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7 hours ago, GCrites said:

Which means they can't blame outgroups and know things have to be done systematically. Instead of blaming drivers they blame design or policy. No saying "If people would just... (slow down) (read signs) (not be so nuts) etc.

 

This book argues that The United States is a mostly loose country:

https://www.michelegelfand.com/rule-makers-rule-breakers

 

Japan, specifically, is singled out as a bizarre place.  I have heard Asians from nearby countries (Korea, China, Taiwan) say Japan is just as weird to them as it is to Americans. 

 

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6 hours ago, Lazarus said:

Japan, specifically, is singled out as a bizarre place.  I have heard Asians from nearby countries (Korea, China, Taiwan) say Japan is just as weird to them as it is to Americans. 

 

I’m sure that opinion has nothing to do with Imperialist Japan of 1895-1945 invading and brutally colonizing those countries. 

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Wasn't sure where to stick this...

 

Mystery land buyers around California Air Force base revealed

Tom Palmer

Sat, August 26, 2023 at 12:20 PM PDT·3 min read

 

(NewsNation) – New reports shed light on nearly $1 billion in land purchases by a mysterious company near a California Air Force base that raised national security concerns.

 

Since 2018, a group called “Flannery Associates” invested more than $800 million on almost 54,000 acres of agriculture-zoned land surrounding the Travis Air Force base in Solano County, California, public records show.

 

Despite early speculation China was behind the purchases — amid concerns that companies with ties to China have been ramping up efforts to buy American farmland — legal representation for Flannery has maintained the group is controlled by U.S. citizens, with 97% of its capital coming from U.S.-based investors.

 

However, after eight months of investigation, federal officials were not able to confirm or deny this to be true, and were not able to determine exactly who was backing the company.

 

Now, reports from The New York Times and San Francisco Chronicle reveal Flannery is comprised of a group of ultra-wealthy Silicon Valley investors acquiring vast parcels of land northeast of San Francisco with the mission to build a new California city “from scratch.”

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On 8/11/2023 at 7:49 AM, Boomerang_Brian said:

I’m sure that opinion has nothing to do with Imperialist Japan of 1895-1945 invading and brutally colonizing those countries. 

There is way more going on in Japan than is suggested in these videos and comments. Of course Japan has a vibrant right wing that constantly claims that Chinese, Koreans and Americans are "coming for Japanese". It's true Japan doesn't let in many immigrants, but the country's major cities have become much more diverse in the last twenty years. Not Singapore or Hong Kong diverse, but way more than 30 or 50 years ago.

 

And Fukuoka isn't Austin or Columbus. It's San Francisco, Japan's window to Korea and China. Japan's top 10 cities or so do very well, stable or slightly growing populations - Fukuoka is the country's 4th largest metro area after Tokyo-Yokohama, Osaka-Kyoto, and Nagoya, and a few regional cities like Sapporo, Sendai, Kanazawa and Hiroshima still attract people from smaller cities, but many of Japan's mid-major and small cities look not much better than Rust Belt cities. I was in Aomori a few years ago and it reminded me of Flint. Japan's got a homeless problem, and maybe not as many problems with fentanyl and meth as the US, but plenty of people abuse the drugs that are available - tobacco and booze mainly. Japan, Inc. does a very good job of "telling its story" and convincing the rest of the world that Tokyo and a few major cities are representative of the country as a whole, but once you get off the beaten tracks - the bullet train mostly - Japan's got plenty of problems hiding in its hinterlands. 

On 8/11/2023 at 7:49 AM, Boomerang_Brian said:

I’m sure that opinion has nothing to do with Imperialist Japan of 1895-1945 invading and brutally colonizing those countries. 

One of the interesting things I learned traveling in Korea and studying Korean history is that, for the most part, South Koreans who lived through Japan's occupation had a neutral to slightly positive view of Japan, especially compared to China and Communism. However, like China, Korea used Japan as a nationalist punching bag to extract loans and grants from the Japanese for many years - years South Korea needed Japanese aid and support to be sure - and part of that extraction was teaching South Korean children all about the horrors - yes there were horrors to the Korean national identity - so that the younger generation of Koreans who did not experience Japanese occupation had a far worse view of Japan than their parents and grandparents who did experience it.

