The plans for the peninsula were an expansion of the brewery (essentially a second brewery). Back in February I heard that those plans were on hold and GLBC wasn't actively planning an expansion and wouldn't likely revisit that for a year...that was pre-Covid.

20 minutes ago, scb0525 said:

The plans for the peninsula were an expansion of the brewery (essentially a second brewery). Back in February I heard that those plans were on hold and GLBC wasn't actively planning an expansion and wouldn't likely revisit that for a year...that was pre-Covid.

 

But but we need MORE beer during COVID!!

1 hour ago, cle_guy90 said:

Did something change and the canning facility for GLBC end up in Strongsville instead of the Penisula?  Don't even remember hearing of an expansion to Strongsville.

 

The plan was always to put canning in Strongsville. This is separate from, and does not impact, the Scranton plans. That said, the Scranton plans are still a ways off and not specific at this point. 
 

GLB has wanted to get into canning for cost structure purposes for a while. 

 

WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 2, 2020

NRP Group abandons Scranton Peninsula project

 

A worldwide economic downturn and a shift in market approach have forced the NRP Group to abandon its plans to develop a 330-unit apartment-townhouse complex on Scranton Peninsula, across the Cuyahoga River from downtown Cleveland.

 

Among major cities, Greater Cleveland has suffered more pandemic-related job losses than all but three other cities -- New York, Las Vegas and Boston. And NRP Group has been shifting its focus from developing market-rate housing to affordable and workforce housing,

 

In fact, The Peninsula Luxury Apartments and Townhomes reportedly would have been one of NRP Group's last market-rate residential developments. Proposed on Carter Road were 315 apartments in two C-shaped buildings and 15 townhouses scattered among three locations on the 7.44-acre site. A two-level parking deck also was planned.

 

MORE:

http://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/09/nrp-group-abandons-scranton-peninsula.html

Not that I enjoy seeing potential developments fall through, but hopefully something/someone with a better vision takes it's place.

Wow... disappointing in that we don't know how long it will now take to see some life here... but on the other hand- I never loved the design and land use of this project; even with its revisions.  I am not happy this is abandoned, but I guess now I am hoping that whatever happens here is far superior in design.

I’m not glad this ended period. And we DONT know how long it will take for this to be developed. People here was killing this project, letting perfect be the enemy of good. Well we all better hope and pray that this doesn’t continue to stay abandoned. 

Disappointing, although can't say that I'm shocked.  I am glad that NRP is still going ahead with so many affordable projects throughout the city because they are badly needed, but this is a big setback for Thunderbird.  They probably would have gone ahead with this if the SW R&D had ended up on the peninsula.

I wonder if NRP is going thru with their E.55 project next to channel 8? Does anyone know?

This one does not surprise me. After all this is Cleveland.

38 minutes ago, simplythis said:

I wonder if NRP is going thru with their E.55 project next to channel 8? Does anyone know?

This one does not surprise me. After all this is Cleveland.

If you're referring to the project that I think you are, that is Knez, not NRP.

13 minutes ago, tykaps said:

If you're referring to the project that I think you are, that is Knez, not NRP.

Yes  - you are correct. It is Knez. Anybody have info on that project?   

Was checking loopnet and noticed that Thunderbird is now being marketed with NRP's plans available.

Really hoping whatever developer comes next scraps this crap and makes a better design.

 

An interesting take from the head of Old Brooklyn CDC. Not sure what other folks think but I wonder if the city had proactive leaders if this would be marketed more appropriately. The article makes the whole Thunderbird Concept to be blowing aimlessly in the wind:

 

 

Drats, @KJPyou posted it as I was typing lol

Edited December 2, 20204 yr by GISguy

@GISguy Yeah but I didn't see Verespej's tweet. Thanks for posting it. 

First:

And then:

This would honestly be fantastic. I’d much prefer to have a brewery open here as opposed to offices. This would better help kickstart future Scranton development. Plus, paired with whatever future development GLBC may add nearby, this entire area has the potential to be transformed into Cleveland’s own riverfront brewery district.

 

PLUS, when you consider that Cleveland Whiskey is moving across the river in Flats South, imagine a re-opened Eagle Ave Bridge. Then this entire portion of the flats can be reimagined into a connected Brewery/Entertainment district that is reflected through a neighborhood of townhomes, apartments/condos, green spaces and the Towpath.

 

Some pretty incredible opportunity here...So here’s to hoping BrewDog does indeed end up moving in here. 🤞🏻 

Edited December 4, 20204 yr by urbanetics_

BrewDog is a really good company in many ways. This addition would be far more than "just another brewpub."

2 hours ago, LlamaLawyer said:

BrewDog is a really good company in many ways. This addition would be far more than "just another brewpub."

