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kinda curious about how many billion dollars cheaper that will be. or any other lol.

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  • Boomerang_Brian
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    I do not understand this mentality (specifically “need to be shut down”). No one is forcing you to fly Spirit! Just fly another airline. The beauty of the low cost carriers, which I generally avoid fo

  • thx uncle joe --       Airlines Required To Give Automatic Cash Refunds For Canceled And Delayed Flights   The Biden administration is defining a significant delay as las

  • LibertyBlvd
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    It's too bad the United-Continental merger wasn't blocked.  ☹️

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it's usa airline customer experience review time ...

 

 

 

Airlines Americans Avoid Flying at All Costs Survey 2023

 

Updated on May 8, 2023 by Eric Jones

 

We are only a few weeks away from Memorial Day which means summer travel is going to start. Our 2023 Summer Travel Survey indicated that nearly 85% of Americans intend to travel this year. 42% of respondents also said they intend to travel more this year than last year. And, more than 54% said they intend to take to the skies to travel. 

 

With so many Americans intending to hop on an airplane over the summer, we were curious what the current American sentiment was for each of the airlines. Which airlines do people avoid flying on at all costs? 

 

 

more:

https://thevacationer.com/airlines-americans-avoid-flying-at-all-costs-survey-2023/

 

 

According to the site, Spirit was also the most avoided airline for every single age group. 

 

The list below is the airlines from most avoided to least avoided, and the percentages reflect how many times travelers chose that specific carrier or didn’t choose them:

 

1. Spirit Airlines – 21.06%

2. Allegiant Air – 16.36%

3. American Airlines – 14.40%

4. Frontier Airlines – 14.30%

5. Delta Air Lines – 12.63%

6. JetBlue – 12.63%

7. Alaska Airlines – 10.68%

8. Southwest Airlines – 10.28%

9. United Airlines – 7.64%

10. Hawaiian Airlines – 5.48%

Anecdotally, Southwest has been the best, Spririt/Frontier absolute nightmares that shouldn't exist, American/Allegiant is generally OK, United is uncomfortable but fine.

 

And Delta, I can't remember being on one. So... uneventful?

^ yeah i just flew on american last week and the booking, flights, staff and everything were fantastic, but i would still agree with the ranking because of one aggravating thing, the seats are inhumanly cramped. thats ok for under three hours, but not anything longer. and keeping in mind waiting for takeoff and getting a gate after landing. 

 

also, yeah an article i read noted surprizingly southwest wasnt on the list because customers found they made a great turnaround from their flight management problems and wooed people back with competitive pricing and two free checked bags (!)

i wonder if this will pan out?

 

 

 

Frankfurt to Dubai in 90 minutes? Europe enters the hypersonic plane race

 

Maureen O'Hare, CNN

Updated 2:54 AM EDT, Thu May 4, 2023

 

 

CNN — 

It’s now been two decades since the era of supersonic commercial flight ended with Concorde’s final touchdown in an airfield in southwest England. 

 

In recent years, numerous pretenders to the throne – supersonic, hypersonic, hydrogen-powered, with anti-boom technology – have been whizzing round, conceptually at least, but many of these projects promising seamless super-fast travel have instead stalled, sputtered out or hit delays. 

 

Now a European hypersonic startup is having a go, promising enticing journey times such as Frankfurt to Sydney in 4 hours 15, or Memphis to Dubai in 3 hours 30. 

 

The Destinus concept is hydrogen-powered flight at five times the speed of sound, cutting flight duration to less than a quarter of current commercial air travel.

 

 

more:

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/destinus-hypersonic-plane/index.html

 

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leed gold & platinum envision awards to lga:

 

 

 

LaGuardia’s new Terminal B wins major awards from two leading environmental organizations

 

By Bill Parry

June 2, 2023

 

The terminal is designed to achieve water savings of more than 43% and an 18% reduction in energy costs. Energy and greenhouse gas emission reductions were achieved through reduced window glazing area, installation of a light-colored aluminum membrane roof that reflects solar heat and reduces summer cooling loads, lower lighting power density, deployment of daylighting controls to adjust artificial lighting levels in response to sunlight, and use of solar hot water heaters.