 

But a lot of it is just ginned up nationalist "you're hurting me" rhetoric that was trotted out in times when the Korean government itself was weak and needed a punching boy. The PRC does this religiously - sending Chinese high school and college students to "protest" at Japanese embassies for a fixed amount of time it is convenient for the central government. It is inorganic, astroturfing as we say in the US.

 

Compare it to Taiwan - the longest external colony of Japan outside of Okinawa and Hokkaido, where there have been almost no protests against Japanese colonialism, and no curriculum that emphasizes the "bad Japanese." The Nationalists there were very much anti-Communist and anti-PRC, and saw Japan as a natural and necessary ally, and didn't bother like the Koreans and Chinese of vilifying Japan at their convenience. 

 

I've studied and lived in Japan off and on over the last 25 years, and I'm planning to go for a month again soon. Japan has its problems internally, but its international relations with its neighbors have been pretty stellar since the end of WWII. Are Koreans and their descendants mistreated inside Japan, especially by the right wing? Oh my yes. But much of the furor between South Korea and Japan about its occupation is a political hobbyhorse created by the South Koreans themselves. 

On 8/26/2023 at 6:29 PM, The_Cincinnati_Kid said:

Now, reports from The New York Times and San Francisco Chronicle reveal Flannery is comprised of a group of ultra-wealthy Silicon Valley investors acquiring vast parcels of land northeast of San Francisco with the mission to build a new California city “from scratch.”


That was not a twist I was expecting but I can't same I'm surprised. This seems to be the exact type of thing some tech bros would advocate for.

17 hours ago, westerninterloper said:

I've studied and lived in Japan off and on over the last 25 years, and I'm planning to go for a month again soon. Japan has its problems internally, but its international relations with its neighbors have been pretty stellar since the end of WWII. Are Koreans and their descendants mistreated inside Japan, especially by the right wing? Oh my yes. But much of the furor between South Korea and Japan about its occupation is a political hobbyhorse created by the South Koreans themselves. 

Thank you for those insights.

 

That makes Biden's recent efforts to bring Korea and Japan together to oppose China more significant.  Perhaps we are seeing the thawing of relations and now that Korea is stronger (perhaps as strong as Japan at this point) they will tone down the "look what Japan did to us in the past" rhetoric.  That would be good -- they would both benefit from better relations.

6 hours ago, Foraker said:

Thank you for those insights.

 

That makes Biden's recent efforts to bring Korea and Japan together to oppose China more significant.  Perhaps we are seeing the thawing of relations and now that Korea is stronger (perhaps as strong as Japan at this point) they will tone down the "look what Japan did to us in the past" rhetoric.  That would be good -- they would both benefit from better relations.

I agree - I think it is quite significant if Biden is able to bring the governments closer, and get South Korea to at least not encourage sentiments against Japan. They have many shared interests. 

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BREAKING & HUGE: The British Columbia Govt has announced they’ll be ending Public Hearings for housing rezonings that conform with city-wide plans. They’ll also be over-riding municipal zoning to allow up to 4 homes per lot, and 6 near transit, across BC.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/bc-municipalities-small-scale-multi-unit-homes-single-family-lots

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

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11 minutes ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

There's a big push among conservatives to make up a myth of people leaving CA in droves. While there is some movement out, it's not really a big factor https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/09/leaving-california-exodus-evidence-myth

 

Also, many conservatives are trying to make it seem that a large chunk of Californians are fleeing to red states like Texas to escape taxes but ironically Texas has higher real takes than CA. It's all based on jealousy. 

 

CA HSR's biggest benefit is going to be connecting the large Central Valley cities that were bypassed by I-5 and making it possible to commute from Fresno to LA if that's needed. Back to Jake's San Jose unhinged rant. Again, who cares if they benefit more than SF? San Francisco is actually a pretty small city all things considered. 

 

Part of the reason I'm so hopeful about the 3C+D line is that once the genie is out of the bottle and people see how much nicer it is to take the train than to drive, people will demand more. People will demand commuter rail from the suburbs, more trips between cities and rail transit within cities. It's too bad that republicans in this state are too worried about one trans kid wanting to play sports than addressing real issues that can help the state. I mean, Utah's GOP legislature can advocate for more rail transit while also being totally evil in all other respects. Why can't Ohio's?

