February 3, 20205 yr The only reason why we as Parmaseans haven't accepted any new apt. or condo projects is because any new complex they build is wrongly/entirely aimed at one group of people. Seniors. Also there's bad reputation with how poorly kept every apt. property is on York, Ridge, and State. The only real decent complex in Parma is Pleasant Lake off of York, and its away from commuter's eyes. Idk, they just shouldn't be building complexes just for one demographic. Now when I get old I better hope I never have to live there...
February 4, 20205 yr The Parma demographic is always living in the past (at least 20 years behind). Growing up there is like a time warp.
February 4, 20205 yr ^ True story. About 3 years ago I was driving my then 10 year old son into Parma. He’d grown up on the east side and had never been elsewhere in Cleveland much other than downtown. We’d never discussed Parma once, he had no concept of it whatsoever and didn’t know that’s where we were. We turned onto Pearl off of Ridge and after about 20 seconds he turned to me and said, “This street looks like the 1980s”! My hovercraft is full of eels
February 4, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, roman totale XVII said: ^ True story. About 3 years ago I was driving my then 10 year old son into Parma. He’d grown up on the east side and had never been elsewhere in Cleveland much other than downtown. We’d never discussed Parma once, he had no concept of it whatsoever and didn’t know that’s where we were. We turned onto Pearl off of Ridge and after about 20 seconds he turned to me and said, “This street looks like the 1980s”! Call me crazy and biased... I still think that has a charm to it. Nonetheless... the city still doesn't have a charter because the same 5-6 people control all personnel decisions and backed all but one council person. It's the entire reason it took so long to consolidate HS's
February 4, 20205 yr ^ As I think I’ve mentioned upthread, my SO is Parma born and bred. She still has great affinity for the place and I kinda like parts of it too along some of the main thoroughfares where there’s still some remnants of what was. I agree with you @YABO713 that there is potential there. What drives her crazy is the hubris and intransigence you’ve described, that stops anything getting done. She remains heavily involved with a, let’s say ‘cultural’, organization in Parma that is loaded with money, but also slowly dying. They absolutely won’t do anything different from what they’ve been doing the last 30 years to break out of the slide. It’s infuriating. My hovercraft is full of eels
February 4, 20205 yr Author 14 minutes ago, roman totale XVII said: ^ As I think I’ve mentioned upthread, my SO is Parma born and bred. She still has great affinity for the place and I kinda like parts of it too along some of the main thoroughfares where there’s still some remnants of what was. I agree with you @YABO713 that there is potential there. What drives her crazy is the hubris and intransigence you’ve described, that stops anything getting done. She remains heavily involved with a, let’s say ‘cultural’, organization in Parma that is loaded with money, but also slowly dying. They absolutely won’t do anything different from what they’ve been doing the last 30 years to break out of the slide. It’s infuriating. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 4, 20205 yr Call me crazy, but I feel like the Shoppes at Parma should have been redeveloped into an outlet mall with spin off retail. Between Lodi Station & Aurora Farms, they're both a pain to get to in my opinion. I really believe putting Outlets at the old Parma town site was a viable option at a time of need & would have kept that monstrous lakefront proposal from ever being devised in the first place.
February 4, 20205 yr Author 52 minutes ago, ArtDecoSquirrel said: Call me crazy, but I feel like the Shoppes at Parma should have been redeveloped into an outlet mall with spin off retail. Between Lodi Station & Aurora Farms, they're both a pain to get to in my opinion. I really believe putting Outlets at the old Parma town site was a viable option at a time of need & would have kept that monstrous lakefront proposal from ever being devised in the first place. Not close enough to a highway. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 4, 20205 yr Remember Parma never had a firework show for the 4th since 2010... I think that says alot about killing our entertainment value for road repairs that never happened till last year.
