Posted June 23, 200519 yr Well, I would post the link. But, The Free Times has not yet posted the article on the web. Its a good story. It suggests that we need to develop different criteria when ranking the neighborhoods of Cleveland. Now, we all know that OC, Tremont, etc are where its at. Unfortunately, many Clevelanders consider Solon, Strongsville and Westlake to be the only places appropriate to live. The article's author ranks Lakewood, Ohio City, Cleveland Heights and Tremont as the best places to live in Cleveland (in that order). It is an interesting read. Pick it up if you can. I'll post the article when FT posts it on their site.
June 23, 200519 yr I'd agree with those four, though not necessarily in that order... I'd have to put Ohio City on the top of the list...surprise!
June 23, 200519 yr I'd agree with those four, though not necessarily in that order... I'd have to put Ohio City on the top of the list...surprise! ummmmmmmmm....I wonder why?! lol
June 23, 200519 yr My two cents, Shaker was fifth, i believe. i didn't want to include it because my memory was fading..
June 23, 200519 yr i'll be you BRATenahl didn't even make the top ten! let's raid their castles and pour the money into the metro coffers! (no offense if there are any mathers, rockefellers or other wealthy-types on here...) [all in jest, of course!]
June 24, 200519 yr Lakewood, Ohio City, Cleveland Heights, Tremont and Shaker Square? That's about the most predictable list of best city neighborhoods imaginable (and lest we forget, two are actually suburbs). Don't they pretty much publish the same picks year after year? :|
June 24, 200519 yr It suggests that we need to develop different criteria when ranking the neighborhoods of Cleveland. Are we talking neighborhoods of Cleveland or Suburbs? An Urban paper should not include suburbs...Actual neighborhoods, I'd say, Shaker Square/Larchmere/Buckeye Little Italy/Univ Circle Ohio City Tremont Clifton/W117th/Birdtown Downtown West Park Kamms Corners Grovewood/N Collinwood/E 185 Detroit/Shoreway Lee/Miles Old Brooklyn
June 24, 200519 yr Shaker Square/Larchmere/Buckeye Little Italy/Univ Circle/Hough Ohio City/Tremont Clifton/W117th/Birdtown Downtown (Flats, TWHD, Gateway/E. 4th/ Playhouse Sq./Northcoast/Superior-Payne) West Park Kamms Corners Grovewood/N Collinwood/E 185 Detroit/Shoreway Lee/Miles Old Brooklyn Mt. Pleasant Upper Prospect Detroit-Shoreway Slavic Village Edgewater Glenville/Forest Hills My additions. Goes to show we have some great hoods and more than just the downtown and near Westside 'hoods need some PR. Locally and Nationally
June 24, 200519 yr Yes, of course there are great things about each of these neighborhoods and we could come up with 18 bazillion different systems for ranking them (maybe I'll come up with one soon), but this initial article was from the Free Times and who knows what their criteria were? Are we talking shops and nightlife or parks and schools or all of urban quality of life combined? Maybe once the article surfaces we can make sense of this. That being said, if they're talking Metro Cleveland, then I would most definitely include the neighborhoods within Cleveland Heights and Lakewood in the "best urban neighborhood" category, as some of these are our best examples of livable 'hoods in the region. I would not, however, call Cleveland Heights or Lakewood a neighborhood unto itself. They, much as Cleveland is, are cities made up of neighborhoods.
June 24, 200519 yr Geez, not every neighborhood can be the best neighborhood! My favorite well known hood: Ohio City My favorite "off the beaten path" hood: Payne-Sterling
June 25, 200519 yr The Free Times finally posted the story. The way they frame the story, it makes more sense that they would include some suburbs. Still, it'd be nice to see a similar story focused exclusively on the city. It's sad that they feel the need to explain their inclusion of city neighborhoods! -- ------------- Your Move Rating communities is a game. We'd like to suggest some new rules. by Michael Gill photos by Tina Brugnoletti Friday, June 24, 2005 ARTICLE REMOVED: NO LINK.
June 25, 200519 yr The median sale price of a home in the East Boulevard Historic District sure as f@ck isn't $45,000! I hate when people take things and change the context of their numbers in the middle of an analysis! Not all of Glenville is as "re-energized" as that portion, so its not fair to switch back and forth between the two as if they were the same entity. The EBHD is a relatively affluent but small portion of Glenville.