 

 

more:

https://qns.com/2023/06/laguardias-new-terminal-b-award/

 

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Courtesy of LaGuardia Gateway Partners

 

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Courtesy of Governor’s office

 

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Flying is an absolute nightmare, with these deregulated monstrosities making wrong decision after wrong decision -- and THIS is where they're directing their attention?

 

American Airlines canceled a teenager's 'skiplagging' ticket after realizing he wasn't planning to board the connecting flight to New York: report (yahoo.com)

 

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/american-airlines-canceled-teenagers-skiplagging-072104882.html

 

"But Parsons said the gate agent in Florida was doubtful of his son's final destination after seeing his North Carolina driver's license. The agent suspected the teenager wouldn't continue flying to New York City, per the report."

 

The agent had nothing better to do than magically predict the kid was deviating from the travel plan? 

 

jfk news —

 

 

 

 

Port Authority announces $125 million commercial redevelopment at JFK’s Terminal 8

 

By Bill Parry
Posted on July 12, 2023

 

 

 

The Port Authority and American Airlines announced a $125 million commercial redevelopment program for the new Terminal 8 at JFK Airport on Wednesday, July 12. The project will feature a New York-inspired Great Hall, which is expected to bring more than 60 new shopping and restaurant establishments, with an emphasis on locally owned and diverse businesses that will create economic opportunities for the communities of southeast Queens.

 

Following the recent completion of the $400 million expansion of Terminal 8, which was the first project to be completed in the massive $19 billion redevelopment project at JFK, the Great Hall will further enhance the customer experience at the termina with a complete redesign and expansion of the concessions program.

 


more:
https://qns.com/2023/07/port-authority-announces-125-million-commercial-redevelopment-at-jfks-terminal-8/

 

 

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Terminal 8 will feature a New York-inspired Great Hall offering retail, dining, and performance space in addition to more than 300 jobs. Courtesy of Port Authority

 

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hmm — 

 

 

 

Hydrogen-powered planes almost ready for takeoff

 

 Ars Contributors   08/9/2023

 


A complete hydrogen fuel cell powertrain assembly occupied the pride of place in the pavilion of Beyond Aero at the recently concluded Paris Air Show. That a fuel cell system was the Toulouse-based startup’s centerpiece at the biennial aero event is an indication of the steps being taken by a range of companies, from startups to multinational corporations, toward realizing the goal of using hydrogen as fuel in the aviation sector.

 

“This 85 kilowatt subscale demonstrator was successfully tested a few months ago. Even though in its current form, it serves only ultralight aviation, the successful test of the powertrain is a crucial step in our technical development path for designing and building a business aircraft,” Beyond Aero co-founder Hugo Tarlé told Ars Technica.

 

Tarlé said that the business aircraft would have a range of 800 nautical miles and will be powered by a 1 MW powertrain. “For generating this power, there won’t be one big megawatt fuel cell. Instead, it will be multiple fuel cells. It will be based on the same technical choices that we made on the subscale demonstrator—i.e. gaseous hydrogen, fuel cell, hybridization of batteries and electric motors."

 


more:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/08/hydrogen-powered-planes-almost-ready-for-takeoff/amp/

 

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Airbus will be testing hydrogen power on a commercial airliner modified to carry an additional engine. - Airbus

 

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safety risks mount —

 

 

 

 

U.S. Air Traffic Control Safety Risks Mount as FAA Hits Hiring Quota

 

David Shepardson, Reuters

August 25th, 2023

 

 

Staffing issues for the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration have moved into a dangerous phase since the need for training and experience further waylays insufficient air traffic controller numbers.

 

 

more:

https://skift.com/2023/08/25/u-s-air-traffic-control-safety-risks-mount-as-faa-hits-hiring-quota/

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i took walk just outside around lax to stretch my legs, big mistake i never learn, uuugh, highly not recommended lol, but anyway i saw the lax airtrain (i think here they will call it an lax apm automated people mover) is all built and they are now working on stations and laying the tracks — so it should be done pretty soon!