February 27, 20205 yr Parma’s town center master plan recommends adding bike paths and green space John Benson - Thur. Feb. 27, 2020 Link: https://www.cleveland.com/community/2020/02/parmas-town-center-master-plan-recommends-adding-bike-paths-and-green-space.html "In a time when branding is everything, Parma is about to get into the game, focusing on the future of the area around Ridge and Ridgewood roads in the center of town. Last week, City Council unanimously approved the town center master plan, which includes dozens of recommendations, beginning with not only naming the area but also creating a logo." Some more info and presentations via Cuyahoga County Planning Commission: https://www.countyplanning.us/projects/parma-master-plan/ https://www.countyplanning.us/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Parma-Town-Center-Oct21.pdf
February 27, 20205 yr That's a whole lot of dressing up of a hideous area that has nearly zero redeeming qualities. The only way to achieve a "town center" would have been to use the failure of Parmatown as an opportunity to build out a street grid, create some sort of central plaza or square, and build mixed-use development in a master plan fashion. At the moment there's just a series of huge roads, parking lots, strip malls, and whatever you want to call The Shoppes at Parma. There's no logical way to turn that into anything meaningful. All that beautification and creation of bike lanes, trails, wayfinding, etc. won't do anyone any good if there's no "there" there and there isn't currently any obvious way to make that happen. Not in the near term future at least.
February 27, 20205 yr You'd be surprised @jmicha. To be honest and I don't mean to offend you or anyone when I say this; When you tell anyone not from Parma you're from there, they immediately say "Oh I'm sorry" or "Oh really, the Dirty-P". I'm just gonna point out that that's actually a pretty normal response. But there's little crime in Parma for it being the biggest suburb of Cleveland, It may look like a horrible run down boomer town, I mean it is... but its a nice comfy area to live in and there's always room to make things better. As for the Shoppes at Parma, I think it does really well. It has a very high occupancy rate and there's still more to be built in-between. They see alot of business because there's no other place to go in Parma, it really is town center. It's really no different from Ridge Park Square, so what's the issue? There was no sense in keeping Parmatown, who wants to shop at a dying mall? It's way more decorative now than it ever was, and it will only get better. Also every road is being fixed as we speak, bye bye pot-holes and random elevation changes. They're fixing it, sorry we let you down even though you've never lived there. This hatred of Parma has to stop. There's really nothing wrong with it. For serious. Edited February 27, 20205 yr by tastybunns
February 27, 20205 yr Parma is fine. The older section north of Snow Rd could use some sprucing up. Edited February 27, 20205 yr by skiwest
February 28, 20205 yr 4 hours ago, tastybunns said: You'd be surprised @jmicha. To be honest and I don't mean to offend you or anyone when I say this; When you tell anyone not from Parma you're from there, they immediately say "Oh I'm sorry" or "Oh really, the Dirty-P". I'm just gonna point out that that's actually a pretty normal response. But there's little crime in Parma for it being the biggest suburb of Cleveland, It may look like a horrible run down boomer town, I mean it is... but its a nice comfy area to live in and there's always room to make things better. As for the Shoppes at Parma, I think it does really well. It has a very high occupancy rate and there's still more to be built in-between. They see alot of business because there's no other place to go in Parma, it really is town center. It's really no different from Ridge Park Square, so what's the issue? There was no sense in keeping Parmatown, who wants to shop at a dying mall? It's way more decorative now than it ever was, and it will only get better. Also every road is being fixed as we speak, bye bye pot-holes and random elevation changes. They're fixing it, sorry we let you down even though you've never lived there. This hatred of Parma has to stop. There's really nothing wrong with it. For serious. Literally nothing I said was hatred of Parma. I have no problems in general with Parma anymore than I do with any suburb. In fact, I think parma does a decent job on a lot of accounts of providing the suburban lifestyle that many want but in a dense, affordably designed way. If all suburbs were more similar to Parma i think that would be an overall improvement. My problem is specifically with the area outlined in this plan. It's a series of poorly designed, disjointed remnants of past versions of the American suburban shopping realm. You have strip malls with parking out front, chunks of a dead mall with parking surrounding it, freestanding retail with parking surrounding it, freestanding big box stores with parking surrounding it, etc. And all this is connected by roads and a street grid that forces all traffic to a few key streets which means those streets have no way of ever being pedestrian friendly and the entirety of the development in this area is not walkable so there's no reason to be providing walkable infrastructure, wayfinding, placemaking, etc. unless there's an actual push to rebuild in a true mixed-use manner that would necessitate it. You say, "you'd be surprised" as if I'm not from the area. I used to go to Parmatown every Friday growing up to play Initial D at Aladdin's Castle Arcade. I was in that area as recently as Christmas. My opinion very much still stands even if the Shoppes at Parma is more successful than Parmatown was. It's still disjointed and does nothing to encourage an actual town center feel, making this plan quite odd in my mind. This planning document has a lot of great aspects to it, but it's missing the key element, and that's humans outside of their cars. Unless they truly push to make this into something it currently isn't, all of this is going to go to waste.