March 21, 200817 yr Bumping this old thread to mention that Cleveland Magazine will publish their annual suburb ratings in June, and this year, they're surveying people about their priorities. Think of it as an opportunity to influence the factors used in the ratings. The survey is here: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=PcIabEH8VpUXoSiSUyvFqQ_3d_3d
March 21, 200817 yr That was great. I the only thing that made me sounds suburban was I kind of like interstate access, but then that is only for work on some occasions, otherwise I rarely use them.
March 22, 200817 yr Here is my survey *Which of the following best describes you? Downtown dweller I live on the East Side I live on the West Side I live South None of the above *Which statement best describes your morning commute? Less than 15 minutes 15 to 30 minutes 30 to 45 minutes More than 45 minutes I don't have a morning commute *Rank the following as how important they are in choosing a place to live: 1 - Extremely Unimportant 2 - Unimportant 3 - Doesn't Matter 4 - Important 5 - Extremely Important 5 Walkable neighborhoods 4 Historic charm 1 Big-box retail shopping within 3 miles 4 Locally owned retail shopping in your community 2 Living in a Lake Erie shore community 3 Having a metropark reservation or National Park in or adjacent to your city 4 Having a public recreation center in your community 5 Population density 1 Large lots 1 Low property taxes 5 Easy access to museums and cultural attractions 5 Easy access to downtown Cleveland 1 A rural feel 5 Access to public transit 2 Access to interstates *In what Northeast Ohio community do you currently live? Cleveland: Shaker Square *How long have you lived in your current community? 18 Years *If money were no barrier, in what community would you choose to live? Cleveland: Downtown *Are you male or female? Male Female *What is your age? 41
March 24, 200817 yr oops, sorry. Want to edit your survey results to make my post make sense? I just submitted a less-than-honest survey to help the cause.
March 24, 200817 yr ^The survey was delivered by "SurveyMonkey". I don't think it was in danger of being scientific/accurate. But I do feel guilty now.
March 24, 200817 yr *Which of the following best describes you? Downtown dweller I live on the East Side I live on the West Side I live South None of the above *Which statement best describes your morning commute? Less than 15 minutes 15 to 30 minutes 30 to 45 minutes More than 45 minutes I don't have a morning commute *Rank the following as how important they are in choosing a place to live: 1 - Extremely Unimportant 2 - Unimportant 3 - Doesn't Matter 4 - Important 5 - Extremely Important 4 Walkable neighborhoods 4 Historic charm 4 Big-box retail shopping within 3 miles 5 Locally owned retail shopping in your community 1 Living in a Lake Erie shore community 4 Having a metropark reservation or National Park in or adjacent to your city 4 Having a public recreation center in your community 4 Population density 1 Large lots 5 Low property taxes 4 Easy access to museums and cultural attractions 5 Easy access to downtown Cleveland 2 A rural feel 3 Access to public transit 4 Access to interstates *In what Northeast Ohio community do you currently live? Cleveland: Parma Heights *How long have you lived in your current community? 6 Years *If money were no barrier, in what community would you choose to live? Cleveland: Any safe community with good schools *Are you male or female? Male Female *What is your age? 31
March 24, 200817 yr Survey Monkey is a legitimate polling tool that a lot of sites use. Geez, I said I feel guilty! I'll fill out another survey in which I say public transit access and and historic charm matter less to me than big box proximity and large lots, just to make things even. Actually, I don't feel so guilty...these ranking are always so utterly meaningless. The closest thing to an objective measure of a suburb's desirability would be the price per square foot or per acre or something like that. Do they even look at that?
March 24, 200817 yr don't feel guilty, you won't be the only one that doesn't post honest answers. That's why they factor in margin of error.
March 24, 200817 yr Not to mention which, EVERY ONE of these types of surveys is skewed towards homeowners, and usually those with school children. Not everyone owns a home and has kids.