 

it looks like it will be a five star type airtrain and stations — its really nice and high quality looking — i have some pix i’ll post when i can — 

 


 

On 12/2/2023 at 3:25 AM, mrnyc said:

i took walk just outside around lax to stretch my legs, big mistake i never learn, uuugh, highly not recommended lol, but anyway i saw the lax airtrain (i think here they will call it an lax apm automated people mover) is all built and they are now working on stations and laying the tracks — so it should be done pretty soon!

 

it looks like it will be a five star type airtrain and stations — its really nice and high quality looking — i have some pix i’ll post when i can — 
 

If I ran LAX, I'd add an airtrain stop a the In-N-Out burger on Sepulveda.    🤷‍♂️

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Sad news from Japan as 5 Coast Guard crew members were killed when an airliner landed on top of them,  but incredibly all passengers and crew aboard the JAL A350 were successfully evacuated.     If you've ever traveled in Japan you would understand this--they take the safety seriously and as a culture are respectful of these processes.  I have witnessed the flight attendants stop a video and "shush" Americans who would not stop talking during the briefing.   Sadly in the US, if this were to happen there would be a large amount of fatalities as no one would know what to do and would also be fighting to save their designer luggage from the overheads.    

 

 

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Quick read for those following the 737 Max 9 drama.    Like many American companies, letting Wall Street dictate your corporate culture is not always the best idea.  

 

 

Boeing’s Shift from Engineering Excellence to Profit-Driven Culture: Tracing the Impact of the McDonnell Douglas Merger on the 737 Max Crisis

 

Boeing’s journey, particularly with its 737 Max, reflects a dramatic shift in the company’s core values and operational philosophy, a change significantly influenced by its late-1990s merger with McDonnell Douglas. This pivotal event marked a departure from Boeing’s storied commitment to engineering superiority and a safety-first mindset, pivoting towards a business model heavily emphasizing cost efficiency and rapid production, often at the expense of product quality and safety.

Historically celebrated for its engineering-driven ethos, Boeing’s success was rooted in innovative design, meticulous attention to detail, and a culture deeply respectful of its engineers’ expertise and contributions. This approach not only built a strong reputation for quality and reliability but also ensured unwavering attention to safety in both design and manufacturing.

 

https://www.airguide.info/boeings-shift-from-engineering-excellence-to-profit-driven-culture-tracing-the-impact-of-the-mcdonnell-douglas-merger-on-the-737-max-crisis/

Seeing the same thing happen in the rail freight industry, with safety being secondary to corporate profits. It's scary when hedge fund reps on railroad site tours demand to know why so much time is taken on safety inspections since "stationary train cars cannot generate revenue," I heard one say once.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

It's too bad the United-Continental merger wasn't blocked.  ☹️

16 hours ago, surfohio said:

 

I guess fears of Spirits seating causing irreversible back damage wasn't enough of a tipping point.  

That and Frontier need to be shut down. Some things can be done on the cheap, flying shouldn't be one of them. Their "seats" and lack of leg room alone should have led to injunctions years ago

4 hours ago, TBideon said:

That and Frontier need to be shut down. Some things can be done on the cheap, flying shouldn't be one of them. Their "seats" and lack of leg room alone should have led to injunctions years ago

 

There used to be a Spirit nonstop redeye LAX-CLE for like $59 or something crazy. After doing that 3 or 4 times I realized there just was not enough alcohol at LAX to get me through that flight. The seats were so crammed that people were sprawled out into the aisles. It was a flying zoo. 

17 hours ago, TBideon said:

That and Frontier need to be shut down. Some things can be done on the cheap, flying shouldn't be one of them. Their "seats" and lack of leg room alone should have led to injunctions years ago

I do not understand this mentality (specifically “need to be shut down”). No one is forcing you to fly Spirit! Just fly another airline. The beauty of the low cost carriers, which I generally avoid for all the reasons everyone is complaining about, is that they ALSO keep the fares on the traditional carriers a bit more in check. Thank you awful airlines that are cheap!