To avoid exaggeration from either the left or the right I recommend going straight to the data itself. I'd also recommend sorting per capita. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_net_migration

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More than half of US's 25,000 cities are predicted to become ghost towns by 2100... so, will YOUR area be affected?

 

By Peter Hess For Dailymail.Com12:41 EST 16 Jan 2024

 

 

Researchers used data from 2000 to 2020 to predict what 2100 will look like

 

In a severe scenario, as many as 64 percent of US cities will lose population 

 

City services will be impacted in unpredictable ways as local tax bases shrink  

 

READ MORE: 93 percent of countries face threat of 'underpopulation' by 2100

 

Half of the nearly 25,000 cities in the US could become ghost towns by 2100, a study suggests.

 

 

more:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-12969689/US-cities-predicted-ghost-towns-2100.html

 

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Billionaire backers of new California city seek voter approval after stealthily snapping up farmland

JANIE HAR

Updated Wed, January 17, 2024 at 5:16 PM PST·5 min read

 

RIO VISTA, Calif. (AP) — After years of secretly snapping up farmland for a new city northeast of San Francisco, the CEO of a company backed by Silicon Valley billionaires pitched voters Wednesday on his vision for a walkable, affordable community that would appeal to their California pride.

 

Jan Sramek, a former Goldman Sachs trader spearheading the ambitious city-building effort, offered the first detailed look Wednesday at his proposal to construct least 20,000 homes in rural Solano County, between Sacramento and the San Francisco Bay Area.

 

His plan needs the approval of county voters in November to bypass protections put in place in 1984 to keep agricultural land from being turned into urban space. If approved, it would be built on more than $800 million of rural land Sramek and his company, California Forever, stealthily purchased over a period of years to the great suspicion of locals.

 

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On 1/17/2024 at 8:28 PM, The_Cincinnati_Kid said:

Billionaire backers of new California city seek voter approval after stealthily snapping up farmland

JANIE HAR

Updated Wed, January 17, 2024 at 5:16 PM PST·5 min read

 

RIO VISTA, Calif. (AP) — After years of secretly snapping up farmland for a new city northeast of San Francisco, the CEO of a company backed by Silicon Valley billionaires pitched voters Wednesday on his vision for a walkable, affordable community that would appeal to their California pride.

 

Jan Sramek, a former Goldman Sachs trader spearheading the ambitious city-building effort, offered the first detailed look Wednesday at his proposal to construct least 20,000 homes in rural Solano County, between Sacramento and the San Francisco Bay Area.

 

His plan needs the approval of county voters in November to bypass protections put in place in 1984 to keep agricultural land from being turned into urban space. If approved, it would be built on more than $800 million of rural land Sramek and his company, California Forever, stealthily purchased over a period of years to the great suspicion of locals.

 

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It seems widely unlikely that voters would approve this but overall I'm fascinated by this project. On the surface, it seems like they've done their work to fully plan out this future city, with a ton of features that are part of the new progressive conventional wisdom on city planning. And yet...it still doesn't feel like it's going to pan out. It reminds me of the Eixample district in Barcelona in its intent but the location seems too far removed from an existing urban core.

Seems like high concept urban sprawl to me.  Color me unimpressed.

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Cleveland, other climate havens win Bloomberg bucks
By Ken Prendergast / March 12, 2024

 

Cleveland was selected today by Bloomberg Philanthropies as one of 25 U.S. cities to join Bloomberg American Sustainable Cities (BASC) and be the recipient of $200 million divided roughly equally among them. BASC is a three-year initiative designed to leverage historic levels of federal funding to incubate and implement transformative local solutions to build low-carbon, resilient, and economically thriving communities.

 

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https://neo-trans.blog/2024/03/12/cleveland-other-climate-havens-win-bloomberg-bucks/

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

The U.S. crime rate is still dropping, FBI data shows

Why does the public think it's going up? “There is definitely more disorder in cities than there was five years ago," said one expert. “People confuse disorder and crime."

 

March 19, 2024, 10:10 AM PDT

By Ken Dilanian

 

New FBI data confirms previous indications that crime in the U.S. declined significantly in 2023, continuing a post-pandemic trend and belying widespread perceptions that crime is rising.

 

The new fourth-quarter numbers showed a 13% decline in murder in 2023 from 2022, a 6% decline in reported violent crime and a 4% decline in reported property crime. That’s based on data from around 13,000 law enforcement agencies, policing about 82% of the U.S. population, that provided the FBI with data through December.