February 28, 20205 yr 5 hours ago, tastybunns said: You'd be surprised @jmicha. To be honest and I don't mean to offend you or anyone when I say this; When you tell anyone not from Parma you're from there, they immediately say "Oh I'm sorry" or "Oh really, the Dirty-P". I'm just gonna point out that that's actually a pretty normal response. But there's little crime in Parma for it being the biggest suburb of Cleveland, It may look like a horrible run down boomer town, I mean it is... but its a nice comfy area to live in and there's always room to make things better. As for the Shoppes at Parma, I think it does really well. It has a very high occupancy rate and there's still more to be built in-between. They see alot of business because there's no other place to go in Parma, it really is town center. It's really no different from Ridge Park Square, so what's the issue? There was no sense in keeping Parmatown, who wants to shop at a dying mall? It's way more decorative now than it ever was, and it will only get better. Also every road is being fixed as we speak, bye bye pot-holes and random elevation changes. They're fixing it, sorry we let you down even though you've never lived there. This hatred of Parma has to stop. There's really nothing wrong with it. For serious. I can confirm this. Being a Parma guy once dating a girl from Westlake, it was borderline offensive the reactions I would get to telling people I'm from Parma. I guess since my family originally came from the St. Clair-Superior area of Cleveland, I failed to realize some people in the outer ring suburbs view Parma the same way we view or old neighborhood. I felt like Eminem in 8 Mile, or Will in Fresh Prince of Belaire, it was odd to say to the least. lol But overall, I like the plan. Like, not love just to be clear. The current re-do of Parmatown works, but I will never not criticize the mostly vacant crater that faces Day drive. They could have done better, but screw it, I guess they're trying. I agree with J-Mich that building a small, intimate street grid could have led to the creation of a poor man's Crocker Park. Who knows if it would have worked, but it would have been interesting. One last thing before I get this thread closed for going off topic: To those of you only familiar with Cleveland's largest suburb from a distance, I encourage you to visit for a day. My recommendations include: Rudy's Bakery, Collaza's Bakery, Gentile's, Mizu Sushi, Little Polish Diner, Sittoo's, Chuppa's Market Place, PV Euro Mart, and Schnitzel Haus. Also, I know this last one is in Parma Heights, but East Coast Custard. Ours is drastically better than than Mentor & Fairview's, outdoor seating & googie architecture for the win. To summarize, just a very underrated area overall. That's it, I promise I'm done now.
February 28, 20205 yr 42 minutes ago, ArtDecoSquirrel said: I can confirm this. Being a Parma guy once dating a girl from Westlake, it was borderline offensive the reactions I would get to telling people I'm from Parma. I guess since my family originally came from the St. Clair-Superior area of Cleveland, I failed to realize some people in the outer ring suburbs view Parma the same way we view or old neighborhood. I felt like Eminem in 8 Mile, or Will in Fresh Prince of Belaire, it was odd to say to the least. lol But overall, I like the plan. Like, not love just to be clear. The current re-do of Parmatown works, but I will never not criticize the mostly vacant crater that faces Day drive. They could have done better, but screw it, I guess they're trying. I agree with J-Mich that building a small, intimate street grid could have led to the creation of a poor man's Crocker Park. Who knows if it would have worked, but it would have been interesting. One last thing before I get this thread closed for going off topic: To those of you only familiar with Cleveland's largest suburb from a distance, I encourage you to visit for a day. My recommendations include: Rudy's Bakery, Collaza's Bakery, Gentile's, Mizu Sushi, Little Polish Diner, Sittoo's, Chuppa's Market Place, PV Euro Mart, and Schnitzel Haus. Also, I know this last one is in Parma Heights, but East Coast Custard. Ours is drastically better than than Mentor & Fairview's, outdoor seating & googie architecture for the win. To summarize, just a very underrated area overall. That's it, I promise I'm done now. Great recommendations. I would also add State Meats, Perla Pierogies, Barabicu Smokehouse, Charm Thai, Corleone's and the Parma Tavern.
