Was out shooting some pictures and took a drive through the Flats.

Decided to snap some of the building. It's moving along nicely.

nice!  thanks musky!

Cool pics!

Some random thoughts about Stonebridge:

 

Who owns the actual bridge? State, city, county or the developer??  I would doubt that Price owns it.  Did he get an easement so that he could use the top of it? Does he have a long-term lease?

 

I am very curious as to the next steps that Stonebridge will take.  Its long-term vitality depends upon it becoming its own community.  While it appears to be selling well, I think the key will be to move towards Main Avenue with more housing and limited retail.  It would do a lot for the area if Washington and Winslow Avenues could be lined on both sides with midrises and townhomes.  Currently, the appeal is the view.  After you put in so many apartment towers, the views will become obstructed to a degree.  They need to add some retail once the density is sufficient so that there is something else to entice new homeowners to buy into Stonebridge.  I know that they are renovating the old Cantina del Rio building, but I'm afraid that will suck people in and not create streetlife. 

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I remember reading on here back in November/December that K&D wants to build an office building, and they are trying to lure MCPC of Strongsville to be the main tenant.

MCPC?  Who is that?

Some random thoughts about Stonebridge:

 

Who owns the actual bridge? State, city, county or the developer??  I would doubt that Price owns it.  Did he get an easement so that he could use the top of it? Does he have a long-term lease?

 

I am very curious as to the next steps that Stonebridge will take.  Its long-term vitality depends upon it becoming its own community.  While it appears to be selling well, I think the key will be to move towards Main Avenue with more housing and limited retail.  It would do a lot for the area if Washington and Winslow Avenues could be lined on both sides with midrises and townhomes.  Currently, the appeal is the view.  After you put in so many apartment towers, the views will become obstructed to a degree.  They need to add some retail once the density is sufficient so that there is something else to entice new homeowners to buy into Stonebridge.  I know that they are renovating the old Cantina Del Rio building, but I'm afraid that will suck people in and not create streetlife. 

 

stonebridge has a 50 year lease, and has to maintain it. It is owned by city I believe (or county, but it is not private ownership)the cantina building I am told, will be open to street level traffic as there are plans for cafes and shops. I recall at a neighborhood meeting last dec, The vision of the developer is to line main ave with retail/cafes, old street lights-all the way to the lake. Will he do it? Can he do it? who knows. pure gossip- I heard he wants to do less residential more commercial, retail  etc.  Nothing to back that one  up though. This also doesn't mean that other developers can't do residential where you discussed. Corna and Wolstien should not have fiefdomes anyway on their respective banks of the flats. The good news is this guy (bob Corna) is a visionary. No one said Stonebridge would happen and it did. This is before my time in Cle but I think he was behind the Power house development.

MCPC?  Who is that?

 

Here is some info I got from www.mcpc.com

 

MCPc is a national value-added reseller and direct marketer of technology solutions to over 7,500 organizations throughout the United States. Headquartered in Cleveland, Ohio, MCPc operates from 30 localities, representing over 300,000 products that are offered through a customizable e-procurement solution, MCPconnect.

 

As a technology provider, MCPc offers solutions that drive business results in ten areas: Computer lifecycle management, data center solutions, output management, network communications audio visual integration, network security, software licensing, maintenance and repair services, mobility and wireless, plus a comprehensive business supplies offering.

 

 

Directions to our Corporate Office

Over 40 years of experience has enabled MCPc to develop an industry leading portfolio of offerings. MCPc's business model offers a high degree of customer support through a team of dedicated outside account managers, inside customer service representatives and technical pre-sale and post-sale consultants.

