^There are quite a few of "my people" in Avon Lake, and like you I can't figure out what could possibly compel them to be out there. Some of them have said they get along with neighbors but most of the time, they're going out to places downtown/Ohio City/Tremont. :wtf:

does anyone else get bored of the "feel-good-affluent-person-x-sick-of-the-stale-exurb-life" articles?

 

No offense to you vulp.

 

Honestly I'm surprised they didn't work in a referrence to richard florida.

^There are quite a few of "my people" in Avon Lake, and like you I can't figure out what could possibly compel them to be out there. Some of them have said they get along with neighbors but most of the time, they're going out to places downtown/Ohio City/Tremont. :wtf:

 

You know.  I thought he was one of us.

 

Positive media articles like this and the Avenue podcast will bring folks downtown.  Most gay men I know are like when can we get some real shopping downtown?!  That alone is part of the problem with getting "the kids" to move downtown.  I know its way down on the priority list, but the boys do like to eat, drink, shop and be merry within footsteps of their homes!

 

I have friends in Cleveland Hts., Shaker Hts., Beachwood, E. Cleveland that all say the same thing.  They like their neighbors...but at times feel out of place.  My niece accidentally outed the guys that live next door to my brother - she saw them at gay pride.  I'm still trying to figure out what they needs with a 5 bedroom house and no pets  :?  They said they liked the area and there are lots of restaurants not to far away as they don't like to drive.  i asked them why dont they just move close to the city.  Their response...Chagrin is so close and downtown parking is too much to deal with.  :wtf:  But then again, they are from Ashtabula...so i guess they are taking baby steps.

 

does anyone else get bored of the "feel-good-affluent-person-x-sick-of-the-stale-exurb-life" articles?

 

No offense to you vulp.

 

Honestly I'm surprised they didn't work in a referrence to richard florida.

 

NO...we need more.  Since most of the people that live in the 'burbs are only one or two generations away from living in the city as it is.  Hell, I myself would have NEVER guessed my father lived in the hood until he told me.  My parents are perfect examples of folks who would never downsize and move BACK into the city.

 

Most of these people have parents or grandparents that were born and raised in the city and probably visit those folks frequently....so they need to see that the grass is not "greener" on the opposite side the city boundaries.

I don't get bored of them. I try to keep it in context. Keep in mind that, while this stuff is old hat to us, it's groundbreaking stuff to many readers of the PD.

I don't get bored of them. I try to keep it in context. Keep in mind that, while this stuff is old hat to us, it's groundbreaking stuff to many readers of the PD.

 

That's true that we are more likely to be bored by this, i just feel that between the two papers i read (PD and the Detroit Free Press) I read about one of these articles every two weeks.

does anyone else get bored of the "feel-good-affluent-person-x-sick-of-the-stale-exurb-life" articles?

 

No, not quite yet, but I know what you mean. At this point I still like the press about people making the move to the city and I'm glad their story is being told since we haven't reached that critical mass for downtown yet. Despite the fact that we all have heard these stories before, a lot of people still haven't heard the message. Once we do start reaching that critical mass, I think it will be time to stop reporting on these affluent people making the move into the city.

all the news articles in the world aren't going to cause critical mass to happen

you sound like our parents

"all the news articles in the world aren't going to cause critical mass to happen"

 

Welllll not necessarily. The most common thing I hear on the bus (that goes over the Main Avenue Bridge, in full sight of Stonebridge Plaza) is "who would live there?". Without articles like these, those people on the #55 from Westlake/Bay/River would never know that hey - professionals they might know are there; people in their age group are there, you name it. 

 

It's like peeling layers from an onion - now people on the bus might say "oh yeah, I saw that article about that place" instead of "who would live there?". No, it's not a magic wand but it's a good way to change perceptions and once perceptions change, that removes yet one more obstacle toward getting that critical mass.

The most common thing I hear on the bus (that goes over the Main Avenue Bridge, in full sight of Stonebridge Plaza) is "who would live there?". Without articles like these, those people on the #55 from Westlake/Bay/River would never know that hey - professionals they might know are there; people in their age group are there, you name it. 

 

I encountered a similar situation on the Rapid over the summer. A very cynical woman was talking to a few visitors she met on the rapid. She was explaining, rather loudly to these people that the flats on the right were dead. People get stabbed and thrown into the river, and the Stonebridge apartments were new, but "no one lives in them".  I was so embarrassed.

The most common thing I hear on the bus (that goes over the Main Avenue Bridge, in full sight of Stonebridge Plaza) is "who would live there?". Without articles like these, those people on the #55 from Westlake/Bay/River would never know that hey - professionals they might know are there; people in their age group are there, you name it. 

