January 20, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, mrclifton88 said: Great article from Michelle on everything happening on the peninsula: https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/clevelands-scranton-peninsula-coming-life-after-decades-inactivity Exciting to see things happening but man do those Scranton-Averell people SUCK: As construction fences rise along Carter, it's still unclear what the neighboring land, dotted with warehouses and historic industrial buildings, will become. A representative for Scranton-Averell, the longtime owner of properties to the east and south, did not respond to an interview request. "We have tried everything to bring them into the development plan, and they have been resistant," Geis said, shrugging. I am not a fan of the apartment designs. Very boring and uninspiring. I would have expected better for that location. A missed opportunity for sure.
January 20, 20232 yr Or you could say it’s a big improvement to a long neglected parcel - a big step in the right direction (especially the 1,000 new residents these will bring. ) Edited January 20, 20232 yr by CleveFan
January 20, 20232 yr 23 minutes ago, jbee1982 said: I am not a fan of the apartment designs. Very boring and uninspiring. I would have expected better for that location. A missed opportunity for sure. Agreed. It looks too suburban.
January 20, 20232 yr 45 minutes ago, dwolfi01 said: Wow didn't realize the actual number of units in total. 304 units in the Silverhills development and across the street at the NRP one it's 316. We could see this add close to 1,000 people to the population downtown. Actually, is the Scranton Peninsula considered "downtown"? I'm just thinking about that goal of having 30k people living in downtown Cleveland. Not sure where the boundaries are considered for the downtown cleveland alliance studies No, it is not. See below, it is shown as "Cuyahoga Valley" https://planning.clevelandohio.gov/maps/index.php I've also seen it on some maps as part of Tremont, maybe the neighborhood boundaries were updated? Edited January 20, 20232 yr by Ethan
January 20, 20232 yr I like the use of "Grand Staircase" (watch out Montmartre!) It leads you to surface parking and an exposed parking deck 😆 I swear, majority of developers have totally forgot or just plain ignore how to build actual cities.
January 20, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, CleveFan said: Or you could say it’s a big improvement to a long neglected parcel - a big step in the right direction (especially the 1,000 new residents these will bring. ) LOL, looks like they picked up and moved the Vue from Beachwood. So many of the new complexes have that same look.
January 23, 20232 yr https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/clevelands-scranton-peninsula-coming-life-after-decades-inactivity
January 23, 20232 yr On 1/20/2023 at 11:40 AM, mrclifton88 said: Great article from Michelle on everything happening on the peninsula: https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/clevelands-scranton-peninsula-coming-life-after-decades-inactivity Exciting to see things happening but man do those Scranton-Averell people SUCK: As construction fences rise along Carter, it's still unclear what the neighboring land, dotted with warehouses and historic industrial buildings, will become. A representative for Scranton-Averell, the longtime owner of properties to the east and south, did not respond to an interview request. "We have tried everything to bring them into the development plan, and they have been resistant," Geis said, shrugging. Why do they "suck'? Because they don't want to let others plan for them?
January 23, 20232 yr @E Rocc Because they have sat on this vacant land for decades and refuse to have any conversations about a higher and better use for the property. I believe even Sherwin Williams was interested in possibly keeping their R&D center downtown on this property but they didn't get anywhere. @KJPhas talked about this before I think. To me, they could care less about what is best for downtown and the growth of the city.
January 23, 20232 yr ^ Exactly right. My first choice for the SHW R&D center was as part of the new headquarters but if that wasn't a great location due to some environmental issues then the next best (and maybe even the best) location was that property on the peninsula. Keep the jobs and activity local and maybe really kickstart the next development in the Flats. But no...Scranton Averell was more interested in doing nothing. It's their property sure, and their right but come on... That peninsula is in a strategic location. Developing it properly could lead to a tremendous amount of other development in the area. And that kind of development, tying Tremont to the Flats to downtown is important to the progress the city is trying to make. Just another example of won't do rather than can do that has impeded this city's growth.
January 23, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, mrclifton88 said: @E Rocc Because they have sat on this vacant land for decades and refuse to have any conversations about a higher and better use for the property. I believe even Sherwin Williams was interested in possibly keeping their R&D center downtown on this property but they didn't get anywhere. @KJPhas talked about this before I think. To me, they could care less about what is best for downtown and the growth of the city. Are they maintaining the property as per code, and keeping up with the taxes?