March 17, 20205 yr Author "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 17, 20205 yr Author Industrial Commercial Properties LLC (ICP) bought 5520 Chevrolet Blvd. for $9.2 million and will renovate the 575,000 SF building into a warehouse with 50K SF of offices as a speculative investment. The thinking is that demand for warehouses/light industrial is outpacing supply in the region so this building should attract an end user pretty quickly. ICP is also renovating a nearby property into a truck terminal for the Pitt-Ohio trucking company. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 17, 20205 yr Okay so not that ICP lol Concerning bike lanes- Parma has some good streets to bike on assuming you're already in the city. Connectivity from Cleveland on almost every road leads A LOT to be desired. I think they should work on/with NOACA, etc. to shore up and connect existing infrastructure. I'd hate to see them take the Cleveland approach that kind of puts bike lanes in weird places with no thinking towards connectivity. Private developers can do their thing though, anything is better than nothing.
March 30, 20205 yr For those who don't subscribe to Crain's, here is info on ICP plans for GM plant: https://www.cleveland.com/community/2020/03/developer-has-big-plans-for-massive-manufacturing-building-in-parma.html Edited March 30, 20205 yr by skiwest
April 12, 20205 yr I was looking around to see where a potential spot for a mega school could go because I've been pondering where the money would even come from. I'm not all for this entire restructuring of the district thing but where in the hell are you going to build this thing? Well I have a few concepts and ideas that may be on the forefront, but keep in mind this is just where I think they would be considering. So searching for a spot to build in or near the triad, is actually pretty difficult because everything is super developed, and it's hard trying to find a centrally located plot of land which will be used to serve 3 municipalities. I greatly oppose to consolidate all 3 because there's just no possible way you can cater to 3 cities in one location. This is why I think the trifecta or triad serves its purpose really well. Normandy offers close education to Seven Hills, Parma offers close education to the majority of Central/Northern Parma. and Valley Forge offers close education to Parma Heights and Western Parma. So if we really wanted to shut them down and rebuild something massive, it's got to be within or close to the area of the big 3. Here are some options that I would definitely consider. Some of the areas I highlight will come at a cost, but in order to build something that the entire district has been wanting to do for years we are going to need some extra property. 1) Even though you may not be able to see it from the main road very good, I stumbled upon ParmaDale Orphanage and Juvenile correction center off of State Road and W Ridgewood Drive. The entire compound is currently being demolished, and to be frank i never knew it was there my entire life. It's actually one of the only plots of land that something as big as a mega school could go without encroaching on nearby neighborhoods but there are some minor problems with its placement. Even though it's more of a central location to serve each 3 cities, it sits right across from Padua Franciscan High School, so automatically the traffic trying to get to and from school and traveling through that area would just absolutely suck unless the road is widened a lane or so, also no one can see it. I think one of the biggest focal points of building a public facility, it must be visible to the public as well as accessible by main road. So building something so far back may be a minor drawback but not a game changer either. 2) So we have two of the most ugly run down shopping plaza's on either side of the Shoppes at Parma, which are in really close proximity to Byers Field. I would be in favor of just leveling the entire strip from Legend's Sports Bar to the old Giant Eagle corpse as there's no business between Ames Drive and the Day Drive to Ridge access road. There's also some landfill or undeveloped land right behind that shopping strip to keep in in mind. There are some active properties in between like Olive Garden, Planet Fitness, Victoria's Deli, Mr. Hero, and the RTA park and ride station. Those properties can stay where they're already located. A pro about the property is that Day drive is already a 25 mph stretch of road, so a school zone sure wouldn't affect traffic, plus it's not a major thoroughfare as there's virtually no working business until you get to the actual working Giant Eagle. As it currently sits, it's just a sad stretch of road. They just recently repaved that entire length of Day Drive, and it's decently wide for the amount of traffic that flows through. I wouldn't mind throwing a facility here. 3) The other run down shopping plaza is where Parma Ridge Medical Center, Save A Lot, Leslie's Pools right across from Sheetz on Day Drive and Ridge Road. It's just a very unsuccessful strip of land, it seems like every time I come home and I pass by that entire plaza there's something missing, or something new that will never garner any new attraction. I would ask Leslie's pool supplies to move because they actually see a decent amount of business. I would put them at Shoppes at Parma because there's still plenty of space available, but who are we to tell them where to relocate? Ridge is about to be fully resurfaced, and by the time that entire is project is finished people wont drive so wildly, possibly making it safer for walking pedestrians. Traffic may be horrible closer to rush hour, but its no perfect property. 