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When this project was first announced (before it stalled) I recall that a Walgreens was proposed for the 7th and High corner of the project.

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In 2014, Campus Partners, the university's real estate affiliate, bought two problem carryout businesses on 4th Street in Weinland Park.  Here is the original 2014 posting in this thread:  https://www.urbanohio.com/forum/index.php/topic,3770.msg711335.html#msg711335

 

-- Kelly's Carryout (1521 N. 4th Street) was a single-story purpose-built suburban-style carryout at 11th & 4th.

-- D&J Carryout (1395 N. 4th Street) was a two-story building converted into a carryout business at 8th & 4th. (D&J was later sold to Community Properties of Ohio, an affordable housing agency, for $25,000).

 

Since those 2014 purchases, the problem carryout businesses have been shut down.  But the redevelopment of those properties hasn't happen yet.  Many people have wonder why (including some Urban Ohio posters).  So did Business First.  So they found out and wrote an article that was posted Friday:

 

Here's why those old 4th Street carryouts linger amid Weinland Park's redevelopment:  https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2018/04/20/heres-why-those-old-4th-street-carryouts-linger.html

 


Unfortunately, the full article is behind a paywall.  But here's the gist of that Business First article, if its not available to you:

  • Erin Prosser, community development director of Campus Partners said in the article that the Kelly’s site at 1521 N. 4th Street "was a former gas station (and is) challenged from a redevelopment standpoint by the presence of underground tanks."  In 2016, Campus Partners hoped to receive state funding to remove the five underground tanks, but Prosser said that the group discovered the site was not eligible.

  • Prosser said Campus Partners knew the Kelly's redevelopment could take a long time when it purchased, "However the goal to decrease crime and improve safety ... was a more important concern."

  • Community Properties of Ohio owns the D&J site at 1395 N. 4th Street.  Business First reported in 2016 that there was talk of Community Properties turning the building into a daycare facility.  Chad Ketler, president of Community Properties, said that option is still on the table.  But the group also is open to options like a store with fresh produce options or a coffee shop.  "We are actively engaging with the (Weinland Park Civic Association's) housing committee about the potential for repurposing that space and looking for partners to do that or take control of the site if need be.  We want to be a good neighbor there," said Ketler.

  • Michael Wilkos, United Way of Central Ohio's senior vice president of community impact (and Weinland Park resident) was also quoted in the article.  "I have seen an incredible amount of redevelopment and new construction all over the neighborhood.  I would rather see these two sites be well developed with the long-term need of residents in mind rather than quickly redeveloping them."  In line with the neighborhood's long-term needs, Wilkos said he would like to see the carryouts be turned into a daycare center, a mixed-use facility or laundromat.

The info in the summary appears to be up to date. In addition to meeting on April 9 with Chad Ketler of Community Properties, the housing committee of the Weinland Park Civic Association released a Weinland Park Commercial Study a few months ago (conducted by the Neighborhood Design Center).

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Most of the cladding is on now at 7th/High. It doesn't look terrible. I'm glad they scrapped going with scarlet and grey

 

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^The barriers on High St. were removed a couple of days ago - one less bottleneck.

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Some late August views of the Uncommon Columbus project (if they're still calling it that) from CU:

 

View from High Street & 7th looking northward at the six-story apartment building:  https://www.columbusunderground.com/construction-roundup-august-2018-part-1

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View from High Street looking southward at the ground-floor retail in the six-story mixed-use project: https://www.columbusunderground.com/construction-roundup-august-2018-part-2-we1

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N. Grant Ave. Anyone know what this "mound" is about? 

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53 minutes ago, surfohio said:

N. Grant Ave. Anyone know what this "mound" is about? 

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Its called Shrum Mound, it's actually an Ohio Historic Site (conveniently hidden between lite industrial and a neighborhood). 

 

The mound is about a 2000 year old Adena burial mound and is basically the last one of these mounds left in the city. Its a cool visit if you ever get the chance. 

https://www.ohiohistory.org/visit/museum-and-site-locator/shrum-mound

 

That isn't Shrum Mound. Shrum Mound is over on McKinley by the Quarry. This pile of dirt is still part of the Columbus Coated Fabrics site along with a lot of the adjacent properties that have been built out. You can see a bunch of photos from the remediation here. https://www.epa.ohio.gov/portals/30/Brownfield_Conference/docs/Presentations/5-Rebirth a Neighborhood.pdf

 

Historical Aerial photo websites show that the pile of dirt was a building before the remediation, and the pdf above shows that the pile was on the site as soon as they finished the remediation. I imagine it is just some leftover dirt from that project that they have yet to use for anything. It doesn't appear that it was meant to be a part of their development here (https://www.columbusunderground.com/398-unit-residential-project-planned-at-grant-park), but I haven't been out to that area in a while and I am not sure what it looks like now. Edit: street view shows most of the pile is gone now. 

