Hold on, Ms. Rush!  Hold on.

Nothing would make me happier that to see this fail.  Greater Clevelnd is over-stored (except downtown, of course) to begin with, and we're just pushing sprawl further and further away from the core.  Can NOACA and/or our civic planners show some backbone and some real urban planning for once?

Nothing would make me happier that to see this fail.  Greater Clevelnd is over-stored (except downtown, of course) to begin with, and we're just pushing sprawl further and further away from the core.  Can NOACA and/or our civic planners show some backbone and some real urban planning for once?

 

I agree. While I am all for Cleveland getting more high end retail, this is NOT the way to do it.

 

I often wonder how the malls will fan out in Cleveland 20 years from now. Randall used to be the cream of the crop, which then shifted to Beachwood, and now perhaps this??? I hope not.

This project sucks! I really hope it falls through. It is so ignorant that this is being built, especially in Twinsburg. This will hurt Cleveland and Akron. It will help no one but Twinsburg and the developer. I think there is still hope since the soccer stadium in Twinsburg has been put off. Everyone moving to Twinsburg, all this new development. What in the hell is so good about it? It's an exurb. Can exurbs ever be cool???????? Never!

Have they given any indication of the types of tenants? I have a feeling they will try to directly position this place against Beachwood by bringing in a Neiman Marcus or something

Nothing would make me happier that to see this fail.  Greater Clevelnd is over-stored (except downtown, of course) to begin with, and we're just pushing sprawl further and further away from the core.  Can NOACA and/or our civic planners show some backbone and some real urban planning for once?

 

I agree. While I am all for Cleveland getting more high end retail, this is NOT the way to do it.

 

I often wonder how the malls will fan out in Cleveland 20 years from now. Randall used to be the cream of the crop, which then shifted to Beachwood, and now perhaps this??? I hope not.

 

Upscale retail out there?  I laugh.  I laugh out loud!

Have they given any indication of the types of tenants? I have a feeling they will try to directly position this place against Beachwood by bringing in a Neiman Marcus or something

I think FC has some sort of option of being the first NM in Ohio.  I vaguely remember something of this sort from my community relations days at SOHIO.  I don't know how long the option is/was for but they have an option to keep another NM from opening in the Ohio market. 

 

I can't see any upscale -  my version - of upscale stores being built out there.

OK, I was in Twinsburg for the first time in ages today and I drove down into the subdivision where this project is supposed to be getting built. It is off of Hadden Road on North and South Park. Well, I made a wrong turn onto Ray Court and ending up going into a very rundown public housing neighborhood. Everyone was looking at me like I was an alien or a black sheep. Anyways, the next street over was not public housing but was also very rundown. A naked infant was walking in the street as well. I've seen many of the Akrom Metropolitan Housing divisions including some in inner city Akron and this one is worse. Well, I spent little time reminiscing the new upscale development, instead wondering two things:

 

1) How does an upscale luxury mall succeed across the street from a rundown public housing development; and about a 1/2 mile from the highly polluted Chrysler Stamping Plant? To me, this location is a joke. I am an urban explorer and have been to some pretty rough places and I hate to say, but I felt very unsafe when I took the wrong turn off of Hadden onto Ray Court. And Ray Court is basically the entrance to this proposed project. I honestly did not know such a crummy area even existed in the "perfect suburb" of Twinsburg, but I assume that it's the kind of place nobody brags about having in their backyard.

 

2. Why would someone build such a project behind a Bob Evans and a Get Go gas station, next to public housing? This to me, is nonsense, absolute freaking nonsense!

 

I was in Hudson at First and Main today for the first time and it seems alright. Why not expand on that and ditch this crap in Twinsburg? Oh yeah, I forgot, the rich surgeon from Lyndhurst and Twinsburg want $$$ and could give 2 damns how destructive this sort of thing will be to Cleveland and even Beachwood if it goes thru.

people in the PJ's like to shop to!  :wink:

 

With a naked toddler running about, apparently there is a need for a clothing store. :evil:

 

No legal or scientific answer, but I think it's safe to assume that the things you saw to day would/will be a distant memory if this "mall" materializes.

Just did a little checking there on Yahoo! foreclosures and there's around 15-20 homes in foreclosure currently, mainly in the $50-75k range.  I think the AMHA development is the only fixture there.  I recall working in Tburg back 8 years ago and thinking that was a rough and bleak little neighborhood.  I'm sure the doc will donate lots of fauna to hide the housing back there and probably fence up his mall.

There is a similar neighborhood just south of Chagrin Falls, another perfect suburb.  Discovered it via Habitat for Humanity. 

