April 27, 20232 yr If not used for freight or mass transit, the FIR bridge in the second picture would make an interesting pedestrian crossing.
May 3, 20232 yr Author Building permits being submitted today for "Silver Hills at the Flats" 1960 Carter Rd. I think the address is a little off, based on Google maps. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 10, 20232 yr I know the clearing won’t last long but seeing this land finally shaping up really makes me appreciate the opportunity that these developments and the flats present.
May 24, 20232 yr Author Passed through SP on Sunday evening, site of the old Republic Steel Upson Bolt & Nut Division steel complex. Federal Steel & Wire acquired the plant, shut it down and demolished it for scrap. First, a pic from the late 1970s courtesy of RealStill, looking southerly from near where Carter Road cross the remaining track of the Flats Industrial RR (close to BrewDog). "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 24, 20232 yr Has 1920 Scranton Rd. been demolished yet? I sure hope that building is still up and someone buys it
May 24, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Eastside said: Has 1920 Scranton Rd. been demolished yet? I sure hope that building is still up and someone buys it No, and agree, it needs to be saved.
May 27, 20232 yr The Peninsula and Silverhills developments (5-27-23) (I swear I didn't plan these out... just got lucky with timing 🤷♂️)
May 27, 20232 yr I'm still suprised they went with a completely off the wall design on that water tower in Ohio City. There's obviously better options they could go with:
May 28, 20232 yr Author I think I see @MayDay! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 28, 20232 yr Not sure if it's because this is a photo angle we don't usually see on other projects, but I've never noticed a black surface at the base of a site like this. I wonder if it is some sort of membrane or vapor barrier being used due to the contaminated history of the site.
May 28, 20232 yr I noticed that also. Looks like some sort of vapor barrier. I also noticed the 55 gallon drums on the right-hand side. I assume those are used for potentially hazardous soils materials.
May 28, 20232 yr 10 hours ago, KJP said: I think I see @MayDay! Yep! Top deck (always the top deck) far right corner. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
June 9, 20232 yr Scranton Peninsula update (6-9-23) - work on the Silverhills development seems to be speeding up
June 10, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, sonisharri said: Scranton Peninsula update (6-9-23) - work on the Silverhills development seems to be speeding up So is that the NRP development immediately northwest of it? Owners of Brewdog must be ecstatic watching this go up
June 10, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, GREGinPARMA said: So is that the NRP development immediately northwest of it? Sorry should’ve clarified Silverhills is the one to the NW which seems to be making much more progress compared to a small pile of dirt just a couple weeks ago. But the NRP project also happens to be making good progress with concrete pouring already. Edited June 10, 20232 yr by sonisharri
June 10, 20232 yr Author I have a NEOtrans video in the works about Scranton Peninsula. We hired V1 Drone Media to do some overhead video of the development sites. I learned a lot about the work they're doing, including a new retaining wall along the NRP site and the curving portion of the railroad tracks as well as a bulkhead to support Carter Road, between the road and Silverhills' site. It's very cool and I can't wait to see the final video once it all gets stitched together. It will be posted on our YouTube channel. Subscriptions are welcome! https://www.youtube.com/@NEOtransblog "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 14, 20232 yr Author Check out the fresh drone video we commissioned of the site, too! Scranton Peninsula then and now https://neo-trans.blog/2023/06/13/scranton-peninsula-then-and-now/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 14, 20232 yr @KJPDo you know if any developers ever offered or tried to negotiate a land lease with the owners of the remaining majority of the land on the peninsula? If the owners want to hold on to it, besides an outright purchase (which they’re not willing to do) a land lease would be the next best thing. They get to keep the land, while the land gets developed and benefits the city.
June 14, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: Check out the fresh drone video we commissioned of the site, too! Scranton Peninsula then and now https://neo-trans.blog/2023/06/13/scranton-peninsula-then-and-now/ Great job Ken!
June 14, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: Check out the fresh drone video we commissioned of the site, too! Nicely done! The narrator's voice sounds familiar, but I can't figure out where I've heard it before.
June 14, 20232 yr Author 2 hours ago, JohnSummit said: Nicely done! The narrator's voice sounds familiar, but I can't figure out where I've heard it before. It be me. I hate doing narration. I suck at it because I sound like I'm reading. We had to break up the reading into three sections and the last section took me eight takes, and I increasingly didn't care how bad it sounded. I don't read out loud very well. But the boss thinks I have a good radio voice (hopefully not a radio face) so she's encouraging me to keep at it. Now she's got me doing walking tours of downtown for new arrivals to Cleveland. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 15, 20232 yr Thanks, Ken - Fantastic views of the Peninsula - and makes it clear that Scranton might really boom over the coming years - I hope these initial apartment projects turn out optimally. The whole look there is about to change in a very modern, urban way. A whole neighborhood eventually down there would be really amazing... Hopefully, those that are planning the area's development will have high standards...