 

“It suggests that when we get the final data in October, we will have seen likely the largest one-year decline in murder that has ever been recorded,” said Jeff Asher, a former CIA analyst who now studies crime trends.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/rcna144100

On 1/21/2024 at 1:11 PM, Dev said:


It seems widely unlikely that voters would approve this but overall I'm fascinated by this project. On the surface, it seems like they've done their work to fully plan out this future city, with a ton of features that are part of the new progressive conventional wisdom on city planning. And yet...it still doesn't feel like it's going to pan out. It reminds me of the Eixample district in Barcelona in its intent but the location seems too far removed from an existing urban core.

 

On 1/21/2024 at 1:42 PM, X said:

Seems like high concept urban sprawl to me.  Color me unimpressed.

 

If there was a train line into SF this might be a really great project.  "If."   (I share your concerns about sprawl)

 

On the other hand, SF is really hemmed in by the bay, housing prices are really unaffordable, and there isn't a lot of land to build on.  So building density somewhere removed, but with good fast transit, would be the best solution.

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Building a great future means admitting our mistakes of the past

 

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

7 minutes ago, KJP said:

Building a great future means admitting our mistakes of the past

 

 

Parking.  

15 minutes ago, OH_Really said:

Parking.  

And getting people out of the areas quicker. 

On 3/19/2024 at 3:18 PM, Foraker said:

 

 

If there was a train line into SF this might be a really great project.  "If."   (I share your concerns about sprawl)

 

On the other hand, SF is really hemmed in by the bay, housing prices are really unaffordable, and there isn't a lot of land to build on.  So building density somewhere removed, but with good fast transit, would be the best solution.

Um, what? Virtually every structure in this image is a single family home with good transit access. Easing zoning to allow multi family housing, especially utilizing point access block / direct stair access structures would DRASTICALLY increase the supply of housing in San Fran. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunset_District,_San_Francisco#/media/File:Sunset_District_Drone_Shot_07APR2018.png


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When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?

1 hour ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

Um, what? Virtually every structure in this image is a single family home with good transit access. Easing zoning to allow multi family housing, especially utilizing point access block / direct stair access structures would DRASTICALLY increase the supply of housing in San Fran. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunset_District,_San_Francisco#/media/File:Sunset_District_Drone_Shot_07APR2018.png


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I think you might be misunderstanding my point.  I was referring to this new development: 

On 1/17/2024 at 8:28 PM, The_Cincinnati_Kid said:

Billionaire backers of new California city seek voter approval after stealthily snapping up farmland

JANIE HAR

Updated Wed, January 17, 2024 at 5:16 PM PST·5 min read

 

RIO VISTA, Calif. (AP) — After years of secretly snapping up farmland for a new city northeast of San Francisco, the CEO of a company backed by Silicon Valley billionaires pitched voters Wednesday on his vision for a walkable, affordable community that would appeal to their California pride.

 

Jan Sramek, a former Goldman Sachs trader spearheading the ambitious city-building effort, offered the first detailed look Wednesday at his proposal to construct least 20,000 homes in rural Solano County, between Sacramento and the San Francisco Bay Area.

 

His plan needs the approval of county voters in November to bypass protections put in place in 1984 to keep agricultural land from being turned into urban space. If approved, it would be built on more than $800 million of rural land Sramek and his company, California Forever, stealthily purchased over a period of years to the great suspicion of locals.

 

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That new development is low density and would be improved by more density and a fast train to SF. 

 

Does SF need more density?  Certainly.  But that is a separate discussion.  Some of SF undoubtedly needs to be torn down and rebuilt at higher density.  Preservationists undoubtedly will fight that tooth and nail, so we're going to see housing demand leading to more of this kind of development outside of SF.  We should be advocating for such developments to be denser and to serve SF with transit, even while encouraging zoning changes within SF.

 

In fact, I think that most people should be living in a higher density area than is currently the case in almost all of the US.  It makes more financial sense, and the "great" old cities on other continents show that there is a goldilocks range of density that allows a lot of people to live well, and it doesn't have to be an overcrowded slum, the kind of miserable place that the anti-density crowd rails against whenever the word "density" comes up. 

