse than Michigan fans down here.

 

I'm guessing you went to Michigan State.

Once Cincinnati is in the national championship game, people will quit talking trash.

 

And the day that happens is the day I can take the Vine Street Subway to the trendy TOD @ Winton Hills.

I'm guessing you went to Michigan State.

Yep. Spartan, through and through. I don't hide it.

 

I've met many people in Cincinnati that talk about "us" and "we" interchangeably with "UC" and "Ohio State."

 

After the superbowl two years ago one guy was talking to another about how great it was to see one of "our" guys get the game winning catch.  He was talking about Santonio Holmes.  One of them went to UC the other to Miami.

 

When we're talking about Michigan fans we refer to these folks as Wal-mart Wolverines.

So you don't like either team because I root for both of them? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Their is a difference between criticism and ignorance. Do you hate all of the other schools listed about because they haven't beaten ranked teams?

Wow, aren't we vain. my comment has nothing to do with you personally, and instead to do with most of the UC fans that i've met down here. Until last year (maybe the year before) they were OSU fans. Now that UC has a team they're jumping on the bandwagon as fast as they can.

 

I believe in loyalty to a team. I have one team that i root for (happens to be my alma mater) in college, one in the NFL, MLB, NHL and NBA. I don't believe in divided loyalties and i have strong feelings about people that didn't go to a school talking trash.

 

I didn't hate Ohio State nearly as much until i moved here and everyone i met told me how much they hated Michigan when they found out i lived there. They're worse than Michigan fans down here.

 

That's just silly. You shouldn't dislike a team just because it starts doing good and they are actually attracting fans. I'm sure that when Michigan State was doing good last year the bandwagon started filling up. That's what happens with every team, no matter where they are from.

I never said that UC will go to the National Championship but I really really want them too. I understand that the big schools have the history that UC doesn't but don't get upset just because they have a shot. I never went to OSU or UC and don't really believe that I need to just to become a fan.

I like OSU because they have always represented my home state and UC represents my home region (don't act like all of you don't do the same thing). Plus, I try and not let myself refer to my favorite sports teams as "we" or "us", I try and give the team the credit by using "they".

I'll go back on topic and say that i don't think UC currently should be ranked as high as OSU because i don't believe they've played any team like OSU did with USC.  I think that we should not be discouraging teams from playing a tough non-conference schedule.

 

Also, I don't believe in pre-season rankings because in typical years (this is not one of them) it is very difficult for a team not in the top 25 to make it to a BCS game.

So Ohio State lost to a team that you consider tough, but who lost to Washington that has a 2-3 record and you think that makes them better than the Bearcats?

 

The preseason rankings have nothing to do with the BCS Standings.  Teams are typically not in the top 25 for legitimate reasons.

 

Ohio state is not being punished for losing to USC.  The rankings are just the perception of where they should be because they lost to USC and barely beat Navy, not considered a powerhouse.

USC lost to Washington w/out their starting QB.  Take Pike away from the bearcats and see how they do. 

And if that happens to UC, then the new rankings will reflect it!

I hope that doesn't happen.  I think it would be great for two teams from Ohio to represent the BCS.  I just don't see either of them playing for a national championship this year. 

^ Take away the starting quarterbacks on most teams and they won't do near as good. That includes all the teams in the top 25. That doesn't mean that they shouldn't find a way to win games. THAT is exactly what UC did last year.

^ Against who?? Va tech?

^ Against all but one of the Big East teams. And please don't start that crap about the BE being the weakest conference. BTW, who exactly is your favorite team? OSU?

If your solely a Buckeye fan and are starting to hate the Bearcats just because of the rankings, don't. Jim Tressel seems to agree.

 

http://www.1530homer.com/pages/mo.html

 

Just scroll down til you see the video with Jim Tressel.

The idea that preseason rankings don't give an advantage to the top teams is laughable.  If a team is in the top ten at the beginning of the season and play a cream puff schedule and do what they should...they're going to stay in the top 10.  Once they get to week 8 the polls are reflected in the BCS standings.

 

Any team that is ranked in the top 5 before the season begins has an advantage over any team that is ranked lower.

 

And, btw, the Big East is the weakest conference.