 

Anyway, the proposed mall would serve the Solon-Twinsburg-Hudson alley of affluence, not to mention Bainbridge and Aurora.  Beaucoup bucks in these parts and not a department store to be found (sorry Sears Grand, lol).  I guess they are supersizing the Wal-Mart in Bainbridge, sigh :lol:.  Oh wait, there is a Stein Mart in Solon, hey.  The commuter rail lines that these affluent people would crowd aboard in droves to come to Downtown Cleveland's amazingly abundant shopping opportunities are not built yet  :evil:, so they probably drive to Beachwood, or do what many affluent Northeast Ohioans do, shop and spend big bucks out of state (NYC, Chicago, South Florida etc).  If this mall is built and is half decent, I would go there.  My credit card awaits:-D.

There is a similar neighborhood just south of Chagrin Falls, another perfect suburb.  Discovered it via Habitat for Humanity. 

 

Anyway, the proposed mall would serve the Solon-Twinsburg-Hudson alley of affluence, not to mention Bainbridge and Aurora.  Beaucoup bucks in these parts and not a department store to be found (sorry Sears Grand, lol).  I guess they are supersizing the Wal-Mart in Bainbridge, sigh :lol:.  Oh wait, there is a Stein Mart in Solon, hey.  The commuter rail lines that these affluent people would crowd aboard in droves to come to Downtown Cleveland's amazingly abundant shopping opportunities are not built yet  :evil:, so they probably drive to Beachwood, or do what many affluent Northeast Ohioans do, shop and spend big bucks out of state (NYC, Chicago, South Florida etc).  If this mall is built and is half decent, I would go there.  My credit card awaits:-D.

 

Aflluent does not equal "shopper" or a person with taste, only a person in a certain target market.  Look at the crap tastic tacky ass homes those people live in, they don't have any taste!

Oh by the way, regarding Nieman Marcus, they tried the **Sears Hardware -Nieman Marcus style** "The Galleries at Nieman Marcus" at Beachwood Place and it bit the proverbial dust. 

The target market here is the doctors and patients of UH and Cleveland Clinic hospital/medical facilities.  Add in this guys practice.  Add in people coming from Macedonia, Hudson, Glen Willow, Aurora, and Solon.  I doubt there will be too much "East-side" draw.  Its hard enough getting to Tburg from downtown Solon.  The critical piece to this working is the new Cleveland Clinic complex that I don't even think has started to be built yet.  If you're wondering where thats going in, its right by the Tburg BP that had the naked guy getting arrested last weekend.

Oh by the way, regarding Nieman Marcus, they tried the **Sears Hardware -Nieman Marcus style** "The Galleries at Nieman Marcus" at Beachwood Place and it bit the proverbial dust. 

 

'Care to explain this??  I can't wait to hear your answer, especially since the Galleries was never meant to be permanent.

The traffic on Darrow Road is already awful. For the most part, it's one lane in each direction and during rush hour, everybody leaves their industrial park using the only entrance/exit, meaning those parkway's have enormous backup traffic. That's the problem with exurbia and why industrial parks and subdivisions simply suck. One way in, one way out. If that entrance/exit is ever blocked, then bamm, everyone is stuck inside. As a cross-example, a city with a grid system or even a place with windy roads but many cross intersections such as Cleveland Heights, this problem ceases to exist. I would think that the area was never built to be a retail haven, let alone an industrial center and now it's almost too late to spend 100's of millions of dollars to fix the road system - it wouldn't just involve widening a few main arteries, but also adding sidewalks (which cease to exist in Twinsburg) as well as new on-ramps, off-ramps, turning lanes, and so forth. Until that stuff happens, this project is not feasible. The same thing happened in North Royalton - another city with crappy roads and no sidewalks that wanted an upscale lifestyle center. Poor public transportation is another problem in Twinsburg. The infrastructure is not there and it may never be. Twinsburg evolved as an industrial power because of Chrysler and several others and has since become a place for soccer moms and the scared suburbanite who wants a boxcutter house. But seriously, that's all this little city can handle. The new Cleveland Clinic might succeed since they successfully have monopolized the entire region no matter where they decide to open up at (e.g. Amherst). But that is it!

 

Notice that Beachwood Place (this projects "only" competitor) has many main road arteries in the vicinity, each with 5 lanes. There is also a 10+ lane I-271 right there to support heavy traffic, which is why Legacy Village and Beachwood Place co-exist. And as busy as the area is with traffic, there is usually never a "real" jam-up. However, just as I was in Twinsburg yesterday, I was sitting and waiting in traffic, shaking my head as there was 1 lane in each direction with everyone wanting to exit their industrial parkway. This is the condition of their streets pre-luxury lifestyle center. I can only imagine everybody and their mother shaking and rolling their heads as they try to exit this new lifestyle center, with traffic backed up for a mile on Hadden Road. This is the good life, apparently!

Aflluent does not equal "shopper" or a person with taste, only a person in a certain target market.  Look at the crap tastic tacky ass homes those people live in, they don't have any taste!