 

I don't think lower density developments are going to disappear in the US anytime soon.  And in that case, those developments should be more expensive (they certainly will be more expensive to maintain), and if they have their own denser "downtown" and are connected to denser places by good transit that would be an improvement.

 

Gen Z Has Fewer Drivers & Our Communities Are Not Ready
 

What was once a right of passage for teenagers across America, obtaining a drivers license in high school, is now viewed with far less zeal today by Generation Z. That's the takeaway from recent data released by the Federal Highway Administration which showed that only 25% of American 16-year olds obtained their drivers license in 2023, down from 43% in 1997.

 

https://www.remainplaces.com/post/gen-z-is-driving-less-our-communities-are-not-ready

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

This could turn out to be a great thing for cities if generation Z wants to live close in. They could turn out to be a major catalyst to turn downtown and inner ring suburbs back to what they were before sprawl hit. Just imagion - walking to stores and taking light rail for work or entertainment. Love it.

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To look forward sometimes we must look back. While there are still parts of Boston that have European-scale land use patterns, it is incredible how much was allowed to be destroyed. Boston is very much like European cities except that it lacks a medieval core. Most European cities didn't start developing and growing rapidly until shortly before Boston was founded in 1630. It was already older than Cleveland is now when this photo was taken 164 years ago....

 

The oldest surviving aerial photo is of Boston in circa 1860. It was taken by photographer James Wallace Black from a hot air balloon 2,000ft in the air. It is believed there was one photo of Paris taken from the air in 1858, but this image no longer exists, making this the oldest aerial photo in history.

 

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

^ Oh man. That is a wonderful pic of a city l could live in. The layout and density is so appealing. Just beautiful.

The office market is getting clobbered everywhere 

 

Fort Worth's tallest building trades hands at a shocking 91% 'discount' in just 3 yrs of ownership

The lender was the highest bidder w/ a $12.3M credit bid in an auction

The building was previously acquired for $137.5M in 2021

That's a $125M 'haircut' in just 3 yrs

Source: Dallas Business Journal

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

On 4/30/2024 at 9:43 AM, KJP said:

To look forward sometimes we must look back. While there are still parts of Boston that have European-scale land use patterns, it is incredible how much was allowed to be destroyed. Boston is very much like European cities except that it lacks a medieval core. Most European cities didn't start developing and growing rapidly until shortly before Boston was founded in 1630. It was already older than Cleveland is now when this photo was taken 164 years ago....

 

The oldest surviving aerial photo is of Boston in circa 1860. It was taken by photographer James Wallace Black from a hot air balloon 2,000ft in the air. It is believed there was one photo of Paris taken from the air in 1858, but this image no longer exists, making this the oldest aerial photo in history.

 

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This is the "European" density that travelers rave about -- the city probably lacked sufficient parks and green space (but also lacked the sea of parking that infests the modern city), as well as the skyscrapers we clamor for on this site.  But probably is much more productive than the tower-dominated downtowns of Ohio's Big 3.

20 hours ago, Foraker said:

This is the "European" density that travelers rave about -- the city probably lacked sufficient parks and green space (but also lacked the sea of parking that infests the modern city), as well as the skyscrapers we clamor for on this site.  But probably is much more productive than the tower-dominated downtowns of Ohio's Big 3.

 

Probably not many parks, but you could walk to the countryside fairly easily.

100 years ago the US didn't have many parks in cities either. People hung out in -- not making this up -- cemeteries instead. 

Yeah, Lake View Cemetery in Cleveland is a good example. Presumably it was a destination for family picnics and strolls way back.   But, they don't allow joggers.  (At least they didn't back in the 1980's.  I was stopped by security and asked to leave while jogging when I was a student at Case.)   

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I was a Lake View Cemetery a few weeks ago and saw lots of people strolling and also saw people having a picnic on the lawn.

That is a great idea and makes it even a better idea to start planting people with trees instead of burying them in a casket. 

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Jacksonville, the fourth fastest growing city in America, has bumped Austin, Texas out to enter the list of top-10 largest cities by population in the United States.

Jacksonville is notably the largest city in the U.S. by land size.

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

13 hours ago, KJP said:

Jacksonville, the fourth fastest growing city in America, has bumped Austin, Texas out to enter the list of top-10 largest cities by population in the United States.

Jacksonville is notably the largest city in the U.S. by land size.