 

I encountered a similar situation on the Rapid over the summer. A very cynical woman was talking to a few visitors she met on the rapid. She was explaining, rather loudly to these people that the flats on the right were dead. People get stabbed and thrown into the river, and the Stonebridge apartments were new, but "no one lives in them".  I was so embarrassed.

 

Question:  Did you educate her and those misguided visitors???   Fuck being embarrased, you should have flipped the script.  I'm sure not only would she have been amazed with your knowledge of the situation but all in earshot would have taken notice.

 

This is not to critize you, but in general, when you don't say anything....you're a party to the cycle of misinformation.

I fely very bad about not standing up in that instance, however they weren't sitting very close to me. Believe me though, I'm a huge grass roots promoter of Cleveland on various internet forums, and with my peers in bars and at parties.

90% of the time I've been in similar situations, I do speak up. As I suggested to others who complain about the smoking/loitering people in the vestibules at Tower City - SAY SOMETHING. The other day, this group of gals was puffing away, blocking the entrances - I went over to the info desk, informed the cop and he hopped right up and shooed them away. If we don't say anything, people won't know any different.

...I'm a huge grass roots promoter of Cleveland on various internet forums, and with my peers in bars and at parties.

 

 

I know...i've read some of your "Dorothy Zbornak-ian" editorial comments   :wink:

 

EDITED: For MayDay's ego  :-D

Hey! I thought *I* was the Julia Sugarbaker* around here!

 

 

*Translation for the hets: Julia Sugarbaker was a character on the series "Designing Women", portrayed by Dixie Carter. Julia Sugarbaker was noted for her dry wit and outspoken demeanor, particularly when her overdeveloped sense of justice parlayed into a boisterous soapbox tirade.

I don't know who that is, but I'll take it as a compliment

^See my sidenote. I'm trying to keep you guys "hep" to our 'mo jive ;)

^See my sidenote. I'm trying to keep you guys "hep" to our 'mo jive ;)

 

i'm more of a "hip cat" than a "hep kat"

I read your sidenote Mayday, and I watched some clips on youtube. I think I understand now.

I don't know who that is, but I'll take it as a compliment

 

oh to be so young.........

Julia Sugarbaker was a character on the series "Designing Women", portrayed by Dixie Carter. Julia Sugarbaker was noted for her dry wit and outspoken demeanor, particularly when her overdeveloped sense of justice parlayed into a boisterous soapbox tirade.

 

Haha, a poor man's Golden Girls >;[

vulpster thanks for the stonebridge penthouse article. that place is gorgeous. He lives one floor above and over from us. right now his balcony view is sullied by us sitting around in our sweats on the couch. oh the sacrifices you make to live in the city.... 

I'm OK with the articles about people moving in from the suburbs....but it's still a little abstract when you're talking about people with loads of money like the good doctor in this article.  I want to read about people who buy in the city because they want to live in the city and it's a solid investment. 

I'm OK with the articles about people moving in from the suburbs....but it's still a little abstract when you're talking about people with loads of money like the good doctor in this article.  I want to read about people who buy in the city because they want to live in the city and it's a solid investment. 

 

Isn't that exactly what he wants to do???

^I think sooner is saying that it would be nice to read about options for the not-so-wealthy. Perhaps an article on someone who bought a unit at Water Street or Pointe at Gateway.

I'm OK with the articles about people moving in from the suburbs....but it's still a little abstract when you're talking about people with loads of money like the good doctor in this article.  I want to read about people who buy in the city because they want to live in the city and it's a solid investment. 

 

Isn't that exactly what he wants to do???

 

are you saying "regular" people should be profiled too? I think they(media, realtor board etc) are doing that. we were in an "article"/advertising section in Cleveland Magazine a few months ago, along with a family (!)  that moved into (tremont) from the suburbs. We moved from the burbs (in our case the heights)for all the reasons the good doc did, just on a much smaller scale of course!  The interviewer was seemingly obsessed with where we (meaning me, or course)  shopped for groceries. Well, for starters there is a little place called the West Side Market (supplemented by Dave's and Constantino's as needed) . Oddly this key point did not make the article.

I'm OK with the articles about people moving in from the suburbs....but it's still a little abstract when you're talking about people with loads of money like the good doctor in this article.  I want to read about people who buy in the city because they want to live in the city and it's a solid investment. 

 

Well, I've got a kid and we moved into Ohio City. But, my wife is a doctor (resident, so no gobs of money).

Thanks for the article Vulpster. I was always curious who lived in that unit (it is a couple floors directly above where I live). I noticed he has a private parking area in the garage and a vanity plate that reads, "Plasty"  :lol:

I want to know who has that neon palm tree in their window.

I want to know who has that neon palm tree in their window.

 

LMAO!!!  Envious? or is it just that hideous?!

I want to know who has that neon palm tree in their window.

 

LMAO!!!  Envious? or is it just that hideous?!