When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?

18 hours ago, TBideon said:

That and Frontier need to be shut down. Some things can be done on the cheap, flying shouldn't be one of them. Their "seats" and lack of leg room alone should have led to injunctions years ago

 

Thanks to Spirit, I've flown to Dallas for $60 RT, Tampa $26 RT and so on, it might not be for you but I've benefitted greatly from the Greyhound of the skies. If you just accept that you're going to be sitting on a milk crate, using the lav costs money, and it's not going to be the most comfortable you're going to be fine. If you don't want that pay $150-200 more for a legacy carrier. 

1 hour ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

I do not understand this mentality (specifically “need to be shut down”). No one is forcing you to fly Spirit! Just fly another airline. The beauty of the low cost carriers, which I generally avoid for all the reasons everyone is complaining about, is that they ALSO keep the fares on the traditional carriers a bit more in check. Thank you awful airlines that are cheap!


Yea I don’t get this take either. I happen to choose not to fly the LCCs (mostly because of legacy carrier golden handcuff FF accounts) but do not bemoan those that do. And much like Warren Buffet driving a Buick or whatever, I know high income earners that chose to do so, so it’s not strictly a “class” thing. Unless and until there are actual safety deficiencies from their price cutting elsewhere (and take a look at the record of Frontier/Spirit vs the Big 4 and you’ll find that relationship is inverse…), let them fly!

Budget airlines are a reflection of the race-to-the-bottom mentality the US has possessed since deindustrialization, and also an example of what deregulation does to an industry. They are tense environments the moment you weigh baggage, else be charged a ludicrious sum, to the inordinantly uncomfortable seats and lack of leg room, to the embarassed flight attendants trying to sell a credit card, and to the violent incidents. Their customer service is uniquely bad, and they take advantage of, really prey on, passengers with extensive hidden fees and lack of refunds.

 

It's like dollar stores proliferating in rough neighborhoods and all the resulting consequences. Just not a fan.

26 minutes ago, TBideon said:

Budget airlines are a reflection of the race-to-the-bottom mentality the US has possessed since deindustrialization, and also an example of what deregulation does to an industry. They are tense environments the moment you weigh baggage, else be charged a ludicrious sum, to the inordinantly uncomfortable seats and lack of leg room, to the embarassed flight attendants trying to sell a credit card, and to the violent incidents. Their customer service is uniquely bad, and they take advantage of, really prey on, passengers with extensive hidden fees and lack of refunds.

 

It's like dollar stores proliferating in rough neighborhoods and all the resulting consequences. Just not a fan.

 

Once again, nobody is forcing you to fly spirit/frontier/allegiant, I don't mind it if it means I'm saving (in some cases) $200+. You need to plan if you're going to take Spirit- buy a checked bag and weigh it beforehand, make sure your carry-on will fit below the seat (or you'll pay a ton at the gate) etc., etc., I'd argue that the legacy carriers charging for basic things is more egregious when you're already paying a ton of money (comparatively) to fly them.

 

Every time I've flown Spirit/Frontier it's been fine, oh, and their fleets are the newest in the industry FWIW. 

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5 hours ago, TBideon said:

Budget airlines are a reflection of the race-to-the-bottom mentality the US has possessed since deindustrialization, and also an example of what deregulation does to an industry. They are tense environments the moment you weigh baggage, else be charged a ludicrious sum, to the inordinantly uncomfortable seats and lack of leg room, to the embarassed flight attendants trying to sell a credit card, and to the violent incidents. Their customer service is uniquely bad, and they take advantage of, really prey on, passengers with extensive hidden fees and lack of refunds.

 

It's like dollar stores proliferating in rough neighborhoods and all the resulting consequences. Just not a fan.

 

Just an FYI, the whole world has these ULCC airlines and trust me, Spirit isn't nearly as bad as Türkiye's Pegasus, Vueling, or even Viva Aerobus.  Ryanair, like Spirit, I've never really had a terrible flight...like Allegiant, Pegasus, Viva Aerobus, or Frontier...