June 15, 20232 yr 22 hours ago, KJP said: But the boss thinks I have a good radio voice (hopefully not a radio face) so she's encouraging me to keep at it. Now she's got me doing walking tours of downtown for new arrivals Agree with your boss too. @KJPGreat narration. As a general practice, agreeing with the boss in most matters seems to be a good life strategy.
June 15, 20232 yr 22 hours ago, KJP said: It be me. I hate doing narration. I suck at it because I sound like I'm reading. We had to break up the reading into three sections and the last section took me eight takes, and I increasingly didn't care how bad it sounded. I don't read out loud very well. But the boss thinks I have a good radio voice (hopefully not a radio face) so she's encouraging me to keep at it. Now she's got me doing walking tours of downtown for new arrivals to Cleveland. It sounds great! And somehow I had no idea that “Scranton” was named after a guy
June 15, 20232 yr Hey Ken, l don't know about the "face" for radio but you do sound like a much younger man lol.
June 15, 20232 yr On 6/14/2023 at 8:12 AM, KJP said: Check out the fresh drone video we commissioned of the site, too! Scranton Peninsula then and now https://neo-trans.blog/2023/06/13/scranton-peninsula-then-and-now/ Unsolicited pitch--I encourage everyone to subscribe to NEOTrans! I finally did so a couple weeks ago with @KJP's write up on bringing Amtrak into Tower City. Ken is more than a local journalist and blogger--he provides a valuable service to this community, laying out visions that our leaders don't have the time, resources or wherewithal to put forth.
June 15, 20232 yr Author 39 minutes ago, Cleveland said: Have there been any plans to reactivate the Eagle Avenue Bridge? Not that I've seen. Thanks to all for your compliments. Especially the part about sounding like a younger man! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 19, 20231 yr On 6/14/2023 at 9:16 AM, KJP said: It be me. I hate doing narration. I suck at it because I sound like I'm reading. We had to break up the reading into three sections and the last section took me eight takes, and I increasingly didn't care how bad it sounded. I don't read out loud very well. But the boss thinks I have a good radio voice (hopefully not a radio face) so she's encouraging me to keep at it. Now she's got me doing walking tours of downtown for new arrivals to Cleveland. I agree with your boss, keep at it and hone it. Good radio voice
June 22, 20231 yr On 6/15/2023 at 1:15 PM, KJP said: Not that I've seen. Thanks to all for your compliments. Especially the part about sounding like a younger man! I feel like all these developers are just staring at each other waiting for the other to do something about Eagle Ave. bridge. They need to realize getting it back online will benefit everyone. The city and county need to get together and get everyone down there to chip in.
June 22, 20231 yr Author 40 minutes ago, Mogradal said: I feel like all these developers are just staring at each other waiting for the other to do something about Eagle Ave. bridge. They need to realize getting it back online will benefit everyone. The city and county need to get together and get everyone down there to chip in. The Eagle Avenue lift bridge, assuming it is ever restored, will be a major endeavor. The city will be the responsible and will have to go through a ton of permitting from the Army Corps of Engineers, Coast Guard, Dept. of the Interior and who knows who else before construction can start. And that assumes the city can find the money. Rehabbing the Columbus Road lift bridge was a $32 million project. Eagle has been closed since 2004 because a structural support column failed inspection. So its lift span raised and locked. Not knowing how much of the existing Eagle Avenue bridge towers or span are salvageable, I'd have to assume the entire thing needs to be demolished and start new. That's especially true at the east end which had the gradual ramp approaching the bridge. Now, Eagle east of the bridge is going to be restored but with a steeper ramp. The lift bridge's tower on the east side of the river accepts the approach at a higher elevation than the west side of the river. I'd guess that a new Eagle Avenue lift bridge is probably a $50 million to $75 million project. I did some Google searches and found that the city has the bridge as an active project that's now in an alternatives analysis. The city is favoring demolition of the bridge but has other options available -- stabilizing the existing structure, removal/relocation, or replacing the historic bridge. You can submit your public input here by July 14: https://publicinput.com/g8483 I found in the NOACA's draft TIP that the city wants to spend $2,928,499 to demolish the Eagle Avenue bridge over the river. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 23, 20231 yr Would a lift bridge like the one in Lorain over the Black River be cheaper and easier to build?
June 23, 20231 yr We need a bridge. Otherwise, it will feel like I did in the 80's when I was at Sea World and looking over the water at Geauga Lake and wishing there was an easy way to get over there to where all the excitement was happening. But, in all seriousness, there needs to be an easy way to cross the river. The long-term success of Scranton may hinge on it.