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Any ideas as to why it's labeled on google maps? 

 

p.s. I actually do want to visit Shrum Mound now. 

10 minutes ago, surfohio said:

Any ideas as to why it's labeled on google maps? 

 

p.s. I actually do want to visit Shrum Mound now. 

 

Shrum Mound is definitely a very cute little park - you can even climb to the top of the mound.  

 

As far as why that particular thing is labeled, probably some enterprising person on Google Map Maker back when that was a thing. I know it used to be much easier to suggest changes to things like park borders and natural landmarks using Map Maker. Google closed that thing down a while ago and now suggesting feature changes on the map is done within google maps directly. 

I never used Map Maker but do recall exploring its community back when it was a thing. I have a feeling based on the Wikipedia page that its closing was not without drama https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Map_Maker

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Proposed Three-Story Building Would Fill Gap on High Street

 

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A development proposal from Buckeye Real Estate aims to take advantage of a rare patch of open space along High Street in Weinland Park.

 

The Lantern Square apartment complex, at 1444 N. High St., currently sits about 30 feet back from the street. The plan calls for a new, three-story building to fill that space with five additional apartments over ground-floor retail.

 

More below:

https://www.columbusunderground.com/proposed-three-story-building-would-fill-gap-along-high-street-bw1

 

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On 10/11/2018 at 4:01 PM, surfohio said:

N. Grant Ave. Anyone know what this "mound" is about? 

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It has been referred to as "Mt Waggenbrenner" and at one time was referenced as "the mountain' on google maps. 

 

They had letters on it like the Hollywood sign in LA at one time:

https://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/weinland-park-hollywood-sign

 

(from back when CU had a messageboard. ?  )

 

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My left big toe, etc.

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Uncommon still without retail tenants...

 

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8 minutes ago, aderwent said:

Uncommon still without retail tenants...

 

The site plan on the retail leasing site shows Spectrum has leased the space at the corner of 7th and High.

 

2 hours ago, aderwent said:

Uncommon still without retail tenants...

 

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I thought originally this was supposed to have a Walgreens or a CVS, but I could be wrong.  However you can tell the retail market is saturated, a TON of open space on High Street.  Great time to negotiate a good lease if you're trying to start a business.

3 hours ago, .justin said:

 

The site plan on the retail leasing site shows Spectrum has leased the space at the corner of 7th and High.

 

The windows are papered over on that unit - there are small Spectrum "now hiring" signs taped to the windows.

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Weinland Park nonprofit wants to build new community center

 

Weinland Park nonprofit Godman Guild wants to build a community center to serve more people in the growing neighborhood.

 

The group is hosting a series of meetings with neighbors and community leaders this week about the future of its headquarters at 303 E. 6th Ave. It's time to think about expanding the services the Godman Guild can provide, said Ellen Moss, president and CEO.

 

"There are some facilities in the area like the Thompson and Milo-Grogan recreation centers, but we've found they're not accessible to our neighbors because of the walking distance and the roads they have to take," Moss said.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/02/11/weinland-park-nonprofit-wants-to-build-new.html

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On 4/6/2019 at 3:43 PM, Columbo said:

Catching up on Wagenbrenner's continued redevelopment efforts in Weinland Park from the CU construction roundup at https://www.columbusunderground.com/construction-roundup-short-north-university-district:

 

Single-family homes:

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Grant Park Apartments:

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Also at Wagenbrenner's Grant Park redevelopment - something in-between the single-family home and the apartment building:

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They're seemingly really hitting it out of the park in terms of a unit mix for this neighborhood. The townhome/apartment buildings look really nice and the incorporation of the front garden spaces is great (presuming there are garages in the back)

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Five-Story Building Approved for Fifth and Summit

 

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"A plan to build a five-story mixed-use development at the corner of East Fifth Avenue and Summit Street in Weinland Park is moving forward.

