Some updated pics for Stonebridge Plaza are on progressiveurban.com - please do NOT post the photos here :)

 

http://pure.progressiveurban.com/propview.php?view=1111

I was just about to ask, whats going on with this project?  I remembber them saying they wanted to have a grounbreaking in October.  I am assuming they are using the same project management team that they used on their previous project b/c I have not seen any dodge reports.  BTW, I actually really like the design.  All the glass gives it a more massive look. 

As eye-catching as the earlier phases are as you cross the swing bridge, it'll be amazing to see this ultra-modern building as you come under the Viaduct. I like what they plan to do with the Carnaval building - sort of a atrium effect not unlike what they did with the Powerhouse.

holy toledo mayday great find! that looks awesome. i like that it is a different style from the others. tres mod!

 

http://pure.progressiveurban.com/image.php?Id=5380

 

have they broken ground yet? anyone seen whats going on at the site?

 

^Isn't that photo from the website.  They said status of the project is active which usually denotes that it has either begun and land is aquired or contracting methods are alredy in place.  Here's to Price and Corna for "chipping" away at all this land and getting it developed.  I have a feeling that this is what we will see with the Avenue District.  Several buildings built over the coure of time in several phases.  Good to see we have the retail aspect coming to Stonebridge.

^yeah pardon my enthusiasm its from the website mayday gave. there are other renderings there you gotta check it out!

 

i just wondered if anyone has seen any activity on the site itself yet? when it happens i'm sure we'll follow it like pinnacle.

mrnyc, check your private messages - don't worry, it's not a big deal - just a precaution.

 

Nothing is happening at the site yet - I see it everyday from the Shoreway (Main Avenue Bridge) to and from work. As soon as I see anything substantial, I'll let everyone know.

Mayday, there is an old building sitting next to the Carnival now that need's to be demoed isn'there?

OK, so as far as this development goes, this is my favorite design of the group.  HOWEVER, it looks like it's going to have more of the same overhanging floors that jut out over the sidewalks, opressing passers-by without addressing them at all...ie: no ground floor retail or windows.  What's their problem with just building their buildings straight up from the sidewalk?  What ever happened to setbacks?  Also, what's the deal with the distance between the actual viaduct and all of these new buildings?  Is there some sort of engineering regulation that requires them to leave a gap between the viaduct and their buildings, creating creepy crevices and scary "walk the plank" bridges from the viaduct to the upper floors?

 

I'm excited to see that they are planning to incorporate some of the skeleton of the old brick structure on site, but it looks like they're going to be demolishing the vast majority of it.  Believe me, though, I do appreciate the attempt to give a nod to history here!

 

Finally, I'll be coming down here frequently to take pics on the ground (and viaduct) level, so rest assured all progress will be monitored!

I don't think you want to walk around in your skibbys in that building.

I don't think you want to walk around in your skibbys in that building.

 

Oh I think you do!  Looks like "eye candy" heaven to me!  :-o

 

heres where it will be built, not too much of the important part of the structure will be gone it looks

I also wonder why there is no sidewalk retail with this building. I'll be glad to see it get built, but a coffee shop and maybe a newstand would do wonders for making it less like a bunker that you drive in and out of out. Sidewalk activity, and the spontaneous social interaction with neighbors it creates, is one of the wonderful things about city living.

 

KJP

Agreed.  And from the looks of it, they're not only ignoring the creation of interaction with the street/sidewalk that this neighborhood could really benefit from, but they're discouraging it!  Anyone who's walked beneath the current structures on the viaduct level or the lower (river) level knows what I'm talking about.  Again, I use the term "opressive!" 

 

I'm really glad that they will be incorporating some sort of retail into the historic building, but this corner really represents the best opportunity to bridge the gap between Stonebridge and the remainder of the West Bank.  I think this could be one of the most unique, walkable 'hoods in town and they're pretty much saying they're not interested!

 

I hope they prove me wrong!

I'm sure they will put some retail facing the street from the old carnival building.  I don't think it will be like an indoor shopping mall, but I could be wrong.

actually I don't mind this project not having ground level retail.  There are many buildings in many WALKING cities that don't have ground level retail.  I think using the existing building to spire retail and everyday amenities to the West Bank is good. 

 

With the parking lots that are currently there, there is plenty of space to connect adjacent free standing retail or or build future building with ground level amenities or some sort of mix.