 

At best, it adds some diversity to building.

"I want to know who has that neon palm tree in their window."

 

Please, please, please tell me it's not one of "my people". I'd hate to have to revoke a membership but we just can't have that.  :-P

"I want to know who has that neon palm tree in their window."

 

Please, please, please tell me it's not one of "my people". I'd hate to have to revoke a membership but we just can't have that.  :-P

You forgot to put in your "evil queen" photo! 

 

Our people would not dare put such a thing in a promenate window!  However, if its found that one of our people is in such violation.  I vote for arrest by the style police and hard time at the Penitentiary of Fashionomics!

Its pretty easy to see as you drive west over the D-S bridge.

well as a rule I would generally never comment on someones orientation. However,as it happens, the palm tree belongs to a married and very outrageous lawyer. Mine is the one with the plastic lawn flamingo. so watch what you say.

well as a rule I would generally never comment on someones orientation. However,as it happens, the palm tree belongs to a married and very outrageous lawyer. Mine is the one with the plastic lawn flamingo. so watch what you say.

 

Ms. Peabody You know we're only teasing.    :-D

 

Pink Flamingo, humm....Is that a tribute to Parma/Parma Hts.?  I wonder who will be the first Stonebridge resident to put a life-size blowup doll in their window?  :|

well as a rule I would generally never comment on someones orientation. However,as it happens, the palm tree belongs to a married and very outrageous lawyer. Mine is the one with the plastic lawn flamingo. so watch what you say.

 

Ms. Peabody You know we're only teasing.    :-D

 

Pink Flamingo, humm....Is that a tribute to Parma/Parma Hts.?  I wonder who will be the first Stonebridge resident to put a life-size blowup doll in their window?  :|

 

Well the flamingo is very parma kitch. It is the antithesis of me so I love it.  I won it while I was working a fund raiser at flowerchild (note: only spouse and I were only strait people invited to host the  event with lots o' pink flamingos) anyway I think  new urban construction can be kind of stuffy so why not lighten it up a bit? Its not like I am hanging my laundry or a rebel flag over the balcony or anything.

Well the flamingo is very parma kitch. It is the antithesis of me so I love it.  I won it while I was working a fund raiser at flowerchild (note: only spouse and I were only strait people invited to host the  event with lots o' pink flamingos) anyway I think  new urban construction can be kind of stuffy so why not lighten it up a bit? Its not like I am hanging my laundry or a rebel flag over the balcony or anything.

 

Alright Ms. Peabody!   I believe a persons home is an extention of their character.  I know every room in my apartment is totally different.  In a comunity like StoneBridge/West Flats, you're bound to get people from all different walks of life which leads to a much more eclectic community.  So now that we have coordinates and visual markers for your apartment...when is the party?  :lol:

I want to know who has that neon palm tree in their window.

 

That palm tree is pretty tacky. What's up with the unit on the viaduct side that is lit up purple all night, every night?

^ the purple light is an aquarium. can you believe it??  I am starting to sound like a real busy body, no?

Stonebridge is cool and all, I would like to live there if I could. But more and more it seems like living in a fish bowl.

^ the purple light is an aquarium. can you believe it??  I am starting to sound like a real busy body, no?

 

Is your name, Gladys Kravitz?  LOL :wink:

^ the purple light is an aquarium. can you believe it??  I am starting to sound like a real busy body, no?

 

Is your name, Gladys Kravitz?  LOL :wink:

 

I love Gladys!!!  LOL

 

Stonebridge looks like an awesome apartment complex.  I can't wait to see this built out!  What a great community. I've read about 10 threads and damn, Cleveland has a lot of cool condo's going up.  Its great to see that the neighborhood has changed from "party central" to a good mix of entertainment and housing.  I wonder why there are no hotels down there, seems like a no brainer. 

Julia Sugarbaker was a character on the series "Designing Women", portrayed by Dixie Carter. Julia Sugarbaker was noted for her dry wit and outspoken demeanor, particularly when her overdeveloped sense of justice parlayed into a boisterous soapbox tirade.

 

Haha, a poor man's Golden Girls >;[

 

True that!  Nobody is better than Sophia!  Picture it.......  Seriously, The 80s were a fun time.  When the flats was hopping.  Traxx was the shit back then!

Stonebridge is cool and all, I would like to live there if I could. But more and more it seems like living in a fish bowl.

 

We like to think of it more as an observatory...we are watching YOU

^ the purple light is an aquarium. can you believe it??  I am starting to sound like a real busy body, no?

 

Wow, I would be insane if I sat in a room with a purple aquarium light like that...and to think that I thought I was a busy body :-D

I was wondering what was up with the purple light - now I know!

Updated pic from November 10:

oooooooooooooooooooooooo  pretty!

Not a bad shot considering it was taken from a bus :)