The building, which will sit on the northwest corner of the busy intersection, will contain 108 apartments over ground floor parking and a 2,000-square-foot restaurant space.

Several zoning variances for the building were approved by the Board of Zoning Adjustment earlier this week, including one for height (an increase from 45 feet to 60 feet) and one for a small reduction in the width of the parking spaces (although the garage will hold 74 spaces, one more than required by code)."

 

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https://www.columbusunderground.com/five-story-building-approved-for-fifth-and-summit-bw1

This intersection is really shaping up to be quite awesome. The Beeker building alone helps it feel so much more urban.

 

Just need that southeast corner developed! That pizza place is dubious at best, anyway ? 

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On 9/21/2017 at 3:42 PM, Columbo said:

 

According to the CU article, the original Smith & High development was built in 2008 and consists of two three-story buildings fronting High Street with ground-level retail and apartments above.  Below is the most recent streetview of the Smith & High development from High Street.  The 70's-era one-story building that will be replaced is visible in the gap between the two buildings:

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Below are two Google aerials of the block where the addition to the Smith & High development will occur.  Pretty nice block of High Street between 5th & 6th.  An urban Kroger was built north of 6th Avenue; North High Brewing did a fantastic renovation of the former Janiton Building just south of 6th; the former Masonic Lodge was renovated into condos; then the Smith & High development; then the Out of the Closest building at Fifth & High.  The tan-roofed building behind the Smith & High development is where the addition will be built:

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Alley-side aerial view of the same area.  The tan-roofed building behind the Smith & High development is where the addition will be built:

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Similar view showing of the proposed addition to the Smith & High development.  It looks like the footprint of the new addition will be the same the 70's-era one-story building being demolished for this addition:

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The one story laundromat has been demolished. The site is fenced off. Could this project be moving forward?

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Couple more progress photos on the ongoing redevelopment in Weinland Park from https://www.columbusunderground.com/construction-roundup-january-2020-we1

 

New single-family homes line Grant Avenue across the street from the foundations of new apartments at the Grant Park development:

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The three-story residential buildings in the Grant Park development - shown under construction in a previous post - now finished:

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I love these so, so much.

 

Too bad I can never afford something like this, lol. I'd move there in a second.

2 hours ago, Zyrokai said:

I love these so, so much.

 

Too bad I can never afford something like this, lol. I'd move there in a second.

Are these being marketed to families or people without children?  There are all these nice new townhomes being built here and condos in Italian Village, but I can't imagine that the people who can afford to buy them will be sending their children to Columbus Public Schools.  How does that work?  Also, what actually is the price point on these?

The amount of infill going on in Columbus is amazing. I loved my ten years there!

5 hours ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

Are these being marketed to families or people without children?  There are all these nice new townhomes being built here and condos in Italian Village, but I can't imagine that the people who can afford to buy them will be sending their children to Columbus Public Schools.  How does that work?  Also, what actually is the price point on these?

 

When I looked at the first wave of houses they were in the low $200k’s, now they’re in the $300-400k range. I would imagine these condos would be in the $200k’s.

I think the town homes start in the 300s. I live in the neighborhood and I think those with children send their kids to private school if they stay or move to a different school district. The price increase over the past three years has been crazy.

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Here's the plan for the corner of Grant and 5th:

 

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Here's the site in context:

 

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That appears to be from 2013. The University Area Commission though heard a proposal for that parcel on February 19th. It just says multi-family. Not sure why they'd need zoning approval when they received it in 2013.

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An update about Thrive Companies (formerly Wagenbrenner Development) efforts to develop the northeast corner of North 4th Street and East 5th Avenue:  https://www.dispatch.com/news/20200324/will-coronavirus-derail-weinland-park-residential-building-boom

 

Thrive (Wagenbrenner) has been doing environmental remediation work on this site of a former 3M factory.  By this summer, the company believed they would have closure on remediation from the Ohio EPA and could then begin work on a development of 400 apartments with ground-floor retail at the North 4th and East 5th property.

 

But that was before economic uncertainties caused by the coronavirus outbreak.  As Mark Wagenbrenner, Thrive’s president, said in the Dispatch article, those plans are now on hold “until we get clarity in the world.”  “It was a hot market ... until last week.”