4) The last one that we could potentially draw up is acquiring the Constellation Middle/High School on W 54th and claiming eminent domain on a few properties so we can close some of the roads intersecting W 54th. Ries Rink and the Baseball Diamonds would be used as school facilities, and would remain in place. I'm not all for claiming ownership of people's properties, but there's absolutely nowhere we can build without any kind of interference or land with steep grade and protected land. Anyhow, W 54th was completely resurfaced some time ago but was never widened. I never thought a 3 lane road was ever suitable for PSH, but I guess it wasn't a problem to throw a massive high school in a neighborhood with barely any main road. Speaking of which, every time I have ever driven down W 54th, the speed limit is 35, meanwhile people think the school zone never ends and never stops at any point in time. Why people why? They couldn't have made it a 4 lane road instead of 2 lanes with a turning lane? Oh well... Continuing onward, that entire plot of land is plenty big for any school facility. There's already a charter school sitting on the land but there's no way it's a successful school system in general. I don't see why we can't just swoop in and acquire the entire thing and include the ice rink with the property. If we level the entire thing it may be costly but to open up some land for this so called "Monster" we need to be spending some serious money to open something up. I'm not so supportive of the entire movement, but if they feel like they need to consolidate, there's literally nowhere you can build it to be in a convenient location, because remember, you're serving Parma Heights, Parma, and Seven Hills, and that's why we have the big three where they are right now. I guess they're really dated, and yes I agree but I think they're forgetting that they can remodel, add an annex or even knock some walls down. Instead of doing what they want to do I feel like they should be saving their nickels and discover remodeling options. I just don't want this entire thing to ruin rivalries for a Berea Midpark Style Failure. Sorry for the lengthy post, but there needs to be a long talk to be had. There's no way there's any sort of land that's just ready to be built upon. We're not made of money either. If you have an idea of where we could place this giant feel free to share.
April 12, 20205 yr I’ve not heard about this nor do i have a dog in the fight. I finally visited the West Creek metropark to mtn bike the other week. Crazy packed. I notice that is next to the Parmadale property. I can see this being a merger of two high schools at that location. That seems doable and worthwhile and just revamp Valley Forge.
August 4, 20204 yr Prince & Izant staying in Parma, adding manufacturing space in $2.4M project. https://www.bizjournals.com/cleveland/news/2020/08/03/prince-and-izant-expanding-in-parma.html
October 1, 20213 yr I don't see the address in the article, but I assume it is in the Ukrainian Village section on State Rd. https://www.cleveland.com/community/2021/10/new-ukrainian-village-home-bakery-tasty-space-offers-parma-residents-mouth-watering-desserts.html
October 28, 20213 yr https://www.cleveland.com/community/2021/10/national-cookie-company-crumbl-will-soon-be-baking-at-the-shoppes-in-parma.html
October 28, 20213 yr https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2021/10/schnitz-ale-brewery-nears-opening-in-parma-first-look.html
November 4, 20213 yr GM upgrades at Parma. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/general-motors-to-invest-46-8-million-for-upgrades-at-parma-metal-center
November 8, 20213 yr On 11/4/2021 at 4:48 PM, LibertyBlvd said: GM upgrades at Parma. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/general-motors-to-invest-46-8-million-for-upgrades-at-parma-metal-center "...The plant currently....processes more than 800 tons of steel per day....." That's a lot of steel. Does that mean 800 tons roll in and out of there each day on average? Does that much move in each day? Is there a rail spur? Or is it all by truck? That's huge volume.
November 8, 20213 yr There is rail that crosses Brookpark right by the plant. Whether they use it or not, I don't know
November 8, 20213 yr 11 hours ago, bjk said: There is rail that crosses Brookpark right by the plant. Whether they use it or not, I don't know I got stuck behind it the other day - so I hope they still use it lol
November 8, 20213 yr Author 11 hours ago, Pugu said: "...The plant currently....processes more than 800 tons of steel per day....." That's a lot of steel. Does that mean 800 tons roll in and out of there each day on average? Does that much move in each day? Is there a rail spur? Or is it all by truck? That's huge volume. It's served by CSX from their CL&W sub off the busy Cleveland Short Line or from their New Castle Subdivision at Sterling, OH. In fact, CSX has an active rail yard right there called the Parma Yard. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 15, 20222 yr As of a few days ago Class of 22-23 will be the last students to graduate from Parma Senior High School. The school is planned to be completely demolished. "The move reconfigures grade bands at the remaining 11 schools to K-4, 5-8 and 9-12, with Parma Park Elementary School becoming the new location of the central office" https://www.cleveland.com/community/2022/06/parma-city-schools-board-of-education-approves-consolidation-plan-to-close-parma-high-school-parma-park-elementary-school-and-renwood-elementary-school.html
March 30, 20232 yr Does anyone know what development is going in on the corner of State Rd.& Grantwood. This is the site of the former elementary school that was closed years back.