Yes the Bucks are my favorite team.  Im not a homer that thinks OSU is good enough to play in the NC game.  Just like I don't think UC is good enough.  They're both top 10 at best, not top 5.  If you think the bearcats can match up w/texas, ala, or fla you're delusional.  Just look at what a top 5 team like Okla (last year) did to them. 

^^ Um, I didn't say that it didn't give them an advantage. I said that preseason rankings were pure speculation. That would mean that the rankings are just what people think the team should be ranked. They are not based on a performance that matters. Using the previous years performance and summer practices to guess what a school will be like is laughable. OSU provides a stellar example, they go and play a hard fought game against Texas but lose then they open this year against a very mediocore Navy team and nearly get beat. Preseason rankings shouldn't even be considered.

 

As for being the weakest. It's commonly stated that the SEC is the toughest conference correct? Since the realignment in 2005, the BE is 7-4 against the SEC, 3-4 against the Pac-10, tied at 19-19 against the ACC, 8-4 against the Big 12, 5-13 against the Big Ten, and 69-14 against non-AQ teams (not including I-AA). If the Big East is that weak then it does not bode well for the SEC, ACC, and Big 12 while the Pac-10 has very little bragging room.

I am impressed with all the Bearcat discussion - when I took night classes there while working I used to tease the traditional students that I had been to more games than they had and I had gone to a different undergrad school.  This is an opportunity to really grab the student body and get them involved for life.  Two years ago there were an estimated 212K living alumni with 105k in Greater Cincy - there is no reason the program cannot take a step up if they energize this base as well as local non-alumni.

 

I do think overall the Big East is down this year, but still not worst of the BCS, at least according to the first two sources I checked.  There is a surprise at who has finished 6th and another BCS conference has finished 7th:

Currently, Big East is 5th but were 3rd a couple of weeks ago

http://realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_conf_Men.html

Currently, Sagarin has Big East  5th

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc09.htm?loc=interstitialskip

 

Final 2008-2009 rankings, Big East 3rd on realtime rpi

http://realtimerpi.com/football/2008-2009/ncaaf_conf_Men.html

Final 2008-2009 rankings, Big East 5th on Sagarin

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc08.htm

 

Final 2007-2008 rankings, Big East 3rd on realtime rip

http://www.realtimerpi.com/football/2007-2008/ncaaf_conf_Men.html

Final 2007-2008 ranking, Big East 4th on Sagarin

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc07.htm

I am impressed with all the Bearcat discussion - when I took night classes there while working I used to tease the traditional students that I had been to more games than they had and I had gone to a different undergrad school. This is an opportunity to really grab the student body and get them involved for life. Two years ago there were an estimated 212K living alumni with 105k in Greater Cincy - there is no reason the program cannot take a step up if they energize this base as well as local non-alumni.

 

I do think overall the Big East is down this year, but still not worst of the BCS, at least according to the first two sources I checked. There is a surprise at who has finished 6th and another BCS conference has finished 7th:

Currently, Big East is 5th but were 3rd a couple of weeks ago

http://realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_conf_Men.html

Currently, Sagarin has Big East 5th

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc09.htm?loc=interstitialskip

 

Final 2008-2009 rankings, Big East 3rd on realtime rpi

http://realtimerpi.com/football/2008-2009/ncaaf_conf_Men.html

Final 2008-2009 rankings, Big East 5th on Sagarin

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc08.htm

 

Final 2007-2008 rankings, Big East 3rd on realtime rip

http://www.realtimerpi.com/football/2007-2008/ncaaf_conf_Men.html

Final 2007-2008 ranking, Big East 4th on Sagarin

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc07.htm

 

I agree. There's no reason UC can't be contenders in the Big East year in and year out.  Just look at the amount of high school talent in the greater Cincy area.  You have some of the best high school programs in the country to recruit from within a 15-25mi radius of campus. 

^ OSU provides a stellar example, they go and play a hard fought game against Texas but lose then they open this year against a very mediocore Navy team and nearly get beat.

 

Enough with this barely crap. They barely beat 8 teams in 2002 and they still won the NC! 

So was Ohio State good or lucky in 2002?

So was Ohio State good or lucky in 2002?

 

Who gives a ____.  They won.  They have a National Championship belt, luck or not.  I mean, they literally almost lost to EIGHT teams that year, including Cincinnati (that Purdue game was classic, though).