 

However, many other Thrive (Wagenbrenner) projects in Weinland Park have been finished or are still under construction:

  • Along Grant Avenue, Thrive has completed the first two stages of apartment development with 246 units and sold 46 single-family homes in the neighborhood.  And the company has recently broken ground on a phase three, which has 108 units.
  • The Columbus Development Commission recently approved two new three-story apartment buildings totaling 66 units at the northeast corner of Grant and East 5th avenues that will be part of the fourth phase that also includes a 42-unit building under construction at the northwest corner of Grant and East 5th.
On 2/3/2020 at 6:00 PM, 4N6science said:

I think the town homes start in the 300s. I live in the neighborhood and I think those with children send their kids to private school if they stay or move to a different school district. The price increase over the past three years has been crazy.

Sad that they are so expensive. 

 

I know this is really petty considering what we are going through now, but I really wish they could have expanded the color palette of these houses. The colors are generally so bland and repetitious. I am not talking about "hey we need some neon pink!" or anything but really they could have a bit more color.  My only real complaint-otherwise they are great infill.

 

*And I hope we/the economy get over this in a year or two and these projects can keep on coming.

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3 hours ago, Toddguy said:

Sad that they are so expensive. 

 

I know this is really petty considering what we are going through now, but I really wish they could have expanded the color palette of these houses. The colors are generally so bland and repetitious. I am not talking about "hey we need some neon pink!" or anything but really they could have a bit more color.  My only real complaint-otherwise they are great infill.

 

*And I hope we/the economy get over this in a year or two and these projects can keep on coming.

 

I totally agree with your color palette comment. I walk by almost daily and I think to myself, "A bunch of guys totally picked these colors." I'm assuming that they picked a few color options and bought bulk and that is why we see the bland boring palette over there. Someone seriously loves gray and blue!

 

From what I see, construction continues on all the houses and apartments. I feel that there is a subset of Columbus who are not really affected by the coronavirus and are still going about their regular business. Hell, I just saw a for sale sign pop up on my street. 

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On 6/29/2019 at 9:48 AM, aderwent said:

Five-Story Building Approved for Fifth and Summit

 

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"A plan to build a five-story mixed-use development at the corner of East Fifth Avenue and Summit Street in Weinland Park is moving forward.

The building, which will sit on the northwest corner of the busy intersection, will contain 108 apartments over ground floor parking and a 2,000-square-foot restaurant space.

Several zoning variances for the building were approved by the Board of Zoning Adjustment earlier this week, including one for height (an increase from 45 feet to 60 feet) and one for a small reduction in the width of the parking spaces (although the garage will hold 74 spaces, one more than required by code)."

 

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https://www.columbusunderground.com/five-story-building-approved-for-fifth-and-summit-bw1

 

They have been moving dirt on site this week. Looks like we may be seeing it take form soon. 

I'm very excited this project has begun to move forward. This will be a great addition to that intersection. Now I want to know how long Del Baggio will last on that other side?

Yeah - that intersection will feel totally different with this new build. I'm looking forward to more infill projects along E. 5th between High and the railroad!

Steel pylons going in at Summit and 5th. More heavy equipment on site. 

 

 

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On 9/21/2017 at 3:42 PM, Columbo said:

 

According to the CU article, the original Smith & High development was built in 2008 and consists of two three-story buildings fronting High Street with ground-level retail and apartments above.  Below is the most recent streetview of the Smith & High development from High Street.  The 70's-era one-story building that will be replaced is visible in the gap between the two buildings:

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Below are two Google aerials of the block where the addition to the Smith & High development will occur.  Pretty nice block of High Street between 5th & 6th.  An urban Kroger was built north of 6th Avenue; North High Brewing did a fantastic renovation of the former Janiton Building just south of 6th; the former Masonic Lodge was renovated into condos; then the Smith & High development; then the Out of the Closest building at Fifth & High.  The tan-roofed building behind the Smith & High development is where the addition will be built:

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Alley-side aerial view of the same area.  The tan-roofed building behind the Smith & High development is where the addition will be built:

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Similar view showing of the proposed addition to the Smith & High development.  It looks like the footprint of the new addition will be the same the 70's-era one-story building being demolished for this addition:

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So this small project is now well underway. I think that many smaller developments create more character to a neighborhood than a block sized project. Plus this is replacing a one story building. Infill, infill, infill is the key to vibrancy! This is the view from Courtland Ave. 

