The other fumble was overturned. It was rulled a touchdown

We're great at hanging on to the ball, I guess.

Anyone worried that Kelley may bolt for Notre Dame? Supposedly he's very interested, but he's not ND's top candidate right now.

Where did you hear that he's very interested?  I've heard everything but that.

w00t!

The Kelly and ND rumors are gonna fly around like crazy. Kelly did say that he was going to "entertain" talks with ND but I hope he stays where he is. It was a sloppy game today but they did win and thats all that matters. Now we need Texas to lose.

Uc will step up and pay him.

Congrats to UC and the perfect season!!

That was an incredible game yesterday.  In addition to that... UC was SOOOOOO close to a possible BCS championship game birth.  Nebraska kicks a FG to go up 2 on Texas with about a minute left.  Then the kicker kicks the ball out of bounds on the kickoff putting Texas at the 40 only needing a FG to win the game.  Then they complete a 15 or 20 yard pass with a facemask penalty thrown on top of it effectively putting them in FG range.  Unbelievable.  THEN, Colt McCoy runs a play with about 7 seconds left on the clock, eventually throwing the ball out of bounds with all zeros showing on the clock.  Nebraska storms the field, but the officials review it and determine there was 1 second left on the clock and Texas kicks the game winning field goal.  The UC bearcats could smell Alabama...

UC #3 in the BCS...so close.

that was a hell of a crazy win. wow.

They CAN beat Florida!!

I heard on the radion in CLE today that Kelly is meeting with.... errrr, "listening" to.... ND officials today in NYC about the head coach job.  This is not the time that Cincy needs this kind of distraction, getting ready for possibly the biggest game in their program's history.  There should be some kind of rule in the NCAA that another school cannot talk to a coach until the season is over.

Yea he's as good as gone.  Not only will it hurt them in bowl preparation, but thats a killer for recruiting. 

he's campaigned for the job pretty hard...and before he came to UC he stated that his two dream jobs would be ND and BC.

 

The question is going to be does ND want him?  Does he blow the interview? we'll have to see what happens.

 

I do think that if he's not gone this year that the rumors are going to keep coming every year and believe me...that gets old real quick.

How has he campaigned for the job??

 

He's in NYC for the Hall of Fame dinner, and will not be meeting with Notre Dame at all while there, that's his word via Twitter.  Sometime over the next two weeks he will "listen to what they have to say," which is not exactly an interview.

 

Also, Notre Dame's offensive stars all declaring for the NFL Draft a year early may have an effect on Kelly's decision.  Why would he want to go into a program needing a rebuilding year when he can stay on a team that's favored to win the league next year, and likely for another BCS appearance?  I know I'm in the minority, but it doesn't seem like a good fit for BK and I get that feeling from the way he discusses it.  He hates the media, hates the rumor mill, and just wants to focus on winning ball games.  None of that is possible in South Bend.

My ND alumni co-workers who claim to have inside knowledge, say that Kelly was #3 on ND's list of coaches they wanted to offer the job.  The first two were Urban Meyer and Bob Stoops.  Meyer was never really in the conversation and Stoops apparently has no interest in leaving Oklahoma.  That makes Kelly #1 and ND will make a hard push for him.  And I don't think that ND really does "interviews" for head coaching positions.  They pretty much know if they want a guy or not prior to ever sitting down with him.  So... "listening" is the same as interviewing for this particular job.

 

If Kelly were smart, he should wait on another rumored event - that being an ND Bd. of Trustees vote to return to the 6 exemption system they used under Holtz.  Right now, ND will only grant the football team 2 exemptions from the academic portion of the application process. 

Urban Meyer turned it down previously because of the exemptions and the redshirting, and the early admissions.  Kelly will require the same things to compete.  Although they are saying on the radio that neither ND or Kelly would discuss if it wasnt a done deal.  Embarrassing on both ends depending on the answer.

In the economy it is wrong to raise tuition. That will have to be done to get Kelly or retain Kelly. Anyone knows how much it costs to attend ND?

^I think you drastically underestimate ND's "pockets"

 

Take it from a guy who is around ND grads all day long... the school has the money to pay Kelly whatever the FMV is for a coach of his stature.

^Exactly.  They have the largest fanbase in the country.  You best believe they have the $$$ to pay him whatever his heart desires. 

Have you ever been to South Bend? You'd have to pay anybody tons of money to move there. Especially from Cincinnati.

How has he campaigned for the job??

 

He's in NYC for the Hall of Fame dinner, and will not be meeting with Notre Dame at all while there, that's his word via Twitter. Sometime over the next two weeks he will "listen to what they have to say," which is not exactly an interview.