Enough of the OSU discussion.  I come to this thread to read and discuss the Bearcats, not the Vest and the Buckeyes.

^Agreed. Talk about the Buckeyes in 2012 when they visit, er when UC visits the Horseshoe, pockets $1M, and leaves with a win.

You Bearcat folks are the ones who brought up OSU in this discussion.  I just have to defend my alma mater. 

ColDayMan - you dont' have to defend anything.  Just point out the fact that UC has played OSU 4 times in the past 10 or so years.  The combined score is 121-52 in favor of the bucks.  Bearcats will always be the 2nd fiddle in this state. 

I just wonder how long Brian Kelly will stick around. They were lucky to retain him but I think it will only be a matter of time before big time schools try to snatch him up.

It sounds like Kelly is going to get a lot of time on ESPN radio and television tomorrow (on different shows 11-2) - good to keep spreading the word to the nation.  Maybe some of the students in the group can catch some of this.

ColDayMan - you dont' have to defend anything. Just point out the fact that UC has played OSU 4 times in the past 10 or so years. The combined score is 121-52 in favor of the bucks. Bearcats will always be the 2nd fiddle in this state.  

 

Always, with the exception being right now/this year when they are ranked higher, will be ranked higher, and lose less games?

 

Ohio State fans all love the past.

And we all know the future.  And we all know "dream seasons" since, well, we've had one.  It's called "experience."

Experience, nostalgia, call it what you want.  Last season was UC's dream season, this season is the beginning of a journey. 

 

I think UC can establish themselves as a permanent Big East powerhouse, with the likes of WVU and Pittsburgh.  And with the perpetually weakening Big 10, it would be interesting to see a rivalry born between UC and OSU. 

A journey of dreams.  AKA a 1987 ride at Kings Dominion.  Both, though, will (and came) to abrupt endings with Scooby Doo.

 

And last I checked, the Big 10 actually (and surprisingly) improved this year.  Iowa, Wisconsin, MINNESOTA (of all teams), and shockingly decent Indiana, Michigan's resurgence (though MSU got that last laugh), and a better Ohio State (who almost beat USC until the last couple of minutes). 

Am I the only person here who would rather not see the two teams play, at least not in the regular season?  Perhaps it's that I have no preference for one team of the other as I am not a student/graduate of either, but I would prefer them to continue not playing each other.  (Maybe this opinion has more to do with my undergrad and graduate schools playing each other every season....)  Both teams had a real shot at going undefeated this season (and a one loss season is still a realistic outcome for the Bucks), and an OSU/UC matchup would have meant one team was walking away a loser.  Let them duke it out in a bowl game once they both have gone undefeated.  (Of course, they would not play each other in a bowl game unless they were #1 and #2...)  Anyways, just my 2c. 

(I'd like to point out that Michigan State, if not for 2 unfortunate plays would be 4-1 right now. should have beaten ND and lost to CMU after a lucky on-side kick...not an excuse...but, they're a short hair from being 4-1)

 

Is UC better than NW, Illinois and Indiana? probably.  Could they beat MSU this year? yeah...probably.  I'd still put them roughly in the middle of the Big 10.

Definately agreed on that but it's saying something that perhaps the top team in their conference (the Big East) would only be middle-pack in the Big 10.

If UC were to make it to the NC could they compete with a Texas, Florida, or Alabama...probably not.  But that doesn't change the reality that there is a decent chance they end up there.  If UC runs the table they will be in the top 5 and might be one of two BCS schools without a loss.  If that's the case then it's pretty hard to not put them in the NC game whether you think they'll win or not.

 

As for OSU, yeah they are still the team in Ohio and will always be the team in Ohio due to their history and Big Ten affiliation.  That doesn't change the fact that UC is now in a BCS conference of their own and making their presence known.  More often than not OSU will probably have a better team and a much larger following, but that will not always be the case in every season.

 

If UC were to make it to the NC could they compete with a Texas, Florida, or Alabama...probably not. 

 

 

Flashback to last year:

 

If Utah were to make it to the Sugar Bowl could they compete with Alabama...probably not.

 

Spanked 'em though, didn't they.

^ That is a good point.

^^True but Bama could beat 25% of the NFL teams this year though!  Just Sayin!  Roll Tide!