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I'm not usually critical of cities as I can find good in most in my travels.    But Jacksonville is souless and rough.  

Doesn't help that it's one of those cities that's propped up by the military so most of the effort goes into the suburban-type areas.

^ To me, it’s the most anonymous big city in the country. I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone mention it outside of talking about the Jaguars and I’ve never known anyone even go there for anything other than a football game. This includes the 5+ years I actually lived in the state. (Admittedly, that was Miami and the North/ South divide in FL is very real!)

My hovercraft is full of eels

On 5/24/2024 at 1:06 PM, roman totale XVII said:

^ To me, it’s the most anonymous big city in the country. I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone mention it outside of talking about the Jaguars and I’ve never known anyone even go there for anything other than a football game. This includes the 5+ years I actually lived in the state. (Admittedly, that was Miami and the North/ South divide in FL is very real!)


the peak of its cultural relevance was the character Jason Mendoza in the  sitcom The Good Place, if any of you watched that, ha ha.

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$600,000/unit for a self-contained tower isolated within a sketchy area is a pretty big gamble. All the best to them, but I'm skeptical. 

29 minutes ago, Silent Matt said:

 

Permanent supportive housing?  I think most if not all big cities are doing that.  Or high-rise apartments to fulfill that PSH?  I think the question then is, "why"?  It's a very expensive way to build housing, and the benefit seems nebulous and dubious.

Also, let's pick one thread for this discussion, and I will delete the others.

21 minutes ago, X said:

 

Permanent supportive housing?  I think most if not all big cities are doing that.  Or high-rise apartments to fulfill that PSH?  I think the question then is, "why"?  It's a very expensive way to build housing, and the benefit seems nebulous and dubious.

Did you read the article before writing this? They have a massive amount of homeless people and have limited space. The obvious answer is to build upwards. There will be 3 towers. Also, it's meant to be a self contained environment with amenities and that's easier with a tower.

37 minutes ago, TBideon said:

$600,000/unit for a self-contained tower isolated within a sketchy area is a pretty big gamble. All the best to them, but I'm skeptical. 

"The $165-million project will receive permanent financing from Proposition HHH."

maybe jeb should have never loaded up the truck and moved to beverly, hills that is —

 

 

 

How this US region has become a hip place to live — with it also being dirt cheap: ‘We’re never leaving’

 

By Social Links forRealtor.com

 

 

While the Appalachian region of the U.S. might conjure up unflattering stereotypes of coal mines and opioid addiction, residents Greg and Missi Moore don’t mind the rumors that circulate about where they live. They even joke about them.

 

“They call me ‘The Anomaly’ down here, because I have all my teeth,” quips Greg, who is 6-foot-5 and also goes by “Big Mo.”

 

In early 2024, the Moores moved from a million-dollar home near Washington, DC, to the West Virginia community of Glade Springs. There, they found a gorgeous Frank Lloyd Wright–inspired home for $675,000.

 

Both were coincidentally born and raised in West Virginia, albeit in different areas, and both fled the state as soon as they graduated high school to join the military.

 

“I’m never coming back,” they vowed.

 

Now, Big Mo swears, “We’re never leaving.”

 

 

more:

https://nypost.com/2024/06/14/real-estate/how-this-us-region-has-become-a-hip-place-to-live-with-it-also-being-dirt-cheap-were-never-leaving/

As someone who was born in WV (but moved to Cleveland at the age of 3) and still has WV relatives scattered about l'm familiar with the state's beauty and l know the hillbilly culture. I think it's interesting that some are finding Appalachia a viable place to escape higher priced areas but when l read articles like this l just keep thinking "Why not Cleveland?" 

 

Some of us Cleveland cheerleaders are saying it's just a matter of time before there is new growth here due to climate change and high cost of living elsewhere but l'm still waiting. At this point the re-locating articles are about other areas, not Cleveland. I love it here. I want to see us participate in this new population movement but at this point it seems l'm still waiting for us to be (re)-discovered.

 

And that's disappointing.

Housing in Cleveland is still double what it can be in Appalachia. I remember being at SSU and when the students from Cincinnati suburbs found out they could stay in Appalachia and buy a house for $50k after teaching a couple years of middle school they took it. They had seen their parents struggle to pay off the 250k mortgage their folks had in Anderson or whatever and saw a way out.

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