 

 

 

At a luncheon this past winter, Bob Corna told me that the next step Pirce will take is to start building on the parking lots between the current Stonebridge area and Nautica. I have no further details on that. They are also VERY interested in backing a proposed trolley (a real one, not RTA's buses) on the lower deck of the Detroit-Superior bridge as part of a loop between Ohio City and downtown.

there are already  tracks in place on the viaduct, but  wouldn't  they need to extend through the county engineers lot to get to the entrance under the bridge to run under the Detroit Superior bridge?  I assuming this would be an electric trolley car with overhead wires? they actually have had an an old trolley sitting out on the viaduct before. I think if they ran a trolley under the bridge it would be great to have summer farm markets (IE North Union) with local produce and have artists, local crafts, food vendors, and musicians out there too. I hope everyone from Cleveland has gone on the bridge tour, it is something else. lots of great exibits too. So the Trolley-Pipe dreams? maybe, maybe not.  Corna really supports the trolley. I know when we put a deposit down on Stone B in 2003 they were making a trolley sound pretty realistic -maybe just part of the sales pitch!

Corna's vision (and that of a number of others, including Trolleyville USA http://www.trolleyvilleusa.org/ and a new affiliated organization Lakeshore Electric Railway, see http://www.trolleyvilleusa.org/Trolleyville_News_2004_June.pdf ) is to have the remnant of the streetcar track on the 1879-built Superior Viaduct be used as a spur to the trolley between downtown and Ohio City. Several maps have been produced on this, including the Lakeshore Electric Railway's (though I don't think I have their permission to post their map). But others have been posted in the following thread:

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=5563.0

At a luncheon this past winter, Bob Corna told me that the next step Pirce will take is to start building on the parking lots between the current Stonebridge area and Nautica. I have no further details on that. They are also VERY interested in backing a proposed trolley (a real one, not RTA's buses) on the lower deck of the Detroit-Superior bridge as part of a loop between Ohio City and downtown.

 

Good news about more housing on the West Bank!

 

Ok, I also heard about the DS bridge trolley/subway.  IIRC, they would use the old shaker rapid terminal as its right at the foot of the Eastern end of the bridge!  :clap:

I would like the trolleys coming off the lower deck feeding the old Shaker terminal, but that doesn't mesh with a proposed "trolley loop btw downtown and O.City."  I also think, if this were the case, you'd hear something from the City and/or RTA.  Either way, utilizing the lower deck of the D-S and the prospect of even more new units at the amazing Stonebridge (beyond Stage V), is very positive, indeed. 

This is great and exiting news for the Flats. Imagine what the Flats could look like in five years if everything gets built.

A couple snaps from yesterday on the Detroit-Superior Bridge:

 

 

A Classic:

The flats look so amazing

Here are a few more from street level, today:

 

The "market" building and the new building, both moving along:

 

Looking back up the hill from the Powerhouse parking lot (perhaps the next development site?)

 

Another from that spot, with the big crane they've been using (they fold this thing up at night, but it stays on site)

I guess I'm having trouble envisioning how they're going to fill this thing out to the full footprint (as with the lower floors), but it looks to be at its peak height...maybe one or two levels shy.  Perhaps these will be the elevator shafts, which they often do first in construction. 

^Not sure either.  It looks like it's 9 stories right now, and it's still got to get to 12.

i dunno, it looks like they could add 2 or 3 more floors to this thing.  it does seem to have not gone up any higher since the last pictures

thanks for the pics.  I have not seen much movement over the last few weeks either. Don't forget the bridge tour this weekend (sat)- it is amazing!

Oh it has a ways to go before it gets to peak - I think they've been working on the lower levels recently (rather than adding height):

 

I asked around a little today (As opposed to taking my lazy self down to the end of the viaduct to see for myself) and they say they just added the frame for the 13th floor , which I suspect is the roof, or if the 12th floors units are 2 story pent houses, then the 2nd story of them.

Hmm, I took those photos at approximately 8:40ish this morning and I count about 9 stories max. If they work that quickly, I say get them started on the County Administration building!  :wink:

HA . I asked at about 915 on way to work. And they do go up in spurts. I think it is like an erector set or something. Assembled on the ground and lifted into place. Somehow I think the person I asked was mistaken though...you think?

Honey, as long as we see a 12-ish story quality-constructed condo tower fully occupied on that site, I don't care if they have Martians working overnight!  :-D

Don't knock the Martians.  They did a great job with the Pyramids.

^ Awesome.