"You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers

15 hours ago, ColDayMan said:

 

Just an FYI, the whole world has these ULCC airlines and trust me, Spirit isn't nearly as bad as Türkiye's Pegasus, Vueling, or even Viva Aerobus.  Ryanair, like Spirit, I've never really had a terrible flight...like Allegiant, Pegasus, Viva Aerobus, or Frontier...


This.  The problem isn’t the airlines here…it’s the passengers. 

It's related since airlines condone this behavior by constantly allowing drunk or unstable passengers on board, permit abusive and confrontational conduct, overly serve alcohol, not compose and coordinate permanent bans, etc.

 

How about alcohol breath tests before each flight. Actually, let's stop serving alcohol on board all together. That nonsense needs to stop since it just causes chaos.

20 hours ago, TBideon said:

It's related since airlines condone this behavior by constantly allowing drunk or unstable passengers on board, permit abusive and confrontational conduct, overly serve alcohol, not compose and coordinate permanent bans, etc.

 

How about alcohol breath tests before each flight. Actually, let's stop serving alcohol on board all together. That nonsense needs to stop since it just causes chaos.


And the legacies encourage/enable this MUCH more than Frontier/Spirit/other LCCs. (Ask me how I know).

 

Again, there’s nothing inherent about the LCCs that deserve the ire of either the public or government regulators.  It’s the behavior of passengers (and yes, how their fellow passengers react when the blood pressure gets flowing) that create the problems. 

On 1/19/2024 at 9:10 AM, TBideon said:

How about alcohol breath tests before each flight. Actually, let's stop serving alcohol on board all together. That nonsense needs to stop since it just causes chaos.

No need to ban alcohol on board, I'm sure it's a nice source of revenue for the airlines.  And folks who are a little skittish about flying probably need a drink or two to take the edge off. They just need to cut off anyone who has had too much. Unfortunately we have such a rude, disrespectful, lawless culture nowadays.  That is the main reason for the chaos occurring - not just in the air, but everywhere in our country. 

 

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1 hour ago, LibertyBlvd said:

No need to ban alcohol on board, I'm sure it's a nice source of revenue for the airlines.  And folks who are a little skittish about flying probably need a drink or two to take the edge off. They just need to cut off anyone who has had too much. Unfortunately we have such a rude, disrespectful, lawless culture nowadays.  That is the main reason for the chaos occurring - not just in the air, but everywhere in our country. 

 

Most of the people who have had to much were already over-served in the airport bars.  That's where the problem begins.  It's not like someone can manage to order 8 drinks in a short time on a flight very easily.  But if you sit at an airport bar and order a drink, the first thing the bartender says is "Make it a double for $4?"  

12 minutes ago, Cleburger said:

Most of the people who have had to much were already over-served in the airport bars.  That's where the problem begins.  It's not like someone can manage to order 8 drinks in a short time on a flight very easily.  But if you sit at an airport bar and order a drink, the first thing the bartender says is "Make it a double for $4?"  

to your point, the "overserved" passengers and the ones who act unruly tend to be on the shorter domestic flights. You do not really hear of planes to or from Europe being diverted because of a "drunken passenger". Of course, it is hard to divert somewhere when a passenger becomes unruly over the ocean. However, I am sure it would make news when you have a ton of overseas flights having passengers get arrested for being drunk and disorderly

On 1/18/2024 at 10:18 AM, TBideon said:

Budget airlines are a reflection of the race-to-the-bottom mentality the US has possessed since deindustrialization, and also an example of what deregulation does to an industry. They are tense environments the moment you weigh baggage, else be charged a ludicrious sum, to the inordinantly uncomfortable seats and lack of leg room, to the embarassed flight attendants trying to sell a credit card, and to the violent incidents. Their customer service is uniquely bad, and they take advantage of, really prey on, passengers with extensive hidden fees and lack of refunds.

 

It's like dollar stores proliferating in rough neighborhoods and all the resulting consequences. Just not a fan.