 

 

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So I'm a bit curious about learning more on the process for the development of Grant Park in Weinland Park by Thrive (formally known as Wagenbrenner Development). Is there a place on the City of Columbus site that I can read up on the details for planning of this project? Or is my research limited to what I can find on this site or columbusunderground.com regarding the project? 

 

5 hours ago, 4N6science said:

So I'm a bit curious about learning more on the process for the development of Grant Park in Weinland Park by Thrive (formally known as Wagenbrenner Development). Is there a place on the City of Columbus site that I can read up on the details for planning of this project? Or is my research limited to what I can find on this site or columbusunderground.com regarding the project? 

 

I don't know if this is what you're looking for, but the Weinland Park Collaborative website has a bunch of reports and studies about the neighborhood revitalization at https://www.wpcollaborative.org/reports

 

One of their older reports from 2013 might have some of the background info you are looking for:

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5ada3bc2fcf7fd4e5d4e03a3/t/5b06fc851ae6cf62d418edf7/1527184535352/WPC+progress+report+-+final+with+appendices+-+low+res.pdf

17 hours ago, Columbo said:

 

I don't know if this is what you're looking for, but the Weinland Park Collaborative website has a bunch of reports and studies about the neighborhood revitalization at https://www.wpcollaborative.org/reports

 

One of their older reports from 2013 might have some of the background info you are looking for:

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5ada3bc2fcf7fd4e5d4e03a3/t/5b06fc851ae6cf62d418edf7/1527184535352/WPC+progress+report+-+final+with+appendices+-+low+res.pdf

 

This is very helpful, thank you for sharing these. The other thing I might be looking for is the deal Thrive (Wagenbrenner) has with the City of Columbus to redevelop the site that now houses the Grant Park project. Is that something that I can look up on the city council site? Does such a formal agreement actually exist between the city and Thrive (Wagenbrenner)?

 

Thank you for any insight.

16 hours ago, 4N6science said:

 

This is very helpful, thank you for sharing these. The other thing I might be looking for is the deal Thrive (Wagenbrenner) has with the City of Columbus to redevelop the site that now houses the Grant Park project. Is that something that I can look up on the city council site? Does such a formal agreement actually exist between the city and Thrive (Wagenbrenner)?

 

Thank you for any insight.

 

I've never had much success finding stuff on the city council site.  Maybe others can help out.  As far as any formal agreement, it looks like this might be it.

 

From https://www.columbusunderground.com/weinland-park-housing-planned-on-industrial-site - a Dispatch article from March 18, 2008 that says "Columbus City Council members gave their approval last night for an agreement with Wagenbrenner Development to clean and revive 17 acres in Weinland Park that once was home to the Columbus Coated Fabrics plant."

 

The city eventually rebuilt Grant Avenue between 5th and 11th Avenues, approved property tax abatements, and Wagenbrenner received State brownfield cleanup funds.

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Aubrey Apartments at 5th and Summit

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Smith & High development 

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High Street Streetscape Phase 3. A good portion of the western sidewalk is finishing up...

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Same section of High about 16 months ago

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In front of the Northside Library Branch 

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Work has now moved to the eastern sidewalk

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I just wanna give a huge shout out to @NorthShore647

 

These photo updates are fantastic and much appreciated!

 

Maybe Freelance them to CU since yours are 1. Better and 2. More frequent. Just let UO get the jump on them for a minute first ?

 

Thanks again!

30 minutes ago, DTCL11 said:

Maybe Freelance them to CU since yours are 1. Better and 2. More frequent.

 

They are a total lost cause. Until I saw the news about Harmony Tower, I hadn't even bothered checking that site for 3-4 months. When I went to it to see if they had any additional info on the tower, it was obvious I hadn't missed anything at all. 

Grant Park Progress (Tues. 7-14-20)

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Northern most end at East 9th

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Singly family housing construction finishing up on the west side of Grant

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At Grant and 7th Ave

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Townhome Progress

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At Grant and 6th Ave

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At Grant and 5th Ave

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Developer has submitted a site plan with the city today regarding a mixed-use redevelopment of 300 E Fifth Ave. 

 

The site plan outlines:

- Total height of 6-stories

- Includes underground parking

- Contains street level commercial space 

 

This land currently is mostly green lot and has a small daycare on the eastern corner where Fifth Ave and 6th St meet. 

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