January 23, 20232 yr 26 minutes ago, E Rocc said: Are they maintaining the property as per code, and keeping up with the taxes? My first associate position right out of law school was with a firm that had been their long time legal counsel and also helped collect rents and do bookkeeping. It really was not a sophisticated organization. The properties with which I was familar in the early 80s were dilapidated and barely rentable so they did not get much for them. I recall one time I had to serve a three date notice prior to eviction and was chased by what I could only describe as a junk yard dog. I was thinking three years of higher education down the drain. I believe the son of the partner whose client it was at that firm, which is no longer around, is still repping them. It is a very strange situation. Edited January 23, 20232 yr by Htsguy
January 23, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, E Rocc said: Are they maintaining the property as per code, and keeping up with the taxes? And if they are does that not mean we're not allowed to want something better/interesting/unique done to the property? I see nothing wrong with wishing for improvements that's all. I guess we all can't hope that parking lots get replaced with buildings because the parking lot company paid their taxes? Not trying to start an argument I enjoy the wholesomeness on this site lol. Just merely pointing out that it's ok to want more sometimes and see our city improve!
January 23, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, dwolfi01 said: And if they are does that not mean we're not allowed to want something better/interesting/unique done to the property? I see nothing wrong with wishing for improvements that's all. I guess we all can't hope that parking lots get replaced with buildings because the parking lot company paid their taxes? Not trying to start an argument I enjoy the wholesomeness on this site lol. Just merely pointing out that it's ok to want more sometimes and see our city improve! And it seems like there would be enough deep pockets interested in development that they could make a lot more with development than they are currently.
January 23, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, Foraker said: And it seems like there would be enough deep pockets interested in development that they could make a lot more with development than they are currently. Unless there's something on that property they would rather not see disturbed. They have owned that land for nearly two centuries, they might have some idea. Or they suspect something could go south on the Forest City/Geiss property and are hesitant to commit to changes until they are more comfortable with the new plans. If they are meeting code, their taxes are current, and they are profitable, why should they rock the boat this early? Civic pride? Altruism? Ask Taylor Chair what that got them.
January 23, 20232 yr Or they are just taking a nap like old people do. Hell, they probably forgot they even own the property.
January 25, 20232 yr On 1/23/2023 at 3:46 PM, E Rocc said: Unless there's something on that property they would rather not see disturbed. They have owned that land for nearly two centuries, they might have some idea. Or they suspect something could go south on the Forest City/Geiss property and are hesitant to commit to changes until they are more comfortable with the new plans. If they are meeting code, their taxes are current, and they are profitable, why should they rock the boat this early? Civic pride? Altruism? Ask Taylor Chair what that got them. i bet even the hint of a threat from city hall — via eminent domain or some kind of abandonment property tax or whatver — would get averill to sell immediately. because quite obviously its been long held for tax writeoff purposes and is otherwise not important to them. in general, especially in a city like cleveland, rezoning, eminent domain and taxation pressures to promote redevelopment could be used more vigerously by city hall.
January 25, 20232 yr 11 minutes ago, mrnyc said: i bet even the hint of a threat from city hall — via eminent domain or some kind of abandonment property tax or whatver — would get averill to sell immediately. because quite obviously its been long held for tax writeoff purposes and is otherwise not important to them. in general, especially in a city like cleveland, rezoning, eminent domain and taxation pressures to promote redevelopment could be used more vigerously by city hall. That could be a case where Kelo would finally get overturned.
January 25, 20232 yr 5 hours ago, E Rocc said: That could be a case where Kelo would finally get overturned. no, because the land is a post industrial brownfield and its a clear and long standing blight. but be careful what you wish for because if it did you won’t get your border wall.
February 16, 20232 yr Drove by yesterday: Massive earthworks and site prep on both sides of Carter for tne two apartment complexes. This covers a significant area.. The brewery plot is cleared and quiet.
March 6, 20232 yr With the site prep underway the cleared lots look massive from the Lorain-Carnegie (3-4-22) From The Rapid
March 6, 20232 yr The crazy part is that even with all of that land, there is still a TON of land on the peninsula which could/should be redeveloped.
March 6, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, Oldmanladyluck said: The crazy part is that even with all of that land, there is still a TON of land on the peninsula which could/should be redeveloped. How much is usable, though?
March 7, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, Agreene said: Meant to send these the other day. Boy what an eyesore this area has been lol. I really never thought I'd see this developed in my lifetime, glad to be wrong. Here's some more visual context from the Crains article: Edited March 7, 20232 yr by surfohio
March 7, 20232 yr 43 minutes ago, surfohio said: Boy what an eyesore this area has been lol. I really never thought I'd see this developed in my lifetime, glad to be wrong. Here's some more visual context from the Crains article: I'm sorry, but I can't help but think those apartments already look dated. Such a lost opportunity to build something great. They might want to also think about cleaning that muddy and gross-looking water.