March 30, 20232 yr 26 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said: Discount Drug Mart. Are you sure? This is a rather large parcel and it could fit a few discount drug marts.
March 30, 20232 yr Yes. They are also putting in a playground behind it. https://www.cleveland.com/community/2023/03/discount-drug-mart-finally-starting-construction-on-former-state-road-elementary-site-in-parma.html Edited March 30, 20232 yr by LibertyBlvd
March 30, 20232 yr Yes. They are also putting in a playground behind it. https://www.cleveland.com/community/2023/03/discount-drug-mart-finally-starting-construction-on-former-state-road-elementary-site-in-parma.html Womp womp. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
August 9, 20231 yr Parma and West Creek Conservancy to reforest Walters Grove Park Aug. 09, 2023 By John Benson, special to cleveland.com Quote Parma is planning a reforestation project to restore the tree canopy at Walters Grove Park. Along with West Creek Conservancy, the city was recently awarded a 2023-2024 Cuyahoga County Tree Grant for $115,400. They will use that money to plant more than 150 trees at the popular Walter Avenue site. ... Cuyahoga County Director of the Department of Sustainability Mike Foley is excited about the planting project in Parma, which currently has a canopy coverage of roughly 28 percent -- placing it in the lower third of Cuyahoga County. https://www.cleveland.com/community/2023/08/parma-and-west-creek-conservancy-planning-to-reforest-walters-grove-park.html
March 8, 20241 yr On the border, but I learned Southland Lanes (west 130th and Pearl, operates in the basement of Southland Shopping Center) will be closing on June 2nd; located in the building closest to west 130th and Pearl. Been open for >40 years. Spoke to the Weber family that owns and operates the alley, wasn't their choice; landlord wants to renovate the building and after negotiations to keep it open or reopen after the renovations (Webers offered), landlord declined. The entire downstairs/lower level will be closed. No idea who the new tenant(s) will be. Property is owned by Brixmor, a national REIT based in NYC. Edited March 8, 20241 yr by skorasaurus additional info
March 8, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, skorasaurus said: On the border, but I learned Southland Lanes (west 130th and Pearl, operates in the basement of Southland Shopping Center) will be closing on June 2nd; located in the building closest to west 130th and Pearl. Been open for >40 years. Spoke to the Weber family that owns and operates the alley, wasn't their choice; landlord wants to renovate the building and after negotiations to keep it open or reopen after the renovations (Webers offered), landlord declined. The entire downstairs/lower level will be closed. No idea who the new tenant(s) will be. Property is owned by Brixmor, a national REIT based in NYC. That sucks. I hope they can open in a new place... at least maybe just the pinball portion. I'll keep my eyes open for a large amount of machines on the local market, that will be the indicator. Edited March 8, 20241 yr by viscomi
March 9, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, viscomi said: That sucks. I hope they can open in a new place... at least maybe just the pinball portion. I'll keep my eyes open for a large amount of machines on the local market, that will be the indicator. Pinball will move to in a new location, to be determined. Chris (Weber) is actively looking for new spaces. If anyone knows of any places (my guess is 1500-2500 sq ft?), I can share them with him. For those not in the know, they have the largest selection (~35) of pinball machines from Toledo to Youngstown. Edited March 9, 20241 yr by skorasaurus added info.
March 9, 20241 yr 5 hours ago, skorasaurus said: On the border, but I learned Southland Lanes (west 130th and Pearl, operates in the basement of Southland Shopping Center) will be closing on June 2nd; located in the building closest to west 130th and Pearl. Been open for >40 years. Spoke to the Weber family that owns and operates the alley, wasn't their choice; landlord wants to renovate the building and after negotiations to keep it open or reopen after the renovations (Webers offered), landlord declined. The entire downstairs/lower level will be closed. No idea who the new tenant(s) will be. Property is owned by Brixmor, a national REIT based in NYC. That’s really sad. I had and several of my friends had our elementary aged birthday parties there.
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