 

Although i do agree the base of the building is "weird" however, this could be the developers attempt at being "unique".  :wtf:

The whole building is a little odd in that location, attached to the old building and in light of the style of the previous phases.  renderings are nice, but untill built, who knows exactly how it will fit in.  Still, I like it.

The whole building is a little odd in that location, attached to the old building and in light of the style of the previous phases.  renderings are nice, but untill built, who knows exactly how it will fit in.  Still, I like it.

 

thats exactly what i do like about this phase of the project.  I ads variety to the area.

 

I would rather see buildings that are unique rather than ten buildings that look exactly alike.  It will be a conversation piece.  It will add character.  and will force the next developer who builds to come up with even better design. 

 

If each building was exactly the same, I think it would have a "1970s public housing" affect.

 

If each building was exactly the same, I think it would have a "1970s public housing" affect.

 

Putting a coffee shop, a newstand and/or something else on the sidewalk won't change that. The building would be even more unique with those features added, since few other buildings in that neighborhood have them, nor do they contribute to making the sidewalks a destination in and of themselves. Think Warehouse District, or the ground floor of the Crittenden Apartments at West 10th and St. Clair, or the Chesterfield, etc etc

 

KJP

Don't get me wrong...it's a different design, but I like the variety also.  People were talking about the base of the building being weird...and I'm just saying hey it's all weird, but thats cool.

^there is a differnce between 'good' weird and 'bad' weird.

This project is underway!!!  Demo started today, the site is fenced off and equipment is being moved in.  Demo appears to be going quickly.  Part of the building is down and alot of the asphalt is being ripped out.  Here's to progress.

Wow, that all happened since this morning? Yeesh! I looked at the site when I was on the Shoreway and nothing looked any different. Oh well - hopefully they make good progress before winter rolls in!  :clap:

Ya, get out there with the Digital Camera.  I hope we see more window panes and curtain wall go up on this one then we did the Pinnacle.

^ Does Stonebridge have a website? 

^ Does Stonebridge have a website? 

 

Yes, but the new phase is not  available as far as I know.

 

Website:  www.stonebridgewaterfront.com.

 

November 3rd...What a beautiful day!  Who knew it would be 60s and sunny in Cleveland this late in the year???

 

Now, just a taste...I've got lots more that I will post in due time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Looks like a caisson rig out there either to drill caissons for the foundations or drill a shaft for the crane.  Nonetheless, this is good stuff. 

Yeah, they're really working on this site...they've got all the equipment you see on the outside, doing the clearing for the new building footprint.  But they also had little Bobcats (or something similar) moving in and out of the existing structure, doing whatever needs to be done in there.

 

Just walking around this site for an hour, there is so much interaction with the surroundings...there's a stretch of park along the river...moving bridges...boats...residents walking/driving up and down the viaduct...new construction around the corner...more new construction just up the road (something small, I couldn't tell what it was)...the viaduct, powerhouse, skyline, etc. etc.  What an exciting place to live and do business!

woah thats crazy trump fast -- ha!

 

good news and nice on the scene reportage photos there mgd.

Hey, no problem!  I might not be so forthcoming in a month or so when it's 15 degrees out and the site is covered with snow!

^Wimp! Freezebaby! Get your best Cleveland babushka and goulashes on and snap away@!&$!

I pass the Condominiums at Stonebridge every day on my way across the Detroit-Superior Bridge and I'm beginning to notice more and more lights coming on at night.  Also, on the Viaduct side, there are ten or so "Sold" signs in upper-level windows.  I don't know what the hold-up is for people to move in, but it's great to see that these units are moving along.  According to an ad in this week's Free Times, all 1-bedroom units are sold out and the entire building is "over 85% sold!"  That's hard to believe from what I've seen, but what do I know... There is also a little footer at the bottom, indicating that Stonebridge Plaza (phase 5) will start in the mid-$300's, which is a good $100k higher than the units in the earlier phases.  I'd say this is optimistic, but this seems to be a demand-driven development, so again, what do I know?!

 

On a side (but related) note, a local developer recently told me that banks in Cleveland will finance buildings such as this only if they are over 50% presold...as in pre-groundbreaking.  I would imagine that's pretty tough to do in the current market and that it could be one of a number of factors that has caused projects like Courthouse Plaza and District Park to be tabled (not dead!).  This just makes me more amazed about how the Stonebridge project keeps growing at such a fast pace!

 

i see that scene every time i work at Spaces...