I went to the subway tour Saturday at the Veterans Memorial Bridge and see that at least two more stories were added since the previous photo last week... just like that.

 

Taken from the under the middle span

 

 

 

 

Taken from an observation point at the eastern end of the middle span - an observation point. One of the only places the county allowed visitors to walk up to the edge.

 

Those pictures are so "twilight zone"-ish.  Spooky!!!

yea i saw them putting in a large "chunk" or section in the other day.  interesting method.  looks more like how tall it should be

HA . I asked at about 915 on way to work. And they do go up in spurts. I think it is like an erector set or something. Assembled on the ground and lifted into place. Somehow I think the person I asked was mistaken though...you think?

No, that person was not mistaken.  When there is a type of interference with the metal decking that is welded onto the steel frame, they assemble sections on the ground and lift them into place.  That is the case with this structure.  Also, if I remember correctly wasn't a light guage steel used for the other Stonebridge structure.  This one does not appear to be light guage just due to the color of it.  Sorry, I know this site is not a structural analysis class, but I was confused when I saw the rather superb photos.

^yeah, you'd better apologize. ;)

 

From the lay point of view, the other stonebridge buildings looked like they were built out of that cheap chrome looking stuff that bends if you apply some pressure. This stuff looks like real steel. 

^Exactly wimwar.  Light guage looks like chrome because it is essentially comprised of the same material they use to fabricate metal studs.  Also, light guage steel is carpenters work, therefore, carpenters are hired to construct the steel for those buildings, not ironworkers.  Kind of makes the ironworkers a little angry.  Just a little tidbit of info.

but it looks like a mix to me.  the first 2 levels/garage and the interior framing for elevator and stair shafts appears normal steel.

 

on level 3, it looks like they are framing out with the light guage steel, similar to the other stonebridge buildings. 

but it looks like a mix to me.  the first 2 levels/garage and the interior framing for elevator and stair shafts appears normal steel.

 

on level 3, it looks like they are framing out with the light guage steel, similar to the other stonebridge buildings. 

You may be looking at the metal studs, however, the interior of the building will be carrying a majority of the dead loads.  That could explain full duty steel on the interior and light duty on the exterior.  Cost saving strategy. 

 

Nice shots, Musky.  Though, it looks like you actually got there early, while I was still sleeping!  Here are a couple more shots from the lower deck of the bridge, around 1-ish:

 

It's definitely gotten taller!

 

 

By the way, yesterday was the first time that I could see the new construction from the bus passing over on the south side of the bridge.  Also, there were two cranes hard-at-work, instead of the normal one. 

How does it look from the warehouse dist/east bank.  Can you see it from there?

^Sorry, not the best image (why I left it out, initially), but this is a shot from the east end of the Detroit-Superior Bridge.  Right at the top of W. 10th and Superior.

 

How many people will live in Stonebridge when phase 5 is complete?

How many people will live in Stonebridge when phase 5 is complete?

I would have to guess around 140 people.

I was thinking about the entire development, just curious.

There will be 400 units total in Stonebridge I-V.  Probably mostly singles and couples living in those units, so 1.5-2 people per unit.  So figure on 600-800 people.  There are three more phases in the works, apparently.  Should be interesting to see them, and how many units they add.

There will be 400 units total in Stonebridge I-V.  Probably mostly singles and couples living in those units, so 1.5-2 people per unit.  So figure on 600-800 people.  There are three more phases in the works, apparently.  Should be interesting to see them, and how many units they add.

What the deuce? 3 more after this one being built? I had no idea. I know a 4-5 story garage was in the works to get rid of some of the surface parking, but wow. I also heard there would be less residential, more commercial, office. either way the more people..the more other cool stuff to come in.

In this months properties magazine, PURE had an ad that said 10 of the units for Phase V have been sold.

all of this may explain why developer B. Corna had an armload of blue prints he was trying to show the ward 13 councilman last time I saw him. I should have been  more nosey

I will ask Corna tomorrow when I see him.

^I heard they have a commercial building and townhomes planned next for the site.

I heard that Corna wants to put a dome over the existing Stonebridge structures. ;)