 

TRUE TRUE! 

From:http://www.neimanmarcus.com/store/service/nmAbout.jhtml

 

"As we approached the turn of the new century, The Galleries of Neiman Marcus debuted, offering an expertly edited assortment of jewelry, tabletop collections, and decorative items in intimate, gallery-like stores in three cities. We began acquiring majority interests in brand-name luxury goods companies such as kate spade and Laura Mercier. "

 

From:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neiman_Marcus

 

"In the late 1990s, the company started a small boutique concept called the "Galleries of Neiman Marcus", which sold jewelry, gifts, and home accessories. The concept struggled and ultimately all three locations, Seattle, Cleveland, and Phoenix, were shuttered. Some believe the locations were wrong and Neiman Marcus officials have hinted the concept might be resurrected."

 

In other words, BIT THE DUST

 

At any rate, I doubt anyone expects Neiman Marcus, or Bloomingdales, or Saks, or Lord and Taylor to show up at Twinsburg, although it would be nice if one did.  It would probably be the Dillard's-y sort of thing. 

 

 

 

I know Von Maur a retailer on the level of Nordstrom was interested in coming to (Greater) Cleveland. But hopefully anything liek that would get put downtown or into one of the region's existing retail corridors.

 

I know Von Maur a retailer on the level of Nordstrom was interested in coming to (Greater) Cleveland. But hopefully anything liek that would get put downtown or into one of the region's existing retail corridors.

 

No, hopefully they put it in Parkman and encourage people to drive even more.  :roll:

Please delete this post- it was a duplicate post

Von Maur did move into Polaris Fashion Place (replacing Lord & Taylor?) on former farmland north of Columbus. It did not move into downtown Columbus.  I believe one of the names associated with Polaris is also associated with the Twinsburg proposal.  Parkman is fine, as long as they do not tear down that hot dog place east of "town." har har

 

Woohoo!!! More auto-centric oversaturated retail-based unsustainable sprawl!!!

 

From wkyc.com:

 

Twinsburg 'Fashion Place' development still going forward

http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/news_article.aspx?storyid=100836&catid=3

 

Posted By: Kim  Wendel    2 hrs ago

 

TWINSBURG -- While other developers are pulling out of Northeast Ohio residential and retail projects for mostly economic reasons, two are going ahead with a $100 million development here.

 

B.G. & Sons, LLC and The Glimcher Co. still intend to build 'Twinsburg Fashion Place' on 93 acres straddling Twinsburg and Twinsburg Township near Hadden Road and Interstate 480.

 

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more tacky ass stores for tacky ass (and most likely overweight) people!

Just an idea of the proximity between this new-fangled sh!tpit and the proposed Jacobs retail center at the former Geauga Lake site:

 

for tacky ass (and most likely overweight) people!

You know, not all overweight people are tacky. Some of us have class.

 

Regardless, this mall idea makes NO SENSE. Especially with the dying Randall Park Mall and the still alive Chapel Hill not that far away from the site.

And First and Main in Hudson, and Barrington Town Center, and Beachwood, and Legacy, and Eton Collection... but god forbid anyone have to drive more than 10 miles for that.

Ba-zing.

 

 

for tacky ass (and most likely overweight) people!

You know, not all overweight people are tacky. Some of us have class.

 

Regardless, this mall idea makes NO SENSE. Especially with the dying Randall Park Mall and the still alive Chapel Hill not that far away from the site.

That wasn't directed at you sweetie!  if I've offended, my apologizes.

 

Now to those tacky ass (most likely overweight) people with no class, standards, style and driving a SUV to get to your local chico's, casual corner or dress barn.  You're tired!

 

 

So they can get funding for this crap but not for downtown projects????

 

 

for tacky ass (and most likely overweight) people!

You know, not all overweight people are tacky. Some of us have class.

 

Regardless, this mall idea makes NO SENSE. Especially with the dying Randall Park Mall and the still alive Chapel Hill not that far away from the site.

That wasn't directed at you sweetie!  if I've offended, my apologizes.

 

Now to those tacky ass (most likely overweight) people with no class, standards, style and driving a SUV to get to your local chico's, casual corner or dress barn.  You're tired!

 

 

 

No worries. :-) Just thought you'd like to know.

5 bucks and a pint of Pierre's Cherry Lemon Sherbet that Kohl's and Penny's will be the anchors, and Abercrombie, GAP, Express, Talbots, Ann Taylor LOFT, and J.Jill will be the "major tenants."

Kohl's?  JCPenney's.  I think I just broke out in a rash!

Ugh I live in Twinsburg and this blows!  I'd rather see this funding go downtown as someone mentioned.  That is a pretty bad location as it relates to housing in the area (projects) and that probably means 82 and 91 are going to need expanded which means more unnecessary construction.