If you remember back in the days of "flying the friendly skies," passenger air travel used to be solely a luxury item and thing of the rich or big business. The average person could not afford to fly their family to Florida or fly across the country during the holidays to visit family because the airfare in the 70s and early 80s was exorbitant. 

Low cost airlines have allowed the masses to enjoy the ability to take a flight to their destination for an affordable price. Yes, the seats may be uncomfortable and  there are no frills on the flight, but at least the option of flying is no longer just for the rich,

9 hours ago, brtshrcegr said:


And the legacies encourage/enable this MUCH more than Frontier/Spirit/other LCCs. (Ask me how I know).

 

Again, there’s nothing inherent about the LCCs that deserve the ire of either the public or government regulators.  It’s the behavior of passengers (and yes, how their fellow passengers react when the blood pressure gets flowing) that create the problems. 

Oh I agree alcohol should be banned on all major airlines. And there should be some tested BAC limit pre-flight. It's just too tense an environment with these raving loons harassing and molesting passengers and crew.

 

If they can't get on a flight without alcohol, then stay home.

4 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

If you remember back in the days of "flying the friendly skies," passenger air travel used to be solely a luxury item and thing of the rich or big business. The average person could not afford to fly their family to Florida or fly across the country during the holidays to visit family because the airfare in the 70s and early 80s was exorbitant. 

Low cost airlines have allowed the masses to enjoy the ability to take a flight to their destination for an affordable price. Yes, the seats may be uncomfortable and  there are no frills on the flight, but at least the option of flying is no longer just for the rich,

I'm guessing there also weren't brawls at Miami-Dade or people convulsing and screaming they're being kidnapped on Frontier in the 60s. There's got to be a middle ground somewhere cause today's climate sure ain't it.

 

Behavioral screenings, in addition to alcohol bans or limitations, would be a start.

 

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1 hour ago, TBideon said:

Oh I agree alcohol should be banned on all major airlines. And there should be some tested BAC limit pre-flight. It's just too tense an environment with these raving loons harassing and molesting passengers and crew.

 

If they can't get on a flight without alcohol, then stay home.

 

And who pays for the testing? 

How much time does testing take, in addition to, the current/traditional boarding procedure?

What is "the test"?

Who decided who administers the test?  Airline personnel, Homeland Security, private/third party contractors?

Who decides the criteria for who is selected for testing?

 

Any thing implemented by the FAA, an airport or airline, the costs, will be passed on to consumers.  I don't want that.

 

Perhaps a compromise is airlines offering "dry flights"?   I've seen people drink too much and generally it happens, when there are operational delays that affect an entire airports operations.  During these delays passengers can overindulge.  Flights operating after a major delay should take off, yet not offer spirits.    Or airlines can test offering flights that do not have spirits nor wine.  Especially from cities in Texas and Florida.

4 hours ago, MyTwoSense said:

 

And who pays for the testing? 

How much time does testing take, in addition to, the current/traditional boarding procedure?

What is "the test"?

Who decided who administers the test?  Airline personnel, Homeland Security, private/third party contractors?

Who decides the criteria for who is selected for testing?

 

Any thing implemented by the FAA, an airport or airline, the costs, will be passed on to consumers.  I don't want that.

 

Perhaps a compromise is airlines offering "dry flights"?   I've seen people drink too much and generally it happens, when there are operational delays that affect an entire airports operations.  During these delays passengers can overindulge.  Flights operating after a major delay should take off, yet not offer spirits.    Or airlines can test offering flights that do not have spirits nor wine.  Especially from cities in Texas and Florida.

That's a lot of questions I'm not equipped to answer with specifics. I suppose reallocating funds from TSA would be an option since that entire program is ineffective security theatrics with billions of hours and dollars completely wasted. Screening behavior, not tennis shoes, would be far more advantageous. 

 

And perhaps passengers would be required to purchase and bring smart phone breathalyzers, or the airlines would have backups for a fee. Show results when you show your boarding pass or get the f out. 