March 24, 200817 yr don't feel guilty, you won't be the only one that doesn't post honest answers. That's why they factor in margin of error. I think margin of error has more to do with how representative the respondent group is of the entire population, not the truthfulness of respondents. Which is why I really don't feel guilty- web-based polls like this are never, ever scientific/meaningful because there is so much self-selection in the respondent group. At best, they provide an accurate picture of an arbitrarily narrow, unknown respondent population.
March 24, 200817 yr Assuming that a bunch of us submit a preference for Cleveland proper, do you think that will earn a mention in the magazine? Not trying to be contrary ... honestly wondering whether the magazine would recognize a swelling interest in NOT living in the suburbs.
March 24, 200817 yr Assuming that a bunch of us submit a preference for Cleveland proper, do you think that will earn a mention in the magazine? Not trying to be contrary ... honestly wondering whether the magazine would recognize a swelling interest in NOT living in the suburbs. That is exactly why I replied.
March 24, 200817 yr It would be interesting to see people's replies in our thread here. I wonder how many of us are actually living in a place that lines up with all our desires as laid out in the survey?
March 24, 200817 yr 5 Walkable neighborhoods 4 Historic charm 1 Big-box retail shopping within 3 miles 4 Locally owned retail shopping in your community 4 Living in a Lake Erie shore community 3 Having a metropark reservation or National Park in or adjacent to your city 2 Having a public recreation center in your community 5 Population density 1 Large lots 1 Low property taxes 5 Easy access to museums and cultural attractions 5 Easy access to downtown Cleveland 1 A rural feel 5 Access to public transit 2 Access to interstates I'd say Asiatown is pretty close. Not quite as much historic character, pulic transporation or access to culture as I rated important, but still a fair amount of all three. The only thing I really lose out on is walkability; it's easy to walk places but is not really built with pedestrians in mind. And there's excessive access to interstates beyond what I rated in the survey.
March 24, 200817 yr It would be interesting to see people's replies in our thread here. I wonder how many of us are actually living in a place that lines up with all our desires as laid out in the survey? I do!
March 24, 200817 yr *In what Northeast Ohio community do you currently live? Cleveland: Parma Heights Wouldn't your community be "parma heights"?
March 24, 200817 yr *In what Northeast Ohio community do you currently live? Cleveland: Parma Heights Wouldn't your community be "parma heights"? I'm not sure about that - isn't parma hts isn't just a "neighborhood" like "west park?" There's no parma hts city hall is there? Or mayor? Or is there? Here in MH we don't even have our own school system, but we do have a dedicated police force so I think we're a city, not a neighborhood. I'm not sure what the actual difference is, how it lays out. All my magazines come to "cleveland" for my zip code; they're in a national database that way. But when I lived in Westlake they came as "westlake." Westlake has a PD as well as a mayor and city hall and school district, so that, to me is a real "city," as opposed to a "neighborhood."
March 24, 200817 yr I'm not sure about that - isn't parma hts isn't just a "neighborhood" like "west park?" There's no parma hts city hall is there? Or mayor? Or is there? Here in MH we don't even have our own school system, but we do have a dedicated police force so I think we're a city, not a neighborhood. I'm not sure what the actual difference is, how it lays out. All my magazines come to "cleveland" for my zip code; they're in a national database that way. But when I lived in Westlake they came as "westlake." Westlake has a PD as well as a mayor and city hall and school district, so that, to me is a real "city," as opposed to a "neighborhood." No Parma Heights is a suburb with its own mayor. I don't think school district have anything to do with it. Many cities share school districts; Cleveland Hts.- University Hts.; South Euclid-Lyndhurst; Parma-Parma Heights-Seven Hills and Olmsted Falls and Olmsted to name a few.
March 24, 200817 yr municipalities (cities and villages), zip codes, and school districts are all separate lines on the map. for example, the city of seven hills is in 44131 with independence, but is in the parma school district. there's an area of south euclid in the cleveland hts-univ hts school district, not in south euclid-lyndhurst. the shaker square area in cleveland is part of the shaker hts school district. only occasionally do all the lines coincide.