 

Anyway, South Florida on Thurs is going to be a pivotal game for the Cats.  I'm on this bandwagon now, so long as they don't cross paths with Saban and the boys.

I puke a little bit every time I hear someone say "Roll Tide."

UC has a chance to prove to the world they belong in the top10 this Thursday.  If they beat a legit team like S Fla at home that will change a lot of the perception's people have (outside of this region). 

 

As a side note the B10 from top to bottom has been down for at least 3 years.  I hate michigan more than anything, but it does hurt the league big time when they're not in the top 15. 

^Absolutely, about the S Fla thing!

 

I puke a little bit every time I hear someone say "Roll Tide."

 

Don't hate too much!  Their is a Cincy connection built into the program!  :wink:

UC has a chance to prove to the world they belong in the top10 this Thursday.  If they beat a legit team like S Fla at home that will change a lot of the perception's people have (outside of this region).

 

This Thursday's game is big, but once again, Rutgers and Oregon State (both on the road) are no slouch games...and we beat them both up pretty bad.  Fresno State was another nice win.  I don't know why UC has gotten knocked so much for their schedule.  Granted we haven't played a perennial powerhouse this year, but it's just a matter of scheduling.  Oklahoma rolls into Cincinnati next year, then we play at Tennessee the following year, with Ohio State after that.

I agree it is scheduling and teams can't do anything about it but win games.  Keep telling yourself rutgers and oregon st are impressive wins.  Look at who those teams have played (Howard, Texas Southern, Portland St) give me a break. 

 

Going into S Fla and beating a team that actually plays defense will send a message and help improve cincy's perception to OUTSIDERS (like I said in previous post).   

I agree it is scheduling and teams can't do anything about it but win games. Keep telling yourself rutgers and oregon st are impressive wins. Look at who those teams have played (Howard, Texas Southern, Portland St) give me a break.

 

Going into S Fla and beating a team that actually plays defense will send a message and help improve cincy's perception to OUTSIDERS (like I said in previous post).

 

Every team plays bad teams. Oregon State also has to play Oregon, Cal, Stanford, and, oh yeah...USC. They're no slouch of a team, although I wouldn't classify beating them a marquis victory.

I agree it is scheduling and teams can't do anything about it but win games. Keep telling yourself rutgers and oregon st are impressive wins. Look at who those teams have played (Howard, Texas Southern, Portland St) give me a break.

 

Going into S Fla and beating a team that actually plays defense will send a message and help improve cincy's perception to OUTSIDERS (like I said in previous post).

 

Rutgers was picked to win the Big East after a successful season last year, and lots of returning starters.  UC went to Jersey on opening weekend and absolutely destroyed them.  That's an impressive win, no matter how you put it.  S. Fla could be a bit more impressive though, as they have proven more this season, as opposed to Rutgers who just had the pre-season hype.

I asked this a couple weeks ago and nobody said anything.  I assume I just jumped in at the wrong time.

 

I need tailgating advice.  I will be taking a large group to a game this year and need to know a good spot for 25 people to party.  What is the best lot for location/price?

^ If you already do not have a parking pass for an on-campus tailgating lot (like Corry Lot which isn't even shown on the map) then I might try Schiel School lot which I think is first come, first serve.

Here is a parking map for ON Campus: http://www.gobearcats.com/tickets/cinn-tickets-park-directions.html

I usually do the tailgate hop from different Greek houses, to lots, to the stuff on-campus.  On Homecoming I'm going to be walking around with my own tailgate food - Stir Fry Bowl with crispy egg noodles and sate sauce from Cilantro.

Resurgent Cincinnati Inspired by Bond With Young Cancer Patient

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/15/sports/ncaafootball/15cincy.html?_r=1&src=twt&twt=nytimes

By PETE THAMEL

Published: October 14, 2009

 

CINCINNATI — The Cincinnati Bearcats are neck-and-neck with Ohio State in the polls, their quarterback is a Heisman Trophy contender and they have surged into the national title conversation. With the country’s hottest coach in Brian Kelly, a devastating offense that is ranked No. 3 nationally in scoring and a revamped defense that replaced 10 starters from last season’s Orange Bowl team, Cincinnati is enjoying a renaissance.