I wonder if the ability to tour a completed unit is what is helping sales at Stonebridge.  I can assume that more buyers might be motivated to put money down on a unit that has a concrete move-in date, as opposed to placing a deposit on a unit whose completion is contingent on the number of pre-sales and construction occurring in a timely fashion.  The Pinnacle seems to be a good example of construction taking longer that initially anticipated.  I'd be a little frustrated with the delays, especially if I had sold another property and had to move by a certain date.  There's just something about buying a completed unit that seems a but more reassuring.

 

On another note, I really like the design of the newest phase a lot.  It should make a great contrast from both the viaduct and the nearby buildings like the powerhouse.

I find it interesting that they said all the 1 bedroom units are sold out. I wonder if future developers or developments in the works will take this a indirect hint to make more 1 bedroom units available.

^agreed, the more this project comes to reality, the easier it should be to sell additional units.  "Look what we've completed already...yours will be even better!"  So, if they succeed at phases 1-4, phase 5 should be the biggest hit yet!  Plus, the addition of more retail elements in the old Carnivale building will add to the allure of this new district.  As I've said on here before, the connection that phase 5 provides to the rest of the flats should be an instigator of greater things on blocks moving north and east from the Viaduct.

 

Just look at all the potential!  I hope property owners down there prove to be more forward thinking than the owners of the lots on the edge of the Warehouse District!

 

 

 

 

Put a parking deck on those lots, and develop the left over land. God I hate parking lots!

what would we have to talk about if not for all the parking lots and tax dollars being spent on highways? 

I have a few floor plans for phase five, but I don't know how to post them as they are in pdf format.  and I don't know how to post them here - HELP!

 

  I don't know what the hold-up is for people to move in, but it's great to see that these units are moving along. 

 

I think it's due to the owners finishing touches.  Painting, delivery of window treatments & furniture, upgrades in carpet.  I think it took me about three weeks to move into my place after I purchased.

 

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what would we have to talk about if not for all the parking lots and tax dollars being spent on highways

 

This should be a location with a direct rail stop.  I mean it could start here in the flats, go up to west 25 then continue down w 25 right into parma. 

 

According to the stonebridges "realtor center" there are no units for purchase available.  This is a perfect downtown location which will become very dense, as I see future phases of this project 

I have a few floor plans for phase five, but I don't know how to post them as they are in pdf format.  and I don't know how to post them here - HELP!

 

You can SHIFT/Prt Scrn the screen image and then paste it into a photo editor, crop it, etc., and then save it as a JPEG.

here goes....

There are more units on the Detroit-Superior Bridge-side that are showing signs of life.  It's exciting to see more lights on as I come home across this bridge at night!  Still waiting for the same effect over at Pinnacle...

^Not sure if they're occupied or just prepping, but Pinnacle has had a few lights on lately - mostly on the northeast corner's upper floors.

I live in an apartment at Stonebridge Tower. Last night I received a letter saying that I had to go the leasing office. So I went there today, and it turns out they are converting all of the apartments in the tower over to condos when everybody's leases end. They are already converting units on my floor that were not leased yet...I saw them ripping the carpet out of one of the units to put in hardwood floors. Seems like a lot of money out the window.  Not sure if that really applies to this topic or not, but I thought it was interesting.

Is that for the entire Stonebridge project, or just the tower?

I live in an apartment at Stonebridge Tower. Last night I received a letter saying that I had to go the leasing office. So I went there today, and it turns out they are converting all of the apartments in the tower over to condos when everybody's leases end. They are already converting units on my floor that were not leased yet...I saw them ripping the carpet out of one of the units to put in hardwood floors. Seems like a lot of money out the window.  Not sure if that really applies to this topic or not, but I thought it was interesting.

 

Well, they probably wouldn't do it if they think that more money will come in the window than goes out the window.

Is that for the entire Stonebridge project, or just the tower?

They said that the plans right now are just to turn the tower into condos...they were saying that apartment renters will get the opportunity to buy the unit they are living in before anyone else. They said the condos have sold so rapidly, that it just made business sense.

I stated before, with the high occupancy (rental) in downtown cleveland, that conversions from Apartments to condo's would be right around the corner.

 

This is just the tip of the iceberg I believe.  I hope owners a) allow current tentants the first crack at units and b) current owner start doing more "rent to own" options in leases.  The more "owners" downtown has the faster the changes will come.

 

Now the K&D owns Reserve Square and will be doing significant upgrades, I see this building going condo.

I wonder sometimes if the East 4th Apts will be going condo once all the ground floors get filled.  That is what I would do as a developer.  I hope I am in a position to buy by then.