 

Also, Notre Dame's offensive stars all declaring for the NFL Draft a year early may have an effect on Kelly's decision. Why would he want to go into a program needing a rebuilding year when he can stay on a team that's favored to win the league next year, and likely for another BCS appearance? I know I'm in the minority, but it doesn't seem like a good fit for BK and I get that feeling from the way he discusses it. He hates the media, hates the rumor mill, and just wants to focus on winning ball games. None of that is possible in South Bend.

 

well, by putting out all sorts of statements about being interested...that's pretty much an open declaration of love in the college football coaching world.

 

Yeah...he isn't having a "formal interview" today but you can bet your @$$ that his representatives are in furious negotiations with ND about his contract.  He won't have a formal interview until it's a done deal.

 

Yeah, several guys declared...but Weis wasn't a terrible recruiter.  Why might he go to ND? because of the money and the prestige that comes with it.  ND will pay him way more than UC could hope to...nor should UC pay him as much as ND will. 

Have you ever been to South Bend? You'd have to pay anybody tons of money to move there. Especially from Cincinnati.

 

Location doesn't mean jack.  Most of these coaches live in Florida, North Carolina, or Arizona part-time.

^^ It's only prestigious if they win a lot of games. If they have a losing record they get no loving from the media. I hope Brian Kelly stays at UC but if he doesn't then I just hope the they can find another awesome coach.

^^^are you serious? Every one of their games is on national tv.  Win or Lose ND > UC

Yeah, that NBC contract is a powerful thing.

^^^are you serious? Every one of their games is on national tv. Win or Lose ND > UC

When was ND last ranked? I never seen them on TV.

^^^are you serious? Every one of their games is on national tv.  Win or Lose ND > UC

When was ND last ranked? I never seen them on TV.

 

All of the their home games is on NBC. And they were ranked #22 in the BCS Poll on Week 9 of this season.

^wow, if you've never seen them on tv than I can't help you............EVERY ONE of their home games is broadcasted across the nation on NBC since 1962.......In addition their games @ Pitt, Stanford, and Michigan were on TV. 

 

They were ranked in the top 25 as late as 10/31/09. Some people shouldn't comment on football

^ Are YOU serious? They aren't considered prestigious just because they play on tv. If that was the case then Boise State would be considered prestigious. Their football program has largely been a joke since Lou Holtz left. And I'm not saying that Notre Dame is worse than UC (though I'm sure the Bearcat players would strongly disagree with you). What I am saying is that if Kelly goes to ND and doesn't get them into BCS games then he will be considered a failure to the Irish fans. Losing isn't very prestigious.

^^^are you serious? Every one of their games is on national tv.  Win or Lose ND > UC

 

What is your problem?  If you have nothing constructive to add, or if you just want to be negative, take it elsewhere.

As big a UC fan as I am, one doesn't turn down the opportunity to go to Notre Dame.  It's program IS on a different level than UC's.  Maybe one day, it will be different, but it will still be difficult for UC to do this year in and year out.  Remember, Louisville was in UC's position just a few years ago, and couldn't sustain it.

 

My problem is with the process that allows coaches to leave at will, with a major bowl game remaining.  Dantonio did it to UC a few years ago, the coach at WV left last year in the same way to go to Michigan,  Saban left LSU in the same manner to go to Alabama.  They should be made to sit out a year like the players.

 

The discussion of the Bengals losing to a wild card team doesn't belong in this thread.

In the economy it is wrong to raise tuition. That will have to be done to get Kelly or retain Kelly. Anyone knows how much it costs to attend ND?

 

I thought most athletic programs came from funding that is separate from tuition.

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Guys, cool it or this thread gets locked. I'm not going to wade through and delete pissing matches between overheated hotheads.

In the economy it is wrong to raise tuition. That will have to be done to get Kelly or retain Kelly. Anyone knows how much it costs to attend ND?

 

I thought most athletic programs came from funding that is separate from tuition.

 

They should all be separate. I know the common misconception at my alma mater (UofK) that the athletics program is subsidized by tuition, but they are actually self-sufficient and generate a hefty profit. I can't find anything that says UC subsidizes its athletics program with tuition.

Probably a little late, how about a fundraising drive specifically for a BK salary increase.  I know I'd committ $100 a year for 5 years.  If you can get 10,000 alumni to do the same, it would be $1m a year.

It's not about the money.

If I were a UC fan, I'd feel pretty bad about the prospects of Kelly leaving. Still, you need be be realistic. UC is not a top tier program right now. Dantonio made great strides. Kelly made great strides. If UC hires well (if Kelly leaves), then the success could continue and UC could be up there. It takes a while to build a successful program and a successful football culture. Notre Dame was not built overnight and UC will not be built overnight.