March 7, 20232 yr Author 5 hours ago, TBideon said: Good grief, how many acres is that? It's hard to get a sense of scale. The entire Thunderbird development is 25 acres, including BrewDog. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 7, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, surfohio said: Boy what an eyesore this area has been lol. I really never thought I'd see this developed in my lifetime, glad to be wrong. Here's some more visual context from the Crains article: Every time I see this picture, I just think "mehhhh". Grateful it is being developed and hope it feels awesome when walking around there.
March 7, 20232 yr I think this looks really good. Love the amount of river frontage it takes. Red brick, balconies, trees, boardwalk. It’s a great start.
March 7, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, jbee1982 said: I'm sorry, but I can't help but think those apartments already look dated. Such a lost opportunity to build something great. They might want to also think about cleaning that muddy and gross-looking water. The water gets muddy due to sediment run-off after storms- there’s not much anyone can do unless the region decides collectively to address the run-off caused by impervious surfaces. And if you think the water is muddy and gross now… we’re a long way from what it was before the last major river fire. But back to the Peninsula… the developments happening now will do a ton in transforming the City’s image. Plenty of aerial shots from above during nationally televised events will showcase the turnaround to everyone across the country. Edited March 7, 20232 yr by Oldmanladyluck
March 7, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, marty15 said: I think this looks really good. Love the amount of river frontage it takes. Red brick, balconies, trees, boardwalk. It’s a great start. Totally in agreement - it may not be outstanding architecture but, as others have commented before, not everything is going to be. This is still going to make a big and very positive difference on the riverfront on a large parcel. Love the balconies, too. Hey, it’s new residential on the riverfront - absolutely a big step in the right direction.
March 7, 20232 yr Whatever happened to these apartments and park under the bridge? Can't remember which thread it should be in but I believe they were called Apollo.
March 7, 20232 yr Author Type "Apollo" in the search function at the top of the page and hit Enter. I will respond as to its status in that thread. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 10, 20232 yr The Peninsula & Silverhills sites (3-10-22) Really can't overstate how much this view is going to change...
March 31, 20232 yr The first residential building here since likely the pioneer days has gone vertical. NRP has an elevator shaft a couple floors high. Still crazy to see development on Scranton.
March 31, 20232 yr Author I don't think Scranton Peninsula was ever developed with residential, even in the pioneer days. If it was, it may have been only one house for Joel Scranton (1795-1858). He owned a mostly swampy Scranton Peninsula in partnership with James Averill and his son William of Massachusetts. The Averills never moved here. Their descendants continue to own shares in the stick-in-the-mud land-owning company Scranton-Averell (spelling was changed sometime in the past 200 years). Here's a map of Scranton Peninsula from about 1850. The railroad line shown across Scranton Peninsula was still under construction toward Columbus. I wrote about some of that history here: https://neo-trans.blog/2022/10/26/clevelands-first-railroad-is-history/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 11, 20232 yr 4/10/22 Foundation and elevator or stairs progress Is this the Thunderbird development? Or NRP?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
April 11, 20232 yr 22 minutes ago, GREGinPARMA said: Is this the Thunderbird development? Or NRP? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk One in the same no? It’s the apartments by NRP as a part of the thunderbird development/land
April 11, 20232 yr One in the same no? It’s the apartments by NRP as a part of the thunderbird development/land Oh okay, I thought they were two completely different developments.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
April 11, 20232 yr 9 hours ago, BoomerangCleRes said: One in the same no? It’s the apartments by NRP as a part of the thunderbird development/land 7 hours ago, GREGinPARMA said: Oh okay, I thought they were two completely different developments. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk There are two completely different developers and developments. The Silver Hills project is closer to the river and will consist of over 300 apartments. It has been approved but it does not appear as though any real construction has begun. The NRP development is right next to it and more inland. That is the work depicted in the above photos. Edited April 11, 20232 yr by Htsguy
April 11, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Htsguy said: There are two completely different developers and developments. The Silver Hills project is closer to the river and will consist of over 300 apartments. It has been approved but it does not appear as though any real construction has begun. The NRP development is right next to it and more inland. That is the work depicted in the above photos. Thanks for clearing that up. I definitely thought they were two separate developments.
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