I can’t think of a better recession-proof district than one based on good beer! 

https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2020/12/brewdog-to-cleveland-brewery-mulls-opportunity.html

This is looks like the recently white-boxed Avian building

 

 

17 hours ago, KJP said:

This is looks like the recently white-boxed Avian building

 

Yes, that was mentioned a few posts up.

The Avian at Thunderbird (Sun. 3-7-21)

 

 

 

 

View from Duck Island

 

A walkthrough of The Avian can be seen on Google Streeview: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4925462,-81.6977739,3a,75y,304.67h,91.15t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAF1QipOSPaq4b-tWGFBNh-lJPyNmJUkWe29gJ7H51waW!2e10!3e11!7i8192!8i4096?hl=en

15 hours ago, NorthShore647 said:

The Avian at Thunderbird (Sun. 3-7-21)

 

 

 

 

View from Duck Island

 

A walkthrough of The Avian can be seen on Google Streeview: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4925462,-81.6977739,3a,75y,304.67h,91.15t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAF1QipOSPaq4b-tWGFBNh-lJPyNmJUkWe29gJ7H51waW!2e10!3e11!7i8192!8i4096?hl=en

WOW, it looks so much better than it did six months ago when I was last there taking pictures! 

 

At that point they had the interior done BUT the exterior walls was covered with graffiti and no parking lot either.

 

Brewdog has been talking about a potential Brewpub here in Cleveland for three years now, I just hope it happens!

 

After building there first brewery in the USA in Columbus, they said at that point that Cleveland and Cincinnati would be there next locations.  Now three years later they have brewpubs in Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, and Indianapolis...

 

Looks like BrewDog is moving ahead with the Avian location! 

 

https://planning.clevelandohio.gov/designreview/drcagenda/2021/PDF/DF-DRAC-agenda-04-15-21.pdf

Cool, you can google streetview right into the Avian. I personally hope BrewDog keeps the graffiti. 

 

 

7 hours ago, gg707 said:

Looks like BrewDog is moving ahead with the Avian location! 

 

https://planning.clevelandohio.gov/designreview/drcagenda/2021/PDF/DF-DRAC-agenda-04-15-21.pdf

This is certain to jump start spin off development in the direct vicinity. 

8 hours ago, gg707 said:

Looks like BrewDog is moving ahead with the Avian location! 

 

https://planning.clevelandohio.gov/designreview/drcagenda/2021/PDF/DF-DRAC-agenda-04-15-21.pdf

After reading this update by gg707,

I was doing some more research about Brewdog perhaps locating in Cleveland after the company announced their interest in considering doing that 3 years ago.

 

I found that they are currently considering locations in Las Vegas, Cleveland, and a northern suburb of Columbus.

 

BUT what's funny is that I came across this confusion between Cleveland and Columbus: ...

 

Australia is getting its first beer hotel, and it's ale we ever hopped for:

 

The trailblazing brand already has a craft beer hotel in Cleveland, Ohio — which was named one of TIME magazine’s “Greatest Places on Earth” in 2019 — so beer lovers and Brissy locals alike can be incredibly hoptimistic about what’s to come.

 

https://www.delicious.com.au/travel/travel-news/article/beer-hotel-brisbane-brewdog-open-australias-first-craft-beer-hotel/a7pdpxw6

 

And IF Brewdog does indeed locate on the Scranton Peninsula hopefully, as marty15 already stated, that it will push forward more projects in that area and also perhaps jumpstart the Great Lakes Brewing Project too!!

Edited April 13, 20214 yr by Larry1962
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https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/brewdog-plans-bar-and-restaurant-flats-scranton-peninsula

 

1 hour ago, shakerstldc said:

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/brewdog-plans-bar-and-restaurant-flats-scranton-peninsula

 

"Grant said discussions with developers, particularly apartment developers, have heated up over the past two months."

That's a promising piece of news, not only on the future of Scranton Peninsula, but for apartment development in the whole city. Let's just hope that the next developer puts in more care compared to NRP's apartment proposal.

That's two new breweries officially announced in one day---this one and the one in Lakewood, Immigrant Son. Things are picking up!

The brewpub will cover 10,000 square feet and have what is billed as a “massive outdoor beer garden and outdoor space on the river.” It will be a brewpub only – not a brewery – and open this year.

 

Love this.  Curious to see what the outdoor space looks like!

38 minutes ago, RE Developer In Training said:

Love this.  Curious to see what the outdoor space looks like!

 

Really can't wait to see their vision for the riverfront. 

 

Also while I've been unable to verify this, a friend swears that two years ago she talked the BrewDog folks about locating close by the Towpath. 

 

 

11 hours ago, shakerstldc said:

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/brewdog-plans-bar-and-restaurant-flats-scranton-peninsula

 

Here's Cleveland.com version:

 

Whether it eventually will share reciprocal space with Great Lakes Brewing Co., the state’s first craft brewery, remains a question. Great Lakes bought several acres on the peninsula in 2018 but has not developed the land. Last year, it expanded to a 67,000 square-foot canning facility in Strongsville.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2021/04/brewdog-confirms-cleveland-expansion.html

 

My question is since they are just leasing the first floor (10,000 sq. ft.), will they at some point also lease the second floor for private parties?