March 24, 200817 yr municipalities (cities and villages), zip codes, and school districts are all separate lines on the map. for example, the city of seven hills is in 44131 with independence, but is in the parma school district. there's an area of south euclid in the cleveland hts-univ hts school district, not in south euclid-lyndhurst. the shaker square area in cleveland is part of the shaker hts school district. only occasionally do all the lines coincide. off topic, but I think there are two areas in South Euclid that are in the CHUH school district. Caledonia is in Cleveland Heights, but a part of the East Cleveland School District and the part of Cleveland around the square is an option to attend the Shaker School district. As you have pay to send your kids to Shaker Schools if you live in Cleveland.
March 24, 200817 yr ^the shaker schools site says: Area Served The City of Shaker Heights, plus a one-square-mile portion of the City of Cleveland (in the Shaker Square area). http://www.shaker.org/about/overview/facts.htm it doesn't mention the option of paying for shaker when you live in cleveland.
March 25, 200817 yr ^the shaker schools site says: Area Served The City of Shaker Heights, plus a one-square-mile portion of the City of Cleveland (in the Shaker Square area). http://www.shaker.org/about/overview/facts.htm it doesn't mention the option of paying for shaker when you live in cleveland. Let me ask you this, when you live in a city who and what pays for your child/children to go attend the schools in that city's school district?
March 25, 200817 yr ^I think lopsided was just referencing your comment from above "As you have pay to send your kids to Shaker Schools if you live in Cleveland." Apparently, it doesn't list that option on the website...?
March 25, 200817 yr of course property owners are paying. in that little slice of cleveland, property owners pay to shaker schools, not cleveland schools. open enrollment with paid tuition may very well be an option if you are outside of that section.
March 25, 200817 yr of course property owners are paying. in that little slice of cleveland, property owners pay to shaker schools, not cleveland schools. open enrollment with paid tuition may very well be an option if you are outside of that section. No the folks in my neighborhood get a school bill to send their children to shaker schools.
March 25, 200817 yr ^I think lopsided was just referencing your comment from above "As you have pay to send your kids to Shaker Schools if you live in Cleveland." Apparently, it doesn't list that option on the website...? Gotcha.
March 25, 200817 yr of course property owners are paying. in that little slice of cleveland, property owners pay to shaker schools, not cleveland schools. open enrollment with paid tuition may very well be an option if you are outside of that section. No the folks in my neighborhood get a school bill to send their children to shaker schools. Seems odd. So they pay local taxes to the Cleveland school district and then, in essence, pay tuition to send their child to a public school (Shaker)? I don't think that is the case in other cities who cater to different school districts.
March 25, 200817 yr ^The whole Shaker/Cleveland deal was struck back when Shaker Heights was trying to block a highway that would have obliterated the Shaker Lakes (connecting from I-77 at 490 to 271). Cleveland was for the project and was trying to push it forward. After much negotiating, Cleveland struck a unique deal that allowed clevelanders in the shaker square area to attend Shaker schools (but everyone in the area had to pay the extra tax).
March 25, 200817 yr ^The whole Shaker/Cleveland deal was struck back when Shaker Heights was trying to block a highway that would have obliterated the Shaker Lakes (connecting from I-77 at 490 to 271). Cleveland was for the project and was trying to push it forward. After much negotiating, Cleveland struck a unique deal that allowed clevelanders in the shaker square area to attend Shaker schools (but everyone in the area had to pay the extra tax). Bingo. And let me tell you, back in the day we would always know when a kid from Cleveland's parent wouldn't pay their tax bill, the registrar would yanked them right out of class mid session and they wouldn't be seen again until that tax bill was paid. I think when I was in high school it was $235 due once in August and once in January. I understand that it is the same for kids that attend Heights but live in South Euclid.
March 25, 200817 yr Seems odd. So they pay local taxes to the Cleveland school district and then, in essence, pay tuition to send their child to a public school (Shaker)? I don't think that is the case in other cities who cater to different school districts. However, you don't have to send your child to Shaker Schools. If you chose not to pay your child must be registered for a Cleveland School. The kids that don't attend Shaker School go to Alexander Graham for elementry(which is actually closer to a lot of Shaker Hts. homes around the square), I forget which junior high they would attend, and they will either go to John Hay or John Adams for high School.
March 25, 200817 yr ^John Hay is no longer a neighborhood school. You have to apply and it is open to anyone in the city of Cleveland.
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