June 23, 20231 yr Hard to say. I did some googling as well. The current bridge was built in 1931, and most recently renovated in 1991. These things were built to stand the test of time. It may be salvageable, especially since it hasn't had the ravages of road salt for the past 20 years. Also, most of these lift bridges use the counterweights to lift the bridge. The electric motors actually pull the weights down to lower the span. I wouldn't be surprised if the motors are still intact that they don't still work. It may take some re-cabling etc to bring it into safety compliance. Certainly worth an effort to try to save this historic structure. EDIT: I just watched the city presentation video and it appears the structure is much worse than I hoped. I would still vote to save it though. These things get done in Europe. Not so much here.
June 23, 20231 yr would it be way cheaper to put in a pedestrian bridge in its place instead of a full blown traffic bridge? much easier for a car to make the extra half mile to the next bridge instead of bikes/peds
June 23, 20231 yr Author Eagle Avenue lift bridge to be demolished By Ken Prendergast / June 23, 2023 According to public records, the city of Cleveland is seeking to demolish the Eagle Avenue lift bridge over the Cuyahoga River as early as next year. There are no plans to replace the city-owned bridge which links a rapidly developing Scranton Peninsula in the Flats with downtown’s Gateway District and its venues for the Cleveland Guardians and Cleveland Cavaliers. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/06/23/eagle-avenue-lift-bridge-to-be-demolished/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 23, 20231 yr Man, that's tough. Those bridges in the Flats scream Cleveland but finding the cash to keep them operating of even to just maintain them is really difficult. So many hands out for public works. Even so, we have to find a way to get people in and out of those peninsulas or doom them to insignificance.
June 24, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, cadmen said: Man, that's tough. Those bridges in the Flats scream Cleveland but finding the cash to keep them operating of even to just maintain them is really difficult. So many hands out for public works. Even so, we have to find a way to get people in and out of those peninsulas or doom them to insignificance. With all the new Federal infrastructure money out there now, have they even tried to tap that? I’m guessing no. The demolition lobby in this town is a monster. It’s not even hurting anything just as is. Put some friggin lights on it or something. Nope, hit the erase history with no plan to put anything in its place button. Just stupid.
June 24, 20231 yr Not to change the subject, but I find it kind of frustrating that 2005 until the present covers all four terms of the Jackson Administration. Unless there was a previous plan to replace it completely, this was a failure to at least upkeep the bridge.
June 24, 20231 yr Author 2 hours ago, Oldmanladyluck said: Not to change the subject, but I find it kind of frustrating that 2005 until the present covers all four terms of the Jackson Administration. Unless there was a previous plan to replace it completely, this was a failure to at least upkeep the bridge. That lack of maintenance reportedly has made the bridge unstable and, if the bridge isn't removed or stabilized (at the prices shown), the bridge will eventually fall on its own. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 24, 20231 yr If we get a perfectly competent, nondescript draw bridge (ala Chicago river in Chi Town) to replace it, that would be acceptable. Otherwise it's a tragedy.
June 25, 20231 yr A new, welcoming (beautiful, too, please) pedestrian bridge would really be a winning scenario....
June 25, 20231 yr 36 minutes ago, CleveFan said: A new, welcoming (beautiful, too, please) pedestrian bridge would really be a winning scenario.... Hopefully the Flats Ind. Railroad bridge can become that, before we decide that needs destroyed too.
June 25, 20231 yr 6 hours ago, CleveFan said: A new, welcoming (beautiful, too, please) pedestrian bridge would really be a winning scenario.... I don't see any scenario in the city of Cleveland where a pedestrian only bridge with the necessary 100' vertical clearance, or moveable with a 24/7 operator, is built. Plus in this case it doesn't make sense. Scranton is likely going to be booming in 10 years. It will need the additional vehicle access.
June 27, 20231 yr ^ if that comes true then it seems lift bridges arent going away. a modern version would be interesting to see. are there any examples of modern versions? when i looked all i found was this one below — and most of the rest that came up were cleveland’s lol. stoneferry lift bridge, uk — b.1990
June 27, 20231 yr 58 minutes ago, mrnyc said: ^ if that comes true then it seems lift bridges arent going away. a modern version would be interesting to see. are there any examples of modern versions? when i looked all i found was this one below — and most of the rest that came up were cleveland’s lol. stoneferry lift bridge, uk — b.1990 Man, that's a bridge only a mother could love.
June 27, 20231 yr 2 minutes ago, Ineffable_Matt said: Man, that's a bridge only a mother could love. It does look like something you'd find in Europe, which isn't a bad thing.
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