 

Or will a hip tech company lease it for offices? 

 

Can you say fringe benefits?

 

LOL

Edited April 14, 20214 yr by Larry1962
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Really excited about this. Their Columbus facility is really nice and the beer is good. Great addition for the city.


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Good to see CLE being added to Brewdog's map--they have locations all over Europe:  https://www.brewdog.com/uk/bar_pages/bar/locator/filter/global

Brewdog news.  https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/whats-going-on-with/scottish-brewery-brewdog-picks-the-avian-on-scranton-peninsula-for-cleveland-location

The Brewdog renovation of the Avian building received approval from the planning commission at the 5-21-21 meeting. I didn't notice it in the plans from their announcement, but they seem to be really taking advantage of the lawn along the river with covered outdoor seating, a playground and a dog park. Having space for families and dogs is really nice for a brewery on the river, and should definitely help bring more people to the peninsula / this part of the flats. 

 

 

I get that the Flats is industrial but a little more cohesion with the outdoor area would be nice. It might just be the rendering, but this layout looks like a scrap yard with all the different types of seating, corrugated pergolas, and shipping containers. That being said, its definitely an interactive and engaging improvement to the area.

^ all i can say is the look of this is a very common tactic to get people used to coming down to an industrial area before it is redeveloped. so i guess don’t think of it as forever.

Pretty significant rezoning just approved by CPC. Hopefully just a first step in the area being developed into a new mixed use neighborhood.

 

Gotta get someone to buy Scranton-Averell's land -- or better yet, buy the whole company. It's a 19th-century relic owned by a bunch of old families and trusts sitting on a gold mine of properties that continue to rot under their ownership.

As Ed McMahon used to say "You are correct sir!"

It would help if their property taxes at all reflected the value of the land instead of the decrepit structures. Some of the parcels pay less property taxes now than in 2003 (as far back the online GIS goes), despite having leased businesses on them. It's absurd.

 

Most of the flats is largely underused industrial space. Besides Scranton, look at the West Bank, and most of Stones Levee area, and south along West 3rd. It's all a wasteland separating the neighborhoods from downtown.

 

Edited June 4, 20214 yr by Mendo

Okay - trying to find out more for my good friend @KJP, but I just went to happy hour (in person again finally) with an old classmate who claims to know an out-of-town developer eyeing Thunderbird for a residential redevelopment. 

 

This is very speculative, but that's obviously what we do here - gossip. Nonetheless, the hope would be to:

 

1. Obtain a MASSIVE zoning variance;

2. Revert to some old street plan that used to be on the peninsula (does anyone know about this?);

3. Build code-driven single family homes, between 2,400 - 4,000 square feet, with no driveways (parking in allies behind homes)

4. The goal would be to attract middle to upper middle class families in the 30-45 year old range that want to live in the city but currently don't see a "safe" alternative (i.e. their mother-in-law thinks Ohio City is a danger zone);

5. And my favorite of all (as some of you know how much I love this development) - Communities like Norton Commons outside of Louisville are what's in mind with the proposal.

 

I have a call in with a friend to make sure this isn't a completely BS rumor - but figured I'd share with the UO fam for now, as even the idea of a holistic development like this has me excited.

Interesting. The street plan reference has me puzzled though. There was a fascinating street layout established 200 years ago for the Columbus Road Peninsula and for the Stone's Levee area as well until big industry took over the Flats after the mid-1800s. But I'm not familiar with an old street layout for Scranton Peninsula. I'll have to do some digging. I've often thought that this would be a great place to complete the Habsburg-inspired street concept for Cleveland -- wide boulevards for the main thoroughfares and intimate settings for the tributaries and alleys.

 

Norton Commons is too Southern for me. I'd prefer something more Old Connecticut (like New Haven's neighborhoods around Yale or the "Yale of the West" (Hudson's Western Reserve Academy) to be built here in New Connecticut. 😉

I don't think you'd want to seek variances--it be much much easier (and appropriate) to do a PUD (planned unit development) for the entire site. FWIW, I'd want to see more density than single family homes--something that is more of a rowhouse/brownstone community. 

Single family homes would be extremely underwhelming after the renderings that Thunderbird was launched with.

The Columbus Road Peninsula below the Canal Basin was planned as "Gravity Place" ca. 1833.

I wonder if this is what the developers had in mind.  Re imagining this same plan on the Scranton Road Peninsula would be an intriguing concept.

https://canalwaypartners.com/gravity-place-in-the-flats/

Text below is a screen grab from the online Encyclopedia of Cleveland History.

 

 

Edited June 9, 20214 yr by ExPatClevGuy

Also, those two peninsulas are like...