 

UC is pretty amazing success story over the past few years. Things look good even if Kelly leaves.

It's not about the money.

 

Its always about the money, unless you don't have money.

What is disappointing is that Kelly has not even gotten the blue chip recruits yet.  The Queen City could provide much of the pipeline for him to have success his entire tenure.  We all understand ND's tradition, but when is the last time they were relevant?  They have been more of a coaches' graveyard than a football power recently, and that is why fans would have a problem.  We know Kelly is a success at Cincinnati, but he could simply be one more in a list of failures at ND.  The move would be for the money.

The challenge for UC is that it actually can't get better than this. UC is literally sitting in third/fourth place heading into the end of the season. If Kelly leaves, I'd say we had our moment like we did in the early 50s under Sid Gilman. Stop construction on the practice fields - UC could put that space to much better use - I hear Langsam is running out of room, and return to the Minter level of investment - 2nd or 3rd in the Big East with an insignificant bowl each season should be UC's goal. They aren't leaving the Big East and the NCAA football powers aren't letting a Big East team win the National Championship. They aren't going to go undefeated again in our lifetime and Brian Kelly will be gone from Notre Dame in 5 years or less just like the previous coaches and then he'll do TV or become an assistant to the pros or whatever else for ND coaches do. I hear the bad ones are motivational speakers.

My problem is with the process that allows coaches to leave at will, with a major bowl game remaining.  Dantonio did it to UC a few years ago, the coach at WV left last year in the same way to go to Michigan,  Saban left LSU in the same manner to go to Alabama.  They should be made to sit out a year like the players.

 

a couple things: 1) Saban didn't leave LSU to go to Alabama, he left LSU to go to the Miami Dolphins and then went to Alabama after he washed out of the NFL.  Saban DID leave Michigan State in an absolutely stunning move to go to LSU after the 1999 season.  I was there, it sucked.

 

2) No school will ever seek to hold coaches to their contract because it will mean that they will never get a coach of any worth again.  Include all the buyout clauses you can...but, do you think UC gave a damn about Kelly's contract with Central Michigan when they hired him? Not a chance.  Unless they hire inside, they're unlikely to care about the next coach's contract with his current employer either.

The solution isn't that hard. . . the NCAA needs to implement the kind of rules no tampering rules that mean you can't negotiate with a coach without permission or until the season is complete.

My problem is with the process that allows coaches to leave at will, with a major bowl game remaining.  Dantonio did it to UC a few years ago, the coach at WV left last year in the same way to go to Michigan,  Saban left LSU in the same manner to go to Alabama.  They should be made to sit out a year like the players.

 

I couldn't agree more.  The current process is a joke and is an insult to the players and fans.

My problem is with the process that allows coaches to leave at will, with a major bowl game remaining. Dantonio did it to UC a few years ago, the coach at WV left last year in the same way to go to Michigan, Saban left LSU in the same manner to go to Alabama. They should be made to sit out a year like the players.

 

I couldn't agree more. The current process is a joke and is an insult to the players and fans.

i just went back to the beginning of this thread and took a look to see what you guys thought when Kelly was hired.

 

Not a single peep about how UC shouldn't hire Kelly away from Central Michigan while he was under contract.  Not a word.  Oh, there was a lot of horrible things said about Mark Dantonio, but you were strangely silent on the contract issue, just as i'm sure you will be if UC hires a coach that is currently under contract somewhere else.

 

December is much too important to recruiting (with signing day being in early February) for coaches to not get out there and do what they can to get their class together.

My problem is with the process that allows coaches to leave at will, with a major bowl game remaining. Dantonio did it to UC a few years ago, the coach at WV left last year in the same way to go to Michigan, Saban left LSU in the same manner to go to Alabama. They should be made to sit out a year like the players.

 

I couldn't agree more. The current process is a joke and is an insult to the players and fans.

i just went back to the beginning of this thread and took a look to see what you guys thought when Kelly was hired.

 

Not a single peep about how UC shouldn't hire Kelly away from Central Michigan while he was under contract. Not a word. Oh, there was a lot of horrible things said about Mark Dantonio, but you were strangely silent on the contract issue, just as i'm sure you will be if UC hires a coach that is currently under contract somewhere else.

 

December is much too important to recruiting (with signing day being in early February) for coaches to not get out there and do what they can to get their class together.

Who do you think you are coming on this board talking about some bs.  All the UC fans are not on this board. Who said BK shouldn't go because he has a UC contract? Show me that post.