6 hours ago, TBideon said:

I'm guessing there also weren't brawls at Miami-Dade or people convulsing and screaming they're being kidnapped on Frontier in the 60s. There's got to be a middle ground somewhere cause today's climate sure ain't it.

 

Behavioral screenings, in addition to alcohol bans or limitations, would be a start.

 

Dont think you could get away with behavioral screenings. I think there could be some Constitutional issues on that one. You could certainly do a breathalyzer but that seems inefficient if everyone has to blow before getting on a plane. I do not know if that is the answer either. 

 

It does seem like some of the unruliness has subsided a bit now that people are not forced to wear masks. I will agree with you to a certain level that when you pack people into a tight space like a sardine and leave them very little room for a period of hours without any creature comforts, people can react in a negative manner. Alcohol cerrtainly makes this worse, but I think the tighter spaces with less leg room on the low cost carriers can contribute to this. I think that when they forced masks on people a few years back that exacerbated the anger as it caused people to feel more trapped in their tight space. 

 

I have never been on a plane with an unruly traveler, so I have not seen alcohol being an issue on any flight i have taken. I personally have never understood imbibing on the plane anyway since the last thing I need is the dry air on the plane only making my headache from drinking much worse, but for those who like it, to each their own I guess. 

On 1/17/2024 at 12:08 PM, LibertyBlvd said:

It's too bad the United-Continental merger wasn't blocked.  ☹️

https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/01/the-unfriendly-skies/ 

 

Interesting perspective on the judge's ruling blocking the merger. 

The judge cited that the merger could lead to higher fares and fewer flight choices in overlapping markets. Of course, the converse is that by blocking the merger, Spirit could go out of business as they may not be financially strong enough to survive on their own. That outcome is far worse than the harm that could ever come from a merger of the two airlines. 

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I'm not surprised this could happen.   It always bothers me when the flight attendant or gate agent comes on when parked and announces on the PA "If John Smith is on the aircraft, please ring your call button!"     Shouldn't they know this???? 🤷‍♂️

 

 

INVESTIGATION LAUNCHED AFTER BRITISH MAN SNEAKS ONTO NEW YORK-BOUND FLIGHT WITHOUT PASSPORT OR TICKET

 

On December 23, Craig Sturt reached Britain's busiest airport, London Heathrow, with no passport or confirmed ticket. The 46-year-old jobless man bypassed the check-in desks and headed straight for the security gates in Heathrow's Terminal 5. These security gates are automated, meaning passengers scan their boarding passes at the machines before being allowed to undergo security screening.

 

the rest -> 

 

https://aeroxplorer.com/articles/investigation-launched-after-british-man-sneaks-onto-new-york-bound-flight-without-passport-or-ticket.php

looks like there were more recent informal commercial air record speeds over 800mph — this time over the atlantic:

 

 

 

Planes top 800 mph as near-record winds sweep high over Mid-Atlantic

 

Story by Jason Samenow

 

 

Winds roared to speeds of 265 mph high over Washington — at about 35,000 feet above ground, cruising altitude for airplanes — as a powerful jet stream swept over the region late Saturday. These winds allowed at least three commercial aircraft to reach speeds over 800 mph.

 

 

more:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/planes-top-800-mph-as-near-record-winds-sweep-high-over-mid-atlantic/ar-BB1itub3

 

5 hours ago, mrnyc said:

looks like there were more recent informal commercial air record speeds over 800mph — this time over the atlantic:

 

 

 

Planes top 800 mph as near-record winds sweep high over Mid-Atlantic

 

Story by Jason Samenow

 

 

Winds roared to speeds of 265 mph high over Washington — at about 35,000 feet above ground, cruising altitude for airplanes — as a powerful jet stream swept over the region late Saturday. These winds allowed at least three commercial aircraft to reach speeds over 800 mph.

 

 

more:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/planes-top-800-mph-as-near-record-winds-sweep-high-over-mid-atlantic/ar-BB1itub3

 

 

There was a story out before the Super Bowl that Taylor Swift's jet hit 750 over the Pacific on the way to Vegas, less astute people thought she had bought a special plane.  :)

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